This should have a bajillion likes. So many ideas as relevant several years later as they were then or ever before. Haidt is a voice the world desperately needs to hear.
Haidt couldn't have been proven more wrong during Covid. I won't hold my breath waiting for him to admit his science doesn't know what they're talking about.
this video has aged like fine wine, given the irony. but just look at your device you’re on, the world is several upgrades (and revisions) from Obama’s 2nd term)
That herd vs pack idea is so interesting, I’d never thought about that but it seems so obvious Animals which graze don’t need to cooperate to any higher goal because their food is readily there on the ground. Pack animals like wolves need to co operate to hunt.
The Woke mind-virus has already designated Haidt as unacceptably bigoted. The people that need to understand Haidt's work the most are the ones that already categorically disavow it.
"The Selfish Gene" is very often misunderstood as saying that "humans are selfish genetically". The title is actually anthropomorphizing the gene and saying "genes are selfish" -- individual genes are competing with one another and, via protein expression, construct elaborate biochemical networks and macro-molecular structures to protect themselves and ensure that they're able to self-replicate. This novel paradigm gives insight into the transition between a-biotic chemistry into self-replicating "living" chemical structures.
Nirvan Sengupta Yeah, that was a pretty mischaracterizing gloss. I read The Selfish Gene as arguing that altruism and cooperation emerge from selfish strategies.
The organism can act altruistically. Dawkins argues that this is fundamentally a result of genes acting in a self-interested way to propagate themselves.
Iirc, even Dawkins regrets the title. He apparently had a different one in mind, that was remotely as interesting, and the editor convinced him to go with The Selfish Gene. I admit that I too figured it was just another sociobiologist making reaching claims, but it wasn't. That said, the anthropomorphism seemed silly and and unnecessary.
Right, too many people read the book by its title only. Dawkins said he’d wished he’d gone with his alternate title “The Immoral Gene” instead for that reason, though I don’t think the title is as much to blame as people judging it superficially as people too often do. Really the book argues strongly for the value of reciprocal altruism.
I think his point is that the PC police would have you disregard any stereotype as not connected in reality. When in fact he can tell you what you read where you like to eat....perhaps he can profile you?
Sometimes a person needs a moral slap. Real, factually statements. Morality is dealing with truth, issues and finding out you are not the center of life.
At about 33 min, I have to comment: gossip is nasty and totally unnecessary, and violates many ethical principles, especially the golden rule. So I would never recommend encouraging gossip as a healthy way to punish freeriders. It is much healthier to have frank open consultation where people have a fair chance to defend themselves. For instance, often introverts are seen as not team players, but when investigated can be seen to be more productive and valuable to a team than loud mouth extroverts (who no doubt also have value).
There is a fair point to be made that gossip is not always the best means to an end, but there are times when it is effective. Where I work, we have a coworker who is most definitely not an introvert, in fact it is her extrovertedness that is the problem (she socializes more than she works), we have tried frank and open discussions, we've gone up and down the chain of command, and nothing is getting her to stop socializing and start working... except using that socializing against her in the form of gossip. Gossip shouldn't be the first or preferred method of dealing with a freerider, but it should still be kept on the table.
A wise thing I heard was that if the person you're talking to can use the information you're giving them to help, it isn't gossip. It's tricky because it requires people to share the goal of making the team work. If your goal is to get allies on your side it gets dicey. If we ever say things that might not be true, or even accidentally cherry picking since we don'tknow the whole story, that's for sure bad gossip. We need to remember the game we played as kids where we whisper something in a circle, and by the time it gets back to the first person it's a whole different word. Operating behind someone's back is for when multiple people have tried confronting them directly first.
I have the vague impression that all Hiveshivness has a murderous element. In peace, bees are extremely productive. But during the crisis, the swarm will not hesitate to sacrifice hundreds of individual bees to kill their opponent.
If the alternative state is to transcend egotism where does the groupishness come in? After all what you feel is being part of the whole and not part of a group.
Our mind and body are inseparable, just as our life and environment are also inseparable and inextricably linked. So, Sufi spinning and the Maori Haka make perfect sense. The latter formally being a war cry, now used in a cultural context and in light of that what matters is the core intent of the group, especially as regards creating value. [Humanism goes out the window as soon as others are abstracted; whether it is abstracting nationalities, religions, specific professions and so on]
Haidt is wrong about the need for group selection. Individual selection is more than enough, when reputations are considered: people need to convince others they are going to recipracate and play by the rules, in order to convince them to cooperate and help; and the most convincing act is an honest one. Same reason people actually feel love, instead of just simulating it.There are even mathematical models showing how cooperation leads to tribalism through individual selection.
