I had a wondrous opportunity of seeing my aunt's experience of passing on. Someone i could not see had come for her. He walked slowly across the room and around to her right hand. She left. After she departed, her body died. I understand now how it is that we dont taste of death. She was estatic and full of wonder. I couldnt help the joy. It wasnt appropriate for me to have joy and wonder. This is the reality. He comes for his own.
Been thinking about all the evil in the world and how God's mercy is needed. When God does judge the world, it will be so terrible that we can understand why He waited so long. So that in a strange way , gave me a little peace about all the evil things that He allows to happen, and let know that there is a reason for everything. I just need to do what God wants me to do and not worry so much about things not in my control. And if I worry, I can pray for God to do something about it.
Whatever happens and when it happens, we can't know it, stop it, postpone it, or escape it. Keep spreading the Gospel, living for God, and loving your neighbour. Worrying won't add one more day after all. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
God's word is true. The saints will not be in thr tribulation, or suffer through the wrath. We will be taken out in the rapture. I believe it and looking forward to receiving my crown for loving His appearance ❤
@nessakay02 JEREMIAH 7 REVEALS THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT THEY ATTAIN SALVATION WITHOUT REPENTANCE REQUIRED. LUKE 13;3 WITHOUT REPENTANCE REPENTANCE SHALL ALL PERISH. 1JOHN 5;16 SIN Unto Death is found in 1JOHN 4. God is Love and we must have love for one another or we have no relationship with Christ.
Thank the Lord that salvation is not based on a particular view of the millennium, whether the rapture is a secret catching away to heaven vs the second coming itself, or anything regarding us interpreting unfulfilled prophecy. Jesus is coming back. Put your faith, your belief, your loyalty in Jesus... in what he did at the cross and serve him faithfully.
My husband and I have talked quite a bit about the verses Rev 6:9-11 about the souls under the alter if they don't have a body why would they be given white robes. You sermon brought clarity to our discussion.
Thank you sooooo much Pastor David. This couldn’t have come at a better time with my family having to say goodbye to my cousin Connie. She passed suddenly from a massive heart attack, so unexpected but confirmation to BE READY. AMEN
Grateful father in heaven for your word of guidance, wisdom and how you move among us , in the name of Jesus who lives and reigns forever and ever Amen.
47:03 plz explain. 1 Thessalonians 4v15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. So the bible teaches that the resurrection happens first then the rapture, so if we know when the resurrection is then we know after will be the rapture. look at Revelation 20v1-5 1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. This clearly teaches that the "They" had gone through the tribulation and did not worship the beast, it teaches that these events happen after Armageddon. So where is the pre-trib? with all due respect I do think Pastor Guzik is a great teacher but he is wrong on this one
@@kingcalv10 Yes, I agree with you. Even when you google, it says, caught up "rapture", is after the tribulation. I like to put more emphasis on Revelation 7:14📜 ,those dressed in white. These are they which came out of Great Tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Ecclesiastes 9:8📜. Let your clothed be always white. HalleluYah Amen. Glory be to YAH🕊✨️. 🙏🏿🔥❤️👀👂🏾
The Pastor believe that sleep is just a metaphor and that in death there is no lost of consciousness and existence . But since there isn't one single scripture in the bible that says that man has an immortal spirit or soul which is what he believes , death takes a totally new meaning . It is no longer the last enemy that will be destroyed as Jesus said , it has become a friend, who think that in death you close your eyes on this earth and immediately you open them in the presence of the Lord. Everybody that quotes Paul's words Absent from the body and Present with the Lord , are doing the opposite of what Paul was teaching in the book of Corinthians when he said , do not go beyond what is written . In this scripture, it is read and assume that Absent from the body and present with the Lord is IMMEIATELY after death. Death is a blessing and it opens the door to be present with the Lord while in the state of death . So for those who believe this , the resurrection is meaningless . A good reason why the churches never preach about the resurrection. Ask yourself the question , why was Paul trying to comfort the Thessalonians concerning those who have fallen asleep if like the Pastor said, if they are dead ,conscious , still exist and are RESTING ? Didn't they know that to be absent from the body is to be PRESENT with the Lord , and to die is gain ? This is what the churches teach today about