The Return of MKLeo's Joker 

Leo's Joker is like a super boss imo, akin to Lingering Will in KH2FM.

You're foreal input some obscure command and you're taken aback

*One Winged Angel plays

And you don't even get a chance to save. So you'll have to fight the main boss again if you lose.

@@MistaMasta420 And if you lose again in grand finals you lose your entire save file and have to replay the game from scratch in another tournament

Dabuz: picks minmin Leo: and i took that personally

I read it with the original voice... that was so crazy XD

Dabuz’s tweet was hilarious after grands in Smash Factor 9

Proto: *Picks minmin* Leo: I sleep Dabuzzy: *Picks Minmin* Leo: *wakes* real shit

@@kimoota-kun what did he tweet?

It's actually crazy, no one is questioning Mkleo skill anymore when Joker first came out and he started winning tourneys with it, everyone putting him in Top Tier. Omega and Naitosharp has been practicing Joker longer since Mkleo dropped him, but they still aren't moving as fast as Mkleo does. Now Mkleo picks up his joker again and he is schmoving faster than they could playing him all day everyday. Even after the Arsene and gun range nerfs, it doesn't matter. Mkleo is just THAT good.

I think his byleth, for the movement byleth is giving him, looks very smooth

@@Scythra Zackray also optimized him and then went on to main 6 other characters just because

@@nathanlevesque7812 yeah and Zackray went on and play Pokémon Unite over the favor of Smash, just because? Is he coming back? No one knows.

@@Scythra I think Joker is top tier, but not enough to undo how much skill he takes. Leo's Joker is just pure skill, though. Terrifying how he took two stocks off another top player in the world *without using Arsene.*

Not sure if this is true. The only time Leo consistently goes Joker any more is specifically for Dabuz; furthermore, just his Min-Min. This level of Joker is the result of a lot of recent offline practice and I'm sure Leo can beat other players with him, but to imply that it would be a 3-0 against practically *any* top 10 player is a little absurd. If this were the case Leo would likely start Joker against more players or at the very least switch to him after losing with Aegis/Byleth, but he does not. Not discrediting Leo, but literally at the start of the video it's stated that Dabuz has beaten Leo one single time and historically Leo dunks on him with Joker.

@@defaultskinhennesy not sure if your comment is necessarily true. Times mkleo has kept his joker polished he would reverse three o the then second place tweek almost effortlessly. sometimes 3-0 the challenger on the winners side on his way to a undefeated tourney win

TRUE

Yup, he wanted to try out his other characters in tournament and has still garnered around the same succes. As we saw with his ROB, any character he puts in the practice with, he might eventually use them in tournament and can actually win with them. Here's to hoping we can one day see the Marth again.

I'm not positive about that, Leo just didn't like to play Joker anymore as he is a mentally exhausting character to main like Sheik is and his competition just became better as well (ignoring Marss and kinda Tweek too). Dabuz and especially Proto literally forced Leo to re-main Joker back as he had no clear answer against Min Min

I disagree. Joker isn't that kind of character. Don't get me wrong, played to his best, Joker is virtually unbeatable. Problem is, playing Joker at his best is mentally exhausting and mechanically demanding. It is not easy to play Joker to his top potential game after game. It is SO much easier to do for Byleth. Even Pythra as they're much simpler characters. Joker is amazing and has tools to deal with almost everything. Problem is, he doesn't have a game style to deal with almost everything. There's a great video on why top tier Joker solo mains are basically unheard of so this isn't my god-level analytics or anything. And to paraphrase, there are gonna be games or playstyles where the Joker just doesn't have a good flowchart of x-y-z. The guy shows games where Leo is trying stuff and it just isn't working and he can't seem to figure out why or what to do. And you often have to work pretty hard to get your kills as Joker, and when he's in those positions you can see him struggle

It was because of COVID and the online tourney era. Joker is very different online. He loses the ability to apply insane pressure with his speed due to the delay

He really does, as someone said before, if his motivation was purely to win, he would always use Joker, but he wanted to try out other characters he has fun with and still manages to garner around the same success. Like realistically, he could probably win a tournament with half the cast if he puts practice in to them.

@@MarioStickMan12 He also said Joke requires more work/precision, im glad he brought him back out. The way he plays him is insane, no one else has a joker even close to his.

Despite disliking Minmin, Proto's adaptation and level of focus and maintaning composture, damn I love that man too, looks like Japanese Leo hahaha ngl

I may be talking out of my ass here, but I distinctly remember hearing him say he felt robotic with Joker. He knew what he had to do and as long as he did it, he'd win, and it wasn't fun for him anymore.

