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@@KingHampton-ul1iwlebron was driving to the basket and wasn’t taking more than 5 3s per game. Everyone knows lebron wasn’t a shooter back then, Brown and Tatum be forcing 3s
@@KingHampton-ul1iw lol you know Tatum sucked. We’ll see moving forward but him and brown are being paid so much y’all will never touch a finals again. Tell me do you feel better about Tatum now or when he lost to lebron in game 7? Tatum has a ring but he is not the player we thought he would be. Brown also shot bad and he was horrible against an 8th seed heat team last year. Enjoy this one you can’t keep this team together bc those two
@@jettheinrich19you talk about a 26 year old like his career is over already, and how are you going to say he sucked when he did everything else? You know who sucked in the series? Kyrie couldnt score, board, assist, or play defense but tatum does all that and scored basically the same as kyrie but hes seen as having sucked in the finals, bullshit you dont watch the games
Let's be honest if Ainge was still the GM, Brown would not be a Celtic right now instead of that massive extension he would have traded for someone of close value aka what he did to get Kyrie by sending IT to the cavs in 2018.
Tatum and Brown complimenting each other seamlessly needs to be talked about more. Could argue that Brown needs to be better at playmaking or Tatum needs to shoot more efficiently but thats a good problem to have.
it’s good to have 2 defensive athletic wings that can shoot. but they do not complement each other. a jokic murray pick and roll is like 100x more efficient than anything brown and tatum can do together
They actually don’t do much so that not only did they have to get pieces to help fit them together but where they’re was games ina playoff offensively they were both underperforming to the standard you would hold them to
This point was perfectly conveyed. Credit was given correctly to the people that it should’ve been and at the same time not discrediting anyone’s involvement in the championship
Jayson Tatum and jaylen brown are REALLY good all stars but they neither of them is on a Kobe or Lebron level that can dominate and take over a series the overall team is just really good you could argue all 5 starters should be all stars
@@lorddj9910 they've also been to the finals twice a within a 3 year span an could've easily went the year before making it 3 in total , they'll be back .
The series was decided in the first three games and through the first three games, Tatum shot below 30 percent from the floor. LOW is the same guy who kills Westbrook for poor efficiency despite stuffing the stat sheet but now wants us to ignore Tatum’s poor efficiency in the first three games because of his play making. I’m not rolling. Two things can be true. Tatum can be the best play on the floor and still have gotten bailed out by having a far superior supporting cast than Luka.
Could it be said that Brown had a better series than Tatum, but that Tatum had a better series than his points and efficiency in the box score might suggest? And that above all else this is a darn good duo.
Jaylen Brown was bad in terms of efficiency but not JT bad, and in the first 3 games brown was the better player but it was ultimately decided in 5. I’m personally not say Brown didn’t deserve it, I just think it was close and I would have given it to Tatum although I won’t argue with anyone who would give it to Brown
And yet the questions surrounding Tatum will still exist. He’s been poor in two straight finals and three straight postseasons, lost an easy FMVP to his own teammate, and has never been in serious contention for a MVP or DPOY. It’s extremely obvious that this chip by the Celtics even if they didn’t have Tatum and had some other superstar.
Two things can be true: Brown deserved FMVP, dogged Luka in clutch moments, and is the team leader. Tatum is more "talented", corny, and copied KG's celebration.
Oh and Kobe solo in the locker room with the trophy, and Jordan kissing it. Dude is a meme and shot terribly, showed up last minute trying to steal MVP!
@@EmmanuelAniTheSchismbreak it down for me then. All this "gravity" Tatum has like he's Curry to JB's Klay, but missed TONS of clean looks himself and didn't dish a ton of assists.
I picked jaylen for mvp because of his defensive intensity and the fact that he outplayed everyone on Boston the first three games and even sealing the deal in game 2 Jaylen brown was the most consistent player in the series with the hardest task of guarding and locking down doncic he was playing such good defense on him Dallas kept forcing switches with Tatum and doncic would cook him jaylen 100% deserved it over Tatum it’s a no brainer
The TEAM with the most talent usually wins. Not the most talented player or two but the collective. This happens every year it’s just that much more obvious when your best player on the most talented team doesn’t play as well. Media pushes the narrative of who is the reason they won bc that’s what they do. Gotta have someone to praise or blame but in reality it’s the team that wins and loses
Mainstream sports media these days often resort to making everything about the biggest names regardless of how true it really is. Ex: How many people blamed Kyrie Irving or Luka Doncic for Dallas’ underperformance when Dallas immediately got Kyrie as opposed to how outrebounded they were.
