The Nature of Android 17 

22 years ago when I was first watching the Cell saga, I never would've imagined that this random guy would become the ultimate savior of the multiverse.

17 is honestly the only character that I think looks better in the super art style

Honestly, I feel like 17 didn't initially love nature, but he slowly grew to love nature because of his relationship with 16

A character that went from simply "that guy who tags along with 18 and got absorbed by Cell" to someone who can stand on his own and become one of my favorite characters

17 and 18 being orphans makes sense for Gero's plan. If he needs to experiment on people, he would go for someone who's homeless and has no family to report their dissapearance. Since they were allegedly delinquents (probably just to survive though), Gero might have rationaized his actions by claiming these were people no one would miss....dark

I’ve always interpreted 17’s decision in becoming a Ranger as a nod to him trying to show his care for 16, it’s actually amazing how much foreshadowing was packed into his future decisions

If you told me like 20 years ago that Android 17 would enter a Multiverse Tournament, end up as the winner, and wish back everyone that was erased; I would have laughed in your face. Yet, here we are, and they took a character that I already liked and made him better.

Fully agree, 17 had so many opportunities to kiII it's very clear he goes out of his way to avoid it. For example when the police tries to arrest them. 0 casualties. Which at this point is EXTREMELY untypical for DBZ villains. Most of them feature an intense disregard for life to the point of casually offing people for pure boredom. He even stretched out the kiII Goku brainwashing. Every other villain with his intellect would have just broken into a TV station(leaving a trail of body parts). And just asked Goku to come to him so fewer people have to die for crossing his path in search of Goku.

This why i love 17,he and Krillin and 18 represent what humans can be if given the chance and that he's a badass,and also i would not mind helping him out from time to time.

17 & 18 needs a movie about them honestly. Im more interested in their background and power potential then goku and vegeta. Imagine if 17 & 18 trained with whis non stop for years. The amount of power and potential is limitless.

The amount of insight this gives...honestly it just gives you more reason to love his character. Some people just know how to make you see things in a different perspective and I love it

16 died but his spirit clearly remained with 17

17 interrupting the Magical Girl sequence of the Universe 2 girls will live on in my head as one of Super's best moments.

Something that I also noticed about his sacrifice is what vegeta says after the explosion "he must've intended to sacrifice himself in the very beginning." And yet after 17 revealed to be alive he says that it was a complete gamble that he wasn't sure he would even survive. It actually seems like 17 was fully intending on the explosion, killing him, even though he himself wasn't actually sure he would die or not He knew that if he actually didn't end up surviving that there mightve been a chance of the universe getting erased because his team might lose to jiren He had complete trust and faith in them to do so despite knowing the risk and did so anyway all for the sole purpose in that it just made him feel more human It sounds selfish but not only did he avoid doing so for the whole tournament before that point but he also did so in order to protect his teammates He is one of the most selfless, caring, and most importantly human characters in the entire franchise They could not have done a better job with him in the anime if they tried and I hope toei uses him more often

15:00 You mentioned the “tragic childhoods” of Goku and Android 17 here but I think if you posted a clip of Goku and his loss of Grandpa Gohan it would’ve hit a lot harder.

A nice retrospective look at Android 17 and the humanity that he still has. For the record, I don't think that the super dragonballs were the reason 17 entered the tournament of power, despite claiming that he would use the wish to get an expensive yacht for his family. When Goku brought up the super dragonballs initially, 17 still refused to join. I think Goku helping 17 to save the endangered animal was enough to convince 17 to compete, coupled with how similar 17 and Goku are. Although I think Goku's more humble than 17 as one of their core differences.

It’s poetic really. That in the end he displayed the ultimate defiance towards the rule of the ultimate authority.

It's funny cause looking back on when I first saw him on the show, 17 wasn't necessarily a character I was interested in, but when he and Piccolo temporarily teamed up against Cell, I liked the respect they were showing for each other. That was the point when I started thinking maybe he could be a cool hero. When they met again before the ToP, I know that moment was fan service, but it was appreciated. Seeing these two together and still showing each other respect was epic.

Thank you for the effort and passion you put into your work on this platform! I don't know how long you've actually been doing stuff like this, but the quality of your content is already top notch. Keep up the great work man, and thank you again!

For awhile now I really started liking 17 but this video just made me like him even more lol

This content is so in depth yt with so many dbz channels yours is shining far above them all the community needed your channel!

A17 easily has one the best re-introduction in DBS. Edit: Just watched the video and I can't believe I have begun to like him even more because of his morality and nature.

Great video! Your dragon ball content is so fresh compared to other RU-vid creators. You dig for details that no other actually addresses.

