THE PALE BLUE EYE Ending & Twist Explained! 

I liked it, especially the acting by the two main actors.

Tbh. I didn't realize he didn't jump until you said something 🤣

Director said he didn’t jump, for anyone wondering

Remarkable that he played Dudley Dursley in the Harry Potter films!

He's terrific as Edgar

fell in love with Melling here. def looking out for more of his future work

@@frishdawgz have you had the chance to see him in Buster Scruggs or the Queen’s Gambit yet? He was incredible in those.

@@cosa_oscura Scruggs needs a rewatch and QG is on my short list after being pleasantly surprised by Anya in The Menu.

My thoughts as well! Landor is very reminiscent of the kinds of characters Poe was known to write. He was known for writing murderers that try justifying their actions within their heads, though in Landor's case he was arguably more sympathetic than Poe's usual murderous characters, and was also well known for his detective characters (especially with C. August Dupine).

And Poe told Landor that if he meant to kill every person that had make him suffer half the school would've been death...i think that was a nice clue/foreshadowing about them

Poe wasn't in fact alcoholic. There are many theories. He may or may have not drank more from time to time depending on his life circumstances, but his image is surrounded by myths nowadays. Rufus Griswald has to do with all of that. He is to blame for many things. I just needed to say it. Don't take this as mean or anything like that! Not at all! I like to share my investigations. If you ever have the chance (or the wants) take a further look at the writer's life. You will find many things. 😁

Yes! That was such a heartfelt moment and shows how much he has grown to care for Poe

This!! I was astonished by the cast while watching the film, i totally get what you mean

It felt like a real movie because it felt both fresh and authentic. The amount of research needed to write a period authentic dialogue must have been massive.

Perfectly justified killing those 3 men

Your first sentence, regarding motive, is spot on. Even though I had read the novel years ago, I had either forgotten this "clue", or had missed it altogether during my first watch (I've now watched it five times--for so many "Easter eggs", etc.). Currently, I am re-reading Bayard's novel for these details, and others, and have found that much of the film dialog is word for word from the novel which says to me that certain elements were prized for their dramatic effect, script-wise. While reading, I sense none other than the presence of Bale's Landor, and Melling's Poe; these two actors literally inhabit the characters they play, bringing life to mere words, overriding any images or thoughts regarding them during prior readings.

Any other good suggestions

I thought it was great as well

From Hell with Johny Depp. And a TV series called The Alienist season 1.

@@michaelxie4084 from hell is great! I was thinking of "the ninth gate" as well

@@michaelxie4084 thanks happpy holidays and happy new year!

In the book, Landor's writing the book as a 'confession' of sorts shortly before he kills himself. He ends it by claiming that a mysterious individual some time after the events of the main story sent him a newspaper clipping of Stoddard being found hanged, with the implication being that Poe eventually hunted him down and murdered him.

@@terragthegreat175 Thank you. I am now re-reading the novel; so much I had forgotten from when it first came out.

@@ThymeBottle I get that the siblings were not murders as they just used the dead body to get the heart but surely they were going to kill Poe and that’s why they also justified to die right?

@@nancyjones5971 When no more dead bodies were to be utilized, and with officials suspecting, and classmates skeptical of the odd Mr. Poe, it must have seemed right in the siblings' minds to dispense with him, to let others believe him to have become a victim of the madman at large. I feel that Artemus, however, was on to Poe's connection with Landor, whom he was wary of, and this bolstered his decision to whittle on the poet/cadet as his sister's seizures became more frequent. Lucy picked Poe's brain for details about the occult, how much he may have been involved with it, and this satisfied her desire to use him as she, herself, was so entrenched in it. She saw in him a naïve Romantic and a "lamb to the slaughter", the virginal component such blood-letting rituals demanded.

@@terragthegreat175oh interesting, I didn’t their was a book.

💁‍♂️SORRY……? The movie was stupid ..

Yea I don't know how this needs an explanation. Guess desperation for views and likes is what the kids need now

Oh if you know my friends from high school, they only don't need explanation, but a detailed analysis of the movie before they understand this. Lmao

The vid indeed stated the obvious but why would Landor get the note off fry in front of everyone and ask Poe to investigate it?

