Bryce's biggest issue will always be Stroud being great off the jump. He would have to pass him up to lose that bust tag, but that looks less and less likely.
No, the biggest issue is him being terrible and regularly being shut out, rarely throwing TDs. If Stroud stunk, Panthers fans would still want Bryce to be benched and never return.
He wouldn't need to pass him up. Remember the Giants gave up a fortune to trade for Eli and passed on Rivers and Roethlisberger, who both are objectively better QBs. And yet nobody thinks the Giants made a bad trade because Eli was a reliable starter for over a decade and won them two Super Bowls.
He doesn't need to be better than Stroud. He just needs to be better than average. QB is a crap shoot and it's not Bryce's job to justify what Carolina paid to draft him. He just needs to justify a decision to keep playing him.
His biggest issue is that he’s built like a high school sophomore. Has woke culture brainwashed people so much that they can’t even see this shit anymore? There is a difference between short and small, Bryce isn’t just short or small, he’s tiny. He’s tiny for a college D2 player. I guess this isn’t surprising, there are chunks of people who don’t see issues with men beating the shit out of women in combative sports.
I Dont understand why they didn't let Young play in pre season against the 2nd and 3rd stringers and let him smoke some of them and get a bit of swag back.
Stroud is far and away the exception. This era of trying to bring in rookie QB's to start for bad teams and expecting great results is dumb. Not defending Brice's play, but damn. What did people truly expect? What's good in Carolina right now?
The offensive line is good. The receivers aren't terrible. And yet Bryce is the worst QB in the NFL. At some point you have to start holding him accountable.
@@unc54it's good this year and the weapons are good this year. He definitely was ruined last year and this year the situation is better but he's already either done or needs to sit this season
I think it’s true yeah that some of these QB’s need to be sat for at least a few games to learn. But also I think it doesn’t help when so many are compared as “oh he’s the next…” I mean look at TLaw and Luck. They’ve both been compared as the next Luck or Manning prospect. And yeah have performed better but I’d argue had just as bad of teams in their first couple of years outside of maybe a couple of good players.
Cam Newton, Luck, CJ, RG3, Russel Wilson, Baker, Dak, Matt Ryan, Herbert, Wentz, etc.... All had productive rookie years while showing big growth throughout their rookie year. That was just off the top of my head. NFL QBs bust all the time. Either you can hang or you can't. 18 games is plenty of evidence to see if you can hang.
To me, this is the right call, just to try to protect whats left of his confidence. They can't protect him enough to give him a chance and he's starting to get gun shy. You don't want to let him get to the point he becomes Darnold in NY or Rosen in AZ. Gotta address things before you throw him back out there
We need to stop this narrative that Bryce isn't protected. The stats in fact to point to him being one of the most protected QBs and yet his play has never been worse.
Bro was dubbed the Steph Curry of football maybe give him a participation medal to get his confidence back or give him 5 inch platforms is what he really needs 🤣🤣
I thought this was all Tepper but thinking more (I am a Tampa fan who respects and still loves Coach C), the more I feel this is Dave C protecting Bryce and maybe working with him more ... I agree with this comment ... Dave C doesn't want to lose the locker room like the guys said but also doesn't want to COMPLETELY ruin Bryce's confidence ... I think during that press conference Dave C was more showing "hey Bryce .. I still support you and got your back" vs "yeah ... he sucked out there" ... Dave C is a positive and upbeat guy in my view and wants to help Bryce (not just because "he has to")
For me, the goal of the Panthers should be to find out if they have enough of a team around Bryce Young to properly evaluate him. Putting Andy Dalton in, who we know is a totally mid, but NFL caliber quarterback will allow them to do so. If the team looks functional with Dalton, we know Young was the problem. If they are still a train wreck with the red rifle, then there are too many other issues on that offense to say Young is a bust. So to me it makes perfect sense to put Dalton in there so they can evaluate the rest of the offense.
Let's say in five games (if they do go that long with Bryce as the back-up), and they rattle of three wins and two losses, but the losses are one possession game. What will they do then? Do they keep with Andy until the season ends, or do they put Bryce back in at any point and sit him until next year.