death , don't you find it strange that if this was the right interpretations, this would it been the first words out of Paul's mouth ? .But its obvious that Paul who was inspired and receive from God every detail of the doctrine of the resurrection of the dead knew very well that no DEAD man in the state of death while dead and without being resurrected could be present with the Lord . It is at the moment that the dead in Christ will RISE first that you will be present with the Lord. In fact 1 Cor 15.32 Paul says that if the DEAD do not rise , let us eat and drink for tomorrow we DIE. Death is the end of life , we ceased to exist and its the penalty of sin . If there is no RESURRECTION , those who have fallen ASLEEP in Christ have perished 1Cor 15.18 Without the resurrection there is no life beyond the grave , you cannot be dead and present with the Lord , the resurrection is our ONLY ticket back to life from the grave . Jhn 5.28.29 WE return to the dust and ironically it is from a grave in the dust that we will return to life and be rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and IMMORTALITY , Because you NEVER had neither one, nor God ever created any part of YOU to live forever . He made sure in Gen 3.22 that as soon as man disobeyed God he place two cherubim in the Garden of Eden to prevent them from reaching out and eating from the Tree of LIFE and .......................................L I V I N G ......F O R E V E R........................................... In Gen 6.3 God said .....My spirit will not strive with man FOREVER for he is indeed FLESH. Notice that if man had been created with an immortal soul or spirit , eternal life able to live FOREVER , then God will not say that he will not strive with man forever . FOREVER was not in God's plan when he created man . FOREVER is available through Christ by personal choice ONLY at the resurrection Satan lie when he said to Eve , you shall not die. This the same lie the churches are teaching today , that in death you remain alive and conscious and during the state of death you can be present with the lord , who needs a resurrection if your claim is that you have an immortal soul. Except that the bible says that the only one who has immortality is God. If you claim that man was created eternal you are ignoring the scriptures.
Yes, sell all you have and give to the poor immediately, Jesus could come at any time now. Don't get caught holding on to worldly possessions it shows you are not faithful and a liar. Prove to Jesus right now you are ready to be raptured at any minute now. If you don't sell everything and give to the poor right now you will be left behind. It will prove your treasure is in heaven as a faithful believer, and that your treasure is not in your worldly things. Do it now and prove yourselves, or you will be left behind.
Regarding the thought that the whole world will be Christianized in 20,000 years, that actually does give me hope. Not to say I'm 100 percent convinced that it's the case, but if the gospel has had this effect on the world and it's only been 2000 years, I think it would be a pretty awesome thing to see it's power in action the more time passes. Yeah, I know the world seems to be declining in so many ways, but how many people have experienced salvation in and through it all? I'm still wrestling with stuff, I appreciate this study.
@@brokenpeople777 Well, I am present at work. I do play videos to the World..But, only indifference is present. And if first world did drown, and God knew that all of that will return Again. And even More. Look around, Sodomites rule the world😮💨 And calling for "god". Yet, not Our God, but the god who will resolve problems, so they can Continue live and progress..in Sin 👀☝️
Maybe is that when we die is as when we fall sleep very tired, and when we realize next thing is already day , the night passed rapidly and we were unconscious of it, we didn’t feel the time passed, maybe the death is something like that , we die, and next thing we hear the voice of Jesus telling unas to wake up, in a twinkle of an eye, because we didn’t feel the time, so in appearance is immediately when we are in the presence of the lord after death, but in reality the time passed…..
@@Brooke2000 but, Jesús resurrected until the third day, and ascended to heaven much later, 40 days …. Acts 1 1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. …Jhon 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine? Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Watch the RU-vid video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.......
Why isn't this the same event as in Matt. 24, when he gathers together his elect from the four winds? Both call it his "coming," both have the trumpet call, him coming like a thief and the need to be awake, aware and obedient, both have the destruction of the wicked at that time. See also 2Thess. 1:6-8, which describes the coming of the Lord at that same time as rescuing the saints, and destroying the wicked, no separation between the two events.
