Awww hell... I've been waiting on your review for this rifle. In fact your review is, "make, or break," as far as I'm concerned. Post watch edit: Yup. I'm buying this rifle. Thanks, Airgun Detective!
Thank you for watching and I appreciate your comments. I was surprised with this one. The accuracy right out of the box totally surprised me. This is truly designed for hunting and paired with the Hornets, what a great combination. I appreciate you watching and thank you for the comments. 👍😉
@@AirgunDetectives Popping the shiney sides of shotgun shells from 40 yard is no joke, and sealed the deal for me. I know you touched on power in your video, but do you think the discrepancy between advertised velocity and actual velocity is a bit high? How does this break-barrel compare with other break-barrels in terms of power? Thanks!
@@WRXXXual it's the most powerful one in. 22 and only the hatsan 125 in. 25 and the 135 and 130 in. 30 are marginally more powerful. I actually have the 125 in. 25 and I have the original game Magnum, they both punch a hole into 6mm steel at 10-15 yards and still have penetration power left in em. Depends on what pellet your gun likes tbh. The. 25 punches a slightly larger hole but the gamo perhaps goes deeper. Gamo Magnum: 27-29 FPE in. 22 Hatsan 125 . 25 : 30-32 ish FPE
I found the Gamo swarm magnum 10x gen 2, in 22 cal., on July the 24th, that Midway USA. I had to put in a request, so when they got it in they let me know right away. I have sighted it in and it's great. Now remember when ever you use a different pellet, make sure you recalibrate your scope for that pellet. I actually shoot heavier pellets, to decrease the speed and increase the impact.
@@WRXXXual The power is great for the game it's intended for. I actually have to shoot a heavier pellet to keep it from cracking the sound barrier, but for decreased velocity, it impacts with more Force, using a heavier pellet. Of all the break barrels I have tested, I find the Gamo swarm Magnum gen2, 22cal. To be just what I'm looking for. People complain about how hard it is to cock, but if you can cock it, whatever small game you aim at, it's go down. Now, that's if you know how to shoot. Great air rifle. Shooting targets, and putting pellet on pellet on pellet. Yep, it's very accurate. And, Yes! That's with the scope that comes with it, and just using the sights. No one is paying me to say anything. I just like people to know what I've found out.
I REALLY ENJOY your videos, I bought a Gamo swarm magnum G2. 22 and measured the cocking force, the low was 54 lbs and the high was 60 lbs!!! It's a freaking BEAST!! It's the most powerful .22 brake barrel pellet rifle I have ever seen or shot. Keep up the AWESOME videos bro. 👍😎👍
The cocking effort should be way more consistent than 54 to 60 lbs. Just like a trigger pull gauge, your difference must have come from measuring from different points.
The magazine gives a nice satisfying click going in and i know its your dog and he lives there but i love how he walks around like he owns the place. What a boss
@@AirgunDetectives A average dog is more loyal than most people!!! You said you ran bout 600 rounds through that, did the cocking effort get any easier?? Thx✌
Excellent Review. I’ve owned a Sheridan Blue Streak for 50 years. Amazing gun in it’s day. Just getting into air rifles again at 62 and man have they come a long way! Great channel.
Hey JC, I have probably watched this video half a dozen times now, and am finally going to buy four for my family. Gamo should pay you a commission. You have probably sold more Gamo products than Cabella's or Pyramyd Air with your thoroughly entertaining and informative videos. If you ever consider selling yours, please let me know. I would love to buy it from you if you autograph it for my son Sebastian. He especially enjoys watching your videos. Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.
Hi Ken, I just got in a Gen-3 I am going to review. It is pretty much the same rifle. As soon as I am done with the review, I need to compare them first, I will let one go. Just send me an email and I'll let you know. It could be several weeks until I complete the filming. Thanks again for tuning in, I appreciate the support. info@airgundetectives.com 👍🏻
Thanks for the great review. In fact, it decided my purchase. I got lucky and got one from Cabela's at beginning of July before they're sold out again. My heart sank when I came pick it up at the store, the box was ripped in the middle, and someone has made a poor job of taping it back. Fortunately, after opening the box right in front of the customer service lady there, checking for damages, all was well. There's not a mark on the gun, all the parts and papers were present, pity the box won't be fit to display... The cocking effort was really 50 lbs level, I think Gamo understated it at 42 lbs so not to put buyers off. On a bad day, I stand the rifle on its stock and push down the barrel to cock it. A tired trembling hand is no good for aiming! The recoil is truly incredible. I wrecked a BSA Outlook 4-12x44 in a week. The hole for the stop pin on the RRR was badly distorted, the aluminum buckled toward the rear. I had to file it off, rounding the hole before putting a Diana Bullseye ZR knockoff and a Hawke Vantage 2-7x32 on. Still holding zero now after nearly 900 shots. I zeroed mine at 25 yards with the H&N Hornets, they're truly awesome. I can drop pigeons at 25 -30 yards with 9 out of 10 shots, considering I am just an average shot, with old eyes and unsteady hands! It's a shame that H&N Hornets are expensive. But, mine Magnum g2 also nearly as good with Premier Hollowpoint 14.3 gr pellets, I just have to aim the scope 1mil down. One more thing, do you know that the plastic cover at the bottom of the pistol grip is a snap fit and removable? There's enough room to put a spare magazine in there! But you have to think of something to get it open quickly without using a flat screwdriver...
Viet Lam- Did the cocking get any easier after all those rounds? I'm only 55 but had three back surgeries. I'm 6'3 - 295pds 70 pounds overweight and my arms still work okay, been debating back and forth between PCP and break barrel ultimately I think it just might be used for pesting skunk and raccoons,, target practice would be fun but PCP is a lot more money, more maintenance, and even their compressors are expensive and somewhat sketchy for long-term durability right now. How much was your Hawkeye scope? $109 is what I found that's a pretty decent price.
