"We have a non compliant citizen" "Pepper Ball time!" "We have something like 20 heavily armed and also armored terrorist fortified within a building. They also booby trapped the place." "IT'S PEPPER BALL TIME!"
I used to work for Pepperball. For about 2 years, I ran the assembly line for the VKS launchers. They don't shoot much harder than your standard field velocities for a paintball game, which usually sit at about 275fps. We would chronograph them at 325fps, unless it was for a specific contract, like the Japanese lauchers we made to shoot 450fps. But what really hurt was the filler in the projectile itself. It's essentially 90% baby power and the rest is the irritant. Baby powder is not the actual filler, but the inert training projectiles smelled exactly like baby powder when broken. There is CS, pepper, extra strength pepper, shaped rounds with either paint or active agents, glass breakers, and rubber rounds. The yellow shaped marking rounds we would call "death nuggets", because if the rounds were stored for a couple of years, the paint would solidify making essentially a solid shaped projectile. We sold 267 launchers to the US Army CENTCOM that were used in guard towers at Bagram Air Base, and almost every "death nugget" we had. It was a better alternative to firing live ammunition at kids throwing rocks at the guards. All of the shells for each plastic round are rated to break at 187fps. From a direct impact, the powder filler in the rounds would stick to your clothing, and create about a 1 meter cloud around the target you shoot. Convenient for shooting the floor or ceiling inside of a room or hallway to gas out anyone inside. I know from first hand experience that it is NOT fun to breathe that stuff in. We had a colonel from the Columbian army come up to see the facility, shoot some launchers, and test the intensity of our Live X round, which is the extra strength pepper projectile. He put one in a ziploc bag, crushed it, then stuck his face inside the bag to breathe in the dust. His eyes swelled shut, his nose would not stop running, and he had a hard time breathing for the next 3 hours. We ended up selling about 300 launchers and thousands of rounds of the Live X to Columbia in the following months. The launcher itself was derived from the Tiberius T4 paintball launcher, and the magazine is very large so that you can use a 10g Co2 canister inside, and not the 13ci HPA tank inside the stock. The feed portion of the magazine runs down the front and can only hold 15 rounds. The gas regulators and fire control pack had a nipple that would press a valve in the top of the magazine to use Co2. But the launchers I made had a filled nipple, and were restricted to use HPA only. But with a quick change of the nipple and re-chronographing the launcher, you could get it to work with Co2. Where an AR ejection port dust cover would be is a plastic cover plate that when removed, allowed you to use a feed hopper and round projectiles. I remember seeing the engineers working on a hopper that would feed shaped projectiles while I worked there, and they had a functioning example, but it was never produced beyond that. The barrel can be rotated around to the hopper position on the fly, which is also how you remove it to service the barrel nubbins.
Very interesting info, and seems like the clientele was a lot more diverse than just law enforcement. Was there a reason why the Japanese launchers had to be a higher fps?
@@civilianuseonly I never heard any specific reason why the Japanese wanted them to shoot that fast, but it was something they requested upon their order. When we built the launchers we also pressed in a nylon plug into the velocity adjustment screw in the air regulator, preventing anyone without a drill press from being able to remove it and adjust the velocity output of the launcher. I saw many orders sent to various law enforcement and national guard units around the country, as well as several oversees LE and MIL customers.
It can be worse than CS gas... depending on when and where its deployed. In most cases for myself CS is the most brutal shit out. I can still work fairly effectively in midst of any kind of OC.. Not the case for CS. But we are all different and react differently to the various types of chemicals
I've never liked the fact that the only way to get an S rank is to not kill anyone even though lethal force is meant to be responded to with lethal force.
@@aaroncook2052 bro this is just a game if you want just take that ak go on rampage getting an F rating or if you want an s get a non leathal shit and arrest every one it's our choice
@@PushkarKulkarni0588 no casualties preferred ≠ casualties are considered poor performance. It makes no sense that for missions involving terrorists using assault rifles and explosive traps you would get judged for using lethal force. It's not only acceptable, it's expected.
