The Realism Fallacy || Getting Tarkoved 

I recently had one of my most pleasing moments ever in tarkov: a pistol run on reserve where I met another pistol runner and, with the janky voice lines, we communicated our intent not to fight but to team up. We ran around the map together looting and took down a geared PMC in the process. It was epic. Having voip and a karma system, as described here, would make these moment so much more common. So I'm all for it.

Gotta give em credit, they made the ULTRA Mall look way better in-game in comparison to it’s real life counterpart

"I assume he has some sorta first aid experience..." Watches my boy fix a bleeding leg wound by wrapping a tourniquet around his arm. Me: yeah, well my character slept through that course I think.

Man I wish tarkov was as smooth as insurgency. The gameplay feels worlds apart

The overall movement of tarkov should be completely reworked, and be more similar to squad. That ADADAD is just ridiculous, It rewards players that play the game like COD, and it is not the porpouse of the game.

17:06 A few days ago I commented on pestily's ammo video that they should add values for the damage and pen to the bullets description to make it easier and faster for new players to learn them and for them to choose what bullets are good themselves instead of looking at the preferences of for example pestily in his video. The first reaction I got was quite literally : "game not made to be easy. noobs must learn hard way". Such a stupid argument for a quality of life sugestion. Why would they have to learn it the hard way? makes no sence to me.

Until today you were just a guitar pick to me. after this video you are my favourite tarkov content creator. This video explains a lot of my opinions on the "realism" topic and more. I also feel like a learnt a bunch. And if a video is entertaining and educational, you know you hit the mark.

I like this series. It usually starts with a theoretical question then hits you with the hard line of how tarkov's mechanic and code work. Usually ending it me realising how different tarkov is from other games and explaining why i never can hit anything

Being pinned down in Squad with vocal teammates is one of the most immersive experiences you can ever have.

"Apparently they added Gingivitis to the game" - Now THAT's Immersion. love it. P.S. My operating system actually COULD use a reinstall. not gonna lie...

The issue with the realism argument that makes me disregard people who make it, is that people only use realism as an argument when its convenient and supports something they support. They never apply it consistently. Also thank you, the people against VOIP drive me nuts, cause long story short, don't like it? Don't use it. Other players shouldn't have to curtail there ability to have fun with a feature just cause you don't wish to utilize it. Also to the people who say, "Oh it ruins my immersion!" And? How is people spamming voice coms over and over again yelling obscenities and blasting their rifles while spamming the middle finger not the same? Don't see people demanding to remove that.

I really enjoy these theoretical looks at the design of Tarkov, and games in general. Instead of just arguing semantics over minute changes in the flea market or the new recoil meta, we can argue over the very design philosophy of the game itself.

31:07 Thes voice lines are things I love. I like it, when in Battlefield 5 the soldier thanks me for receiving him, or congratulates me on a nasty headshot. It just gives you a better feeling!

Made me realize how dope insurgency is and that I need to play it more

The very issue with the realism argument it that EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO USES IT only uses it when they LIKE no matter if its a positive or negative the change.

As a hobbyist developer, absolutely love this series man. Outstanding writing and insight, and always inspiring.

The diarrhea szenario sums it up perfectly. Also I love the depiction of the screaming dude on the factory toilet. Laughed so hard. Amazing video... As always. :)

Veritas, the spreader of truth and giver of perspective. Keep up the great work and don't let yourself be discouraged by certain comments. It's important to bring the point across and give adequate examples, even if that makes your explanation lengthy. In the hope that this reaches someone who is interested, I would like to add something in regard to cognitive dissonance. I'm not a psychologist or therapist, it's just my experience having to work with this type of thing on daily basis. As a quality engineer for a major software company, it's my task to understand what is going on with our customers in the field, our internal R&D and production processes, sales and aftermarket support. Then to provide feedback and direction on all levels of the company. Logical reduction ( even to the point of absurdity) is what people do as a ( defensive ) reaction to cognitive dissonance. I would argue that reduction is a consequence of cognitive dissonance. An extremely simplified example would be: "I'm so great, I deserve to have a girlfriend. It must be due to my greatness that girls think they don't deserve me." In relation to video games and movies, people tend to simplify and reduce the aspect of what causes them cognitive dissonance to a simple argument. "It's too realistic" or "It's not realistic enough". In reality, people don't really know what "reality" is. In fact, most of the time they are discussing "hyperreality". ( I'm referring to " Simulacra and Simulation", "Hyperreality" and Jean Baudrillard ). An example of that would be: We can all picture an alien, or what it would like to be in a plane crash. Even people that have never seen an alien, or been in a plane crash. This hyperreal representation is what is presented to us, and this "bleeds" into our our belief of what "real" actually is. In movies and video games, these hyperreal representations are sometimes there intentionally, to avoid giving people the unpleasant feeling of cognitive dissonance. They are addressing our common belief and expectations. In a sense, I believe this is why pure fantasy or pure fiction are appealing to so many people. Mixing real and hyperreal elements, causes inconsistencies, which cause unpleasant user experience and feelings, in term caused by this cognitive dissonance. Not only in general terms, but this happens in very specific aspects as well, as pointed out by Veritas. From design ( f.e missing features ) to development ( bugs ) to .... Cognitive dissonance is in fact very important. Just like pain ( that signals you there is something wrong physically ), this dissonance tells you there is something wrong with our understanding, interpretation or expectation. Instead of ignoring it or "reducing" it, we should try to understand what is causing it and fix the root of the problem. Big respect for your work. Thanks Veritas.