It seems to be a deeply rooted American idea that it is, in fact NOT a team sport and it HAS to be one player doing it all. Maybe that is why Europeans are considered "soft". They are usually tought the game as a TEAM sport.
low knows its a team sport his man point was the 2 big stars in jb and jt are getting more credit for the win when in reality it was cause of how good the team was build around them
@oscarkouevi1900 porzingis who barely played? Derrick White who shot like shit outside of 3s, Pritchard was ass outside 2 half court heaves. If it wasn't tatum and brown you're saying Jrue, Horford and Hauser carried?
First throughtout this play of jt has been avg or bad with bad shotting split jb been good without a good team they would be stuck 2nd round loss or finals choker and tingus pingus came back and became a beast for the 2 playoff games not saying without them they would win but because of them they have a better odds of winning. Now let me ask you if jt and jb didn't haave those player you name would they be winner today not likely
Tatum and brown are about to be paid like top tier players. Everyone knows the Celtics were the best team this year. They will not do this without elite talent around them 1-8.
Honestly someone who is very underrated and deserves to be in atleast HOF talks is Jrue holiday, the value he brings defensively for 2 teams that earned a chip off of his ability to still be able to score and defend at an elite level
Translation: Your opinion was wrong and you don't want to admit it. But YES, we do take Finals MVP, championships and what we see into account. Changing your opinion when you get new evidence is a sign of intelligence. You being stubborn about being wrong is the opposite of that.
What is he wrong about though jaysum tatum didn’t play well in these playoffs especially in the finals he didn’t play even to his standards like averaging 22 points per game on 38/26 shooting splits is atrocious look at the last like 10 finals what best player played this poorly in the finals
One of the things that make the NBA finals remarkable are the superstars being superstars and the incredible plays they make. This is sorely missing in these finals. Both Final MVP candidates put up numbers at the same level as Andrew Wiggins in 2022, or Murray in 2023. Both have fewer numbers than Khris Middleton in 2021. It’s a huge win for team building, those individual stars haven’t made much progress themselves.
@@DoremonUCR my point is JB and JT new "help" ended up being unable to help, so they actually did pull it off by themselves. L.O.W. is acting like KP was there all the way. & No offense to Jrue. They definitely needed him
Everything that i heard was facts. You couldve placed numerous people in Tatums position and they wouldve won. I hate watching Tatum sometimes because he limits himself by being braindead smh hes on the court trying to be everybody EXCEPT himself sometimes (harden, steph, kobe) instead of taking advantage of his own attributes smmfh imagine when he finally wakes up and realizes this??? He'd be a monster 🤷🏾
I agree with everything you said low, But let’s not also erase 7 years of postseason success. These guys have led the Boston Celtics to deep runs every year. So the additions that were made was also in effect to helping them get over that hump. If we didn’t have Jrue and Kp JB and Jt coulda played lights out and we probably still would’ve lost to the mavs. So I think they’ve earned the right to become shot chuckers essentially after basically holding this franchise down for so long.
They won’t have an amazing team moving forward and the east won’t be injured and you won’t face a Mavs team that was carried by two players. The role players won this title and the Celtics will be paying Tatum and brown crazy money for being mediocre at best
@@jettheinrich19 as long as Cuban is in charge if they are playing the Mavericks, that is exactly what you will see. Cuban had the blueprint from the dirt teams right in his face yet because they made a conference finals with Luca and Brunson. He thought they could do the same thing with the same type of swat with Luca and Kyrie
@@KingHampton-ul1iw luka can get back there for sure I think he’s the best player in the league. However the Mavs know they cannot win with total shit around luka and kyrie, a team like this Mavs team won’t be there again. It’s a testament to luka and kyrie they got here.
Glad you telling the truth LOW i thought the same thing. Everyone's arguing over who is better they both played below average on a stacked roster which is concerning
How is that concerning? If they were better players they wouldn't have needed the stacked roster. You guys say they aren't good so their gm gives them the help they need to win like superstar players
@@Intr0vertical brown was the best player in that finals as a #2 option against golden state yet played like a true #1 option and was the reason why they even won two games to began with , Tatum is on fraud watch .