@@yukonjack. After 3000+ rounds as of now, and liberal applications of silicone grease to the linkages and parts of the pushrod into the compression chamber that i can see, the effort to cock it has become manageable. It's still require a firm determined pull but not quite intimidating as when new. Considering your fitness description, I think it'll be best for you to stand the rifle and push down the barrel to cock it like I did until I adapted to the stiffness, then try to cock it the normal way with the stock on your upper thigh/ hip once in a while when you feelgood. This rifle is made for hunting, not all day plinking, unless you're a bored professional arm wrestler. After 40 rounds. I usually called it a day. PCPs are more accurate and powerful at the same loudness with less recoil. I got an Air Venturi Avenger for 300 (Pyramyd Air) and an oil-free, maintenance-free GX-CS3 PCP compressor (490, Amazon) for long sessions of plinking/pesting. They are expensive outlay initially, but after a year, they are worth every penny. The compressor is still trouble free. I always leave it running to cool down properly after every refill operation. I don't know about other compressors, but the GX-CS3 , while much more expensive than many, has exceeded my expectations. Oh, BTW, the scope was a Hawke Vantage 2-7 x 32 AO. From personal perspective, I use PCP for everyday shooting, but keep up with the Gamo Swarm Magnum G2 just incase and for emergencies due to its power and independence of airsource. I hope it helps you to decide what is best for you. Have fun and be safe!
@@vietlam2362 I appreciate your advice!! and that compressor has a few hundred good reviews but it's always reassuring to hear from personal experience. Chinese quality has improved a lot over the years I agree having both guns would be the best. As far as PCP I would be torn between the Air Venturi Avenger or the Umarex Gauntlet 2 both in 22.cal Gauntlet has 70+shots and the Avenger is nice to have the option to dial down the pressure if you're shooting/ pesting in the backyard with neighbors close around. What's your opinion? also is there much maintenance upkeep with PCP as far as seals and anything else you can think of? Thx✌
@@yukonjack. I haven't got the Gauntlet 2 , but from a quick checks of the reviews it's seems a good gun and a good buy for the specs. However, if you want to try different regulator pressure, you have to take the tank off to put bought shims at the tank. It's means adjustability from the preset 2100psi, just not on the fly like the Avenger (although Avenger allows up-regulation, up to 3000psi, down-regulation you have to entirely de-gas the gun first before refilling and adjust.). I set mine at 1900psi as a compromise between power and shots counts (around 35ftlb, 80 shots, if memory serves). The big 24ci @ 4500 psi of the Gauntlet 2 is a big improvement over the 13ci @3600psi of the original Gauntlet, but be aware that nearly all the portable compressors are rated 4500psi max! You wouldn't want your compressor to die a quick death by filling your gun to the max hyped pressure, would you? My Avenger is rated for 4350psi, and I only pump it up to 4000-4100psi to keep the compressor healthy. I consider max shot counts are non-issue. When you're plinking, there's always time for refill. When you're really stalking and hunting, you're lucky to use up 30 shots! That's my take. For maintenance, PCP require even less work than break barrels. All you need is is to clean the barrel once when new, then per 1000 shots or so thereafter. Oil the cocking lever linkages, the passage of the pellet push probe,, its rubber seals at the tip, the entrance of that tip with silicone oil.. Just go easy don't dripping Wet them.. And keep the gun filled around 2000psi to keep the seals seated but not stressed for storage or when you not shooting for awhile. A quick homemade cleaning tool I made is from a length of grass trimmer plastic wire, with a bit of plastic tip from a ballpoint pen superglue on 6in from the end for a piece of cloth to hang on while you're pulling the wire thru the barrel. Or you can buy it somewhere online. Wet the cloth with WD40 or gun oil, insert the wire end without the cloth into the breech where you insert the mag, push it thru and out the muzzle, then grab it and pull the whole thing out. Repeat a few times with fresh cloth and oil. Finish with dry cloth until dry and clean. There's no acids from burnt powder so your airgun barrel don't need oil layer to protect from corrosion, unless you're going to store it for months. Clean it off before shooting again. That's about it for PCP maintenance I personally do. My guns and compressor are still problem-free and shooting great after 1 1/2 years so I am fairly certain I didn't do anything harmful. Have fun shooting and be safe!
Thanks for the comprehensive review, I've been on the fence about getting this or the Hatsan .30 break barrel. I can't find the hatsan in stock and I really like the magazine system on the gamo so that's what I'm going with. I love your template for reviews, it's super helpful and a no nonsense way of presenting info. You're my favorite airgun youtuber by far.
New subscriber here. Have been watching many videos on air guns but I enjoy your videos the most. Must be your delivery. Recently purchased this model and quite happy with it.
I almost bought the Steiger xm1. Until I watched your review for it. Thank god. I would have been so angry. Bought this one today instead thanks to your vids. You earned a new subscriber.
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Could you do a review of this rifle with really heavy pellets, like the H&N Crow, or Rabbit Magnums, or alloy pellets that will go supersonic? I’d love to see how this rifle would perform with really heavy pellets, or really fast ones. Thanks for the great review!
@@gastonmamy7107 yep I'm curries on ft of energy. I'm also looking at hatsan 130 but can't seem to find ammo that's in stock and not 20 plus a tin with shipping. Backorder in most places along with the hatsan 130
I gave my brother a Crosman A4 Nitro for Christmas and we had a BLAST shooting all Christmas morning. I have been into PCP's lately, but was reminded how much I LOVE springers. I think I'm going to upgrade from my 1st gen Gamo Swarm Whisper .22 to the Gen2 Magnum .177. This Gamo looks GORGEOUS.
There are many options out there. I have a tendency to lean towards the .22 caliber in the magnum breakbarrel simply because there is usually too much velocity for the .177 pellets, unless you use a really heavy style, 13 grain. There is many more option in .22 pellets at that point . Have a Great New Year!
@@AirgunDetectives A friend of mine with the Gen 1 .177 agrees with you. With the 10.34 gr. pellet, he says it just goes right though the game, (maybe he should do head shots?). He wishes he would have gotten the .22. I will tell him to try the heavier pellet. Thanks.