None of these videos even explain anything beyond what film provides. They’re more of a synopsis more than anything.

This was filmed where I live in western Pennsylvania. LIved here all my life and never realized how beautiful this area looks in wintertime.

Poe was very much critical of a 'national literature' which he felt was limiting, jingoistic, and didactic. Known as "The Tomahawk Man" for his often scathing, cutting, critiques of contemporaneous American writers (those being 'puffed' by fellow writers, editors, and publishers in exchange for literary favors, particularly met his ire--Rufus W. Griswold, as prime example), he purposely left the settings in many of his own tales ambiguous, and often seemingly European. In doing so, he felt that American literature would garner a greater, worldwide appreciation--monetarily, not excluded--rather than die on the vine in the United States in ignominy or disregard. He may have been considering, too, his legacy, or immortality among the great works of literature. Conversely, at the time that he was championing copyright laws in the United States and abroad (he sided with Dickens on this matter, and asked his help with British publishers, which was not forthcoming for various reasons, one of which is found in their mutual correspondence), publishers in the United States were literally stealing literary works from British and European authors for print in their magazines and books; meanwhile, the same was being done abroad to American authors, including Poe, which is why Baudelaire and other French authors became so familiar with and influenced by Poe's works. Most of this foreign adulation came, unfortunately, after Poe's untimely death; he profited very little from his literary efforts, here and abroad, during his short lifetime.

hope you also watched "The prestige"

@@Ryan-vt2re Yes I did. I do love that one, too. Thank you for reminding me.

Colonel: i believe we have one a stay of execution Landor:No, colonel But why?? Landor will continue killing the cadets to satisfy his killing spree.

How many drinks?

@@oli.y just enough to make it weird

The job wasn’t over because 1 got away

​@@jjjyli686 He did say he doesn't have the power and will anymore as an old man. In the books, before he die, he did receive a news from mysterious source that Stoddard was found dead hanging himself, with the implication it was Poe who finished the deed.

I thought batman isn't supposed to kill

Bane broke his body, the cadets broke his mind

I think there are just plotholes. It's confusing because Poe's character was going to be part of the ritual as a sacrifice. Meaning the first ritual would've also required a sacrifice. I don't see how the first ritual was done since they only had his heart and nobody in the movie was murdered by them. Only Ballinger and Artemus were murdered, and it was committed by Landor. And also I thought they needed an animal not eaten by Christians, the heart of unbaptized child and the heart of a unhanged man. Idk maybe they only needed one of those 3 to qualify? But then why did they need a sacrifice? Either it's a huge plothole, or Lea was just crazy and dumb and thought she was doing it correctly when she wasn't.

Another clue to Landor's guilt (that Poe probably didn't notice due to the situation he was in at the time) was that Landor actually says "is that Fry's heart?" when he busts them mid ceremony. I don't know why Poe was considered an acceptable sacrifice but there may have been more to it than the short exerpt we were given from the book. I suppose any human would do though really, as we're not animals eaten by christians.

The heart they used in the final ritual attempt is Fry's, Landor only tore out Ballinger's heart to make it seems like a work of satanist/witches. He probably threw the heart away.

@@zackjackson397 What bothers me is Poe defending Lea at the end with all the 'they will not be forgotten' talk and love this and that... like... dude, they WERE GOING TO KILL YOU.

@@yazr1712 they also didn't do a good job conveying how much time they spent together. One meaningful conversation and that's it. While Landor had multiple and saved his life twice.

?????? He was trying to protect lea

@@braq9775 why didn’t he say “that wasn’t us”

Because the script is bad

​@@Redacted724 i mean if there is a detective who you know knows the jig is up for you first instinct is to take the blame rather than plead innocent. Better have your sick sister be clean for good rather than always marked as suspicious for your entire family (especially when they were ready to kill Poe)

I think what artemus meant was taking the heart and rituals was his idea not the notes and killing..

Both killings were done by Batman, he confesses that to Poe. The siblings took out the first heart (of Fry) and he took out the second heart (Ballinger's)

He did both. He only admitted to the second being sloppy because he copied what happened to the first body. The first victim he killed had his body scavenged and he replicated it but as he said it was hard for an old man.