@CoryJones-mj9on that's just cap lol. We won those games cuz of the bench. JT had a shoulder and wrist injury in those finals. There's a reason he gets the most defensive attention. Some days I wish you guys would see JB as a number 1 for a full season to see how shit is
It's a total L. If you listen to half of it, he's contradicting himself on numerous points. He's wrong on Jaylon Brown, he contradicts himself when he has to admit Brown improved his shot but says he's basically the same player as last year 30 seconds later. Low talks a lot and is wrong loud. It's sad we live in an era where people value that.
@@firestick4731exactly the point. He caters to non-ball players or knowers. He keeps believing it has to be one person leading the charge like a luka cause that just seems more appealing to people
Jrue Holiday was the mvp. His defense and how versatile he was on each game was crazy. He had a game of scoring, another game of top tier defense, a game of great facilitating, great passing game. And he was well rounded on the last game. His performance was crazy.
I think it was Game 2 when Mavs was getting blown out and both sides empty the bench but Tatum has stayed in all the way till the middle of the 4th and I just thought that he was that padding he was putting up a lot of shots he even did that in game 5 trying to keep the stats close and he did
Tatum took a big leap this year when it comes to play making, i think his focus and leadership on the floor was a huge reason this team finally made it over the hump
when the series was in the balance, games 1-3 jaylen brown was the best player and the reason they went up 3-0 therefore to me as long as they closed it out in 4 or 5 it was jaylen browns fmvp
Nah he gotta get credit for that he collapsed the defense and consistently made the right decision that’s the ONLY thing he should get credit for shooting was ass and you 6’8 you should be getting rebounds
Even if he didn’t get the assist the Mavs were running to close out on the player he passed to and often times that player made another pass to another wide open shooter
No we not. You're just not watching the games if you think jt wasn't creating free looks at the rim and from three because the whole defence collapsed on him
This is completely unhinged. You need to talk to someone about your problem. Did you just talk about Brown and Tatum "underperforming" for 14 minutes straight without even mentioning defence? And then said: " - You don't care about facts" ?
I feel you are being a bit biased. Tatum playing off of Luka on defense, allows him to do more on offense, just like Brown picking up Luka 90 feet justifies him being put in the corner on offense. On a good team if you do more on offense or defense, you can do less on the other side. The reason I think Brown got the MVP: You can say he was 2nd on overall, impact-wise, on both defense and offense. Tatum would be 1st on offense, even with it being not very efficient and maybe 4th on defense or fighting for 3rd. Also, not gonna ho back to rewatch this finals, but it feels like Brown had more moments. (Media ass thing to say, but hey, MVP is a media vote).
I appreciate your content so much bc I thought JB was mvp clearly but u definitely put things into perspective and now I’m on the side that JT is the REAL MVP
jt a bum an wasn't getting shit done on both sides , he stat pad in game 5 and it was already too late especially when the game was decided in the first few minutes of the first quarter by jrue , tabum just did extra shit for himself , brown been cleared that overrated bum on both sides the first three games of that series , you and low know it and I know it .
I don’t think the media members that vote on it are smart enough to see that, they should have people that know the game inside and out, like you, to vote.
To be fair when they ran the half court offense through brown like tatum, they packed the paint also and he made plays also. One game he had 32/8/8. In my opinion Tatum and brown are the same player but slightly reversed lol. Tatum is the better shooter and ball handler, brown the better finisher and defender. Everything else relatively even lol.
It's an incredible video of him being wrong. He's up there posting a Kendrick Perkins post where Perk says he didn't think the Celtics could win with Brown and Tatum and then disagreeing with Perk saying he was wrong. Bro, he's demonstratively wrong. Unlike Low, he's smart enough to admit it.
Honestly the first three games kinda sealed it for me. He was just consistently great shooting at or above 50% those first three games while hitting the dagger shot in game 2. As well as guarding Luka and limiting his efficiency.
At the end of the day, nothing has changed. Jayson Tatum aint this top 5, best player in the league people have been trying to make him out to be. Him and JB are good at basketball but in comparison to a lot of other players they are mid. They're too inconsistent even in the regular season.