@@richard45359Late in the year give Bryce another shot to gauge progress. If they’re still looking competitive, it’s progress. If he still looks like shit throw Jack Plummer out there for a few drives just to see if he’s maybe worth retaining.
@jayr5277 Against who? There are no teams after the bye week besides maybe Arizona that I would feel comfortable with putting him back in. Cause it's Chiefs, Bucs, Eagles, Cowboys, Cardinals, Bucs, and Falcons. Unless Bryce becomes the next Trey Lance, and we trade him if he's not the answer for even a fraction of what we got to trade up for him. If he is, then put him back in. I know he has it cause he beat Houston and Atlanta and a good game against Green Bay (granted, that was against a Joe Berry Defense)
@@richard45359 I forgot they actually have a pretty rough second half of the year. I’d probably say either Eagles (I’ll be honest, I’m not sure the Eagles are that good right now. Might not seem as tough by then as they do now considering their D), Cowboys (Sorta same, the D is gonna expose one of the NFC East teams I think), but most likely Cardinals and then ride the stretch unless he looks awful. Thing that makes me more nervous about it though is the last 2 games are road games and I’ve noticed he really, REALLY struggles on the road right now. Maybe it is best to just keep him out this year. Hard to say.
@jayr5277 Unless you bring him back against the Giants in Germany. Cause that will be a good opportunity to see progress and then it's our bye week afterward. Then, if he looks, he's good, then I'll say keep him in. if he can't even get 100 yards passing against the Giants (who are going through their own problems), and only put up 10 points, then shelve him until next year, so he has next year to prove himself.
We would be saying the same thing about Tray Lance they gave up 3 first round picks for him, the 49ners got so lucky they got Prudy so everybody forgot
Lance's issue was injury (dude had like four career starts) and not solely because of bad on-field play (though it certainly wasn't good in the small sample size). Purdy just came in and immediately took over. If Lance played an entire season and was as bad as Bryce, it would be much more comparable.
@darnell16player yeah you can? In practice and scrimmages the coaches obviously saw it wasn't working. There's a lot more we can't see, and what we did see lines up with what we can infer was similar to performances behind the scenes.
@@Generic_Name_1-1 No you can’t. That’s too presumptuous to do so and it makes you look like a fool for doing that. Judging a person with four starts isn’t smart. It makes you sound foolish because you don’t assume someone and their talent based off of that. You need more of a sample size than that and being hasty gets you in trouble
The Panthers o-line has allowed the least amount of pressure this season, and the Panther's weapons are Diontae Johnson (an established WR2), Adam Thielen (who had a 1000 yards last year), and Xavier Legette (a high upside WR drafted in the 1st round). Anyone who think it's justified for Bryce to be the worst QB in the league is just arguing in bad faith.
@@Ancientbalijo, ah, that makes sense, I think it was the word "justified" and "arguing in bad faith". It would have made a lot more sense to me if it ended with " he's the worst QB in the league and lacks the excuse of bad team mates, any anyone who argues otherwise are just lying or full of it."
@@maozedong1913 Bad faith arguing is arguing disingenuously. In this context, someone who knows their argument is wrong or flimsy, but is still defending it anyway for one reason or another. Also, a strawman is probably the most common version of bad faith arguing.
Diontae Johnson is a decent #2 acting as a #1. Legette has upside. Legette is not a #2 today. Theilen is nice TE if you're the Bucs. He needs help to be effective. He's not a Gronk that's just plows through everyone for 10 yards. He's not a Jason Witten safety blanket either. There's nobody to really build an offense around.
Is it really? Statistically, they're not really that different and Bryce lacks any of the physical tools Jamarcus had. On top of that people don't know that Bryce actually took most of this offseason off unwinding rather than improving his game. I don't think he has a poor work ethic but he also doesn't prioritize football which is not at all something you want in a franchise QB, especially one the Panthers invested so much into.
Everyone forgetting that at the time, the Panthers coaching team clearly wanted Stroud, not young. Young was drafted by David Tepper. Then he probably fired Frank Reich et al when they told him Young wasn’t going to work out.
