Lol didnt know the spoilers on the harbinger because I didnt get the campaign released to me. Lets pretend for the next 5 days XD anyways thanks for watching guys! Yall have a good weekend!
You'll definitely need to change that title now. You don't even need to know the spoilers to know the Harbinger wasn't a San'Shyuum seeing as how we've had plenty in the Halo franchise about them. I'm gonna be honest, you should do a simple fact check on something like Halopedia to confirm things fully before firing off on the video
5:51 In case someone hasn't already brought this up, the main reason why the San Shyuum civilization recieved a drastically-less harsh form of retribution from the Forerunners is that in the very end of the war, the Ur-Didact (yes, the same one you fight in Halo 4) made a back-alley deal with the central government of the San Shyuum, that in exchange for the secret codes and passages through the defenses of Charum Hakkor (Ancient Humanity's capitol world), the Forerunners would show their civilization a great degree of leniency, placing them under demilitarized quarantine and restricting them to a few worlds instead of completely erasing their civilization from history and regressing them back to barely sapient. The reason why it was such a big deal for the Forerunners to break the defenses of Charum Hakkor was that the planet was created by the Precursors, the godlike race of eldritch reality-benders who created the Forerunners and Humanity and whose trancendant technology could not be damaged by anything in the material universe. This led the dwindling human forces on the planet, bereft of any support or supplies from outside, to continuously fend off constant attacks from the full might of the best that the united Forerunner empire could throw at them by hiding behind the invincible eldritch geography for over 53 fucking years. After the San Shyuum's central government gave the Didact the way in, though, the remaining human resistance swiftly fell. Though that's not to say that the entire species is to blame for their treachery: it is mentioned in the Forerunner Trilogy novels that throughout the siege of Charum Hakkor, there were entire armadas of San Shyuum ships waiting outside the borders of the system full of reinforcements and much-needed supplies, but they simply had no hope of getting past the billion-something swarm of Forerunner ships blockading the place. There also should definitely have been San Shyuum forces stationed alongside their human allies in the system itself and across their shared territories who would have protested to the decision of their government due to loyalty, a sense of abandonment, or simply comms issues.
Let's us know how far they have fallen, and Bungie can say, "wow these guys were SO sexy, but now they are old and wierd and we will never show sexy aliens in Halo ever."
Interestingly the Three prophets found out about humanity being the true inheritors of the mantle which is the reason the war happened at all. So your assumption was very much so correct!
@@RoanokeGaming It was all three of them. Afterwards they decided to work together and rise through the ranks in order to keep the entire covenant together.
@@RoanokeGaming Regret was not present at the time they learned of it iirc. But this was the only reason Mercy became a heirarch lol, because he was tending to the AI at the time (a fragment of Mendicant Bias), who IDed humans as the reclaimers. Which was bad for their religion.
In short, the Reformists are the Hapsburgs of the Halo universe. Wouldn't mind seeing more of them in the future, specially a Prelate in game, since it's a 50/50 chance their planet isn't actually gone since they're prolific liars.
"The Precursors would ground themselves down to a fine powder. That powder eventually became the flood". Now that's the story I want to hear. I feel like there's possibly a few million years, and a whole heap of mutation before fine powder becomes tentacle balloons set on invading nervous systems. Just a thought.
From what I remember from the novel, it was pure chance that precursors became the flood. The powder became corrupted over time and if I recall became somewhat of a cosmetic that caused slight mutations, namely pets and other animals that became popular due to thee mutations.
Always wanted to see the ingame telling of the ancient humanity forerunner war which I hope infinites story interweaves more lore into the subject now that were experiencing new ancient races?/ and zeta halo
It was centuries of genetic manipulation into the Ancient Human equivalent of dogs “Pheru” as they were known. The Pheru were herbivores but they were aggressive and needed to be ‘tamed’. The AH put the powder into them to make them more docile but it probably brain raped them into not doing much of anything, and over the centuries the powder mutated with organic life into less desirable traits such as growths and the Pheru turning cannibalistic. They eventually ate people; the people ate people and ‘Flood cults’ started being a thing until it got so out of hand that led into AH being actually targeted by the real Flood and then attacking infected Forerunner worlds that led into the Human-Forerunner War.