those voip situations sound really good

I could imagine VOIP making an even more immersive experience. It could actually help with identifying your teammates. Imagine you're walking around in raid together, talking with each other via VOIP. You can hear each other's voice directionally, and based on distance. If you're constantly communicating in game, you would better be able to understand where each other are. And a little UI element to identify each other is a nice suggestion. It could be something as simple as a white dot, like what you see when you're looking at loot. That absolutely has to be in the game because you often can't distinguish between actually lootable items and props. The same goes for PMCs. Not everyone would have the exact same gear on, and even if they did they'd all be of different stature. Just like you said, maybe it doesn't appear at a certain distance because you can't identify them from that far.

OH JUST YOU WAIT

Ok. I'm still going to destroy collectable body armor tho

i dont know wich ''getting tarkoved'' video i watched first but im damm sure this is one of the best video series around the game.

If anything find a way to make the videos longer, I can listen to your theories and rants for hours even is I dont agree with all of them. You sir certainly have a beautiful mind and you should share it with the world.

Man, this videos really are a journey, they always let me thinking about the game differently than before, thank you very much for the work and commitment to the game, having a consistent critic thought process is difficult but sir you are doing it the right way, always enjoying the content,keep it up!

veritas you always go above and beyond in explaining your thoughts on the game and i really appreciate the time and effort you put in to these vids, they open my mind to more of the game than just use this strat and only use this gun

I absolutely love all of the possibilities you outlined with voip in game. There's been so many times where I've run into someone, and wanted to communicate that I didn't care about what they were doing. Or when I run into someone working on their scav kills, and don't want their stuff.

Lets go dude! Another beautifully crafted video, I hope they take your ideas into consideration and keep improving this incredible game.

Dude, I love that you are making these videos using Tarkov to explore different concepts in game design and even psychology. I started playing Tarkov this past weekend and stumbled on your channel. I was pleasantly surprised and impressed. Keep it up man. 👍

After watching this video fully it pumped me up for the future of Tarkov more than anything I've ever watched. Nice job!

Oh god man... this video is a huge amount of work. Thanks for the topic and dedication. It’s really THOROUGH.

Veritas, your thesis level videos on Tarkov are FANTASTIC! I love the science and break down videos. You make your love of Tarkov well known, with thoughtful and well explained criticisms and critiques of the current game in hopes of a better future game. AND not just bitching but adding some ways these problems can be solved or mitigated. I cannot explain how much I love these types of videos. Also VOIP would be epic AF. It would bring some of the interactions you find in DayZ to the world of Tarkov.

this is in my opinion one of the best demonstrations on how not necessarily the game mechanics immerse the player but the subconscious influences and what people describe as realism in reallity is immersion . Keep up the good work veritas

*Voip will make this game extremely different*

Another amazing video. Literally getting chills from things i didn't even think about. You are really doing a good job with what you are trying to do, with these videos.

don't know if you're ever get a chance to read this Veritas, but i'll type it anyways. The way you portray and try to express and explain ideas , informations , concepts , knowledge is just captivating. I'm not really good at trying to express my self so i might just sound confusing , and if that will be the case, just know that know that thanks to what you said and explained , helped me find a way out of a big personal issue i had IRL in the last few months, so reguardless of the game or whatever people might think or say to and about you, THANK YOU SO MUCH for indirectly helping me shift my point of view and in what ways i could resolve and confront the issue . A random guy thanking you for helpoing in unrelated problems that don't really concern you probably won't mean much , but i still wanted to let you know that this video helped me immensly both in game and with a heavy irl issue. Hope your eyes are better. Love from Italy ♡

Hey bro, i really appreciate the juxtaposition between the virtual firefights of tarkov vs the ones in real life. while one tries to replicate the other, you did an amazing job while not having any combat experience, explaining the harsh reality of what combat really is. great content my man!

Insane effort on this video. These keep getting better and better.