I was wondering the same

he let go the ribbon thats mean he let go the memory of her daughter, if he kill him self he will hold the ribbon

Plot-wise, no not really. Both have Poe assisting a detective with his enquiries but other than that there's not much similarity in the plot or the killers. I like both films and think they feel like they both exist in the same world.

I think they’re also throwing in a bid for providing the inspiration for “The Fall of the House of Usher”, among other Poe “Easter eggs”.

Dudley Dursley

No

Yes

Whichever actor. I really enjoyed his performance.

So did he jump then?

From Fry's hand (dead body).

@@DL_2021 I meant how did Landor get the note to Fry in the first place to set up the meeting?

@@StevenCulp-dh5vs he might have sneaked into the academy and placed the note near fry's location or he instructed someone to give fry the letter.

Good point though. Another detail I found quite contradictory is when poe said at the end that lea and arthemis didn’t intend to kill anyone, all they wanted was their hearts for the rituals but you (landor) you killed. When actually lea and her brother were about to kill poe to get his heart, does that not make them murderers?

They had found the place of the rituals before to Landor knew where it would be made.

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In the 1800s, even being seen with a man alone as a woman ruined you and your family 's reputation. So it didn't really matter if the men did or didn't. In "Pride and Prejudice", Lizzy running off with her bf, unmarried, is enough to ruin every sister's option to get married. Ridiculous by today's standards.

@@healinggrounds19 That was Lydia, not Lizzy.

Glad the the father took matters in his hands. Raping his daughter that's what a real father do stands up for his daughter and hold those guys responsible

@@cami.42 he ended being the villain , those 3 could've rotted in prison for the rest of their lives, all he had to do is go to the Colonel.

@@grandcanyon-fu9zt who’s to say those men wouldn’t have been punished and left off the hook.

Right ! The movie sounds so good yet everyone keeps saying it’s bad so idk what to do

@@chicken1456 Watch it. Life is full of regrets anyway. What difference will one more make.

@@TheNinjaMarmot tru tru 🤝🏾

Just watched it and loved it 🤷🏻‍♂️

That's crazy because I thought it was pretty solid and I don't usually watch movies like these

Just ritualist murderers, since they've killed Poe if Landor didn't save him.

It's a movie, coincidences are a great part of any plot and the two stories meeting was a great aspect of the script not a demerit.

@@rafaelbrisolara7599 yes in younger people eyes only . we all know the world are having huge lack of scenareest of Screenwriters . thats a big gab .and thats why everyone say why we have lousy movies these days.

One of the main characters is a simp who almost died for a woman that used him, and after it was confessed they were innocent of the actual killings he still defended her even though they were ready to murder him for real. Kinda "woke" behaviour to just show the occultist family as innocent because Poe loved a girl. Or whatever "woke" means anymore.

Oh I know right? I’m so sick of this “woke” casting bullshit. It’s ruined like every single show/movie it touches

because you are racist,sexist and homophobic lmao all movies have been with out that for years.

UR gay

Nigga is that a TV 😭😭😭

Yeah God forbid there's diversity and women lead roles in a movie right 🙄

If you had been raped by three people at the same time, maybe life wouldn't be as much pleasant

It's a movie

As he revenged for daughter's death, he felt complete his duty and must to leave this miserable life

People die. Clothing is dyed.

He did not jump at the end

that was my initial thought, but then I keep watching it until the end and boy was my expectations wrong. It certainly became interesting after that

Had you expected a film including the character of Edgar Allen Poe NOT to include elements of occult practices (it is never shown that anything supernatural IS actually happening after all)? Really? I was rather surprised with The Raven having so little of it.

@@sorscha1308 I don't have an issue with the intention, but I felt the execution was very poor and couldve been handled alot better. Felt very tacky and I also found Gillian Andersons acting kinda lame for this period as well. Was definitely a weak point to the movie for me

It's 8.5/10 movie

@@sorscha1308 mfs don’t read

We only have Landor's word that he disappeared.

That's life. "I just hope he always has to look over his shpulder for the rest of his miserable life." Or something to that effect was said