Pastor Lance replies - Because one "coming" of the Lord is as a thief, when life on earth seems to be going along as usual. Another coming of the Lord is at a time of global upheaval and trouble. His coming can't be BOTH at a time that is business as usual AND total chaos where if He didn't come no life would be left on Earth. Clearly - two comings are in view.
@@DavidGuzikEnduringWord That is a good point. But to be consistent in Matt. 24 and not bring ideas foreign to the text to the text, I would conclude that things return to some normalcy before he returns. Jesus said he return after the tribulation and it does not say how long after. That way it can still be a surprise. Otherwise we introduce another coming to the text and that is eisegesis.
@DavidGuzikEnduringWord Hi Pastor Guzik, do you have a sermon or an article where you outline the sequence of events that happen before, during, and after our Lord's second coming? After studying end time prophecy for awhile, I've become confused as to what are the things that need to happen before Jesus comes again (Gospel preached to the whole world, red heifer, temple rebuilt, etc), and the entities that are mentioned in the Bible (beast, anti-Christ, harlot, false prophet, mystery Babylon, etc). There's so many moving parts that further study might confuse me. As such, a chronology or suggested chronology (pre-trib rapture vs post-trib) would be helpful. Thank you for considering my questions.
Sleeping/death explained (8th chapter of Luke and 8th epistle 1Thessalonians are well read together): [Luke 8:51 KJV] And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden. [Luke 8:52 KJV] And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. [Luke 8:53 KJV] And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. [Luke 8:54 KJV] And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. [Luke 8:55 KJV] And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat. [Luke 8:56 KJV] And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done. [1 Thessalonians 4:13 KJV] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJV] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV] Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [1 Thessalonians 4:18 KJV] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Hey there, You spoke at Calvert chapel fremont when I was visiting last year. Do you have anything or the pre tribulation rapture or post? I've always thought we'd be taken up prior to the tribulation but I visited my grandma recently and she believes post tribulation rapture. I've seen arguments for both
I first believed pre-trib made the most sense. However, James Jacob Prasch gives an equally compelling case for post-trib doctrine, so you may want to look into his teachings. Either way, and this perhaps goes without saying, these men are believers in Christ regardless of their position on this subject.
I first believed post trib rapture upon reading and studying the scriptures myself. Then I got convinced into pre trib because it’s the most popular and pushed view. I felt led by the Holy Spirit to look at the scriptures again and returned to my original view. My now home church has a ministry that opened my eyes to the deception of the pre trib rapture. We will go through the tribulation, many will fall away, then Jesus will return and every eye will see Him. Check out Good Fight Ministries that has a lot of videos including the most recent on the subject. Pastor Guzik does have pre trib rapture teachings if you search in YT. I’ve also seen both sides , believed both, now I’m firmly a believer in post-trib rapture.
There are 4 views of when the rapture happens, so yes, it can be confusing. I was initially taught a mid-trib rapture and when I learned there were other positions, I was too overwhelmed and intimidated to study them out to see which one was the most Biblical. #1: the rapture is not just about us! Those who do not like the pre-tribulation idea think people are just wanting to escape the Great Tribulation. They forget that God...by removing believers from all over the earth... IS bringing about judgement. God removes us from the earth b/c His Spirit dwells in us and the un-believers hate God and do not want Him around so they can do whatever they please w/o Christians around to stand for righteousness, Truth and Justice. Just think of a world without Christians...no peace (there is NO peace during the Great Trib), no justice, no righteousness, no soup kitchens, no pro-life pregnancy centers, no AA programs, no help for the poor, no patience, no kindness. Sounds like hell on earth. God, in essence says: "OK. You don't want Me, then FINE" And He removes the presence of the Holy Spirit...by taking His saints off the face of the earth. #2 The Great Tribulation is about God's WRATH. You and I as believers by faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ are NOT due wrath. Jesus took God's wrath against sin upon Himself on the cross. 1 Thess 1:10 says we are delivered from the wrath to come. "Wrath" is not the same as "Hell". As for the timing of the rapture, 2 Thess 2:3 says that the "catching away" comes first and then the man of lawlessness (the anti-Christ) appears. Some versions use the word "falling away" and some use the word "apostacy", but that word translated from the Greek means a violent snatching or catching away, like when traditional fishermen would shoot a harpoon at a seal, or whale or fish and snatch it out of the water. Sure sounds like the rapture to me! But pray on it b/c the Holy Spirit wants you to know in your heart and have peace. He WILL give you the answer.