Another great review and the splatterburst targets work great. You have become a leader in the industry with your reviews and instuctional videos. Thanks for all the effort for the sport.
Thank you so much and I always appreciate your valuable feedback. This rifle pleasantly surprised me. It had accuracy out of the box that I never experienced with Gamo and I have about 20 Gamo rifles.
I have the 10x gen 2 in 22 cal. I had to send two back due to pellet loading problems but the third is very accurate and works great. Yesterday I had 7 out of 10 in one ragged hole at 35 yards. The others were me as I'm now in my early 70's and shake a bit.
I bought one and the dealer fitted better mounts for me immediately and suggested a scope upgrade which I will do. Most if not all reveiws actually reccomend a scope upgrade from the factory issue. -cheers! 💚
One of the best reviews. Actually, the best. No bullshit, just straight talk. I really enjoyed it so much, that i watched it several times. I'm waiting for it to arrive here in South Africa. But here, they have the Replay version and not the Swarm version. You have convinced me. PS. Love ur backyard.
i watched just about every review of this gun i could find. a lot of them mention how hard the cocking effort is. i was thinkink it couldnt be THAT bad. well, the other day a friend and i went to the store. i bought the swarm fusion and he bought this one. the cocking effort is 100% a concern if your going to buy this. you aint kidding when you say your not gonna be shooting all day with this. im soooo happy i went with the swarm fusion.
Really appreciate your great reviews John...and for your previous service, too! I've told lots of people I know about your videos. Two (2) Items (Availability and Multi-Part Pellet Questions): A) Bass Pro Shop has them in Stock - And they are available for shipment and in stores. I live in Oregon and Bass Pro Shop said they were available at the Tacoma WA store for pickup (which was about 4 hours North). So, I had mine shipped which then came from OH. At first I was concerned their website might be wrong (like a mislabeled 1st Gen Magnum), but I can attest I got mine about a week and half ago (it was the Gen 2 Magnum). Now I just wish I could find some extra Gamo Inertia Magazines. 🤓 B) Questions About the Other 20 Pellets Tested and/or Slugs, Speed of Sound and Over Penetration, too? - So, I am very curious if you'd tried or had any test information on the following list of H&N Pellets, as I'm concerned about Over Penetration and also I don't want any pellets that would be breaking the speed of sound either. .22 CALIBER - LEAD FREE - Baracuda Green - My main concern would be if these would go Super Sonic, or if they are heavy enough to NOT break the sound barrier? - 12.96 gr. (measures 5.7mm) - 30 m Max Distance - BC 0.029 Field Target Trophy Green - Again for me, my concern with these...is if they would break the sound barrier with being much lighter weight than the Baracuda Green above...I would NOT want that. 🤪😇 - 9.57 gr. - 30 m Max Distance - BC 0.016 .22 CALIBER - LEAD - Terminator (Hollow Point) - Did you happen to try the Terminators? - 16.36 gr. (measures 5.7mm) - 30 m Max Distance - BC 0.020 - Slug (Hollow Point) - .218 Cal. which is 5.53mm (instead of the .217 Cal) Like a few other viewers...I would love to see how these Slugs would shot with the Magnum. - 21 gr. - BC 0.091 - 23 gr. - BC 0.094 - 25 gr. - BC 0.100 - 27 gr. - BC 0.095 - 30 gr. - BC 0.106 - 100 m Max Distance Thanks again for all you do...and thank you for your diligence an time...it is greatly appreciated!!!
@@captainwahhh3952 Just got mine today for $300 is not cheap but it seems like a good gun. First shot in .22 cal not very backyard friendly could be some dieseling even that I cleaned it, used 14.3g will try heavier pellets.
Hi John. Unboxed my 22 today. Shot about 15 shots. To say its a bear is understatement. I used my body weight and push barrel down. I hope after 150-200 shots gets easier.
Just bought one and mounting up a BSA scope. Gotta say wow. The lead pellet is shooting through my wood target and hitting the dirt behind it ha ha like a .22 rifle would. Can't wait to try the 4-12-40 scope out. And yes the first time cocking this barrel, i was looking around to see if my neighbors were watching me struggle. Don't mind saying, I hope it loosens up just a bit. LOL
Gamo has some amazing velocity. I saw a guy put a pellet through both sides of a metal house door and in to a wooden door behind it with a $160 Gamo whisper.
Very informative. I have one on the way now. I also subscribed to your channel. :) I already had an Umarex Octane in .177, so I ordered this in .22 caliber. One way I can already see that this beats the Octane is that it is considerably lighter. The octane has a better stock scope, so I think I will take that off my Octane and set it up on my new Swarm Magnum. Heck, as long as I'm willing to sight it in when I switch guns, I can just switch it back and forth. Tbh, sighting rifles in is kinda fun anyway.
The best way to start out the Day, I new Airgun Detectives air rifle review! Great Job John. Love the new targets much better visibility while shooting. Great sponsor pickup!!! 👍 Thanks Gamo for sending the rifle for review. Did you try the new Crosman Ultra heavy 19 grain pellets or the Gamo TS=22 21 grain pellets? My magnum rifle loves both these pellets! Two questions: You stated this rifle uses the Mach 1 piston, but during your Whisper Fusion Mach 1 rifle review you loved the cocking effort better (36 lbs) than the previous Gamo Magnums. Do you know why? Did the cocking effort get any lighter as you used it? Other reviews reported it getting easier after "break-in"?
The piston is the same as the original and the cocking effort is identical to the Gen1. All three have the identical cocking effort, the original Magnum, the Swarm Magnum and the Gen2 Swarm Magnum. They are in the upper 40's. I put around 600 rounds through that in 2 days. It is definitely a work out. As I said not a rifle for the feeble. What surprised me the most was the accuracy. This was not as pellet picky as the other models either. I didn't try those specific pellets but I tried quite a few and most were really good. However, the Hornets were amazing. Take care!
Thanks for an awesome review. With my $600 dollar tax stimulus return, I purchased this along with some "freedom" seeds. Very well done sir. Love your unbiased review..
