Injury prone players are always going to break down and be injured. Unless you recommend every year is a perfect lebron/Antony Davis shortened bubble Disney year, you're gonna have people out whether the 65 minimum is there or not. Availability is the best ability. Reward guys that show up night in and night out. A consumer first league is a league which makes more money, and the players are paid more as a result.
@@starplatinum6930 that chip obviously hurt you to bring it up 4 years later, what glazing are talking about? Lakers have nothing to do with this AD & Bron are playing
Giannis was injured during the first round of last years playoffs. And Embiid and Zion get injured every year. Not sure if the new rules can be blamed for the injuries, a lot of these guys were getting hurt before the rule change.
@@peyj7977 nope the players can easely play bad in the season qndo don't get injured, but most of the injures are not for playing game it was for an assident
@peyj7977 explain how the player choosing to come back from injury early is not the players fault. If they are still injured, they should sit until healthy. Players choosing to come back early is their decision, not the teams or the leagues.
@@chaoticc00k1e4 that doesn't matter. The league is encouraging players to play through injuries, potentially causing greater physical harm and early retirement for the entertainment of your bum ass. The players will always want to play and get awards while sacrificing their long term health. The league needs to discourage that to avoid situations like what Embiid is going through.
you wrong bruh. They don't care about all NBA, MVP, DPOY... they care only about money. How come non of the players cares about the All Star Game? Guess what? NO MONEY!
Acting like James Harden didn't whine for 3 whole years about not getting an MVP lmao. Players at the highest level definitely care about these awards, even the ones that don't do because it directly ties to money
i think the rule is also good bc it emphasizes how valuable availability is. if youre scoring 20 ppg but can’t play more than 50 games…you may arguably be less valuable to a team than a player scoring less but available for 70-80
Imagine an era of "elite" athletes that are significantly better than their past iteration..... That has a problem with actually going to work and that leading to injuries to top stars
NBA players play 70+ games in the regular season on extremely fast pace. In the 90s and 00s players played slower basketball which will let to less millage on their body i think. But with that said load management literally does not prevent injuries at all look at Kawhi Leonard the guy literally had his most healthy regular season since 2017 after they removed load management. Ad is another good example he is the most fit he has been since 2018.
@@hunterwade9030 True but that is also just highlights the vast majority of teams were not as physical as the pistons. Also getting a mans arm on your body and getting pushed is not gonna lead to injuries in general. But getting a lot of milage on your body for 70+ games will.
What about the 1980s? That had an even faster pace than today. 1960s had the highest pace of them all, but idk enough about that time period to know if it was extremely injury prone + that could be a result of shitty medicine
Stop it.. it separates the men from the boys. If you can have NFL players play on a Sunday and then turn around and play on a Thursday ...these NBA players who are soft-ass can be can play back to backs.
@@AidenAndAleiaTV NFL players brains are turned to mush and they have chronic pain for the rest of their life. Not sure we should use them as a baseline
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 players in the 80s careers lasted way shorter on average. I rather no back to back games and longer careers. But maybe I’m just soft.
Back to backs aren't really the problem coz it's just another workout to them. But it's more the number of total games played that's too much. A lot of these 82 games are insignificant and are just wasted compared to a 50 game season where every game matters more. Would benefit the players body and make the league more entertaining
Chet has played 82 games and is still going strong. Mikal Bridges hasn't missed a single game in five seasons. Load management is a fallacy..... players should always be striving towards 82 game seasons.
It’ll never happen because of money but I wish there were just 58 games in the season, where you play the other 29 teams at home & away. That way you could have a 45 game minimum requirement so players are still playing, and less wear & tear
@@mr.longjohn0014 and also, having 58 games in the regular season would make those 58 games much more important to win. Every game would matter more given there’s 24 less of them
Definitely an interesting concept. I know they had said they were in talks of making it 70 and then making the minimum 55 games wouldn’t be bad either at least to start trimming the length of the season
Doesn't matter if you load management or not, if a guy falls on your ankles, you're gonna have a higher chance of getting hurt. I could argue that resting is less beneficial because you're not actually in game shape and are more prone to getting injured.