Pastor Lance replies - David peaks often about the Rapture and it being re-trib. You might give the series I did on the subject a listen - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rha4V9PkHbE.html
The rapture theory became popular and accepted when Margaret MacDonald, who had a vision in 1830 of the end times and the Church being raptured from the Earth. Before this the church believed that 1 Thess referred to the second coming of Christ. The rapture teaching is a feel good notion to give people probable false hope that they would escape the great tribulation.
So @@SavedbytheLordsgrace1 you mean that the church will face the great tribulations or WILL ALMOST FACE IT AND GET CAUGHT UP BY THE MIGHTY POWER OF GOD? Or you mean that the church will face the present tribulations as happening now and until His second coming? Thank you for your answer.
@@FeibeSianturiswifty14 I think you should read the Word, and the different perspectives on the millennium, and let the Spirit tell you what He thinks :)
@@SavedbytheLordsgrace1 I don’t know why other Christians keep saying that those who believe in true pre-tribulation want to escape persecution or hardship. That’s not true. As Christians we already are facing persecution and hatred. Many people are being killed for their faith in different countries. That’s not a good argument for us. We look forward to being with the Lord that’s it for me. Whether I go through the tribulation or not, I don’t care. I’m saved. Scripture teaches that there is a rapture and I believe the Bible and what the Holy Spirit teaches us.❤️🙏🏻
The rapture is at the time Christ returns. After the tribulation . Those alive in Christ will be kept by Him. The Bible clearly teaches this. Don’t ignore the numerous scriptures that are evident.
No rapture. A resurrection at the end of the tribulation when the second coming of Jesus occurs. Revelation 19 is very clear when the second coming of Jesus occurs. Revelation 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “EVERY EYE will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a LOUD command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Jesus second coming will be loud and a trumpet will sound, every eye will see him, both saved and unsaved. In Thessalonians Paul was assuring the people that if they died before Jesus came back the second time, that they would not miss him. Look at the context of the chapter 4. He wasn’t describing a rapture, he was talking about their resurrection upon Jesus return. He assured them that they would be the first to rise and then the rest would meet Jesus in the clouds . When we meet Jesus in the clouds, it means we rise up to meet him bc we are so excited to see him and to come back down here to earth for the 1000 reign. Clouds are still in the atmosphere of the earth. Clouds are not indicative of going to heaven out of the firmament. In order to understand what Paul was referring to in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 we must also look at Jewish traditions of kings going off to battle. When a king went off to battle, the people of the that kingdom would wait for their king to return, sometimes days, even months. But because they did not know the day or hour of the kings return, they had appointed certain men to keep watch for the king day and night. When the king was sited in the distance, they would blow a trumpet to let the people know that the king was approaching the city. This would excite the people so much they ran through the city gates to meet the king even before he got back into the city. They would welcome him and walk back I to the city with him. The crowd that Paul was speaking to that day, would have understood this concept of meeting their king even before he returned to their dwelling place inside the city since this was a practice they did with their earthly kings. When Jesus our King comes, Paul was telling them they would be so excited they would rise to meet Jesus in the air (the air is how He’s traveling) and return back to earth along side of Him. This teaching of a rapture will cause many to fall away from the faith because they were told Jesus was going to snatch them away. When they realize they will be here for the tribulation, they will believe the scriptures lied to them. It’s simply not so. The Bible never teaches a secret rapture where some folks will disappear. The scriptures are very clear that Jesus’ second and final return will be LOUD and that EVERY EYE will see him. That’s the opposite of a secret rapture. How could some people disappear and every eye see him? It’s impossible. This false teaching is going to send many souls to hell bc they will turn from God. We are living in the days of Noah. Only 8 people were found righteous out of everyone on earth. Less than 10 were found righteous when God destroyed Sodom. Today, because the church, has become stagnant and lukewarm, there are very few true members of the church. Not even enough for a secret rapture even if there was one. This teaching of a rapture will cause many to fall away from the faith because they were told Jesus was going to snatch them away. When they realize they will be here for the tribulation, they will believe the scriptures lied to them. It’s simply not so. The Bible never teaches a secret rapture where some folks will disappear. The scriptures are very clear that Jesus’ second and final return will be LOUD and that EVERY EYE will see him. That’s the opposite of a secret rapture. How could some people disappear and every eye see him? It’s impossible. This false teaching is going to send many souls to hell bc they will turn from God. We are living in the days of Noah. Only 8 people were found righteous out of everyone on earth. Less than 10 were found righteous when God destroyed Sodom. Today, because the church, has become stagnant and lukewarm, there are very few true members of the church. Not even enough for a secret rapture even if there was one. Why would today, as evil as the world has ever been, be any different than Noahs day? There is hardly a church here on earth right now. 99% of people who think and say they are Christian’s, are not, and these pastors who are preaching false doctrine will suffer in the tribulation period.