Maybe they should change the nomenclature? Non-lethal is def and achievement and the game should recognise it, but the A+ vs S distinction makes it seem like it's more than it is.
The whimsical music with the lovely ad about what the pepper ball does to the body was just perfect. The mix of serious tone to dry sarcasm is amazing! Keep it up
i gave up on non lethal runs after grease palms, using the "No Mercy for Terrorists" mod the best thing i did, actually enjoy the game so much more now
@@jaggernaut4106S tier is still attainable when lethal force is used, and I believe AI teammates no longer get stressed when suspects are killed in missions
I struggled hard on Sins of the father with the VKS, cause the elite enemies sometimes just ignored the shots or just ran away. Had to switch to the beanbag, which i previously didnt like for its limited range, but now i am a beanbag fanboy. Although the beanbag did ruin my S run on the hospital map, cause i domed a dude hiding in the corner of a bathroom lol
When I play Ready Or Not, I play it simple. If Judge (protagonist) was called on a mission, I play him as a Judge Dredd. I shall be the judge, and i shall be the executioner.
Some usage advise: Since the pellets do no impact damage, aiming at the head, hand, or foot isn't rewarded. If you can't get a reliable bodyshot, aim at the cover the enemy is using or the ground at the suspect's feett. The pellet's gas cloud isn't as large as the gas grenade's, but its still bigger than you might think, and even briefly lingers in an area. It's big enough to even get suspects who are around a corner, or briefly cover some terrain a suspect is threatening to use. Combine that with it's effectiveness at all ranges, since it has no drop off, makes it my Non-lethal of choice on the larger maps, like Port, Greased Palms, and Car Shop.
RoN needs more maps like Ends of the Earth, 23 Megabytes A Second and Elephant. All that para-military BS with 20 machinegun wielding suspects feels more like something for SAS than SWAT. Just my two cents.
Thank you. 8:10 was what I was most curious about, whether Ai officers will headshot with bag. Pepperball for the win. FYI - also available is non-lethal options "G19 blue" pistol, & "MK18 blue" riffle, via Lethal or Not mod, on nexus.
i try to play the game in an immersive manner, but with all the briefings and missions i see no reason for non-lethal. maybe if there were more mission types id consider it.
I look foward to RoN updates not only because I love the game, but also because you will have more stuff to make YT content on. I really enjoy your videos, keep up the good work sir.
After using wemod's fast fire and unlimited ammo the pepperballs are a instant surrender. I also discovered that fire firing a unlimited m320 with flashbangs will damage your teammates even if it's not near them.
I had to get hit with this IRL for work. The impact hurts, but the dust is super fine and goes through your clothing. Trying to wash it off only makes it burn more.
I'm actually sad the develoopers changed the gameplay mechanic to if you want to get an S rank and want to have all officers to be satisfied you have to use non lethal and don't kill anyone.. Not because I simply are in blood rage and totally want to kill, but it's totally NOT realistic if you're fighting suspects which use weapon force on the double as soon as they see you, and also are equipped like heavy mercenarties with armor and heavy warguns- but you trying to pepperball them and trying have them surrender... You have to fight the thread by all means! - also there are suspects running around with gasmasks, too sometimes. They don't get affected by pepperball then anyway. A former german special force officer from the "SEK - Special Einsatz Kommando", which is bassically the american Swat also said exactly what I said! (He is also streaming here on youtube sometimes) There is no way and it's ridicolous if you want to fight with pepperball and pepper spray while the enemy is equipped until the teeth and is ready to kill you with all might. Real guns especially of that caliber are much more effektive and superior to your joke of pepper gun or even worse if using pepper spray in range, projectile traveling. Such a thread is no joke if your life and of bystanders is in danger, you don't mess around with it then. + he also mentioned the armor and gasmasks, there is no way you would risk that, even if you don't know about the enemy equippment. That's why be better safe than sorry.
