It kinda looks like a Romulan bird-of-prey from the rear. I don’t know if this was intentional, but it fits nicely with the implied 23rd century alliance between the Romulans and the Klingons.
There was always the fact that when B’rel first did show up in search for Spock The enemy for that was originally Romulans. It’s been theorized that given the bridges design it was actually originally stolen from the Romulans by the Klingons edit: i think i meant to say bridges instead of barrels. i blame voice to text.
"What Klingons call a scout ship, other will call a Battlecruiser." - Andorian saying. :) Really nice design, I could easily see this in a Star Trek series. Suggestion: Maybe design some Andorian ships - I think Andorians didn't get enough love in the series so far...
@@ChesterRico There is a second, I believe as part of the Andorian fleet in ENT Kir'shara, but it is a CG model that got used for a few ships, just "repainted" for Andorian service, so really isn't anything special to the Andorians www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alphabeta_ships1.htm www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/andorian-cruiser2-screen.jpg
This is a beautiful TOS Bird of Prey type design. In real life there were "glass cannon" battle cruisers that were extremely dangerous if they fired first, but could not survive a fight with actual battleships. A lightly armored ship with A lot a firepower would be a perfect Klingon design
in naval cricles these ships are refered to more as "large cruisers" or "cruiser killers" as their sort of 'subtype' of the battlecruiser, heavier battlecruisers designed to actually win fights with rival capital ships did exist (HMS Hood is a good example of one)
Well, technically speaking, battlecruisers ARE scouts. Incredibly heavy scouts, yes, but still scouts. After all, both the British and German navies employed their battlecruisers as scouting elements ahead of the main fleet body during the First World War. The Battle of Jutland, for example, saw Admiral Beatty's Battlecruiser Fleet operate as an advance guard and scouting force for Admiral Jellicoe's Grand Fleet while Admiral Hipper's battlecruiser-led Scouting Force served the same role for Admiral Scheer's High Seas Fleet. The high speed and powerful armament of battlecruisers actually make them excellent scouts, since they are able to steam ahead of the fleet with the more traditional scouts, such as light cruisers and destroyers, while maintaining enough firepower to fight for information and draw the enemy into an unfavorable match up with the main force.
True and if this ship is really the Klingon equivalent of a heavy scout ship, perhaps along the lines of a German Moltke-class or Seydlitz it would explain why the Klingons considered the Constitution-class to be a battlecruiser as if this ship has a heavier emphasis on armor and speed over fire power and speed to the federation equivalent then taking on The Enterprise one on one would be a tricky problem, not impossible is the Germans proved but without Admiral Beatty‘s inexplicable choice not to fire at long range, well most times he who fires first with the biggest gun wins.
Sounds like you guys think of kingons as having the same scouting mentality as House Steiner from BattleTech, who are memetic in sending 100 ton Atlases as a scout lance, when the 'mech is not remotely intended for that role.
The planned American Lexington-class battlecruisers were also intended to be the core of a 35-knot scouting force as well, accompanied by the Omahas and the Clemsons.
@@exilestudios9546 I think that's a translation or Earth/Federation designation - much like in the Cold War the Soviet names and NATO designations were different
@@A407RAC see i thought that too and discovery season 1 even seemed to confirm that when a ship that was clearly not a classic D7 but was roughly the same size was classified as such by a shuttle computer and then is season 2 that gets thrown out the window when l'rell shows off the iconic D7 as we know it and calls it a D7 in plain english
@@shinyagumon7015 it's one of those things that gives you headaches like how usually the translator ignores proper nouns, and huge swaths of klingon just for the sake of flavor, anytime you can guess what a word means from context, translator is like 'nah let's leave that untranslated' and additionally, when a non-klingon KNOWS a few words of klingon and speaks them, the klingons listening are aware the translator is not currently doing that... so.. ummm.. hey look over there! Chronotons!
There are a lot of fasa designs as well. Just search up fasa Clingon ships on Google or yt. Resurrected starships I'd a yt channel that goes over se of them.
@@zetoboogaloo8802 Those are all era-specific though. Like the Negh’Var and Laneth’s ship. The backbone stays through it all. Plus, most of the FASA ships are kind of bland or over-done.
It's a glorious day to Live when EC Henry uploads another mystery ship video! I like your design here, it's both sleek while also retaining that model look we all love from TOS.
I would love to see a CGI version of the original C design. I love how it looks as is, but the original concept art is such a perfect bridge between D and B.
great design, fits in beautifully with established design language. While not a "mystery" ship, the SS Aurora from TOS "Journey to Eden" feels like fertile ground for a re-interpretation. while the ship was meant to be a Federation civilian transport, the original model was the very alien Tholian ship, just backwards and with a pair of warp nacelles attached. the Remastered version used a modification of the J-type freighter created for the Remaster of "Mudd's Women" (i don't recall if in the original version of "Mudd's Women" had the ship as anything more than a point of light). i'd love to see a redesign of the Aurora keeping the Tholian kitbash silhouette but made out more in line with Federation ascetics.