I was taught the rapture my whole life and I always struggled with understanding it. It never made sense to me. If we are “raptured” then who will the Antichrist go to war with? Yes, people will be saved during this time. Yes, 144,000 will be preaching the gospel and as well as the 2 witnesses and as well as angels. Throughout my walk and many people I know struggled in their walk but now all of a sudden where the world is at the worst it’s ever been these new believers now have the faith to face the Antichrist and evil that will take place in the tribulation? Not saying it isn’t possible, God can do all things but it’s just not probable. Rapture by definition means resurrection. In Revelation 20:4-5 it says …this is the FIRST resurrection. Here it is telling you the FIRST resurrection will happen after the Great Tribulation and after the 1,000 reign with Christ. I’m no biblical scholar nor am I a scholar in any sense by definition. But I do know there cannot be a first before the FIRST. Throughout the parables especially the wheat and tares parables Jesus says that it is a parable about the end of the age and that the wheat and tares will grow together. The tares will FIRST be removed and burned then the wheat will be stored into His barn. He also says the last days will be as the days of Noah. The tares/unrighteous/unbelievers were taken away first. Not Noah. Noah was left on earth. We are told in scripture we will inherit the earth. Also in 1 Thessalonians 4 it mentions that there will be the sound of a shout a voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God if there were a rapture people will know that it is Christ. If this were to happen why then will people believe the Antichrist will then be God if the whole world saw Christ already? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Earth was created for man, today and in the future Kingdom of God. Yes, we'll be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, but don't we come back with him, the thousands of Saints? My understanding is that when we are caught up it is to get our new bodies and come back with Jesus to 'tread down the wicked under our feet'. The wicked do NOT inherit the Earth!!! Heaven is a government, hence the Kingdom of Heaven; we don't go off to live in the clouds, sky or to Heaven, Heaven comes down. And certainly we do NOT need any Greek to understand our perfect King James Bible, if we don't have the full meaning of a word, why not get a good English dictionary. I use Noah Webster's 1828. Blessings to you and I hope you leave the Greek/man's ideas to the scholarly heathens.
Pastor Lance replies - Interesting comments. The writers of Scripture, in this case, the Apostle Paul, did not write in English. He wrote in koine [common] Greek. In fact, when he wrote, there was no English language, which is an amalgam of various Anglo-Saxon languages and dialects that didn't emerge until hundreds of years later. The perfect King James Bible? Are you aware that the original 1611 version saw MANY revisions to correct spelling and printing errors? And with the discovery of more ancient manuscripts, words that were mistranslated in the original 1611 KJV had to be changed? You won't find two guys more committed to the inspiration of Scripture than David and I. But saying the King James Bible is perfect and superior to the original Greek text is absurd.
Neither you nor your audience speaks or understands Greek, hence it's Greek to me... English has been around for MUCH longer than we've been taught, probably since the Tower of Babel, but few folks want the TRUTH. Certainly you may believe what you choose, yet the KJV still stands alone as the perfect Word of God and them new manuscripts you refer to came from Rome... Maybe it's time for you to listen to 'Gail Riplinger's Perfection or Perversion'... The devil is a LIAR and deceives the WHOLE world.