It's almost always the same guys injured every year. You can't blame that on the 65-game rule. Giannis has now missed games in 4 of the last 5 playoffs, Embiid has only played every possible game in a playoff run once when he got swept in the 1st round. Zion hasn't even played a playoff game yet. Back then, CP3 could barely finish a playoff run without getting injured
I wonder if this pace and space style of the NBA has caused injuries to become more prominent. You go back 10 years, and I think the average number of games played was between 65-70. Last season was the lowest we’d ever seen. Pace of play has shot through roof during that time too. The constant running up-and-down, the jumping, bodying, constantly exploding off one leg etc has got to have some sort of effect on players. Sure you can make the point that having a jump shot saves you from this issue, but even rules were made to prevent guys from getting injured on those. A slower style of play might be the answer to at least some of these injuries.
What rule changes do you think made the game faster? Coz even though the game is faster it's not that much faster only a little so I don't see how that's a good indication of injuries. I think it's more so social media is making injuries to superstars more well known compared to past
I think it could be players need to be acclimated. Players in previous seasons where load management didn't really exist didn't feel any more injury prone than now. They need to balance load management games and seriously consider when to come back
Nah, it's a combination of the mileage of newer players plus the extremely fast pace and remember 10 to 20 year NBA careers are not common in general much less in the modern age And you must remember, no matter the era, they have to be in their physical peak every single game which ages their body significantly before they even reach the pros.
That is not a new rule thing. 76ers medical staff is negligent at best, this is not the first time Embiid or other player plays injured, ask Ben Simmons. Everyone else is just teams wanting to avoid been the Play-in team (pacers) and some were freak injuries (Miami) or in the case of Giannis it was at team desperate to have some chemistry and overplaying him.
The reason why a lot of players are getting hurt is because they don’t do anything else but play basketball and I get it that is their job but you have to do different types of training or you’re gonna wear down your body over the years and you can continuously get hurt edit: they don’t get into the weight room enough to keep that strength
The problem is the nba doesn’t care about the player’s health. The care about them not playing on national games. But as we see it’s already hurting the product. This was slated to be the best playoffs in years but now the first round has become lackluster
money shouldn't be involved in the awards not just because of injury ... why wouldn't a team like the wizards be able to sign a washed up curry at age 41 or after a decade of failure and give him 1yr / 70mil+? him playing 10 min and hitting 2 3s a game would put butts in seats and make everybody watch them just cuz of nostalgia
Imo, everytime there’s a weird season as far as games played, there are more injuries. Recently, 2021 was the first full year after Covid where the offseason was slightly shortened and those playoffs had a ton of injuries. After the lockout with the shortened season again a ton of injuries. But after an injury year, there always seemed to be a bounce back to normal amount of injuries. Just kind of how it goes when your body is expected to be at such a high level despite Father Time, slight changes to your schedule and impact cause injuries til you settle into it
They need to remove the contract incentives. Unfortunately, we will no longer see the contract merchants who turn up during their contract year's regular season and ride the bench the following season.
Damn Tucker. You took forever to get to the f***in point! But once you finally did, I agree with what you said. Next CBA. Just take out contractual incentives based off personal achievements. And everybody is happy. Well, Joel probably would still get injured coming back to early trying to win another scoring title or MVP. Lol. But yes. 65 game minimum, is a success.
The season can be shortened to 67 games easy. How? First, get rid of the east and west conferences, especially for playoff seeding. Second, have 3 divisions strictly for regular season schedules. West, Central, and East, 10 teams in each division. In each division, each team plays each other 3 times, while teams outside their division play twice. Do the math, say you're the Lakers, you play 9 other western division teams 27 times, 10 central division teams 20 times, and 10 east division teams 20 times = 67 games. The 82 game season is essentially over. The only reason it's still 82 game is simply for more total revenue, nothing else. 67 game season with a 50 or maybe even 60 game requirement for regular season awards would work great. This would maintain the integrity of the game along with a 1-16 seed playoff bracket that can introduce infinitely more rivalries than what? A Heat Celtics "rivalry"? Or Nuggets Lakers? LOL. Anyways, I hope y'all like my NBA pipe dream, I mainly just wanted to type it out fr to see if it makes sense and reading this back over it makes even more sense except for certain peoples wallets. Oh well. I also forgot to mention this would entirely get rid of back to back games, for a cherry on top. The only issue i can think of with this is since it's an odd amount of games because of the inner divisions 27 played games, it would mean there would be 33 home games and 34 road games, or the other way around. How much this would matter is probably not very much, so if that's the biggest issue, other than revenue, I see this NBA season system as borderline perfect.