We did not get "our tax money" back, (before it was spent). We got every body else's money for these so called "stimulus" plans, (spurred on by a virus much like the common flu). Even though my little business is booming because of people spending this money, that they did not earn, (called "redistribution"), on recreational and associated wants, (I modify gas engines mostly for RC cars, sold around the world, made $20,000 more last year), I can not condone these poor, no, Self destroying economic policies. Are we going to die, taking as much as we can from each other? We need to rediscover, "Morality". Hard come, easy go. :( But,---this is the best review channel on YT. :)
@@EarthSurferUSA Oh piss off. "Like the common Flu". Tell that to the 7.5-15 million people that have already died from this virus globally and their families who are grieving. The studies are already starting to come out estimating the true toll of this pandemic (so far as the pandemic is not over), and like every single other epidemic or pandemic beforehand, the confirmed deaths are a VAST undercount of the total number of people that have died from this deadly disease. Just in the US alone, we already have studies coming out estimating a death toll from Covid approaching 1 million people. Shame on you.
Good review. I trust your results more than some others. Anyway, just ordered one from Amazon today (10/14/2020) because I've been looking for a hard shooting break barrel. Been looking at this one for awhile, but most of the U-Tube reviewers seemed to shoot it rather poorly. Maybe too much time with PCP's? Don't know but I'm fixing to find out. Anyway, you sold me on this being the one. Thanks for a great review!
If it doesn't shoot up to the potential exchange it for another that will. I have had accuracy issues with about 20% of the Gamo rifles. Watch my review on the Gamo Bone Collector. This G2 Magnum is the most accurate .22 caliber Gamo break barrel I have ever shot.
I saw another guys test between the gen1 and gen2, and he showed the gen1 actually has more power. Glad to see that is not true. I am sold on this gun if I can get one.
Hi Leroy, this is the first Gamo I have every shot that was this accurate right out of the box. This was not just accurate, but more amazing than I ever expected. I was beyond surprised. This one earned it's high marks. Over the years the Gamo rifles normally frustrate me more than any other brand. You will see what I mean when I release the Swarm Bone Collector review, coming soon, not to give anything away but there will be some surprises in that. Have a great Father Day!
Ive got an original magnum .22 with a 2 lb trigger. Bipod , a discovery hi 8-32x50 sfir scope that i named white feather after Carlos Hathcock that just wicked accurate.
What a great review! You nailed so many points with perfect clarity and explanation. I just got mine a few weeks ago but I haven't had the time to shoot it yet. Your marksmanship really show the accuracy of this well made air rifle and I can't wait to test it out. Oh, and I will be ordering that scope as well as the pellets you shot with. Looking forward to checking more of your videos.
I was thinking that "inertia" may have been an incorrect term. I thought that was for rotational force, like a flywheel, and reciprocal recoil sound more linear. Not sure totally though. Maybe it should have been called "The Reciprocal Recoil Pellet Advancement Magazine", (RRPAM), or something like that? :)
Thank you for making these reviews. We just moved to a rural area, and I’m looking for a squirrel gun. After watching several of your videos, I’m buying this gun, and your recommended pellets through your links.
Hey Joe, thanks for watching and I appreciate your comments. Check out my website randomly I have been listing some of my personal collection. Happy Shooting👍
Thanks for the tip on the scopes. I've been looking for an affordable air rifle scope for my .177cfx. This rifle will be my new .22 though, great review!
I want to thank you for what you're doing with this channel. I do a whole lot of research trying to look for certain things with their guns and you helped me a lot. I'm still looking for a big bore that I can afford that actually puts out the power that I want but looks like it doesn't really exist. Looks like I'm going to have to just build it. Let me know if you ever want a crossbow because if you do I'll build you one handmade still drop whatever you wanted to drop long as it's not an elephant
Thank you for the kind comments 😊 Have you looked at the Umarex Hammer air rifle. It's. 50 caliber and a beast. I never shot one, only watched video. Your crossbow sounds impressive. Not in the market for one but if I am you'll be my go to guy. I am going to review the Benjamin Airbow at some point. #staytunedforairgundetectives 👍😉
Hello my wifey have the first gen1 & we can't wait to buy the gen2 then she will have the new one & I will keep her old one lol also we love your video thanks.
I just spent all winter shooting this gun at snow piles around my driveway and across the yard. Now, in the spring, I go find them while the snow is melting and pick up all that I find. Usually, the pellets found in the snow have very little deformation other than the rifling marks, and a puffed up skirt from this .22 magnum gun. Once in a while, I find a interesting pellet. This one must have been shot after I cleaned the barrel, as it must have dieseled. Now the power of this gun will puff/blow up the skirt for excellent engagement with the rifling's, but the diameter of the barrel is as big as it can get. I just found a pellet in the snow, (JSB 18gr.), and the skirt is blown up to .300" diameter measured with calipers, (almost perfectly round, no splits). It looks funny as the skirt is 2mm bigger in diameter than the head of the pellet, (like a real fat short lady in a ballroom dress and a tiny head), but the only way I can think of that will cause that is if there was still a lot of force behind the pellet as it left the muzzle. That expanding deformation probably happened within 2" out of the muzzle. By the way, I have decided that the Hornet is my favorite pellet out of this gun. At 16gr. it does have a better trajectory than the 18gr. domes, (2 mill dots at 90 yards instead of 3), and so far, I have not beat long distance groups with the domed pellets I have tried, (but they are all pretty darn good to). One thing I love about the Hornet and the 18gr. Hunter Extreme (Both H&N), is they have a thicker skirt than the JSB or FX pellets. None of the Hornet or Hunter Extreme pellets had dents on the skirts, they were all perfect. I have thrown away about 10% of the FX 18gr. pellets because of damaged skirts. I found about 20 Hornets so far in the snow, and I bet they shoot pretty darn good the second time too. I have waited a month for 1,200 Hornets, so I may have to fire them. :)
I had to give an update and you will be surprised. I picked up some crosman destroyers 14.3 gr. I got 958 fps @29 fpe energy and the best part is. Then gun loved them.. absolutely stacked the pellets..lol who would have thought it ? ..