I really like it. Looks a little valdore-influenced with the bridge section. I can kinda see it as being a common ancestor to the later Romulan ships (perhaps in addition to the D7s, the Romulans got a few of these as part of the klingon-romulan alliance in TOS)
I remember reading somewhere the Klingons in TOS acquired cloaking from the Romulans. This design fits nicely into that with it's upcurved wings mirroring the TOS Romulan bird of prey.
That is really a great ship, doesn't just looks good, it is also a design where the very first thought is "Klingon", even tho you have never seen it before.
If Star Trek ships are well documented, I think best thing for you to do is to design your own post TNG era ship taking inspiration from the existing ships, like you did with the pre TOS Pacific ships. That would be really cool to see on the channel. When I say post TNG I mean anything from the day the Galaxy class was brand new up to 32nd Century.
This looks SO good! Have you thought of looking at the animated series? They’ve referenced some ships that we haven’t seen and there are two dimensional images that are never seen from any other angle. I did a lot of work on the SS Bonaventure (which was used for inspiration in the original Doug Drexler Enterprise design and then the later non-canonical refit)
@@MichaelEllisYT The best place to find deep background ships would be to look through the memory alpha "unnamed ships" pages. There are a number of ships that weren't even real "ships" but just part of matte paintings meant to fill out the background. For example there was a rocket/shuttle on a launch ramp on the top of Methuselah's castle in TOS. A lot of the "ship of the week" designs in Voyager are barely visible and their original CGI models have been lost, so that's something you can look into too.
Amazing work as always EC. Honestly, it makes sense. What you have can be looked at as both a scout ship and a cruiser (basically a heavy scout ship or light cruiser design). In ST Online, and every other ST game, there are always sets of Klingon ships that are mid rim vessels that have the Bird of Prey or D7 Cruiser coupled together. It can be easily argued that this ship class fulfills both roles to certain extents.
When I was a kid I had some TOS on VHS and among others I had Balance of Terror and Friday's Child and I am around 70% sure that the Klingon ship is the shape of a Romulan Bird of Prey but given that neon colouring to hide it.
I really like this design! However, I always thought the ship was simply wedge shaped with an upper and a lower engine protruding from the aft. I didn't like the remasters replacing it with a cgi D-7!
especially not as we clearly saw a (vaguely) wedge-shaped small Klingon vessel in Enterprise's "Bounty", I really considered this to be the canon explanation for the "glowing shape" ship we saw in the 60ies.
Your imaginative skills are truly off the chart. That rando blur that TOS used on screen looked impossible to actually visualize in 3D, but geezus, you pulled it off and made it 100% believable as to what it actually was. Fantastic!!!! Thank you!
The WWII ship USS Alaska is listed in various sources as a cruiser, heavy cruiser, armored cruiser, battle cruiser, or carrier escort cruiser. Just an example that ships might be simultaneously referred to by a variety of designations. Also some ships are simultaneously referred to both as a class based on their construction and weaponry, and also by what role the play in the fleet. That later designation would even change when the ship is reassigned to new duties. The long and short being that there have been many instances of a ship being referred to as a scout and a cruiser simply by different people during the same conversation.
you did very good here; my 6 year old who cant quite read the titles to the videos identified your ship as a klingon ship without being told it was even a star trek ship because it just looks like a klingon ship. I'm so proud of him
Love it! And it bridges the whole Romulan / Klingon bird of prey issue. The upturned 'wings' make it look like it was a Klingon take on the Romulan bird of prey.
Thanks! This is great work! I love how it looks both unique and yet looks consistent with the Klingon design, and the TOS era designs as well, with simple shapes windows.
Really neat design! Love the reasoning and deductions behind it, and it's nice to see more "grey-era" Klingon ships. If you ever want new mystery ships, hit me up for some nuBSG info. I've documented ships in the show that the VFX guys have to refuse to acknowledge are there.
You know... It could actually _be_ a TOS-era Bird of Prey; although it never really shows up often in the TV shows, because there is no real reference to what is up in space, they could be seeing a bird of prey that is upside down in relation to them. Therefore, Bird of Prey. 😁
True, there is no absolute reference to what is up or down in free space. But things are arbitrarily oriented certain ways on screen in film & television. It's the common writing convention and the common audience expectation. It's even been a tactically decisive element in TOS and TNG (and their movies) a few times.
Nice work fitting the design into the hazy outline seen onscreen! And nice design, period. The Matt Jefferies design language for what a Klingon ship should look like speaks quite clearly to me in your creation.