This would also make the in season tournament way better too, with more space for scheduling games for the tournament. I also don't really need to mention a large decrease in injuries, which would save every team a lot of medical bills!
I feel it’s like pitching in baseball. If you pitch 60 innings one season you probably can’t pitch 100 innings the next year, they will probably give you like 70-80. If a player never plays more than 65 games they will probably never get to 82 without injury.
I'm honestly so sick of this discussion, when the solution is obviously just to restructure the season. In this day and age conferences, divisions, and 82 games makes no sense
We're in this situation because people couldn't be honest and played games. Keep the rules in place, work harder if you want the awards and extra millions.
Bruh wtf is this. Injuries are part of the game. At least one superstar is injured every post season, the 65 game rule has nothing to do with a player being injury prone
Bottom like is that many players aren't getting their bodies right during the off season....not my words but words of players who played in the 00s. No one used to ever complain about 82 games. Many players would play 82 games and keep on trucking in the playoffs, even during the era where the league allowed defenses to get away with a lot. These players get paid more, yet they can't even get their bodies right to last an 82-game season and now people are talking about decreasing the number of games???
They should just lower the number of games in the regular season, which will raise the intensity for regular season games while also spacing them out better for a full recovery for players. With that being said MLB players play a few hundred games a season so no professionals shouldn’t sit out if their not actually injured just to play it safe
I like this idea from the NBA, however I think there’s better was to do it. I think doing something like putting a rule on how many load management games you can have, maybe like 10 or something like those one off games that you can count as load management, without penalizing players for getting hurt. Like if they play 61 games but they only took say 8 load management games and they missed the other games due to real injury than they still are up for awards. I just feel like that could be better
Your solution is RIDICULOUS. If someone wins MVP of COURSE they should get some sort of contractual reward for going above and beyond. At the end of the day, players are the employees and taking money out of their pocket to benefit the corporation is a terrible move. The answer has always been to decrease the amount of reg season games like they were supposed to after introducing the IST, but that would lose the NBA ad revenue so they won’t do it.
Let’s stop defending these players for not wanting to go to work. They should play every game that they are available to play unless injured or an emergency
Bro it's basketball. Last year yall blamed load management saying "guys weren't conditioned to play games." Now it's a blame on the 65 game rule. We should just accept that all this jumping is going to lead to issues. It's the same thing with football and rugby yall complain about injuries in some of the most physically demanding sports in the world like bruh.
Injuries are part of the game. It is what it is. All players should be playing 82 games unless you are injured. Trying to load manage to “avoid” injuries is foolishness, there’s a chance you could get hurt every second you are on the court.
Better yet, make the contracts based on performance and non-guaranteed.... The NBA players union might hold out for a while but then reality would set in.
the playoffs are ALWAYS when players break down, cp3 is a great example, it is what it is, its the end of a 82 game season, its hard for players regardless, the better question is what are the stats? how many players get hurt this season compared to last season in the playoffs
I really think 65 games are pretty reasonable. If they physically can't handle less than 80% of the seasons, they probably don't deserve max contract. If someone get hurt that easy, teams probably should give this player a max contract. Im ok if they go down to 60 games. Just feel like 65 is reasonable.
I have said for some time - individual awards and team selections should be a n NBA paid bonus in the year you achieve them. Remove back to backs. Bring back defence. Players in the 90s and earlier didn’t have much problem playing 70+ These all benefit the fan, and all benefit players overall.