Hi Casey...I have a lot of luck with these and have purchased over a half dozen. Best price out there and they are holding up well with the reverse recoil. BSA 3-9 x40 amzn.to/3gVNzS9 BSA 4-12 x 44 amzn.to/2Y5ijc0
Hello Mr. John, I like this new target, as for the new Gen2, I have seen other videos and the accuracy is not very good, they do not know how to shoot with spring rifles and we are fooled by hands Videos, congratulations on the great job, I never thought it was a 5-star carbine, hugs.
Hi Luis, I was totally surprised with the accuracy on this right out of the box. It was way beyond my expectations! The key is finding the right pellets. I went through about 20 different weights and shapes. It actually did really well with all of them. The Hornets were just unbelievable. Have a great Father's day 👍
This is the video that suckered me into buying this gun..lol..Its also the gun that has given me the most aggravation. Bought on amazon and discovered it has a bent barrel. Ive gotten the barrel fairly close but once shooting past the zero point its like i can never find where it shoots. It shoots very hard , sd is very good and i have the updated screw for the trigger , under 2 lbs . Perfect.. i feel once i get this barrel issue figured out , it will be a beast.
Can you exchange it for another? A common way the barrels get bent, not saying this is your case, but people accidentally let go during the cocking phase. When that happens the force causes the barrel to be Sligh bend upwards. This is just enough to destroy accuracy down range. You can carefully bend it back to the original position but it is a delicate process. But sometimes you just get a defective barrel which warrants an exchange. Thanks for watching 👍
@@AirgunDetectives sorry for the late reply. No i havent had a slip or anything. I bought it on Amazon from one of those stores that sell everything. Probably first mistake. Im thinking its a return or something because i noticed 2 screw heads on the recoil reduction rail had rust on them. Ill probably just end up fixing it myself. It doesnt have the power yours does . Its almost identical to your first addition swarm magnum. Ill get it there. Just the aggravation of it.. love the videos. Gotta have my fix every friday..lol
@@AirgunDetectives I know for the DNR testing the sound of a dirt bike, (at least 20 years ago, this was the process), they use a SAE standard of 3 feet from the exhaust stinger at a 45 deg. angle, with RPMs holding at about half the rev range, (about 5000 rpm). That way, distance and location remain the same for a standard measurement. Is there a standard procedure in this industry?
I would love to see you add a decibel measurement portion to your reviews. How loud is it behind the gun where you ear is. There are phone app decibel meters. Thanks.
It’s interesting Gamo released the inertia driven magazine on the quiet. Perhaps they wanted to see how well it would be received by users / how well it would work in the real world before officially giving it the “Gen3i” model designation. They certainly confused me along the way.
As I've said BEFORE, love YOU'RE channel, I also love that gun!!!, problem is I can't find it anywhere!!, cabalas, bass pro, I had to settle for a wildcat whisper 22 cal, I'll tell you though, for$100 this thing is a beast!!!, worth EVERY penny!!
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Awesome review, it seems like the new one is considerably less hold sensitive than the old ones, thanks!
There is one sure fire way to hold a hold sensitive piston gun and shoot much better than we usually see on YT. As much as you can,---don't hold it. As much as you can, don't even touch it. :) For example, a but plate pad means nothing to me for a springer. I move the pressure off my shoulder and cheek before I pull the trigger. From my experience, if you hung the gun on 2 strings, and used a little electric motor to press the trigger, (mounted in the trigger guard), that would be the best way to shoot any springer. A nice soft short trigger really helps when you are not holding the gun. It should be the only force going into the stock that you have to deal with.
@@WRXXXual I got it as an exchange for my old swarm magnum from gamo. My old SM kept giving me pellet feed and velocity issues. So gamo offered me the gen 2 model. Had to show proof of purchase of the gen 1 model which luckily I had from Midway then add $20.00 to cover price difference. I had to wait 6 weeks though as the rifle was not ready for mass distribution. Finally got it and I've already blown through 2 scopes. (Sniper Optics and a discovery optics scope I like FFP scopes but none seem to be able to hold up.) Anyway, thats how I got this rifle. I think this rifle is slightly more powerful than the first gen SM.
Will, How is the accuracy on yours? I am just curious because mine is mind blowing. I never had any Gamo model shoot this good. I also can't believe how well those BSA Outlook scopes are holding up. Very reasonably priced and the best test is the recoil on these magnums. So far so good!
@@AirgunDetectives well I haven't tried those pointed H&N pellets but mine likes the RWS hollowpoints 14.2 gr, the H&N sniper lites 14.04 gr, the Crosman destroyers and hollowpoints 14.3 gr, the Hades hollowpoints 15.89 gr and slugs. All shoot very accurately. I can get dime groups at 50 yards no sweat with all of them. So yes this rifle has the complete package. Very lightweight, accuracy with extreme power for break barrel rifle. As far as the scopes go. I have ran through about 50 scopes since getting my GSM GEN 1. None seem to hold up, not even UTG scopes with my diana bullzeye mount. So I ordered the 4-12x44 model of the BSA scope on your video. Lets see how it preforms. I will let you know if your interested in my findings. Oh btw great review of the rifle.
I love My Gen 1 Swarm Magnum . I’m actually not too crazy about the new magazines ; but I do appreciate the open sights ... but I’m pretty gun at using the stick gun technique : Point and shoot... great video .
Hey JC, hope you and your family are safe, healthy and happy too. Is double feeding or triple feeding really that bad? I would think that if you double fed a 14.3 grain pellet it would be like shooting a 28.6 grain pellet from the muzzle but impacting with two 14.3 grain pellets. A triple fed would result in a 42.9 grain pellet from the muzzle but impacting with three 14.3 grain pellets. Maybe for hunting small game this application would end up being quicker than the gen 2 follow up shots. If it's not harmful to the rifle, can handle the back pressure, and not blow out the seal/o-rings, then you essentially would have a very hard hitting slug or hopefully with tight groups, or a two or three shot shotgun for small game at short distance. Anyway, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think that this would harm the gun or would it just be like shooting a heavier grain slug or a small shotgun? It would be nice to know what are the results, tight groups, higher FPE, and accuracy at distance would be awesome if it doesn't damage the gun. Stay safe, be well, and God bless.
