The Perils and Promises of Christian Nationalism | Tom Ascol 

This is a scholarly work. He is the true SBC president. God bless you, Tom, for speaking the truth and very respectfully. It's a touchy subject. Most mature message of Christian Nationalism yet. I miss your church, too.

Great talk! Thank you for tackling this issue.

One of my favorite contemporary pastors/theologians.

Great talk. To summarize: 1) God is above all, and we need to obey Him over man 2) The USA could only have been founded from a Biblical worldview, and moving away from this is self-destructive. 3) Realizing this, loving your neighbor is to WORK (vote, debate, run for office, evangelize, disobey if needed, self-sacrifice, stop being lazy) to keep/protect Biblical values in our laws/society. 4) Do not be ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation.

Excellent

A better name might be Biblical Civics

Perfect and well said.

Excellent!

What a great message and guidance on what Christian nationalism is and what it isn’t and what a Christ follower’s stance should be!🙏🏻

20:44 That's the actual definition of “Christian Nationalism” and that is also coherent with a matter of fact overview which is consistent with tangible, natural, material, and concrete reality.

Thank-you, Tom Ascol, for this fine sermon..timely and true..God richly bless you. I was getting bogged down on this topic. Thank-you for helping me out of the bog.

Common law structurally requires Christianity. The concept is simple. In order to have checks and balances, there must be a separation of powers into different bodies. The Church and state are separated in order to provide checks and balances via common law structure. State law determines which acts are illegal, but Church doctrine determines which acts are guilty. A defendant is free to choose between a bench trial or a trial by jury. In a bench trial the laws of the state will be applied without regard to morality. In a trial by jury the jurors are sworn to give a true verdict. Can a state law convert an intrinsically innocent act into a guilty act? Please note Roman's chapter 13. Paul assumes this separation of powers because the passage becomes absurd if the authority wielding the sword against those who do evil is free to define evil as anything their political opponents are doing.

I’m glad that some men of the cloth choose to speak against this garbage.

rushdoony and Christian Reconstructionism (Wikipedia). Christian Nationalism is NEVER mentioned in Scripture. Theocracy (example: the state of Iran).

Christian Nationalism is a non-entity within the Kingdom of God! Give to Caesar what is Ceasar's, and give to God what is God's! There's no need for lectures pertaining to this subject! Just believe the bible. It's that simple! 2nd Timothy chapter 2-verse 4! Amen!

Christian nationalism is dead on arrival no matter how you redefine it. God did not call us to use statecraft to evangelize our faith. Let's go back to the basics of our faith. When the apostles were persecuted they did not start a political party or build an army against Rome; they instead dug deeper in prayer, study of the word, charity, and evangelism. Our weapons are not carnal.

Tom just didn't want to agree with the "other side." He was full of crap 💩

Remember as you watch this... No serious exposition of Scripture. No "Thus says the Lord" He mocked the idea of getting our thoughts from a politician (Boebert) then proceded to quote politician after politician positively.

Have Any of you stood against child sbuse in public school⁉️ If you have. You will have called your legislatures

I think a new approach is needed .how did Jesus handel situations for like women of well . Some officials woud say you sined and we will put you I jail till you wise up. Some of or officials and other countries go along with this strong arm driconing approach it's not Christian.

That was about as reasonable and biblical a treatment of the subject, as we're ever likely to hear. In fact, I'll go on record as saying that one would have to bastardize and misrepresent what Mr Ascol said in order to take issue with hit, let alone horribilize it, as several folks have attempted to do. And yes, I contend that their reactions and critiques were misguided, emotional, or flat out slanderous. I find it truly stunning how many Christians seem to not want a nation whose God is Yahweh.

It limits the meaning of "Christianity" thereby limiting Christ's outreach to "others".

This was extremely helpful brother

Discussing Christian Nationalism is a waste of time. It is clearly wrong however you define it. Just like Calvinism is clearly wrong however you define it. We need to stay away from all labels except the label of Christian.

A christian man Is NOT A COLOR. GOD makes All souls turn toward GOD. All men in All nations become changed To love their neighbor as themselves Because GOD love them 1st. To know GOD is to Love GOD, then others. No evil happens if a man is doung right no matter what others do

18:20-18:40 The definition of Christian Nationalism set forth by Pastor Aschol leaves too much room for subjective interpretation as to what must be objectively set down for that definition. "What is meant by Christian Culture'?" "What are Christian Norms'?" If we judge the two above through the lenses within the mass populous of what counts as "Christian," then you end up with a largely woke and confused Christian culture with an ever moving moral compass and ever shifting goal posts. If we judge what the Scriptures define as "Christian Norms," which is the objective truth we should have begun the definition as well as the discussion, then one of the first norms to be established for the Christian is the assertion of the abiding place and validity of the Moral Law of God for all ages as it is summarily comprehended in the 10 commandments. Already with the above objective framework mentioned (ie- the Ten Commandments), I have already lost a large portion of what counts as "Christian" today within Evangelicalism, and sadly even among so called "conservative Evangelicalism." I appreciate the conference and look forward to more dialogue concerning the subject!

Reading modern nation-states into Genesis 10 and 11, not to mention conflating this with the Bible “recognizing the legitimacy of nations with borders”, is an enormous leap requiring equal parts eisegesis and logical fallacy.