This is something I like people to look more into, background ships for other scifi. So here's another; the "steam runner" class vessels seen in the Enterprise series. I think we know they're actually probably just the 3d models for the Steamrunner Class being reused but I've been having thoughts that maybe it's a little closer than expected. Thinking this if you remember the NX Class is an idea used later for the Akira Class to some sources. As for this TOS ship, it fits and it's nice to have more of that fleet filled out. Unsure how you'd do the others from that series though.
Wait, where do we see a steam runner model is Enterprise? I never noticed it, are you sure you're not mistaking it for the nova, dauntless or prometheus class ships we see at the battle of ptocyon 5?
Man, you are one of the only guys right now that is making decent sci-fi content. Everyone else seems to just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks; whereas you clearly think everything through so it's actually believable.
I love TOS D-7 battle cruiser and have always found other Klingon ship designs underwhelming compared to it, with a few exceptions. Your design impressed me and I think it's truly worthy of being next to the D-7. Well done.
I love "Friday's Child" for its production history too: a demonstration of what elements might have gone into the revision of Klingons over the years. In that episode, the representative Klingon swears that his people are honor-bound warriors who admire strength in battle above all else... _but you're not meant to believe him._ Instead, he's playing a role meant to cozy up to a non-Klingon culture that seems a lot closer to the revised, _Next Generation_ Klingons than the Klingon in "Friday's Child" does.
That's bloody beautiful! I love TOS and the designs and I love the Klingon Bird of Prey and seeing you make what's basically a TOS Bird of Prey is amazing! I love it! Easily my new favourite Klingon ship! CBS/Paramount needs to hire you full time. Not just making the occasional phenomenal ship for STO, but get you to make them ships for TV shows and movies. Because I honestly think Disney should also want you for Star Wars too. But this is my new favourite thing and I want to own a physical model like an Eaglemoss of it 😍
You did a great job with this model. It looks fantastic and fits so well with established canon that I didn't realize you made it up until halfway through the vide.
5:24. as far as i am aware the two Steamrunner class ships that appear in the background of ENT's Stormfront have no explanation and might be worth trying to give a canonically friendly makeover. alternatively the original run of Battlestar Galactica is full of barely held together hardly seen models that could do with some love I tried my hand at making both but this was 2 years ago and i was moslty winging it when it came to 3d modelling. if anyone is curious as to my results here's the links for them (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CBwEu92I9D0.html and www.artstation.com/artwork/xzaPKE)
150 ish meters is right in line with a later B'rel BoP. Part of the issue is the D7 is quite a small warship compared to most others, which fits the klingon aesthetic at least, with few comforts and cramped living conditions akin to a submarine vs a luxury yacht. STO has 3 main divisions of Klingon ship design, Birds of Prey, Raptors, and Cruisers, and I think you nailed it here calling this ship an early Raptor.
This design you came up with is really nice, but for some reason I all ways find it funny how we look at up and down in space like it’s an absolute thing that is derived from the view of the camera. If you imagine that the ship on screen is simply upside down, suddenly, it is very easy to fit a more conventional Klingon design into that Silhouette. Still very nice job on the model, I think it’s really awesome.
That is just an excellent design. Beautiful but still obviously Klingon and still hinting at the 60's design. I'd love to see more of these "old fleet" ideas if you have any!
I always interpreted the pulsating glow as the deflector shields being up. Deflector shields are supposed to be made of magneto-plasma, and that stuff definitely glows when sufficiently energized.
Not only does this fit beautifully with the artistic styling of the ToS era, but it absolutely oozes "I am Klingon!" in its aesthetic. Masterfully done. And all this from a basic shape...
That is an absolutely lovely looking ship and fits in so well as a smaller, lighter counterpart to the D7, sort of like an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer is a Ticonderoga-class cruiser, (well sort of as the former is now almost as big as the latter), perhaps the MEKO 100 and MEKO 200 are a better comparison. It showcases something you never see in TOS, and that isn't really addressed in later Trek series either, the idea that space fleets in the Star Trek universe aren't just composed of a single do-all class of starship. In TOS we only see the Constitution class, the D7 and the Warbird, we never get to find out if the Federation, the Klingons or the Romulans have smaller vessels for doing the more mundane everyday stuff that must go on for space faring civilisations such as border and anti-piracy patrols, search and rescue and just cruising around colony systems waiting for stuff to go wrong. It would make no sense to use powerfull long range cruisers like the Enterprise for this sort of stuff so Star Fleet must have frigate and corvette equivilants and so must the other powers. It also raises the issue of whether there are larger ships than the Constitutions are well, say like the infamous three nacelled Dreadnought. I know Roddenberry wanted the Federation and Star Fleet to be a bunch of peace loving explorers but let's face it, the Trek verse is a dangerous place full of conflict and potential aggressors. Having a few heavily armed battleships on hand to protect your planets makes a lot of sense.