Hi Ken, hope all is well👍As far as a double feed, that might be all right. The general rule is you never want too light of a pellet or too heavy of a pellet. The piston and seal is designed for a certain amount or resistance. That's why it's not good to dry fire nor is it good to have too much resistance. Beeman does make a double barrel that fires two pellets at the same time. I will review that one of these days. 😉👍
@@AirgunDetectives Hey JC, Thanks again for your prompt reply. I'm looking forward to seeing your review on that Beeman. Stay safe, be well, and God bless.
I just had a problem with the gun, after a week of shooting about 300 pellets. All the sudden, the fps was all over the place, (from 865fps to 806fps). I cleaned up the o-ring and breech surface, (which had oily/grime on it), and with a 15.89gr. pellet, shot a 910fps through the crony for the next shot. After a few more shots of decreasing fps, it was just all over the place. It can't be the piston seal with those results. The cocking effort has not changed either, still a workout. :) I think I figured it out. The seal is not an o-ring, but more of a sleeve that pulls out of its groove pretty easily. I am almost positive that the air pressure started blowing around the seal, (seal is in perfect shape), so I just sealed it with a little gasket sealer. Wanna bet this gun shoots about 915fps with a 15.89gt. pellet tomorrow? That is 29.5fpe. :) I will let you know the actual findings.
I did use brake cleaner on a Q-tip to clean the breech surface, (which could increase fps, but it evaporates fast), but was hard to reach still because of the multi shot cool system. I then blew the surface with compressed air for a few seconds before I shot it through the crony for the 910fps reading. Don't know for sure, but tomorrow with some more crony shots, I should know. I have my fingers crossed for a consistent 915 fps with the o-ring sleeve seal totally sealed. :)
@@EarthSurferUSA ok...first do not use any petroleum products near the breech because it damages the seals. Not sure how many rounds you have through the rifle? They always shoot higher in the beginning because of excessive lubricants in the assembly process which in turn causes some dieseling. They rifles eventually settle does after a few hundred shots. I would be happy with anything over 900 fps with a 15 gr pellet. 😉
I think I had something to do with the failure also. I cleaned the barrel, (maybe 100 shots earlier,) from the muzzle with a rod, brush/solvent and dry patches, but failed to clean the breech area after, (which had to be a mess for over 10 patches removing crud from the barrel.). I suspect the oil in that area migrated to the o-ring sleeve and saturated it enough to help air to pass through under this pressure.
@@AirgunDetectives OK, I think I figured out what happened. I was shooting about 865 fps with the 15.89gr. JSB pellet when the gun was brand new to maybe close to 150 shots before I cleaned the barrel. I cleaned the barrel with a rod, wire brush/solvent, and at least 10 dry patches, all from the muzzle end. The solvent and grime was on the breech face, and I did not see it because of the mag system, and I did not think of it, (my mistake). It was shooting great after that for about another 100 shots or so, then one day, the FPS was all over the place. That is when I noticed the grime on the breech face, and figured the air was blowing around the seal. I used brake cleaner on q-tips to remove the grime from the breech face, (hard to reach with the mag system. I should figure out how to remove it for cleaning), removed the seal, cleaned the seal groove with brake cleaner, (very carefully, not to get any on the plastic or in the compression chamber), put a tiny bit of gasket sealer on the bottom end of the o-ring/sleeve, installed it and let it cure for 2 days before shooting, (other than a handful of crony shots, because I got impatient). I now have consistent speeds again, but am now shooting the 15gr. pellet at 816 fps, (23.5fpe, a bit low). It turns out the 900fps was from some fumes of the brake cleaner, (which I used compressed air to dry, but some fumes must have amazingly existed). I did use some brake cleaner on the o-ring/sleeve to get the oil off it before I glued it in place, and that may have softened the rubber a bit, (plus the grime from the breech), and maybe why I am not getting close to 865fps anymore. I will order a new seal in effort to restore the 50fps I lost, but the gun is shooting very consistently again. Yea, 900 plus fps would have been nice, in fact ecstatically nice, but it was not to be. :) Hey, this is my 3rd break barrel gun. My fist is a Benji Titan .177 (16fpe), and then I had the .30 cal Hatsan, and this gamo barrel locks up better than both of those guns. The Gamo has zero side to side movement, and so little up and down movement, (hard to feel, it is so little), it as close to perfect as I think is possible. You have had many more Break Barrel guns than I have had,---how do you rate the lock up compared to the best you have had? This gamo has to be hard to beat for barrel lock up I would think. Your reviews are top notch. Thank you sir. PS, I would like to be introduced to that friend of yours in Michigan, (if he does retail), because if I start making products, I might be interested in selling them through him. Thanks again. Doug in Michigan.
Just before you introduced the BSA scope, I noticed you dropped the Bulls Eye ZR slide rail scope mount. :) Groups got better huh. :) Thanks for that scope information.
Yes sir…nothing like a beautiful lady to start off a video.👍🤷♂️💯 Thank goodness you did this review sir. I don’t want to spend 6-700$ on a HW 97 or a TX 200 and I definitely want a magazine. I trust your reviews 100%. This would be a better buy if they didn’t throw in the scope to be honest. Airgunners need parallax adjustment for maximum accuracy. Not a single scope from any manufacturers airgun package has this essential detail. They always throw in a decent scope to be fair, but subpar by far for what we need. This gun seems to do well with the Gamo Red Fire. I have a bunch, and they don’t shoot worth a damn past 35 yards in most of my PCPs that are not pellet picky for the most part. This may be my first, and only break barrel purchase. I love my PCPs to be honest, but I have that itch again to get another gun. You know how that is 😉 It maybe a great “beater airgun since most of my PCPs are 1-2k+$ so I would rather take this on the quad, or in the truck than my others. That said…my LCS SK-19 .25 is a TANK and the barrel is SO THICK…my current truck gun. I don’t feel comfortable leaving a 2K$ gun +1k in optics in the truck/heat/cold/dust/moister when I have to leave the truck…locked or unlocked to be honest. Anyway…this Gamo has Great accuracy and power for the money. I would feel a lot less stressed out having this hanging on the headrests of my truck thank my LSC and it will do the same thing honestly. Thank you sir. God bless. Happy New Year sir.