@@wheetthin Source? - go and watch any of the interactions between the coaching staff and Stroud during the draft process, and go back and watch Frank Reichs press conference when he was asked about drafting Young 1st overall - how’s that. Hopefully you’re intelligent enough to find those, as you clearly think you’re smart enough to be a troll on the internet
I also feel like the art of QB development, which centers primarily around patience, has been waning for many years. Also, I feel like since around 2017, most new QBs have really struggled far more often than years prior. And I think it has to do with defensive metas finally shifting after the "golden age" of QBs came to a close. After all, DCs could only deal with getting slapped around for so long before figuring something out. But the things developed to help stop HoF QBs is now the meta that newcomers have to go up against. Imo it's no coincidence that this era comes directly after the golden age ends
I think colleges stopped playing defense completely so now QBs aren't NFL ready. Look up game scores on saturdays. You're seeing 60+ point games 3-4 times every weekend. It's crazy. And I'm not talking about Alabama vs St.Josephs community College for the Blind type game they do week 1 of every year. It will be two division 1 schools putting up over 100 points total. Then that QB comes to the league and plays against TJ Watt and gets raped.
@@tgs5725 Yeah Tom Brady made a similar point that offenses are becoming simplified in college. Which isn't inherently a bad thing but it does make it a lot harder to learn NFL offenses. Combine that with being thrown out there immediately and there's a larger learning gap and less time to do it
Panthers fan here. The media has turned this dude into the most coddled nfl player I’ve ever seen 😂 Isn’t it telling that Bryce Young was trying and that’s what he put on the field?! He was never the guy dude. Looking forward to the Red Rifle 😁
It's insane. I don't care about the Panthers, but when I do watch, it's atrocious. Everyone is basically preaching about fairness, which is not a thing in the NFL. As the HC you can't go back into that locker room and tell those players and coaches that Bryce gives you the best chance to win.
I think playcalling is still a huge problem in terms of Bryce. They called ONE play action pass against the Chargers and flat out didn't try to run the ball in both games to help him settle in.
•Way too small. •Can’t create throwing lanes at the NFL level. •Slow processing. •Not enough arm talent to make up for slower processing. •No confidence and poor body language. •Not enough athleticism to make up for lack of arm talent, size and slow processing. That’s pretty much it.
@@brianm6117 And Justin has plenty of arm talent and has a canon for an arm. The only flaws Justin had, was his inability to get the ball out in time, at times poor decision making and being too quick to run. All of those are tendencies and could be fixed. Some of them seemingly have been as well. A lot of Bryce's faults are physical, and a good deal of them are mental as well, that's the difference between him and Justin Fields.
I wonder if teams will focus more on size now. Bryce looks absolutely terrible, and Kyler is good but he's drastically underperformed his draft position.
As a panthers fan I am extremely happy with this move. Bryce young has been so bad you can't evaluate what you have on that offense. If Dalton comes in and things look just as bad then maybe it isn't Bryce. But if Dalton comes in and things look better you can evaluate the offense as a whole
It was never "just" Bryce. Especially not in his rookie year. But it's about 80% Bryce, and 20% everything else. And what's funny is people acting like the org didn't try to build a roster around him last year; drafted a promising receiver, made the o-line better, drafted an offensive minded HC, etc, etc.
The kid’s confidence is absolutely shattered. It’s good for him to sit, learn, and reset. Best case he gets the F outta Carolina. That place is cursed.
i am not sure AD is it, but i think it's best for him to sit behind a good vet for a bit and learn the "NFL way" for some things .... i want to see that before calling him a bust. Stroud looking SO GOOD and being who the coach at the time actually wanted is hurting Bryce. I mean if CJ looked better but "had alot more issues" where there wasn't that big of a gap between the two... I think he'd feel better
i admit I am a Bucs fan and I am still rooting for Bryce and I love Coach Canalies .... i do admit i have moved a little bit from just "this is a Tepper move, and Dave would have continued to try to help Bryce" .... though I get the logic of Dave C. A) NOT wanting to lose the locker room B) I dont get not giving Bryce pre-season experience C) I COULD see Dave C (leaving Tepper out of it) not wanting to COMPLETELY destroying Bryce's confidence by keeping him in. Like i dont trust the PANTHERS to properly develop Bryce but i do trust Coach Canelies to try to work with him when he can to try to help Bryce out.
I’ve wondered since last season if Carolina picked Stroud and the Texans got Young, would we have seen the opposite results or is the Texans coaching that much better.