Do to a slower style of player and less millage on their body. Plus a lot of them just being more in love with basketball. I don't believe guys like Ben Simmons are legiatemately injured he just doesn't like playing basketball because he has very low self confidence.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 that is kind of my point. Allow teams to play real defence = less possessions, less times up and down the court. While we are at it, start calling some carry’s and travels. A big thing is how much players are getting paid… players don’t want to jeopardise their future earning potential, teams don’t want to have their $200m+ asset breakdown any have a truer value of a portion of that. Dame got a Supermax contract extension in ‘22 - while injured and entering the final year of his typical prime - it doesn’t even kick in until 25-26. While contracts signed that off-season are likely to be worth more - Dame will be 35+, unlikely to be an All-Star caliber (unless by popular vote), and will be earning an average of around $60m. (At the time the extension was signed, Dame knew he wouldn’t be a Blazer and surely they knew too - too often the case of overpay your guy and work a trade). Do away with the Supermax as it stands today. Players sign a Base Contract with team orientated bonuses (weight/body fat, fitness, etc) - team Salary cap based around this. The NBA pays bonuses based on individual awards and team selections - this value doesn’t count toward team salary caps. In theory stops teams from screwing with players ability to get selected for their own financial gain (should this be a thing) - but also means if a rookie wins DPoY (for example) they get the same bonus that a seasoned veteran would get regardless of their base salary. In theory incentivises players (financially) to perform at their best, rather than just when it counts towards getting a supermax (like you say how many players love the game vs just put in the effort to get that big bag then fall off). I also think that their should be some sort of cover (insurance) that reduces the teams salary hit for injured players.
Durability is part of being a top athlete, and that's how it is with NBA players earning millions. Regular people are required to go to their jobs all the time, and you can't load-manage in real life.
Bad comparison and you aren’t even using the analogy correct. If you suffer a workplace injury, you definitely can load manage and take that time off. Matter of fact there are laws in place that specifically protect employees in these situations. Also, if you show up to work sick, your boss has every right to say “hey you aren’t working today”. What’s the difference? Load management isn’t something created by or implemented by the players, it always came from ownership. The Spurs healthy scratched Duncan due to “Old age”
@itisnottaken4444 In reality, you get time off from work if you're really sick or injured. It's different from NBA players who just choose to sit out games even though they're okay, and their reason is to avoid injury. It's like saying to your boss you can't come to work to prevent yourself from getting sick.
@@XtianJovic you need to understand it’s not them who’s doing it, the whole process of load management comes from the bosses themselves. CJ Mccolum explained how he would sit down with the GM in Portland and strategically plan games off for rest and such. Ben Simmons tried to sit out games on his own accord and got fined almost half his salary in doing so.
Blaming the 65 game rule is just a bad take. 65/82 is just 79% of the games lol. What do you want? Teams to pay them guaranteed millions of dollars just for them to skip games because they played "back-to-back games"? That's literally their day job lol
Players can't make $60 million per year without 82 games. And if the stars don't play, TV networks aren't going to pay billions of dollars. Injuries are part of the game. Winning a championship takes a lot of luck. Always has.
Bro AD and Zion played the most games they've ever played in the last 5 years 😭😭😭 AD and ZION out of all people. And I just checked and its the same thing with Kawhi and PG 💀 This could all be a coincidence and all these players are just having their healthiest seasons now but the 65 game rule ain't affect them. And tbh I'm just glad we actually have a fully functioning Clippers team for once 😂 I remember people calling them a hypothetical team in the offseason. Which was fair as all they had last season was WestBrook leading the team in the playoffs
the season should be no more than 65 games. With the pace of games and frequent travel-- that's alot on any players body, especially those with high usage.
So all three front runners for MVP played at least 70 games. Injuries happen, its bad luck. Look at Kawhi Leonard its the first time since the 18-19 season that he played over 60, that is ridiculous. Sometimes you get a Greg Oden and other times you get an A.C. Green
I've gone to 7 grizz games as I live in tn. Okc my fav team. I wanted to see russ play. 2 games I went to he sat out, the other he got ejected with 2 mins into the game. I haven't been back since, I'd rather save my money, It ain't worth it.
I feel this, went to one Miami game in my life after their big 3 era, wade sat out and Bosh was injured I think. It sucked. And Brooklyn wasn’t getting too good yet.
Meh, I like the 65 game rule, it’s an incredibly low bar to reach. You can miss your teams busiest month in its entirety and still make the 65 game rule with games to spare. As for missing games and the consumerism side of it, I’m a nuggets fan, one of my friends who I talk ball with is a sixers fan, we bought tickets in 2023, that were $120 per ticket for nosebleeds to watch the jokic-Embiid showdown in Denver, welp, Embiid and James harden were late Scratches the hour before the game. This year we met up and my friend wanted to buy tickets for the showdown again, told him no cause of last year and we’d go to the bar Nextdoor to watch the game. We did, kept talking about going, 30 minutes before, Embiid was still on the roster to play, ticket prices were $193 for deep nosebleeds, we decided against it cause that was too much money, and sure enough, within the next 10 minutes Embiid and basically the entire sixers starting lineup went from playing to questionable to last minute scratch 20 minutes before tip off. Y’all can say what you want about it hurting the playoff product, it’s already destroyed the regular season product. No one cares about the regular season is the prevalent opinion among fans and I won’t buy tickets to watch regular season games anymore either and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
NBA is allowing injured players, that can barely move and are risking their long tearm health, play. NBA has lost humanity. Btw What's wrong with Embiid eyes?
