I think the fact that both of these builds, and apparently many other high end ones, share nearly 80% of the same skills says something about the skill system.
It shows how lazy the build creators are. There's plenty of build variety if you actually go looking for it, but if you just listen to bums who continue to overuse the same PlateUp/AmmoFun/Rep/CombatReload combo you'll keep wondering why "pd3 doesn't have build variety."
@@Ab23_1Unfortunately those are literally the most effective skills and skill combinations you can have in the entire game. It's a shame but there aren't that many other alternatives that feel just as fun or as effective to use in any difficulty above very hard. Personally my favorite is assassin/adrenaline with smokes, but nothing else comes close to being nearly as fun. It sucks to admit but I feel like there should've been at least twice as many skill lines as there are in the game right now.
yeah, i always wanted to have a human shield build but the skills for that are so bad. like, you can either choose and infinite magazine or 5% faster walking with a shield. the choice is obvious.
Love the new pump-action, reloading one shell at a time is a great way of keeping edge and grit up and it seems to synergise well with the mower line for edge skilss and obviously the close range grit line
DLC weapons do feel P2W and I hope X-mas will offer up sometbing that either levels the field or perhaps just use the prefab system heavily (maybe creator prefabs as a limited thing)
@ciphergacha9100 that's not the point, the point is that they are an issue from the core. I know that a prefab by definition can't be customized. However, that doesn't excuse that they couldn't have done something else instead of doing presets. Payday 2 had skins that didn't lock the weapon to a single set of attachments, and even for the couple that did have unique attachments, you could still have the overall color of the weapon AND change the attachments that it came with. Prefabs are at war with the weapon customization and weapon leveling systems, immediately and completely negating both, that's the problem; a problem that payday 2 already solved.
@@ciphergacha9100 I understand not having the ability to switch out attachments, but atleast let us repaint them, I don't want a big goofy American flag design pasted all over my gun to have a viable weapon
Ditch Unyielding and instead get Heavy Hipfire. The stun is OP because there's no distance drop off for procing. You won't get much damage at larger distances, but it won't matter because you will have plenty of time to either run up and kill, swap to the Garstini, or run away without getting shot.
Excellent skill builds and weapon assessments. As you mentioned, I hope Starbreeze roll the transporter line into the baseline character build or combine these skill lines, since it's such an important part of all builds. I agree, a skill line Re-work is so necessary. Many skills could be combined to make the game so much more fun and diverse, without all the bloat that are in these skill lines now. Another 5 skill points would be super fun too, if the rework won't happen soon.
Honestly, even as little as 2 more would be nice. Not only would it round off at a nice 30/30, it would be just enough to squeeze in the Transporter skills for double bags or deployable. Big agree that some skills need combining or integrating into base kit though
Thank you, i've been having trouble understanding pd3 skill building since I come from pd2. The rifle build was so fun in my first game i came here to thank you for it, keep making content knowley love you for that.
you absolutely stole my one shot build with the ar. adaptive armor, plate up to replenish. adrenaline from trip lasers to keep you invincible. such a power build that i never see anyone running. now that this videos out i imagine i’ll see more people running this
Something I realized about skills during this video, and why they feel weird, is that it feels like (to me at least) they built skills around the concept that players would have roles they fill, which doesn't really work with random lobbies or solo players, and kinda leads to everyone trying to fill a little bit of everything.
Just tried the first build after having troubles making a Solo Overkill Loud build work well, and damn does it shred. Very good on specific heists that have tight chokepoints (Dirty Ice is a good example). Thanks!