I always pick beanbag over VKS pepperball because I always assume that enemy with gas mask cannot inhale the pepper thus wont feel anything unless you use something else to stun them
I once tried to get S rank on Greased Palms with this garbage gun and it took me 13h. Doing “medal of valor” took me ~30h using only this gun and now i’m doing “the hermit”. I want to kill myself…
The thing that always screws me over when going non-lethal, is the enemy shooting me through walls and windows. And my squad switching to their lethal sidearms to retaliate and tanking my ranking.
You might know this but you can take away all magazines for lethal sidearms on AI loadouts. So they have a non lethal primary and a lethal secondary with zero ammo and can't ruin your run.
I did a S-Rank marathon 2 weeks ago and gave every AI the beanbag shotgun. They never killed anyone with it. I do remember them being able to sometime prior to 1.0
I started with beanbags, but saw that my AI teammates and myself would sometimes kill the suspects. That's when I switched to pepperball and CS grenades, with zero risk of fatalities. I then switched myself back to beanbag, while keeping my teammates on pepperball, and this seems to be a good compromise.
Most pay lip service. However lip service goes out the window when people start shoving hands in pockets. When two seconds or less is all that's needed for a suspect with a potentially concealed weapon to go from "non-compliant" to "active shooter" well most people prefer a retirement pension to a widows pension.
Meh im fine with A rank. Its completely unrealistic that youd be able to apprehend all suspects with no lethal rounds fired in a swat scenario anyways. Im tryna have fun not achievement hunt. But im glad this game pays attention to the real tools officers have access to. Beanbag shotguns are much more common IRL than pepperball stuff though.
bean bag shotty is worse than death if hit in nuts. Like at that point you want to get shot just for the pain to stop but body wont allow such moves as you involuntarily curl up.
Bruh I straight up thought youtube decided to take a shit and play an audio for a Doom Eternal video On another note, I honestly wished they offered more non-lethal or even a less lethal variant where you can fire rubber bullets with rifles, so that you can have the advantage of a mag fed rifle as well as the advantage of guaranteeing the suspect surrender like the bean bag. Granted, idk if rubber bullet may have that effect irl, but since RoN doesn't really use irl logic in some occasion, I think a rubber bullet variant can help a lot
I’m a VKS guy because I had too many times where I could see an enemy’s face but had to take a couple hits trying not to kill then with the beanbag gun
Btw I saw this from another RU-vidr but idk if it is still in the game. You can kill with the pepper ball launcher but it takes a while. ( idk if it is still true.)
I love how whenever I went for a non-lethal run with the bean bag, whenever I got jump scared, my accuracy instantly went over the roof leading to me beaming the suspects in the head with the bean bag most of the time 😂.
The pepper balls are just way to inconsistent to justify their use for anything non S rank. Having more ammo types like the glass rounds for the gun might make it more viable. Pepper balls have a good AOE effect for peeking doors and shooting feet, but again, it's just so inconsistent. One of the big reasons I like Zero Hour more is your not penalized for actively trying to end a target with intent to kill. Also for S rank runs, the best method is not using AI teammates at all.
I highly suggest using the lingering clouds to your advantage. You can affect enemies behind cover thanks to that so I highly suggest pre-firing an area you know there is going to be a suspect, especially if they will walk through it. It's not always reliable, but it has ended many engagements before they even began.
4:39 i was real confused for solid few seconds when Hades’ original soundtrack played in the background as i listen to them on youtube daily. Thought my phone was somehow playing them and the video at the same time
Well, what's better to fight with a Baton against a The one guy that uses like Katana Then just using a gun on a guy that uses a katane Oh well, if I were to pick a weapon from a Pepper ball launcher. And an AK47. I would pick an ak47 for all around use. Then the pepperball launcher. That 1 is meant for less lethal use. The AK is all man.
@@superflyguy4488 It may be slightly worst than more modern weapons, but it does not make much of a difference at all. They are essentially the same as the AR plateforms in almost every regard, especially the 5.45 AK's.
@@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj Not that I think the AK is a useless weapon, but at the point we are at, I would not claim Russia is a very good model for a professional army. But hey, Ukraine uses them too.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me incorrect, the whole cyclic system and bolt carrier assembly is completely different, physics interacts entirely differently with the AK family irrespective of the country of origin due to the design and construction.
