The Real Problem With Marner's Contract + Will Ovechkin Break The Goal Record THIS Season? | SDP 

Marner for Ogdon + 2nd

Hahahah yes!! Let's goooo

It's not that anyhow. A player needs to replace another player. So what you'd really be replacing is 12 million dollars plus 1 or 2 times at least 800k.

@@kurtwpg Huh ? you replace on the roster, not 1:1. In reality they could use a deepth guy to replace 1:1 and the other replacement guys as bonus.

@@dieselbrodeur Simple. If you replace Marner plus at least one other player, the dollars available are equal to all players that are replaced.

6m savings when Tavares signs for 5 mil plus saving 12m not resigning marner is 18m plus 3 mil for letting Liljegren walk and 3m for trading kampf is 24m. You could have added Parayko 6m, Stamkos 8m, Marchesault 6m p.kane 5.5m and had a lineup that was deep. Domi Matthews Nylander Marchesault Stamkos P.Kane Knies Tavares Minten Jarnkrok mcmann Reaves Rielly Tanev OEL Parayko Benoit McCabe Timmins

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i'm just gonna use bob ogden as the proxy player refering to the anchor contract... and to dunk on edmonton, they have a bob ogden on d

Thing is Gretzky already retired by this point in Ovi's career. As a Caps fan and love Ovi but Gretzky did it with a redline, no touch up offsides, a wood stick so no 100 mph shot in the slot. A clutch and grab era with way more violence. Gretzky was that good. Plus add his assists. Like wow!!!!

@@bikingD No one's saying Ovi would be better than Gretzky if he breaks the record lol. It would just be a great thing to add to his career "list of achievements".

​​@@bikingDyou also have to take into account it was an era where goalies had egg cartons taped to their legs and the average GPG was far higher than it is today. The Hockey Guy did a great breakdown of scoring trends in a video on the Dead Puck Era not too long ago.

​@@bikingDthat's also just objectively not true, unless you're strictly talking about age. Gretzky has 1487 GP over 19 seasons (79-80 to 98-99) while Ovi has 1426 GP over 18 seasons (05-06 to 23-24), both including 2 lockout shortened seasons.

@@BarnJ Ok let's even the field. Gretzky .59 goals a game. Ovi .59 goals a game. Identical except Gretzky has more assists than anyone by a country mile. No way comparing the two. Ovi is great but lots of others even goal scorers better. Shortened because of injury but Bossy averaged way more than either Gretzky or Ovi. Pure goal scorers easily the best.

With how Matthews performs in the playoffs I don't even think he's worth his contract

Unfortunately for Marner I sort of doubt he even gets a pay raise on his new contract next year (whether with the Leafs or another team). Vegas, Tampa, Col and Fla have shown how to structure a roster cap wise to win cups. His willingness to sign another contract for less that $12M AAV will dictate if he gets traded.

Coincidentally one of ways "All 4 lines" get goin is when you dont leave 8 million to sign 6 players that will be on the ice a ton. Our bottom lines get exsposed by every team and our 12 Million dollar cap hitters get injured in the playoffs now your out 3 impact players at 4 million in the lineup behind Matthews and Nylander. All 4 lines in is the key, gotta spread the cap better than into 4 guys

Hyman, Bert and Brown over crybaby

Look at Ehlers playoff stats 37 playoff games 4 goals and 10 assists. He 100% isn't a guy the leafs want for a playoff run.

@@late3619 he's been farther in the playoffs during his career than the leafs have been.

​@@late3619totally fair point, not saying I would make that trade just trying to put out something in the realm of possible. I don't know if it would be realistic to expect to get proven playoff performers back for MM

@@patrickgoulet8170 So what, he hasn't contributed to the teams success.

Even looking at guys on the trade block Chykrun and Necas + a 2 milion dollar player would have gone a long way.

​@crushdavis7048 yup. Although I'd argue Tavares is hurting them more than Marner. If they hadnt signed Tavares they couldve signed Pietrangelo as a FA a few years ago and had a few mill leftover

You can't also just say instead of paying Marner 12 you could have these 3 players for 4 each and then choose some of the biggest contract steals in the league. That's like saying well Colorado instead of paying Mackinnon 13mill is better off paying Draisaitl (7.5) Bedard (950,000) Lafreniere (2.5) L. Thompson (766,000) and a league min role player. Like yeah of course any team would rather pay that, but that's because all these players play way above their contract value. If you're making this hypothetical Marner scenario actually pick players that are worth their 4 million dollar cap hits. Which I still think the leafs are better off doing, just don't pretend like finding players that play at Oettinger's/Bourchad's level for 4 million is the norm.

Whine and moan now about this but meanwhile they're still doing it, do you think that tanev contract is going to be awesome in three years? Like if that's how they spend the extra cap space wtf is the point?

If they let the leafs sign the contracts everyone is probably an 8 million dollar player. You would have to trade for those contracts because obviously they don't know how to do it themselves.

LOL, Willie get's all the easier playoff matchups. 55 games of career stats for Willie who was on pace for 126 points and ended up with 98 after his contract signing. If or when Marner is gone and Willie get's the topline and d-pairing matchup in the playoffs, let's see how well he does. Marner +10 in playoffs Willie +1 Matthews +2 Tavares -10 Rielly +14. Who are the real best playoff performers?

