THE RTV issue ..FA24 GR86/Subaru BRZ

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@ravenstylea2 10 месяцев назад

Subaru and Toyota should be doing this job for free as a recall for all owners because this is sort of a manufacturing error.

@tone3560 6 месяцев назад

That would be a costly undertaking on a issue that cannot be defined as a detriment to the engine therefore a recall would be ridiculous from a companies standpoint. Yes I have a 23 brz.

@miguelm3676 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the update.

@86Speed 10 месяцев назад

You are welcome

@jackroman8821 9 месяцев назад

Great video and explanation!

@Dev223_ 4 дня назад

Had mine fixed on warranty, no issue. Bought a scope, took some pics. They did the timing cover too.

@802Garage 10 месяцев назад

They made the flange too thin and gave it a weird little recessed lip. Not sure why they designed it that way. Luckily, this engine didn't have a concerning amount of RTV in the pickup.

@86Speed 10 месяцев назад

This was build on a Wednesday -- HAHA

@ninjarider443 4 месяца назад

I was going to buy a 2024 GR86, but scared away due to this RTV issue. I don't plan on tracking it, but it is a car I would of used as a daily and hope to keep it for a decade. With the RTV issue I worry about the reliability and longevity especially with how subaru is getting a bad rap with class action law suites against them for electronics and other things. I did today ask the sales manager the local "stealership" who has 2 GR86's coming in (so basically need to put a deposit down to lock them in) if the RTV issue was fixed on the 2024 models. His response was "we have not heard anything from Toyota regarding this issue for 2023 or 2024. Unless its big enough where Toyota will have a recall, I am not really sure what this issue is and how many cars are impacted." The GR86 checks all the boxes for me, but I can't move forward taking my hard earned cash and putting it into this since I feel Subaru has been making engines for a long time and this sounds like a simple fix to me - and the fact they are keeping everyone in the dark tells me they are not doing anything to fix the problem. The cars are 34k msrp where I live, vs 29k msrp. Just way to much to buy for something that may turn into a headache down the road. Really appreciate posting this video and educating folks on this. WRX and GR86 are great cars, but when I think of Subaru I don't think "reliability". I owned a 1998 Subara Imprezza 2.5RS. I bought it new and 4k miles after ownership, the engine had to be rebuilt due to some defect. At 26k miles, the drive-shaft fell off when driving down the highway. I avoided Subaru's ever since that experience but was willing to give them a 2nd chance with the GR86, but the red flags still in 2024 with this RTV issue tells me Subaru hasn't changed much since 1998. I have no idea why Reliability is not applied to making a vehicle to build loyal folks especially with how crazy expensive cars are these days - we need it to last for many many years.

@jrod1577 3 дня назад

Had a forester and man that thing consumed a quart of oil with each gas fill. Mechanic just strait up told me it would need a full rebuild to stop oil consumption or get a different car. It was much cheaper to get a different car. Shame because porsche doesnt have these kinds of issues(except in one engine). So you would think that Subaru would learn from the only other major boxer enginer manufacturer and get their engines to run problem free. Heck, porsche even makes their engine's easy to repair by designing the car's frane with rhe engine in mind and vise-versa. A Subaru sports car, really, is a problematic Porsche without any if the porsche performance. A.K.A. a subaru 😂

@amirrizalismailmusa2823 10 месяцев назад

you should install tomei headers while you're at it. full tomei exhaust system.

@86Speed 3 месяца назад

We had other plans - She is now Supercharged with all the Stock Exhaust parts up front and we needed that for testing - she still is making 360 HP with all the OEM cats

@pkcensors 25 дней назад

People need to report this to NHTSA if this happens to them.

@boost331 10 месяцев назад

I have been tracking this "issue" from day. I have compiled all the data from every internet source you can imagine that relates to the BRZ\86. After extensive research my results show a shocking number of vehicles impacted by RTV. How shocking is that number? VERY. What is the EXACT number of vehicles that have had damage caused by RTV....? ZERO. EXACTLY ZERO.

@86Speed 10 месяцев назад

Great info - I could believe it.

@boost331 10 месяцев назад

@@Ironheade21 The same oil starvation issues that have plagued every subaru boxer engine in history. Poor oil drainage from the heads back to the pan along with no baffles and poor pickup placement. You see it more in BRZ\86 and WRX\STI because those are the only ones driven hard enough to make it more pronounced. Along with the fact that many of the owners with cars that blew up admitted to having a money shift. Sometimes that blows the motor instantly and sometimes it jars the rotating assembly just enough to chew up some bearings. At that point the engine just eats away at itself until it lets go. Every failure I have seen has been on a manual trans car as well. That could just be coincidence though.

@nickalbenga9750 9 месяцев назад

I think this is the biggest misunderstanding about the whole RTV controversy. The oil pickup tube can grab oil from all sides of the surface area. You would need a substantial amount of RTV in that tube to cause a major blockage. All the research is pointing to *how* the oil is picked up, and not the mechanism that it flows through.