@@MarioStickMan12 This seems to be a running consensus with a lot of people but it's just not true. Mkleo is pretty much always playing to win, and just because every dumbass puts Joker at top 3 because everyone else does despite horrible winrates and virtually no representation doesn't mean that if Mkleo "purely" wanted to win he would solo Joker. He definitely plays other characters for fun for certain, but it's not like he ever thought Byleth was unviable--he always thought Byleth had the potential and he capitalized on it. He himself has said that aside from fun factor from other characters the primary reason he doesn't play Joker more is because he's extremely exhausting to play and one of the most mechanically difficult characters in the game. Playing long drawn out tournaments with lengthy loser's brackets as solo Joker would probably take the steam out of Leo, and all of this isn't even mentioning Joker's struggles with a lot of other meta matchups. He plays other characters for fun, but it's almost necessary to have a secondary or more if you play Joker for both matchup coverage and maintaining mental.

Dabuz has really been building a good case for being Top 5 at the moment with Leo, Light, Acola, and Gluto. Only person who I think beats him out is Tea imo, for outplacing and beating Dabuz at Crown 2 and DD

@@theimpersonator7086 it's kinda interesting how spargo takes a short break and he's out of everyone's radar so soon

@@Senayoshy Sparg0 himself has said on Twitter that he wouldnt rank himself in Top 5 due to his hiatus, and that he unfortunately won't be a back for a long time. Personally I would give Sparg0 an honoray 1.5 with all that in mind.

@@Senayoshy nah, you just don't count who isn't active. Not like we forgot about him lol. Tweek stopped going to the majority of majors as of now so people don't rank him even tho many people still have him top 5 or 10.

Now just imagine being that good and consist, most likely a top 10 player in the world, and getting spanked hard by the best player in the world. I mean there is about as big a gap between Leo and debuz as there is me and debuz. That was not close. Leo is too good.

It feels like you're going up against a Force of Nature.

Smash is dead lol

@@johnnycage6676 man shut yo bisass up

Sadly; in the Smash story of being the best, Leo is the main character while everyone else is just there for support. Other than Sparg0, Protobanham, Light, Marss and a few others; he doesn't really have a clear rival that he can't seem to beat or demon that he can't slay.

@@geckosethpe Leo shits on like basically everyone you listed

@@spreadwuvokay he wins, but he does not shit on them tho, like marss, spargo and proto have won grand finals against him

@@nesp8207 the last time marss won vs leo was genesis 7

@@nesp8207 Marss is 8 to 11 on leo

He poked the beast too much.

Mkleo has been using joker in practice sessions vs multiple top players

@@okayperson3041 Yeah. Not to say Mkleo isn't absurdly talented, but it's not like he just brought him out after not playing for months. Joker takes a super long time to play effectively and considering Mkleo is the GOAT not really a fair comparison between him and Naito/Omega.

It's very good but considering there are literally only 2 top level Joker players left it's not as impactful and Marss's Joker is also extremely good. I wouldn't say that his is necessarily better but not way below Mkleo's

This video is literally the only context I've ever seen to warp "disgusting" into a compliment

@@alessandrobozzi7085 It can more or less be used interchangeably with nasty. Like for example if someone says “that combo was nasty” it’s a compliment

@@defaultskinhennesy Marss joker is by far not as optimized as his zss for example at the gimrvitational he often uses fsmash reads instead of nair 1 confirms and his gunusage still needs some work but movement-wise he is definetely close to leos probably bc garbage girl has a similarly fast style like him

@@SonGohan-fx3vb Thanks for clearing it up!

forreal that was hype

This isn't some anime LOL! He genuinely did not like playing Joker for a long time. Leo's been streaming his Joker practice sessions a few weeks after slingshot became a thing. All of it is public for anyone who wants to take the time to watch.

Dabuz: alright i beat leos aegis once with minmin if i keep up the pace i can definetely do this btw why do i hear boss music?

There is also the fact that this was in his home country and he was the last Mexican player in the winning bracket (iirc), I wouldn't be surprised if he felt like putting on a special show solely for that alone.

Well Said

Literally how I feel. He redefined the Joker meta.

Characteristic of a true Alpha.

I feel like with Dabuz, it was more that Min Min lured out Joker. Leo staying as Joker for the rest of the set was just to ensure Dabuz didn't switch back to Min Min.

We are not even going to see Leo's Joker that much, despite the fact that many of us think that it is his best character, Leo does not seem to have the intention of returning to him as his main, he will be a secondary for some matches like Min Min which is definitely better choice what an Aegis or Byleth.

welp, we have Sparg0's Cloud...

yeah, "tokyo emergency"

You can input moves with luma while Rosa is in free fall or end lag sometimes, so he mashed a during the up-b to start the jab, and since the jab was fully started before Rosa was out of lag, he inputted shield for Rosa before she could start jabbing