@@late3619 Marner played more with Mathews and Nylander played more with Tavares. You play with better players you get a better +/-. Marner got 85 points compared to willies 98 points last season. In the playoffs Mathews and domi had 4 points, Nylander had 3 points in 4 games and Marner had 3 points in 7 games. Willy is the better player but in the end we have way too many high paid players on the team and we have to balance the team. Since Willy is locked in with No Move Clause for 8 years and Mathews the same for 5 years they are staying. Marner and Tavares have to be reduced or eliminated to balance the team better. They only have 1 season of No Move Clause Left.

@@johndesousa7379 If that's the case why is Matthew +2 and Marner a +10. I know Marner is the odd man out but you will see when he is gone the drop off in the playoffs for Nylander playing against tougher matchups.

No one looks at John's stats

How many of those points came against the panthers, canadiens, and bruins? Or how about games 5-7? He NEVER shows up when they NEED to win

Don’t try to say Marner shows up in the playoffs

Yeah I won’t lie. He kinda looks like he’s going through the motions this last year. Understandable he’s older now. But if he could ever train and get in shape for this season he could have the record this year

Considering he doesn’t rlly have to move to score and he got 30 last year w an awful team around him. I say he gets 30 again cause now he’s at least got a couple guys who aren’t 3rd liner or old asf around him.

20 with 10 as open netters. The caps org will make sure he is on the ice when there is an open net opportunity

Wrong

@@jonah.donohue Kay

its not like we've ever run someone out of town before, then regretted it... right... the simple truth is when you shop in the 4-5 mil players... theres a very good chance one or two of them WILL be total busts....

Marner is still on the younger side, while Tavares is getting long in the tooth so to speak. You take away Tavares Game 6 OT series clincher against the Bolts, and tell me what Tavares has actually done in the playoffs for the Leafs! Marner is still the better money value over Tavares. Let us talk about Matthews. What exactly has he done clutch in playoffs games? Maybe early in a series, but late in series or to clinch, he has done nothing!

Marner trash

Marner is the leading point getter. How many wins has that gotten them in the 3rd round, though? How many games have they played in the Stanley Cup Final with him? How many times has he scored series winning goals that you should be scoring for 11 million dollars? Bottom line is y'all don't want a winner. You just want a regular season team that puts up empty numbers and loses in round 1 (or gets lucky enough to lose in round 2) every year. If you don't want that, then tell me how keeping a core that has the same number of 2nd round playoff GAME wins as losses to their own AHL Zamboni driver in almost a decade together is gonna somehow work differently than it has before. Until you prove it to me in a way that actually makes sense with reality, you don't want a winner. Most expensive tickets in hockey can't buy you passion, apparently.

@Jrodsly And all of Leafs misfortunes are one player's fault. Long speech, no logic.

Because most people are nationalist? And because Ovie is likable (and a genuinely better goal scorer than Gretzky, although many of today's players are as well).

To witness it.

Most points out of the core 4

was the worst player out the core 4 in the playoffs. and had a hissy fit on the bench🤣 Marner is too soft for the playoffs

@@bryanwouters443 he has the most points tho and it’s not like papi and nylander and taveres are the toughest guys on the team😂 I don’t think they should keep him at all but I don’t think the playoff performance is because of it it’s because you can’t pay 4 ppl 50% of the cap

You maybe can but at least one of those guys should be a top of the league D. Paying a 2nd line winger 11+ per year is nuts

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2 really good players for 11 m

if they re-sign Tavares? they are out of their minds lol

I'd love to hear more about "they've come close too many times to look for a new plan". Too close to what, exactly? The Leafs would still be solid even without Marner, why would they rebuild ??? Management is definitely dumb, they were handcuffed against the cap, and handed the cap increase to those same top players handcuffing the team.

They would need tl rebuild bc if they break what they have there is a risk they might end up with a really bad team and down another pawn. Theyve gambled a lot. Ive heard Steve say it before... how many forst round picks do they have left? And what assets do they really have? Nylander? Matthews is off the table. Tavares is out next year. Reilly??? They have almost nothing.

We can't just look at the short term, theres a long term to look at. I wouldnt be surprised if they trade Bob next year, bc Tavares is done next year. But running it back with a few tweaks actually really makes sense.

@@valdizos suggesting a total rebuild because they traded one guy and still have a bunch of studs doesn't make much sense. This is also suggesting they get completely fleeced in a trade. Marner can still walk for nothing. Better hope they win it this year. They've tweaked it for years, and got some great performances from players they couldn't keep. Also, picking them up at the deadline isn't a great cost saving measure. And it doesn't matter if they still fail every year. Look how much Vegas paid for Alexander Holtz, or what they sold Logan Thompson for... I'm betting Tavares stays on a hometown discount. That'll free up some money, yes, but doesn't change anything this year. The best hope the Leafs have this year is that Tanev's arrival stabilizes the defence, and Woll stays healthy. It'll take another 82 games before we really find out. Just so we're clear, I'm in the rival camp being a Habs fan. I've actually found myself cheering the Leafs on in recent times. Not in 2021, although TML should have destroyed the Habs - defeat had been accepted before the series even started. That never happens against Toronto or Boston.

Close to what exactly?