Once again an absolute beauty of a video , I love all the points you made ! Keep it up man

So much work was put into this. Thank you, as a brand new player, you've done a fantastic job of explaining the monotony of "realism". Hope to see you in the thick of it.

Man longer videos going into really unique explanations are the best. Don't stop making them!

awesome vid veritas. loving the long in depth tarkoved series

Holy shit these ideas at the end of the vid are huge! It all ties in so well too, good job!

Every single one of these bring me a sense of elation. You and your mind are beautiful blessings upon the EFT community and you are my favorite content creator. The analysis and depth thereof is amazing, and the comedy splashed in just makes it that much more engaging and fun to have my mind blown away. I cherish every one of these videos, even if I don't always agree with you.

its funny cuz my buddy and i describe your videos as extremely well made and succinct. The concepts you are talking about aren't things that can usually even be well explained in an hour. Fabulous job like the rest of the series

Thank you. I've been saying for weeks Tarkov needs to improve the Squad play. I'm tired of asking for position checks because everyone looks the same and the servers can't keep up with the sound at all.

Very good video. It's rare to come across a video of 51 mins which every seconds was well designed. Good job, sir.

you speak objectively and points across without drawing it out too long. truly sophisticated man. love your work

The best Tarkov metacommentary that exists. You're an asset to the dev team and a great content producer. Keep up the good work :D

Love the video, gave a lot of good points and perspectives, as well as a few chuckles. Keep up the great work

Amazing video, Veritas! Love your analysis and suggestions!

Love your videos, they are not good only on tarkov topic, but teach alot overall... plus everytime I watch new one makes me over and over think about other stuff

OSG Paintball! Great video, incredibly well thought out and said. Thanks for all that you do for the EFT community!

I remember watching one of the streams when you were working on Denial. It sounds sick af man! Thanks for the awesome content always.

Favorite video of the year so far, good stuff man.

Amazing work as usual, you had me cracking up with the astigmatism and gingivitis comments. Using the memory skill for a small center of mass marker might be a cool addition. If your friend swaps his gear during a raid and you haven't made contact yet you could lose the marker and so many more intricacies like that.

God damn dude, that was really well put together. Real shame more people haven't watched it. You kind of exposed what I've felt for a very long time that EFT needs: a game designer.

Once again, the amount of work is incredible. Our full respect for constantly keeping this high quality content Veritas.

Damn dude. It felt like a 10 minutes video. Excellent points been brought up. Awesome video!

Just got the game this morning bc of this series, glad to have another upload.

Loved this video. Great work brother!

Superb Video. Subscribed!!! Looking forward to your next

>has the sponsor in its own chapter you're an absolute gem y'know?

Two of my favorite things. Insurgency Sandstorm and Veritas! Was very surprised to see you going into so much depth on IS, and what it does well. Overall I thought this video was an excellent analysis and discourse on what ‘realism’ should feel like in a shooter. Well done!

You are my favorite content creator for EFT. Your videos are amazingly well thought out and researched. Bravo.

Yet another banger. Keep going my dude!

It's interesting watching a video like this so far in the future and actually having experienced the effects of an addition thoroughly outlined. I am, of course, referring to the addition of VOIP.

Great video dude, really opened my eyes to different ideas for the future of this game

Great video Veritas! Keep up the good work! I agree with most everything you proposed!

This video is blowing my mind, great watch! I enjoy the deep thinking man

I love the Friendly icon discussion. And the link between perception and icons.

Amazing video as usual, had the honor of catching it live on twitch

43:30 Karma system could be really cool! Like someone like therapist giving you more benefits because of your trustworthiness and general good standing and karma whereas someone like skier might take a liking to you for the opposite. Some real cool potential to be had there.

I think one of the most interesting themes you're touching on here is the balance Tarkov has to strike between predictability and unpredictability. Part of the brilliance of Tarkov is that when you hear a step it could be a scav with a pm, a 5 stack of mega-chads, or anywhere in between. The ability to put you in unpredictable situations keeps each raid feeling like a new story that's worth experiencing and even sharing. BUT just like you've mentioned in many of your videos, there are plenty of instances where you expect things to go one way, they don't, and you end up frustrated. So how do we separate unpredictability from inconsistency? How do we remove all the Norman doors without making Tarkov a stale and predictable experience? Which systems need to be simplified and which truly add to the core of the experience? There's so much to explore with the future of Tarkov and what it means for the future of gaming. Each of your videos helps us get a bit closer to appreciating the complexity of the task BSG has undertaken and the importance of what they're trying to create, so thanks for that.

I love your videos man. They are like watching a really good vsauce video, except about tarkov, so its even more engaging. I would love to see more of the getting tarkoved series!