JT led the team in its, rbds ast, on 38/26/92 compared to JB 44/23/73. Jt also led in advanced metrics like box +/-, PER, and Vorp Jt was 1 rbd aways from a 31pt triple double in the championship game. He also is the only reason the team was up in game 3 which was the 2nd most important game (he led for the first 3qts) If you removed names, left just a silhouette there showed the stats and asked which player is better, NO ONE in their right mind would choose brown's stats
Sure let's ignore the efficiency and defense from games 1-3 and give it to him because of game 5.... And atleast use the truth... He had the worst TS% of their starters lol
@@loadedbakedpotato6233 bro was outplayed 1-3.... Face it... Tatum has not reached his potential yet... Face it.... And he was getting more assists making no shots and turning the ball Over..... And better defender? 😂😂😂 Tatum glazers are going crazy... Must have been c@ bricks....... Dude played bad for 3 games, had 1 good game... The other was the other way around.... You can argue ECF MVP, not finals MVP.... He built another brick house..... Coaching staff needs to help him fix his shot iq so he can be a top 5 player in the league
@reimixo he played great defense of you on about lmao. Tatum and brown are decimals apart in stls/blks. Also yes Brown did have the better TS%. 53% to tatums 50 But if you wanna go that route brown still had less defensive coverage then jayson and jayson stats are still better including the advanced statistics. Unless you wanna argue that JBs defense was THAT impactful. In that case give FMVP to JRue
@@lucidstudious750 i didn't say he didn't, but he did not play better on either end..... You wanna give Tatum the award for 1 game lol brown outplayed him 1-3.... The series was Over..... In the loss both played bad... If your team is up 3-0 with you shooting under 37% and your teammate is putting same or better Numbers on 55% while playing better defense then you? It's Over..... But if you want to make a case for him, do not lie...... That way you don't have to edit your comments.... Please tell me where you Saw those advanced stats please cause I did not find them so can't say anything about them, but +- is a Trash stat.... Guys going 0-5 and 0-7 had better than brown in game 2 and another game.... But whatever, brown won and rightfully so, don't agree, your problem, the award is his.... Enjoy basketball
Tatum winning has no effect on how im gonna rank him he’s same player with or without the championship. Same with Brown. They literally beat Luka in the finals and I’m still going to tell you that Luka is a better player.
KP was given up on by 3 different teams. The bucks willingly gave Jrue away. D White was on the bench in San Antonio. How did this past season go for Grant Williams and Marcus Smart ??? Seems alot more to me like guys are benefiting from playing with the J's more than the other way around.
At the end of the day they won it all, that’s the goal, call how you want, they played good enough to get the job done and complete the ultimate goal. The expectations were win a ring, not win a ring and shot 50-40-90
Your right but for you to discredit Tatum and Brown is crazy. Yeah they were inefficient but they still got it done, they showed up and did well when they needed to, also they’re team stepped up when they needed.
I’m a Celtics fan and….. you couldn’t have said it better. I love those guys but idk how you could WATCH THE GAMES and not see what’s going on. Edit: when I say “you” I’m referring to delusional Celtics fans not LOW
DOWN Low's ignorance on Larry Bird is outstanding. Larry Bird dropped 26 13 and 7 in a 3-1 comeback vs the MVP Dr J and superteam 76ers the series prior. He swept the rockets in 1980. Larry bird didnt even have a top 3 roster in the league in 1981. More like Tim Duncan in 07 than Bird
Lets talk about that man Jrue Holiday's legacy 2 Chips in 3 years with 2 different teams Joel was right the Bucks did hand Boston the Chip by trading Jrue SMH
JB & JT ARE BROTHERS..CELTICS HAVE 18 TITLES… ALL THE HATE IN THE WORLD CANT TAKE THAT AWAY… GO CELTICS.. WE RUN THE NBA☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆☘️🏆
I hope he said this same thing about giannis cuz nothing about giannis game changed from 2020 to 2021 the only thing that changed was that his team got better but we all know he didn’t
LOW, nothing you said matters when you win. Stats do not mean a thing when you win, and the fact that the team was well built enough isn’t a bad thing.
Honestly if im a Celtics fan I wouldn't give any energy to outside noise trying to diminish what your team accomplished. Winning an NBA title is ver very hard. Enjoy it man.