Would you recommend this as first and only air rifle if my only requirement is to control squirrel population in the large backyard. Looking for something that is easy to maintain, reliable, and easy to shoot with. Is Gamo well suited for this or a Diana?
Love the video! Was curious if you could post a detailed video showing how to clean the bore of the Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen2. Thanks again for the excellent video.
That was very informative. I'm curious how you feel about the lifetime durability (care & maintenance) of these feeders (horizontal or vertical) compared to single shot loading. Do you feel these things are solid and will last 10 years? Easy enough to replace if damaged/broken?
That Gamo Mag. Is a Beast But I.ve already Chosen the Xisico 702 177. with a full tune but when I get a 22. Oh wow man you've put me in quite a spot Between the Gamo Mag. and the xisico 705 Delux 22 that's going to be one hell of a choice to make.
If you have the air source go with the Xisico. No recoil and no heavy cocking effort :) Although, if you have the Gamo, heavy cocking effort, but no need for an air source. MMMM...my solution.... add them both to your collection over time :) The Gamo isn't out just yet so start with the 705.
Have you ever cronyed 20 shots, (or more), in a row to see the fps results? I picked up a second gun, cleaned the barrel properly, and ran a crony test with it, (with about 20 pellets shot through it). I found the gun was shooting about 30 or 40 fps faster near the end of the second magazine, (2 magazines in the test. 20 shots per pellet size), but it is cold here now, and the gun was in a heated garage, (brought back in the warm to reload the 2 magazines with the different pellet). I think, as I was shooting in the cold, (about 25 deg F.), the cylinder was getting colder and the air was colder, (being more dense). For example, for my second set of 20 shots, I used the 15.89 pellet. It started at 851.7fps and ended at 895.2 fps, (the last shot jumped up 20fps). I don't know if shooting 20 shots pretty quickly, that it is normal for a gun to increase fps, or if the gun needs more break in time, or if the cold air increased the fps. What would your more used gun do in the warm/consistent weather when blowing through 20 shots, (I am thinking 30 shots now)? That might be a good test for springer air guns. Both pellets seemed to jump up at least 10fps right away when the second magazine was loaded. If I had shot 30 shots, the fps might have gone up higher, as it was still on it's way up. Interesting to me. I don't like that big of a spread, but I will have fun trying to figure it out. I think a 30 shot crony blitz test would be good to add to air gun tests for springers. We might be surprised at the variance of some, (need to find out why), and what guns are consistent if any. BTW, my second gun has a barrel that locks up perfectly, (no slop up and down or side to side), and I can feel the trigger is a bit easier than my first gun out of the box.
Thanks for the video's, really like your systematic approach to evaluating each air gun. Just now shopping for an air gun and have settled on the Gamo because I really like the ability to not have to load each pellet. I have a EIG .177, yea it's an old gun I got from my Dad ... I'm 61 now, and trying to locate who made EIG is a challenge. Found an article on EIG .177 that showed the rifle but it wasn't an exact match of what I have. Said it was a Taiyo Juki. Rifle still shoots, but like you my eyes aren't as good as they used to be and iron sites are a challenge for me now. A LOT has changed in the break barrel wold since my early teens when I shot this rifle. I plan on using the rifle to both teach my grandsons how to shoot, and rid my 16 acre farm of pests that want to eat my garden, and a ground hog that has taken up residence under my barn. I've settled on a .22 Caliber model, and thinking the Gamo Whisper Fusion Mach I or Gamo Bone Collector are good choices. I'd like to get something my wife could also shoot. She shot the EIG .177 and liked it, but wouldn't want something with a difficult cocking action. The .177 would have an easier = less force to charge it. The Gamo web site shows all the .177's with a 30 lb cocking action, do you find this to be accurate? What would you suggest for something for her, and the grandsons (they are now 8, 5, 2 and 3 months :-)).
Hi Pete, Not sure how much you want to spend but take a look at the SIGASP20. That is my #1 favorite rifle in .22 caliber. Incredibly accurate, very easy to cock, barely over 30 lbs, powerful, and not pellet picky. Keep in mind both the .177 and the .22 have the identical bases. The only difference is the barrel diameter. The cocking effort is the same. If you like the idea of having a magazine look at my review on the Gamo Swarm Maxxim and I have a review coming out soon on the Swarm Bone Collector as well. Thanks for watching!!
Thanks for the quick reply. I watched the SIGASP20 video you made, and can see why you like it so much. It certainly tops the Maxxim with it's 818 FPS average and 23 FPE, with the Maxxim only hit an average of 775 FPS and 19 FPE. Neither seemed to be pellet picky, bu the Maxxim's 10 round clip really seals the deal for me. That and I'd have to buy a scope for the SIGASP20 as my wife's got a similar issue = glasses. I was also considering the Swarm Bone Collector, so I'll be very interested in learning what you think of that once your get an opportunity to review it. Thanks again for the awesome video's and unbiased reviews.
Well, I'd ordered the Gamo Magnum from the Air Gun Depot because on 6/20/2020 their web site showed they had them due in on 6/22/2020. I followed up on my order today only to learn it's back ordered, so I canceled my order. After reading your suggestion above about the Sig ASP20 I kept thinking I'd made the wrong call be ordering the Gamo Magnum, so with the back order status that sealed the deal. I'm now looking for a dealer in the area that caries Sig Air Rifles (learned that Sig Firearm dealers don't necessarily carry Sig Air Rifles) and will be getting a Sig ASP20. What scope would you recommend I get to put on it? I've still got the problem with my eyes and iron sites so a scope is a must. Thanks again for all the testing and reviews you do. After reviewing several Air Rifle You Tube sites, I still like yours the best!!!