Potentially spicy take: not a fan of the M7 being burst fire. Maybe it's because I dont play on Overkill much, but the 3 shell burst feels wasteful unless there is an absolute CROWD in front of me (ala Fear and Greed control room)
Can you beat payday 2 as the courier (6)? Theres a couple mods one adds the riot gear as a suit and the other adds a veteran ranger helmet Primary: repeater 1874, reigned 880, Amr-17 Secondary: any revolver Melee just do knives or fists knives because chances knife is a popular Melee option Ik the courier is consider to only use the 357. Revolver but I wanted to add some variety so I added some of the games popular guns to make it just that bit more diverse
I think to make builds more unique we need to rework the edge, grit rush system or add more ways to prox Edge and Grit and more ways to refresh them both rather than just reloading being the only good option. For example the only actually reliable source of edge really is either gunslinger, sharpshooter or enforcer aced. Other than that most of them require to do something extremely stupid/situational or just shooting 35 bullets but that's very unreliable to just stand there shoot 35 shots without doing much damage. I also think Grit suffers the most from this, only actually reliable source is enforcer really. I have never seen anyone prox grit with move and cover (vaulting gives grit but uses rush), or cooker (holding a nade for a second) because they are simply not worth picking up
Changing E/G/R is a huge barrier to fixing the skill system. Right now Enforcer gives you E/G for free, and we have three stupid easy options to generate Rush on demand with many builds taking all three at once. We need the current methods of generating Edge and especially Grit to be hugely diversified so there's actually good reason to think about what source you are getting the buffs from
@@darthvaderreviews6926 absolutely agree. So far the builds "feel" similar because the grounds for them are the same. I would love for the turret build stuff like "after 5 kills the turret gets you gain Grit" and then something for edge and refresh for them. We need more unique ways to gain them other than shooting. And refreshing too, so far the only one I remember from memory that refreshes both grit and edge is combat reload.
My current favorite build is a gunslinger SMG build with the SG ATK-7. Pretty similar build to your first one, but I forgo the medic line for strategist and sharpshooter for gunslinger. I recently bought the game in the last sale, and my main issue with builds is that there's no real variety. They wanted this system so stealth builds were just as good if stealth fails, but it's still like half your points that go to waste after that. And all loud builds follow like, 3 philosophies at most. There are just so many dead skills and many others may as well be mandatory.
Very nice, I run a similar build (hipfire build) I have a spas-12 and deagle. Spas has no barrel barrel mod, no sight, skeleton folding stock, diamond friction, and 12g segmented choke . Deagle has force vent cut, coarse ergo, slate RDS, and extended mag. I have medic bag, shock grenade, and trip lasers. Skills top to bottem are: medic, extra charge, code blue, mower, recoil handling, ammo funnel, replenish, sprint loaded, clean slate, demolitionist, cooker, blast shield, enforcer, quick reload, face to face, combat reload, gunslinger, from the hip, locked and loaded, all the transporter skills (exept brutal carry), fortitude aced, and health siphon.
I’ve got a build that uses the spotter perks paired with the assassin ones and I feel like an unstoppable killing machine. No bags perks, quick pick, or long term hostage solo sustain unfortunately but holy moly. Spam smokes (or shocks), take less damage, get hit less, do more damage, and it’s a dozer shredder. Pretty much any weapon can obliterate a dozer. I was shocked using various SMGs to toast dozers. It’s lots of fun
so far my fav build ive ran for public match carrying is Maxing (mostly) Medic/ Hostage and Transporter skills with a few skills in enforcer, mower for killing of course, and obviously a point in Clean Slate. Basically a Mastermind equivalent build for PD3. Being able to have an insane amount of hostage resources + free revives on teammates are arent that great wins games.
In Payday 2, it was literally just about killing as many cops as possible while avoiding getting killed. That was all you had to think about, lethality and survivability. In Payday 3, they've added the RPG like elements of Edge, Grit, and Rush, which massively complicate everything while also forcing you into a much smaller range of playstyles
I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with Grit/Edge/Rush, I think it works great for a modular system, the problem is there just aren't that many strong and interesting ways to use them.
Even though the adelig has a longer reload, it as a smaller time in which you are unable to fire if you cancel reloading. As in it has the shortest time a mag is out of the gun, meaning you can cancel and start shooting during most of the animation, start or end. I dont know if ive explained it well.
I got 4 builds 1 I got a tank shotgun with mag or Deagle combo with adaptive armor 2 stealth enough said 3 medic hostage getting build with one plate AR and mag 4 my fav a mix of 1 and 3 but with engineering skills with shotgun and jackknife and adaptive armor
I like the first build. It has no real weaknesses and is fine all around but the shotgun build feels too reliant on Overkill AI crew which I find inconsistent at times.