1:17 no it isn’t. It proven you can win with those guys as your 1a and 1b. This “oh the front office did their job” BS has to stop. Literally every player in the top 10 (Unless Hakeem is in your top 10) had a great team around them. Expecting Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown to have a subpar team and win is stupid. The craziest thing about all this is we are talking about a 26 and 27 year old too. What players have done what they have done at this age?
@@Intr0vertical “in their own right” lmao fuck you mean stop the cap just look up the roster at the time shit was ass the 3rd best player was Kevin love. We had fucking James jones coming off the bench for solid role minutes tf are you even saying the team was garbage it was kyrie and bron vs the warriors. With delly holding it down on defense
@@Nick-sr4febrain dead boy I said the 2016 Cavs team who tf mentioned the heat?????😭 now swear on your life that the 2016 cavs had a competent roster compared to the warriors.
Brown got the FMVP because of Tatum, yes he shot poor but he drew the double team every time he put the ball on the floor. Whenever brown gets the ball, it’s always single coverage,
Everytime a player lead a team in every stat it was a locked mvp Bron jokic td etc Media hate so much tatum that he is the only one that didnt win the mvp Everybody that knows ball knows that fmvp was JT
Lu dort was by far the best luka defender I fw luka but dort had luka crying the way he was committed to getting over screens and bumping luka off his spot
@thelowpost Look at Joe interview, he said that he asks his players to keep shooting the threes to stretch the floor and keep the opposing defense guessing. I feel like you’re taking away a lot from them especially mentioning porzingis when he only played 4 games this postseason. If Tatum played like SGA or Ant and only shot based on drives he would average 30 but his team would have less options but the Celtics game plan was always for him to shoot 3’s for some reason. When you lead your Championship team in points rebound and assist while drawing the whole defense. Luka shot a similar percentage as him from the field but since his team is weaker it doesn’t count ? Then Luka is probably the second worst volume shooter in the past 25 years and Steph is a close 3rd because Steph is shooting 45% for Tatum 44%, Kobe shot 44.8% from the field. Now Tatum doesn’t look as bad anymore. In the end the Overall and average production of Tatum is still Elite, and it might not have been spread the way you’d want but it was done, every championship got bailed out by role players but somehow when it’s Tatum and Brown the situation is « Unique »
😂 so this went from a why Tatum deserves fmvp to criticizing both their flaws and saying the Celtics front office is the true mvp cause they made a roster that cld still win with two mid players
No I feel like Tatum was to inefficient to win yeah he playmaked well but he did the pass brown did when they collapsed Tatum the held the ball longer so when he passed they shot it while brown made a quick move and pass so it will be pass pass shot so no assist in the stat sheet and brown was more impactful offensively and defensively in the fist 3 games and I felt like it solidified it because when you up 3-0 the series is most likely over in 4 or 5 and Tatum was left open to they both had shot bad from 3 so he deserved it and the defense he played on Luka in game 5 he literally took him out of the game mentality
Your argument isnt enough to hand Tatum mvp over Brown. Tatums play making can be cancelled by Browns defensive task, stops and blocks. Now lets match the points scored and crucial points scored, which Brown edges Tatum to it. When bucket was really needed, #7 was answering the call. Even Tatum knew Brown was ahead of him in that race and you could see him pushing for it in game 5. Brown deserved it hands down.
The best team wins the nba finals we know this. You said all that about Tatum but it doesn’t take away from the fact that he had one of the best seasons in NBA history plus playoffs only losing 3 games. Just give them their credit. Fuck the advanced stats they hooped n got it done. SIMPLE
Like you said, his team had the best season. HIS TEAM not Tatum or Brown. He literally said in the video people should talk about the team not just them 2. This ain’t no Curry and Klay situation where the rest of the team did Okay
@@DeeJayVon as the leader of his team he deserves the credit. Every great team has a head of the ship. Curry for the warriors, Jokic for the Nuggets, LeBron for his teams, etc. So to my point. Tatum is the head of the Celtics ship. The team runs through him and he gets everyone else involved making the team better. It’s been that way all season so for anyone to discredit their run because there’s no I in team, you look and sound like idiots.
@@DeeJayVon and to say it ain no Curry and Klay situation just tells me how much ball you watch. The 2022 warriors had the best defense in the NBA. Check the stats. They were just “okay” they were ELITE.
i believe they gave it to brown cuz tatum was too obvious for the sportsbook for winning fmvp and so they just wanted to rob the people one last time before the season ends