I really like the way you think and how it applies to your designs. I always feel pretty good when I see your best guesses. Please keep it up! One thing about the scout ship versus battle cruiser that seems pretty obvious to me is that the Klingons must simply be lying. They call their best cruiser a scout ship to imply that their battle cruiser must be much bigger and more powerful. It’s a bluff. I think this ship is their battle cruiser. It’s like saying “oh the Enterprise? This is just a generic shuttlecraft, we have thousands of them. As you can clearly see this is number 1701. Wait until you see our battleships!”
That looks incredible! You did a great job coming up with a TOS style Raptor class ship. Definitely fits with a remastered TOS and only wish they'd put this in the episode now.
The thing that's really so truly brilliant about this design is that it lends some explanation to the confusion around both the Romulans and the Klingons having "Birds of Prey" but with different hull designs. The Romulans of course have their "saucer plus nacelles" design, while the TNG-era B.o.P. has its stark green body and downward-angled wings. This TOS-like design looks like it perfectly sits between the eventual evolution to the TNG era Bird of Prey (at least keeping its lines, even if this is meant to be a scout ship) while also looking distinctly adjacent to the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey, as if the Romulans saw this design and approached the Klingon shipwrights to say "great ship, but can you make the middle a saucer?" and got their own design with the "Bird of Prey" name as a result. Amazing stuff. Love the design.
The Bird of Prey has been one of my favorite ships in all of sci-fi since I first saw it in Start Trek 3 back in the 80s. I REALLY like your design for a ToS Bird of Prey.
Never knew how badly I needed a TOS bird of prey until now. Shame we don't have one in STO, but then again you've already contributed a good many amazing designs to that game already.
Awesome work. Love seeing your Trek vessels. I'd love to see you explore vessel design for a species we haven't necessarily seen many vessels from before. You have such a great eye for this!
This is a fabulous and faithful extrapolation that, if I were not a total Trekkie, you could have convinced me was a canon creation in the TOS remaster. Qapla'! Always enjoy your content, especially the Trek related stuff. Would love to see you tackle the Stargate and Babylon 5 franchises. Stay awesome!
This is a really nice piece of work! It definitely keeps the design aesthetic of the Bird of Prey from the movies onward, calls back to the D-7 Heavy Cruiser, and fits in with the idea of being a destroyer- or frigate-type hull; my money would be on the latter, but the former would also fit with the "scout" idea and the Klingon mindset. Nice work all around!
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Klingon mystery ship as in "Friday's Child" and I truly liked your designs of the ship that it truly could be indeed Sir!👌.
PS: I would love to see a video showing just how _HUGE_ the K'tinga class D-7 replacement truly is. I don't think people realize how massive it is. It is _not_ a 1:1 remodel or replacement of the D-7. It can be hard to judge the true size going by the windows on the front, as the Enterprise saucer section clearly shows there are 2 levels (ie 2 rows of windows, with the Rec room in the rear port side of the ship clearly being 2 stories/levels in height). To go by a similar judgement, you can either measure the size via the windows on the crest above the pod, which to judge by the windows has 5 levels (2 rows of windows seperated by solid sections equal in size) or the 2 rows of windows that encircle the pod right above the photon torpedo/plasma generator. I would think that the 2 rows of windows on the pod are a sensor array (to make up for the lack of a sensor dish where the photon torpedo launcher is located), so you can go with the crest. But there is a more definitive way of measuring the true size by looking closely at the shuttle bay in the rear. Right above the shuttle bay doors is an observation deck. If that deck has to be at least 10 feet in height (ie one story), one can deduce the true size of the ship from there. Just google "K'tinga rear detail" EDIT: looking at various model shots, it looks like the windows on the pod above the photon torpedo bay are consistent with the lights/levels on the crest as well as the main body, so it appears that those are indeed 2 levels above the photon torpedo bay.
This rocks! Been a Trek fan since the early '70s and it's never occurred to me to consider a TOS style Klingon BOP. And I realllly appreciated the parallels to ENT's 'Raptor' as well. Kudos and Q'apla to EC Henry!
I love the way your Brain works. This design is great! From the back it looks like the love child of a Romulan Bird of Prey from the Era and that of a Movie Klingon Bird of Prey. And if you remember your lore of the Trek these two Empires once shared Navel tech, Making this ship fit even better.
I think the dual-classification of both "Scout Ship" and "Battlecruiser" is actually a Klingon doctrinal difference. Knowing Klingons, I find it totally plausible that they adhere to the idea of "Extreme Force Recon", and consider a Scout to be a spearhead to strike deep into enemy territory, look around, and then make a fighting retreat to report their findings.
It's always a highlight for me, to see a video of yours! It's such a great Klingon designe, just astonishing how you were able to think of it with only that scratch as reference