Notice this trope about Androids: they live playing games. 1. In the future timeline, Androids 17 & 18 were killing people for a game. 17 shouts "Haha! I get 10 points for every human I hit!" 2. Vegeta mocks Android 19 by saying "You're the one who started this game, & now you don't want to play anymore?" 3. When Dr Gero reaches his lab, he says "Hahaha! It seems I have won this little race!" 4. Androids 16, 17 & 18 wanted to hunt down Goku as a "game" 5. The ultimate Android Cell made a literal game called The Cell Games 6. In GT SSJ4 Goku mocks Super 17 when he had him in a chokehold and said "What's the matter? You only want to play the game if you're winning?"

Thanks for making a video for Android 17! He's the coolest character in db universe and he's super underrated i wish he was in the super hero movie he deserved a spot! i was so disappointed

Damn son that’s a bang up job you did there. It’s good to see 17 get some lime light as well - he is definitely an interesting character

This was such an interesting dive into A-17. I has't realized many of your points, but they make perfect sense now that I know them.

Thank you for making this. 17 has been such a cool character to add to the tournament of power.

17 has always been my favorite character ever since he first came on screen 17 has been my favorite DBZ character for 22 years crazy

This is just a fantastic character analysis, thank you for that. This seems like it took a lot of work and mulling over material. I hope you become one of the greats in the dragon ball content sphere, because this kind of stuff is quality.

Man! I just subbed after watching this amazing video! 17 is my favorite dragon ball character period! How you described him I've never seen another RU-vidr do and that's no shot to them I enjoy their content too but this video almost made a grown man cry watching my favorite get the recognition he deserves. I play as 17 on an rpgmmo game called dcuo (DC universe online) I am thee 17 on there even does his voice and mannerisms... Yeah I get into character on there lol... But definitely love his character. So thank you for uploading this beauty of a video. Shouts out to 16 and 18 as well 😊... But thank you again champ keep um coming.

Really enjoyed this. =) The script, the editing and music was also spot on. Keep makin more!

7:40 I think this is an interesting view with a good bit of validity but I think it also attributes a bit of moral righteousness that's probably not there, he might not have killing Goku as his intention but he would probably be fine and isn't going to avoid so to win, a natural byproduct of his goal that happens when you aren't trying to spare your enemies like the good guys.

One question, what caused 17 and 18 to go on a destruction rampage in the Trunks timeline? Seems they killed a lot of people in that bad future.

Discovered your channel with your Zamasu video today ( awesome btw ) and it's a good welcoming surprise, even I as a die hard Dragon ball fan learned a few things and discovered some traits of his personality, which I didn't pay attention in the first place It's really great to see in depth character analysis, keep the work up man

I just absolutely LOVE that my favorite DBZ character got so much attention and spotlight in DragonBall Super! It was just so unexpected, but very exciting. I the really liked the Super 17 saga in GT as well, although it was quite short compared to all the other main villains (Baby got so much screen time during his arc that it made legit sick of the character).

I do really love how some of these characters have been given enough life that they are kind of their own thing. Really good stuff IMO.

While he isnt my favorite i do love him. The idea of a character going through hell and refusing to change there morals no matter what is always a cool thing. He didnt care what the world threw at him from years of turtore to the whole world wanting to kill him

this is the best dragon ball related video I have ever seen! I love your style of editing and writing so much!

Just finished Super last week as I stopped watching DBZ back in high school. I picked up the series after Frieza saga, and 17 was always my favorite character on the show. What a surprise Super ended up being, finding out this weird android guy I thought was so cool from back in Z ended up being debatably the savior of Universe 7. Very cool.

AYYY that intro was clean!!!

Great analysis and presentation. The only criticism I would offer is that I would have loved to see more insight from the source materials and not just the dub interpretation. But awesome, nonetheless. 17 was one of the best parts of Super for me and I'm glad they took the opportunity to develop his character beyond what we got in Z 🙌🏼

From selfish to selfless. You love to see it 15:34 I love him, dear god...

I still remember when Goku went looking for 17 to join the tournament. There wasn't anyone I was more excited to see...

As someone whose favorite character is Android 17, this video is an absolute TREAT.

another beautiful (and beautifully written) masterpiece!

The eyeliner they gave 18 during the TOP made me act up

your videos are super underated, I just know you WILL get it big soon, trust me.

I really enjoyed seeing the androids “play the villain” as it were against the magical girls. They really hammed it up.

17.. should have been a Kai. He's the answer to Zamasu's madness imo.

A good question would be why they turned out to be so evil in trunks timeline

Loving your videos!