I hope Dr Haidt monitors comments here. I have NEVER been smitten so hard as I was when he questioned (end of chapter 3, The Righteous Mind) which was more important for survival.
19:16 LMAO 24:50 - Individual Flow experienced in a Group is called Group Flow. Sufi Spinning is Full Embodiment, one of the three required precursors to Flow. See Kotler's Talk on Flow.
Humanity has the exceptional ability to create a virtual reality, to synthesize a false reality in which a particular concept is believed, such as the imagined personality of a leader who is a superbeing combining the best attributes of leadership, or exemplifies the optimal strategies and methodologies for the best logical outcome. (You choose). Ie we live in a virtual reality with exaggerated threats and promised benefits for sacrificing believability and delayed gratification. It's not surprising that older people who have tolerated extremes of failed fantastic promises, or those left out of the rewards, deserved or not, get cynical and resentful. "Traitor" needs to be better defined. "Obviously" promoting an impossible dream for no cost to the taxpayer is treacherous and probably treasonous, but the trait of self-interest is ubiquitous. Methodology is the measure of probable success and tolerance for deliberate lies is extremely short-term at best?
Doesn't making your "group" look better, in turn, make yourself look better? If so, doesn't "group-ish-ness", at its very core, promote "sef-ish-ness?" A cluster of individuals trying to make each other look better so as to, in reality, make yourself look better.
I WISH IT WAS 2012 ALAS IT IS NOT. Sorry my caps button was stuck. I took the gummy bear that had been crushed underneath it out. Its currently according to my google calendar 2016 and times are very crazy indeed. I'm going to rejam this old gummy bear back underneath my caps button starting right NOW!
If there was a true awareness in western north american culture of the climate emergency we live in - and not a mass apathy cult of ignoring, avoidance of personal responsibility and a political/ personal creation of a culture where we as indiviuals and in groups prop up destructive narcissists without logical self awareness, etc etc... - we would be binding together with a serious awareness of the essential importance of working like hell as fast as possible to create change and solutions together as a world community
5:40. The comment on the Selfish Gene hasn't quite interpreted Dawkins's hypothesis properly. We are born selfish. We learn not to be. It is our genes that teach us not to be selfish, and it is our genes that are selfish.
That's not at all what I got from the selfish gene. The book says exactly what it title says. namely that the gene is selfish. We aren't genes last time I checked. We're the result of the building instructions encoded in millions of genes, all in competition not with other individuals, but with other genes. That's a much saner approach and has less assumptions.
I like Richard Wrangham's notin of self-domestication. Political communities have always weeded out the anti-social types. Yes, there has been a lengthy history of intergroup competition and conflictd between political communities (warfare). Darwin wrote about it. No group selection required. There are benefits for successful warriors.
Iron and clay--two types of people do not mix just as iron and clay do not mix. SHLM & HaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). If you believe the Messiah died on the cross, & Resurrected three days later (presenting Himself as First Fruits to the Father), please ask Him to be your Savior. He is the ONLY way to Everlasting Life.
john comes from a very very pc thinking ======there is good and bad and there is rational thought =====if one party thinks they are right and feel it and believe they live it and breath it so what ==== when something is wrong it means its not right ====these are terms we use to denote one from the other ==== that is some what i think ===all behavior is motivated that is a fact ====what are their motives is not an outrages question ====the dems wont't tell the real truth ====that is their choice and there in is there motive =====i do no about you ------BUT DO NOT PISS IN MY FACE AND CALL IT RAIN===== AND THEN SAY I BELIEVE IN ==========RAIN========
How can an Atheist or any man, who believe in the lie they call Evolution ever lead others to become Righteous? He can't. The person who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel cannot know anything about what it is to being good.
There is one way to the highest Moral Standard....that being Jesus Christ. All other paths are evil. No one has a mind that will evolve to Righteousness, apart from Jesus Christ.
He always has to slide in some obnoxious political comment without the slightest consideration for the people on the other side . It's as if he is convinced that all "good people" are on the left and only bad and stupid people are on the right. And he still does this today....
Two things: If he's that smart then he would have come to the conclusion that there is a God, the other is that if he was that smart he would not be a Democrat.