I think Canales didn’t play Young in the preseason because he wanted him to sink or swim--and probably sink--in the very public swimming pool of the regular season. Canales didn't draft him, Canales doesn't care about him, and I suspect that at a very early stage into his tenure Canales decided Young was never going to be a good professional qb so the Panthers might as well move on to moving on, the sooner the better. Just my speculation, and of course Tepper had some hand in how it all went down, but whatever happened it seems clear that someone with power in the Carolina front office has decided that five feet nine inches and a strong christian testimony ain't going to cut it in the nfl.
i respectfully disagree (Buc ban here and Coach C was here for a year) ... i can see him going "OK .. he really isn't ready" but i feel he pulled Bryce (maybe yes Tepper's decision too) because he wants to help Bryce and keeping him out there now will just kill any bit of confidence he has left
@@ES-qt6yohe keeps saying that god will guide him. God gives him his confidence, god gives him his trust, god gives him this, god gives him tnat. It’s been his answer to everything right before he was benched and everything after. That’s fine. But god can’t come down to the field and make plays for you. God can’t keep the locker room for you. God gave you a talent but god can’t help you dictate what you do with it. Like.. he’s not saying anything that relates to football when he’s talking about his faith. It doesn’t even make any sense.
I think the media and a lot of the newer fans are forgetting the importance part about the nfl and I'll use Herm Edward words "you play to win the game" and bryce young is not doing that one bit hell his best game sorry Tom but it was against a college defense of the packers and when he's against a nfl defense he sucks and last year week 3 showed that Andy can still be a ok to good QB with a trouble offense and now that they got better he should do good
As a panthers fan it kinda depends on how Andy Dalton looks. If he looks terrible like Bryce i would say dont draft a qb #1 but if Andy looks like a respectable NFL starting qb i think qb is deff in the cards.
Obviously, Stroud and Bryce are going to be compared, but are we just going to neglect that Stroud has a whole ass super team and bryce has nothing? Last time I checked, McCaffery, Brian Burns, and Dj Moore were traded away/left. Those were their best players. The Panthers only got worse. The Texans added Mixon, Collins, Dell, Diggs, and the Defensive rookie of the year. They are trying to make Stroud successful. Bryce was thrown into a horrid situation with a horrid team and a horrid owner. Switch Stroud and Young's situations, and I guarantee you'd be surprised. All I'm saying is that Bryce wasn't put in the best situation. The Panthers don't have the pieces for him to succeed, and it doesn't seem like they care enough to give him said pieces. Comparing Stroud to Bryce is not only illogical but just kinda gross.
If they are giving up on Bryce this early in the season, why did they not start Dalton game 1. I know Andy is a backup for a reason now, but what was Bryce doing during the offseason to out perform Dalton?
I feel like this was something this should've been done about loss 8 last year, or as soon as Reich was let go. The NFC south was not as competitive last year (Bucs/Saints topped at 9-8). Not to completely shelf Bryce but at some point it's too many cooks and bad practice, while also dealing with the obvious bad ownership, some positivity and goodwill needed to occur and maybe if the Panthers eeked out two or three more wins there would be a better optimism and culture in Carolina.
-He's historically small as a QB, like one of the shortest QBs in NFL history, and is incredibly light weight wise. You can literally watch him hop to throw passes in the flat to his running backs. -He needs to take deeper drops but lacks the arm strength of guys like Allen or Mahomes to compensate and rip that ball into the necessary windows. -He's skittish in the pocket and his footwork is a mess. When he's not rushing throws or prematurely bailing out of the pocket due to imaginary pressure, he's not setting his feet to actually make throws to his receivers. It's true that the Panthers haven't exactly helped him, but there are plenty of film breakdowns on RU-vid showing that Bryce Young is also just really bad at playing QB.
I am not sure on this benching being the best thing for him considering his confidence is probably shot to dust. He had no offensive line to protect him like even against the chargers on that blitz when he ran out that was a good thing. His receivers can’t separate worth a damn and the running game there don’t exist it’s literally 10 v 11 every snap like I don’t know how people don’t see any of this
Doesn’t matter anyway. The Panthers aren’t go anywhere. They gonna get a no.1 draft pick and they’ll be in the same situation. Bryce Young might be bad but it’s the team’s fault since they draft him and expect him to save an entire franchise without any help in his rookie year.