I always liked the Android trio and In all my time watching Dragonball I was sad to never see 17 again. I had stopped watching at GT. Makes you wonder what happened to cause them to turn evil in trucks timeline

You either protect the earth or become the fertelizer that feeds it - Android 17

Love this so much! Can you Do a video about 18 also?

17:47 This line was very great

Brilliant video, great summary of one of my favourite Dragonball characters and yes he and Goku can be very much alike!

New subscriber after watching the Zamazu video. This channel deserves a lot more attention👍 I really want to see videos on angels, especially Whis, Vados and Mohito

Android 17 is and will always be my favorite story arc!

GOAT Video

ANDROID 17 in Z: a minor antagonist & pure evil in the future timeline ANDROID 17 in GT: a major enemy in GT who was forced to fuse with his machine mutant counterpart Hell Fighter 17 to become Super 17. ANDROID 17 in SUPER: the winner of the Tournament of Power & savior of many universes

Very very good video! Thank you!

Awesome video! Subscribing 😎

I also think 16 had some influnce on 17's love for nature

When i first clicked on this video i didnt realize how good this video would be, ill definitely subcribe after this. Keep it up

Dude… you’re right. 17 never wanted to kill Goku. The Z fighters over reacted and instead of working with 17 and 18 to defeat cell they tried to “stop” them and allowed Cell to become complete. Their irrational assumptions almost got them all killed. Had Goku been alive, Cell would have died at imperfect

I would have loved dragon ball super heroes being a movie about 17 and 18. It could be 17 and 18 vs gamma 1 and 2 while cell vs gohan and piccolo. OR 17 and 18 vs cell. This would be dope because it would be an emotional fight because of cell absorbing them.

Fantastic video. 17 is definitely that guy

We all know 17 was the MVP of super. Im glad he does show up from time to time on the manga afterwards.

The fact that this is a passion project is crazy

17s banger of a theme song is probably my favorite on the super soundtrack

17 mvp of tournament of power fr fr

Great video.

I cant not get the DBZA voice of Android 17 out of my head. Also your videos are amazing. Also do i hear 5!!!

Ive always loved the trope of taking the fight to a location that will minimize collateral damage, i find it funny considering collateral damage is a huge issue in superhero media.

I would like to mention that 17 is very grateful to Krillin for bringing him and his sister back. Well at least in the manga and hints in super.

great vid:) learned a good deal i didnt pick up on

This wasa very good analysis of the character

17 my favorite db character thanks

Ye, 17 is one of the best characters. That's why it's all the more horrific that dr. Gero twists his and 18's personalities in Trunks' future, turning them into actually heartless machines.

Somewhere in there young Lapis was still there all along. He was changed to a degree no doubt power corrupts afterall, and he was a delinquent. There still a playfulness about him when he fights or causes chaos. He's down to scrap, but unlike Frieza or Cell he doesnt enjoy needlessly torturing people, he just wants to win. But somewhere inside there is a sadness that he wears a mask over, he doesn't want to be a villain. I think even in the Future timeline everything probably got sent into chaos by Gero as well who in his Android form in his own right, was capable of extreme destruction. Even good people can turn bad if its the end of the world, and 17 and 18 probably mentally broke in that timeline forcing them to adapt to a post apocalyptic world. We assume that was all the Androids fault but its also possible that Frieza and King Cold caused major chaos before they were killed as well.

17 is definitely the MVP.

thanks for sharing

Thank you for pointing out the proper terms used by the characters. 倒す ( _taosu_ ) to beat, to defeat ≠ 殺す ( _korosu_ ) to kill

THATS WHY HES THE GOATTT! THE GOATTTT

Great video. I've always wondered why the 17 in Trunks timeline were so evil

Get this man More Subs!!!

16: Protect the birrrrrrds! 17: Sure man, I'll look after the birds.... 16: Save the multiverse there are birds there too. 17: Gotcha big guy... 18: Talking to 16? 17: Yep.

I really enjoyed this video

One of the best GOAT

Great Video, alternative title The Tao of Android 17

video: 'to truly understand android 17....' me: "... you need to watch dragonball abridged'

Super was hit or miss but bringing back 17 was what I always wanted. I love the Saiyans but give the Namekians and Humans more spotlight please.

I found out that the VA for Yuichi Tachibana from Initial D voices this android 17. Both sound just like each other, and It's kinda wierd hearing the voice of a 42 year who owns a gas station coming out of this robot.

that was beautiful

17 vs 18 one of my favourite dragon ball fights

I just finished Kai again nd i really like 17s character in this jawn

Android 17 is a bad ass, one of my favorite

My favorite character. loved the "Allegedly cold and unloving fists!" joke with universe 2

17 is what most people should strive to be with the conviction to protect what's theirs. Leave others alone and things will be chill