Can’t ignore the fact that teams like sixers, Miami and pelicans were getting dangerously close to missing playoffs, so they NEEDED their stars to play.
You are implying the 65-game limit has contributed to the injury situation. However, you do mention several stars who are frequently injured. You can't blame that on the 65-game limit. If a player comes back from injury too soon in a "greedy" attempt to win season awards, that is on them. If it costs them money, who cares? They should be more responsible about their careers, not just one season. Let them skip over half the games if they want. Then they can play all the post season. Fans go to the season games. Most fans never get an opportunity to go to post-season games. Stop screwing over the fans. In almost every professional sport, injuries play a huge role in who wins the championships. If you don't like the 65-game limit, just shorten the season. All sports should do this.
Not to be like this but, the nba has had the same 82 game season forever, it’s only been the last like 6 years or so when players started complaining! It’s the generation that these guys are playing with. Too much complaining going on. They aren’t forced to play. Can’t blame the injuries on the league.
stop saying this is a generation thing, the 99 season legit had almost HALF the league complain and try to not even have a season that year. shaq to this day cries about that season. lockout or not saying the nba has always had a 82 game season is wrong and players talking about the seasons length has always been around, tired of this generation nonsense shit has not changed.
@@mr.longjohn0014 It's not wrong to say the NBA has been playing 82 game for 57 years because it's true. Even if players have always complained about the length of the season (which not as many complained back then as today), a good number of them still played all 82 games. Prior to 2000, it was common for an average of 13% of the league to play all 82 games. This year it was 3% (last year it was less than 2%). Defenses can't get away with playing football or hockey like they used to prior to the mid-00s. So why the big decrease? Bottom line is most players of today do not condition their bodies and weight train during the off season....not my words but words of old players who work with and coach players of today.
Oh, well. Sorry about their damn luck. It sucks that they have injuries, but that is the nature of sports. People get hurt. It is going to happen. We shouldn't have to baby the stars and punish the bench guys by saying the stars only have to play in half the games. You aren't owed a max or supermax deal. You aren't owed a championship. You earn these things or you don't. Being gone half the time, well...sorry about your damn luck. If you are an NBA player and want to talk about your insurance on a Lamborghini or some shit...try and remember when you had nothing even close to that kind of car. You made a choice to buy the Lamborghini, that you pay 100k a year to insure it isn't our problem. You have to be good with your money. Not look at it as an endless piggybank. If you don't know a lot about finance, find someone to learn from. But you get paid millions of dollars for something you grew up playing for free. Something 99% of us out here will never achieve. So, be grateful for the opportunity in front of you, a little humility and don't try to keep up with the Jones'. Live a lifestyle that means something to you. Not just in how many fancy toys you can get. The toys might help make you feel happier, but they mean nothing at all at the end of the day. Friends, family...they matter first. I don't wish injuries on anyone playing in the NBA or any other sport. But they happen. If it costs you money or a championship, that isn't anyone else's fault. Players who play the majority of games should be rewarded first. Can you argue that it could go up or down a few games to be eligible? Sure. But it would be very few games. This is for anyone playing in a professional basketball league. Try to remember where you came from. Most of you were not raised with a silver spoon. I know I sure the hell wasn't.
82 games is stupid and nobody is watching them all anyways, especially with 10+ stars around the league being out for months at a time because of injury. They should have shortened the season years and years ago when teams started load managing. We would all get a better product and the games would mean more. Any other opinion on the topic is mentally re-tarded.
Sorry don't feel bad for guys who are paid millions to play a game why is it basketball players can't play full season hockey players do and there sports rougher
used to love this guy but his takes have been so wrong this year. from rating the mavericks trade a D- to dumb shit like this... just unwatchable now. time to unsub