@boost331 9 месяцев назад

@@nickalbenga9750 Absolutely true. There have been blown engines that coincidentally had RTV in the pickup tube, because they ALL do. But that is not the CAUSE of the failure ever. If I had a heart attack and died and the autopsy showed I had cancer, did I die from cancer..? Nope

@artblackwood7936 9 месяцев назад

So the overall cause is oil starvation?

@armandorodriguez9000 8 месяцев назад

Y la garantía de fabrica,se pierde??

@fa-ajn9881 10 месяцев назад

Why around the bolt towards the outside and not the inside so oil doesn't get into the threads?

@Turtleswan 4 месяца назад

Because these guys are youtubers not engineers XD

@entropy11 4 месяца назад

Unrelated, did you paint, wrap, or dip that purple rear diffusor? Mine's silver and I really need it gloss black to match the rest of the aero.

@86Speed 3 месяца назад

Wrapped

@DylanTK 10 месяцев назад

FIPG Black (ThreeBond 1207B) > ThreeBond 1217G/H

@alexiscariaselmusico 6 месяцев назад

I am surprised that Toyota/Subaru haven’t gotten collectively sued for this. If I was a lawyer, I would have taken this case 😅. Consumer rights must cover this, I am sure. Any lawyers out there to educate us on this matter?

@lilreyreyatomic 5 месяцев назад

They haven’t been because it’s a non issue, the pick up was designed in a manner that I can still handle getting some RTV in the tube.

@andyjonas3698 10 месяцев назад

What kind wirebrush should I use when cleaning off the rtv from the engine?

@802Garage 10 месяцев назад

Since the block is aluminum, you should be using a material softer than that. Plastic razor blades are a good place to start. You can use brass brushes, though they can still technically gouge aluminum. Check out plastic bristle discs for the fastest and safest ways. A lot of pros will use a real razor blade, you just have to be super careful not to gouge the metal.

@86Speed 9 месяцев назад

@@802Garage Great answer

@aesir0784 3 месяца назад

What I don't get is, why aren't they just assembling with a REAL seal? why use RTV???

@hellowhat7803 3 месяца назад

yeah wire brush drill great idea to remove it...........

@Kreisy1510 2 месяца назад

What would be a better way?

@steveferguson100 29 дней назад

Put a real gasket on the engine/pan and do it right.

@noeromero6124 10 месяцев назад

How often does this needs to be done? What yr is the car?

@86Speed 10 месяцев назад

only once

@edwardmclean5373 9 месяцев назад

@@86SpeedThat response doesn't make any sense. What, you checked once at 2,000 miles & it wasn't so bad, so... never gonna check it again? 🤣 It's OK to say you don't know how often it should be done exactly, because honestly nobody really knows that. There are just too many factors to consider. But until there is a method to prevent the RT from collecting in the pickup, I think it's fair to say "Just Once" is not the total number of times you should check it, lol. Also you didn't answer what year the car was - though maybe the user edited to ask that after you already answered. Not sure if you said specifically in the video, but from the context of other comments you made it sounded like it's a 2023, or maybe a 2022.

@86Speed 9 месяцев назад

@@edwardmclean5373 Hello, The answer is actually only once, once you check it and fix it at the same time. Since the pan was removed we cleaned the RTV that was excessively installed (fixing the cause of the problem) Once we seal the pan back up with the proper method and the correct amount the RTV issue is solved and there should be no reason to ever pull the pan again. This is a January 2022 car , so a very early production. Hope that explains the solution that fixed the RTV from even existing in the oil pan ever again.

@umarahmad5119 3 месяца назад

@86Speed team is really professional. Salute

@dw8039 Месяц назад

just take the springs off, that’s what i did when i had tomei

@310chris18 9 месяцев назад

2023 brz / gr86 toyota and subaru fixed the rtv issue.

@juntingli1205 9 месяцев назад

Actually?

@Zaratium 9 месяцев назад

really? I saw some 2023 gr86 on forums sharing similar rtv issues

@310chris18 9 месяцев назад

@@Zaratium oh well i cant trust forums i have a 2023 gr86 i waited for toyota and subaru to fix the rtv issue and they did. They updated the oil pick up tube and i track my gr86 and i have no issues.

@rx0102 9 месяцев назад

proof?

@310chris18 9 месяцев назад

@@rx0102 proof

@VinRZ 10 месяцев назад

Every second gen has it lol

@86Speed 10 месяцев назад

Yea - Everyone we have seen has had it, its a common issue as we mentioned. But I am sure there are some owners out there that are just finding out. Hope this video helps someone save a FA24

@Dtt4 4 месяца назад

Nice job Toyota and Subaru! I will never consider buying this car.

@aesir0784 3 месяца назад

Sounds like a personal problem. - EXCELLENT cars. - But... you? do you.

@richurro20 Месяц назад

@@aesir0784 doesnt seem like an excellent car to me.

@donewhiskey 10 месяцев назад

This is a non-issue and you're boosting it for clicks. You pulled one skinny noodle of rtv from your pickup and want us to freak out about our own engines and buy product. 😂 Naw, I'm good. 2022 and nothing.