I absolutely loved the friend recognition idea

A subtle indicator for that friend that likes to push too far ahead of the group would be beautiful. Late wipe when it’s either altyn or doesn’t matter, we’ve run untar helmets with new players so that quick identifying of a teammate is easy and can change the whole outcome of a firefight. Great video as always!

Yo Veritas, Great video. You do some world-class analysis and I love watching you explain things that are way over my head. One quick recommendation though. Dont make the videos an argument, make them informative. Otherwise you devalue your message. Keep up the good work man! Youre killing it with these things.

Great video man, you make excellent points. Might have to reinstall Sandstorm again!

Keep doing what you do, you are an amazing content creator. Appreciate it a lot! Really awesome i mean it.

jeeeesh I watched the video, enjoyed it really much and agree with the concept. Then I accidentally checked the time...50min... wow...haven't noticed it really, i thougt it was a usual 10-12min video :D Really cool one :D I got madly disappointed by the desync problem hence why I am here, and now I feel much better. thank you!

I really like these long videos, super interesting!

I see new Getting Tarkoved video, I hit like! Thanks once again Vertias.

Brings a tear to my eye seeing sandstorm here

Duuuude when you brought up negative karma giving you stats to make you more like the cultists was my favorite idea. That would not only give some amazing features that would add endless amounts of hours of gameplay, but also really increase the world’s lore. Fantastic video man keep it up

Keep up with this video series, all these criticisms are valid and, given how BSG has been listening to you and others, will only make Tarkov better. Above all else, I hope the netcode is altered to diminish desync, sound is GREATLY improved, and we're given an FOF ID system. Cant count how many times peakers' advantage got me (holding angles IRL is advantageous), how many times I've given position away simply by ADS (even in full battle rattle does no one make that much noise), and can't count how many times I've accidentally wasted teammates.

Exceptional video Veritas. Bravo

Awesome video man. I love your insight and opinions.

That cover version at the end was SICK, dude.

This guy's ideas are great, but the way he explains and reasons them is amazing.

Well I like these longer video essays, they are thought provoking and interesting. As a long time tarkov player I've seen it change substantially from when I started playing with new maps and guns, new game mechanics and biggest of all the flea market and I still enjoy it. I've allways enjoyed the hard core experience of Tarkov and the points you touched on would be a cool addition to the current game and if you don't like it turn it off simple. I could go on but this series has touched one some excellent ideas on how to better the game as a hole, unfortunately the Tarkov community has a loud minority of people who make them selfs heard weather you want to hear them or not. Out of the group of people I regularly play with most of them agree with the points you've touched on in this series and think they would be great for not only actually playing the game and not playing shopping simulator but also creating more interesting in counters during raids. Great vid and looking forward to the next Churr

Hey brotha good shit on the video, very high quality and detailed i could tell you spent alot of time on it.👌👌🔥

I like this series BECAUSE of its thoroughness. It’s not you average shallow youtube content and it makes you think about things you’d otherwise not lose a single thought over. Thankfully Veritas is confident enough to keep it going.

I've only just started playing Tarkov, and Veritas is already my favourite content creator. The amount of detail and well considered thought in every video is beyond impressive. I absolutely agree with all of the points made here. The most annoying aspect of Tarkov at this moment for me is the inability to positively ID a friendly player. This has lead me to only play solo after getting TK'd so many fucking times. The VOIP and karma score ideas are beautiful. The chance of betrayal and prospects of success when working together is what made DayZ in it's early life so good. Thanks for such a killer video man. Nice work.

such good content. keep it up Veritas!

Great video and very thorough, especially your argumentation about VOIP changed my mind on this topic to some degree. I always thought that a good middle ground would be to create some kind of voice recognition which then fires the respective in-game voice-lines depending of which keywords you say into microphone would be a good solution in keeping with the atmosphere of the game (also this would make those voice-lines much easier to use during firefights and thus they would occur much more often in player to player interaction) would've been a good middle ground, but your arguments about VOIP also definitely make sense. Maybe we could have both and depending on each players preferences they could decide what they want to use.

One thing I've seen from a VR game of all things to indicate teamates is that they have special markings on their gear. (From Ghosts of Tabor) A blue markers on their vests, and a blue glowstick on their belt. It does still leave decerning friend from foe to YOU, but it still gives a way to tell it is/isn't your buddy that you yourself need to notice in game. It's entirely ingame, no special floating markers or set delays and the like, but it still feels like a HUGE deal especially since EVERY character model is identical aside from gear.

LOVE what you do ! keep it up

The bullets penetrating through walls in insurgency look amazing! I cant wait for bullet pen in tarkov, would make the game even more realis... tarkov.

Its been too long since I've had my Veritas fix