Vote. Which is a greater threat to the church and to society? Christian Nationalism? Or the loss of the Christian Nation?

Our Constitution should be reinterpreted to where every citizen should be asked, “Which master will you serve: Christ, or the state?” then protect the inalienable right for all American citizens to choose, free of consequence. In today’s political climate where equity has replaced ‘equal justice under the law’, conservatives must redefine the parameters of conscientious objector status (“… a person who refuses to bear arms or serve in the military based on a matter of conscience… on moral, ethical, or religious grounds”) in response to the latest left-wing escalation of their war on the First Amendment. What’s important is overhauling our government into a system sensitive, under an American context, to the qualities of personalism, popularism, decentralizing federal power through subsidiarity, and affirming the validity and necessity of Christian religious inspiration for politics. Government should therefore channel their resources to propagate Christianity socially, while wielding the levers of government power to reintegrate Christians into all spheres of public life and national politics after 60 years in exile, consistent with the First Amendment (“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”). In no place in the Constitution does it say that the church should be denied access to the public forum because of its connection to the transcendent God.

Well done brother Tom. Great teaching! #togodbealltheglory

Well timed. The truly heinous stuff didnt show up until about 25 minutes I'd love to know who wrote this.

I am interested in what Ascol has to say, but Wolfe's book was a dumpster fire.

If the LAW and MORALITY comes from GOD and further more we are all created equal. No man or man created law should keep other man under oppression or under pressure under the law to create their fellow citizens into criminals. That is BIBLICAL LAW.....how do I know?.....all you have to do is read the 10 Commandments. It is pretty clear.

The definition is quite simple really. Stop overthinking it. It’s simply two words. 1. Christian = Loves Jesus 2. Nationalist = Loves Country So a “Christian Nationalist” in America makes sense since there’s nothing inherent about our country that opposes the Christian faith. I can already hear those who didn’t read that statement correctly (people who cannot think analytically) coming back with a plethora of examples of ungodly things in America that shouldn’t be supported. Again, to take that tact is to not think or not hear what I just said. Now, by saying it “makes sense in America” is to focus on the freedom we have to worship freely and to recognize the obvious blessings God has given to the USA over time. It does not make sense to say it in a country like China, for example, which as a country directly and diametrically opposes the Christian faith.

Assuming a "Christian nation" cannot revolt against another "Christian nation"; and if America is a "Christian nation", then Great Britain must not have been a "Christian nation". Seems to me a definition of "Christian nation" can (must?) be found by comparing America to Great Britain in 1776. Why, if the above assumptions are correct, a definition of "Christian nation" does not already exist, in the most unambiguous way, is interesting.

Totally agree

This man is a wolf in sheep's skins. Jesus Is King!

And the false prophet emerges

Maybe he should read Katherine Stewart's "The Power Worshippers" and it becomes really clear what individuals like me consider "Christian Nationalism."

Try Christian nationalism. Try it. Ever heard of the "fuck around" saga? You'll be on the wrong end

So much dep and nuance given to Christian National. Your ideology has been on point with God. There is no need to confront those who fit the narrative. Take a look at your churches and your audience. Ask yourself, "Does look like heaven. Many can point but can't soul search. Grace is given and understanding given to the ideology you chose to give it to. Trump has proven that through many evangelicals. If you can rebuke crt and woke group, I believe you should with the same biblical truth rebuke Christian bad ideology. This reason is why your church audience looks the way it does.

Does a good job of warning against following men like David French, Russell Moore, Tim Keller. Why aren’t we warned to stay away from Stephen Wolfe (fitting last name)? Doesn’t matter what good points his book makes when we view the disgusting hateful things he promotes (Tom doesn’t declare support for him and the book but the tone is certainly different talking about it, and promotional for discussing certain aspects). There is a right way to practice Christian nationalism with a biblical lens but that guy and his book should be marked and avoided. See Kevin DeYoung’s review on it if you don’t believe me. Still love Tom Ascol but this part had me confused.

Well done. Much to think about.

Is Atheism and Secularism a "religion"? That all depends on which definition and meaning and how you want to use it. I could say that Christianity is not a " religion" but a way of life. It is not a religion but a personal relationship with Jesus. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". "My Kingdom is NOT of this world but the next." Remember it was Jewish commoners, Jewish elite and Caesar that murdered Jesus. I'm told that if they did not then their would be no salvation. From my interpretation of New Testament, Jesus was a progressive and a social justice warrior. Also that the early, authentic, true Christians held all things "in comon".😎😇

The 1890’s are not the founders. The founders repeatedly said that in no way is this country a Christian nation. Treaty of Tripoli signed my John Quincy Adams and ratified by congress. The only mention of religion in the original constitution was to make sure there could be no test of religion for holding office. There is no way to uphold the constitution and push for Christian nationalism. This is a secular country and no religion has the right to interfere with the founding ideology of this country. You can’t be a patriot and a Christian nationalist because the constitution which is the fundamental foundation of the country says that this country is built on the freedom of religion and that includes all religious beliefs and non belief. You can have any religious belief you want or none at all. The foundations of Christian nationalism would destroy the freedoms of this country and that is what everyone who hates Christian nationalism is afraid of. This country is great due to freedom not Christianity.