@@petenelson8136 welcome to my world as far as vision. As far as the ASP20 go with the .22 caliber. Look on line and you should be able to find a sale. That was the best move!! The Sig is worth the money. As far as scopes I have been really liking these BSA Outlook series amzn.to/2NCs7o5 Very durable, clear optics and amazingly affordable. keep me posted :)
I had to find out. I just had to. The gun did not set off Tannerite at 30 yards. 15.89gr. Hades pellet did not go through the tightly packed 1/2lb target/jar. Bummed at no BOOM, but I just had to. :)
@@AirgunDetectives If I would have watched some vids first with pellet guns and Tannerite, I would have found out Tannerite makes a "rim fire" mix also, that is more sensitive to rim fire .22 rifle bullets. According to those vids, this pellet gun will set off the rim fire Tannerite, but not the original stuff.
Its would be awesome to maybe have a long range segment. Something maybe like with a target at 40ft, 60, 80, and 100 feet to see how the rifles and ARs perform at greater distances. And where individual guns top out for an accurate shot
"If we lie to our neighbor, we undermine the very trust we need for a civil society." (Ayn Rand) You lied to us with a covid scam, (and a couple little things involving honest reviews that I, as a better detective, had caught), so I don't trust or respect you anymore. Well done sir. You earned my animosity. That was my "farewell" speech.
If you are wondering how good of a hunting gun this is, after looking through the Pyramyd Air catalog just sent to me, and assuming all fps ratings are done with alloy pellets for faster advertised fps, this gun makes more fps/fpe than any other .22 cal. air gun in that catalog, by far. That includes al PCP .22 cal. guns in the catalog. This gun claims 1300fps for a .22, and almost all other guns have a hard time breaking 1000fps for the .22. Yes, I was very surprised.
Great review, just purchased the BSA Scope and Hornet ammo based on your review. Waiting for the gun to reach the suppliers. Do you use a laser bore sight to sight your guns in? I find it takes all the guess work out of it, still have to fine tune it at the range but the bore sights really get it close.....
Even at a short 20 yards, (personally, I don't like 20 yard accuracy tests very much), that is a nice tight group. I would not be surprised with practice, a 80 yard group may not be much bigger. How well does that pellet fly at further yardage? It is quite common to have great pellets to 40 yards (for example), but further than that and the pellet loses its stability. I know if I am accurate at 80 yards with this gun, I will be accurate at 20. You can almost never go the other way. :) You make good vids sir. Doug in Michigan
Only 1 comment - why not keep backing up on the target until you can't keep it in the bull? That would be important also (and not just for this rifle). You - and all others - only shoot at "standard yardage". Keep backing up to get maximum range accuracy
It just depends on the day I would say it is 50/50...Just like anything else I have good days and bad days of shooting. It depends on the wind, how steady I can be etc. You just hope it all comes together on camera. I have to say, this Gamo completely surprised me. I have never seen a Gamo shoot like this one. Thanks for tuning in👍😉
So now my gun is not shooting consistent again. Just shooting more shots with the 15.89gr. pellet, with no additional maintenance, I have a 60fps difference again, but they are in 2 groups of three. I ran out of the domed 15.89, and started shooting the 15.89 Hades, (should be the same FPS). With no changes to the gun, I just shot a 911/917/912 through the crony. 3 more shots, after a few min break, gave me 855 ish + or - about 3fps). Yesterday for a few shots through the crony with the 15.89 domed pellet, it was shooting about 815fps. Either something is leaking intermittently, (piston seal or the o-ring), or the crony is malfunctioning. But I know now, if there is nothing wrong with the crony, (and I try to shoot parallel to the censors as well as I can), this gun is capable of over 900fps with a 16gr. pellet. Any idea on how to test a crony? So I am having an issue with the gun. Big deal. I enjoy the challenge, and I would really love to figure out how to best 900fps and keep it there. :) After those shots, I am almost positive it is possible. :)
I think the new targets are good during the sight in process so that you can see the impact point but for purposes of your review I like the old targets where you could see the holes more defined. The splatter on these makes it hard to tell where the pellet actually went.
I agree...especially this rifle they were all basically going through the same hole. I will try them for the next several reviews and please continue the feedback. We can always go back to the original paper targets. Thanks again for the comments and I appreciate you watching :)
Advertised at 1600fps for .177 and 1300fps for .22, you will not find a more powerful .177 or .22 even in a PCP, so I don't think you can find a more capable .22 for pests. My .22 magnum will be here any day, and I am going to try to set off some tannerite with it.
i was dead set on the magnum but after watching this video and maybe another one of yours on this gun, if memory serves me correct, you really have me worried about using this gun primarily for target practice, as far as cocking effort goes. im definitely not weak but i have major back problems. after a couple hours of reading about other gamo models (dont ask me why im hung up on gamo's) i have pretty much narrowed it down to the swarm fusion gen 2. seems like it has all the features i wanted from the magnum just less power. unfortunately the price isnt much less but the cocking effort is. i mean after all i didnt necessarily want a gun that could go strait through a have sheet of plywood from 30 yards, not to great for target practice.really wanted the swarm maxxim gen 2 since its a good $80 cheaper than the fusion but no open sights on the maxxim so thats a deal breaker.
The problem with .177 pellets it’s that sense they’re light they will obviously go quicker but will do less dmg. Accuracy can be a very slight problem from what I’ve experienced, I think it might just the wind resistance affecting it more or something.
@@piggybackedfromapizzadough5727 How about a heavy .177 pellet, like a 15 grain. Smaller diameter should better penetrate through air and the target. Some .177 barrels however are not designed for the heavier/longer pellets and could end up losing energy and accuracy.