It isn't Bryce. The Panthers kill QBs. If I were on a team with an aging QB, I would sign him for a mill a year to just sit, decompress, and train. Put him in after a season or two.
I know that Tom wants to be positive, but he’s missing the forest for the trees; Dave Canales was brought in to “fix” Bryce Young, and it’s clear that Canales told the organization that there’s no fixing him. Bryce is short. That can’t be fixed. He’s also slow. That sorta kinda can be fixed but not really. He never should have been drafted in the first round, and certainly not at #2. Organizations have got to stop listening to the morons at ESPN.
The thing is, it *does* actually change things substantially. If Andy plays even half as good as he did last year against Seattle, Bryce will never see the QB1 spot barring injury again. Our playbooks, two years and three coaches in a row now, have been completely closed off, all while these three men with absolutely nothing in common stylistically have said that they only put plays in the playbook that Bryce personally feels comfortable with. Bryce gets an outsized amount of control on said playbook for having shown absolutely no willingness to be creative or stretch the field. He's lost, and we're lost as long as he's playing. If Andy looks just as bad over the next two weeks, then it's a Canales problem and Tepper will be paying 3 different men for the privilege to no longer coach this team. If he looks better, Canales has a job and his pick of QB in 2025 or 2026. If he looks incredible, we'll know the QB whispering stuff only works on people above 6'0".
Also Bryce has played so bad that you can't even evaluate the rest of the team. Is the receiving core just that bad? Or is it the qb. Is the defense that bad or is it gassed from being on the field all the time.
I think he needs to step back and revaluate. I've heard it said that his small size requires him to be able to throw accurately on the run. He can't seem to do that in my uneducated opinion.
The Problem with these "High" pick players is they don't really Face Real Opponets in Collage.. most of the time they play Second Rate schools that have nothing.... they get that EGO high then come into the pros and get crushed... mid pick QB's are better as there isn't alot of pressure. Loook at Baker. he was trash because the team is shit... now look at baker... Panthers are just ran like Garbage..
College Football is so dependent on schemes and play designs these days. A lot of plug and play. Not so much individual coaching. QBs and OLs aren’t coming into the league as developed as they used to be.
If Carolina tries to pick Arch Manning, we WILL see an Eli situation again. There is no chance in hell either he or his family will accept going to that team with how they've done Bryce Young.
Arch will probably just return to Texas at that point. Not as much reason for him to come out right away in the NIL world if he feels it’ll be a bad fit.
Dude was set up to fail. You could put Mahomes or any other QB in that same situation and they’d be just as bad. Teams don’t take time to develop rookie QB’s anymore and it shows on the field. You’re not gonna hit the jackpot with a CJ Stroud every time.
The Panthers o-line has allowed the least amount of pressure in the first two weeks. The Panthers primary weapons are Diontae Johnson who is a good WR2 in the league, Adam Thielen who had a 1000 yards last year, and Xavier Legette who was drafted in the 1st round. You also have a decent running game with Chuba Hubbard. Mahomes would win the NFC South with this lineup.
And you have all these super demanding fans who want a Super Bowl win RIGHT NOW, and when you tell them the new QB needs at least some time on the bench and working with coaches in order to adjust to the speed and conditions of the NFL, and they scream at you.
He has a better o line this year than last and he has actually regressed. He's too small and his arm is too weak. That's fine but you have to have good football IQ to compensate. Unfortunately he has failed their too. He's not picking up easy blitz. Hes not even seeing wide open receivers, and unfortunately he doesn't have the elite physical skills to compensate.
@@unc54It doesn’t necessarily undo the damage the decision of keeping him in last year did though. It caused him to commit bad in-game habits to memory. Will take time to coach out of him. Hopefully the benching helps them do that.
The issue is simple To small Social anxiety Not a larger than life personality Can't read defenses To quite Never faced real adversity until now His teammates are frustrated with him We don't want Bryce young in Carolina
@@Capydachi exactly Frank one CJ Stroud the media told us we were going to take Anthony Richardson I even wanted Anthony Richardson. That was even this guy on Reddit who said we were going to take will levis