Since Payday 3 has so little unique builds here's a challenge idea: -You must start from level 1 and beat every heist(including dlc) on overkill difficulty -You are only allowed to invest your skill points into a single line, you are allowed to use different skill lines for different heists -I can't really think of a restriction on your weapons so just try to resist the temptation of using the op guns Also can you tell the boffins at apex gaming to add an option for windows 10, i really do want to buy one of their pcs but windows 11 is just garbage.
To me personally, skilllines like Fortitude and Transporter just don't seem fun, so I don't run them And I feel kind of judged sometimes when my teammates look at me run off with only one bag, as that's all I can carry But like, I'm sorry, I play the game to have fun and I don't wanna waste four skillpoints to make that playstyle viable I enjoy watching your best build videos, but over the years of playing PayDay 2 and now 3 I learned that they just aren't the right thing for me I remain a Very Hard player for now, since I don't think doing what you need to do for Overkill would be fun for me
The VF-7S is a great substitute for the Adelig RG5, and the best base-game shotgun is definitely the Mosconi 12, which is extremely effective with Ammo Funnel + Replenish. For secondaries use the Tribune 32 or Sforza Bison. The Tribune 32 is like a pocket SMG and the Sforza Bison is a headshot machine
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Jesus christ that apex gaming sponsor is way over the line with the prices an A750 intel and Ryzen 5 5500 for 1218$ is an absolute insane ripoff! For context, thats a 250$ GPU and around 100$ CPU And the rest.. isn't expensive. Insane. Haven't seen a prebuilt this egregiously overpriced in a long time
Depends if you want your heist to be more challenging or not, either in loud or stealh. In terms of payouts, meh it's not much better than the inferior difficulties
I swear sometimes I can be right in front of a cop and it wouldn’t hit half the bullets (this is without gunslinger tho) but otherwise I’d say it’s alright
"Shields are frustrating to deal with-" No? Never have I ever had a single issue with shields. First off, I run Solid, which completely trivializes them, and many many other stuns in the game, which WILL keep you alive. But, let's say you don't want Solid; that's okay! All you have to do is Bullfight them! Bait them to bash, then sidestep. While they're locked into their animation, you have so much time to take them out quickly. Their hitbox isn't that big, so it isn't hard to sidestep them. I usually just sprint into, and around them.
You motivate me to get on the game every single time you upload a video like this. However, I find myself every single time getting on the game and immediately getting off after one heist. The skills, along with the edge rush and grit system, are just so BORING. I'm sorry but they really are. I still don't understand how they went 10 steps back from PD2s system. It wasn't perfect by any means but it was still a FUN system to play around with. I cannot for the life of me stand how every single build is edge rush and grit. It literally gets me to not play the game. This obviously isn't even a "me" thing at this point because the game is still so dead. No content can make the foundation of the game good if it's already garbage. That's the conclusion I'm starting to come to.
Havent played since the first release month. The builds in this video still are so uninspired and boring. Thats ofcourse a game design problem and has nothing to do with you. Part of why Payday 2 was so great is the huge varity in skills and the setups you can run. And a build is not, get buff x y z and onehit things with a gun. To limit almost every aspect of Payday 3 buildcrafting by having the same 3 buffs that have very little impact on the gameplay experience is just boring and bad. Wont get me to play unless they change the skill system significantly
@@TheKknowley i'm hopefull aswell. After all, this franchise was a huge part of my yunger self, and as you said, the changes they have made since release are in the right direction.
you make the same build twice then complain that the skills dont have any variety even though there are loads of difrent playing builds for example i have a adreline build a 1 plate invinciblity shovilg build a 4 plate hardy build a sentry build and a sniper build and they share max 15 skill points
You forgot to mention all these weapons are DLC. i paid my money for payday 3 and its garbage and i will not spend a single more cent on this game, now what every new weapon and map will be sold as dlc ?????????
Good shit bud. Coming back to see how PD3 is after the atrocious launch. Seems like I thought. They're taking the PD2 approach. I..e the game will be great at the 5year mark. Well...at least the servers work. Lol. Thx for the info