There is a theory out there the precursors and the flood are the exact same thing 100%, there a few videos on YT that go into the details. but the basics of the theory is that when the cryogenically frozen precursor was interogated by the forerunner AI medicate bias, the being told the AI the truth about the flood, and this theory suggests that the truth is that the flood was planned, the precursors value both happiness and suffering, and that both are good things that should happen, that need to happen.
The Halo Book Divine Wind, features a San-Shyuum warrior who definitely shows what their species are capable of. The warrior being considered a threat to a notorious Sangheli Blade master, and silent shadow. Translation from Nerd to English: San shyuum warrior is comparable to a Spartan-IV.
That's disrespectful maybe a spartan 3 cat 2 is a better comparison. I would bet a silent shadow first blade and prelate could kill most spartan 4s. Regardless of how much people hate locke he's very skilled and I think he could go toe to toe
@@rushpatriot2866 I agree a silent shadow could, but a prelate? Hmm, I dunno man, Spartan lll's we're pretty up there. I suppose I can agree a Prelate could beat most Spartan lV's. But to say they are on par with lll's? I'd say Silent Shadows could beat a lV, and some of the lll's, but I don't see a Prelate beating any Spartan lll.
@@Riflery Prelates we're first mentioned in halo 2s multiplayer map pack in 2005 so even though it doesn't specify in the light novel shadow of intent or in the novel divine wins which Spartans prelates can go toe to toe with I think there's more evidence leading to the creators talking about vs against a s2 or s3
@@Riflery I also read a little more into it. Most prelates died at installation 05 which is halo 2 around this time the book ghost of onyx was happening. So most of alpha and beta company Spartans were killed or turned into cat 2s like noble team. So when they say prelates are like Spartans or can take on Spartans the lore is talking about cat 2s spartan 3s or spartan 2s. Prelates are indeed stronger than you think.
@@rushpatriot2866 I never read shadow of intent (forgive me) but I recently read Divine Wind. In Divine Wind the Silent Shadow blade master was explained to be considered a big threat to the Spartan lll's. At the same time the blade master was considered a threat to the Prelate. With it being alluded that the blade Master could have taken on one of the Spartans, and that the blade Master could have taken on the Prelate, I think it is safe to deduce that at the very least, the Blade Master was the best single warrior among them. And during the final confrontation one of the Spartans did take on the Prelate for a few moments (I THINK) and if I remember correctly the Spartan beat him. So I would put it like this. Chips Dunno>Spartan ll> SS Blade Master>Spartan lll> Prelate> Spartan lV> ODST> Marine> Civilian> Grandma> Me. Thank you for joining me for my TED Talk.
Funny enough, the Harbinger is not a San'Shyuum. Her face is entirely different as well. If you look closely, you can see two black eyes with a pale grey face akin to that of some sort of aquatic arthropod. Also, aren’t the Skimmers also the same species as her? So yeah… and it was straight up confirmed that she wasn’t a Prelate. Why would San'Shyuum be imprisoned beneath Zeta Halo? Inside Forerunner machines since before the firing of the Arrays.
@@ItsButterBean1020 they got genocided by the Master Builder with the excuse of siding with humanity, then betraying them. Guy test fired Halo on their home system when every San Shyuum was quarantined there
Video recommendation: the actual feasibility and implications of humans interbreeding with various sapient alien races. Another recommendation: how various sapient races of aliens are able to wield any power ring of the emotional spectrum from the Lantern Corps (DC).
@@robertnelson9599 the first TALKS about the possibility of interbreeding, there's not going to be any "footage" to show; discussing if and how it might happen, and what would happen if it does. But I agree that the second one will be a lot of fun to talk about. Like is it due to convergent evolution that allows all these races to feel the same emotions as us, or is it by virtue of being sapient?
Personally I was hoping to see a Prelate in combat, Prelates were genetically modified San'Shyuum warriors made to combat Spartans, they were built for speed and used anti-grav tech mixed with energy shields designed for cutting to fight. Prelates were all celibates- San'Shyuum deemed too shallow genetically to reproduce therefore expendible as experiments and frontline special forces.
I'd love to see a Prelate as a major boss, akin to Tartarus: Someone who is, without any doubt, superior to any Spartan, even 117. It makes sense considering the Prelates are created with vastly superior technology to that used to create Spartans, especially since it seems unrestrained by the normal Covenant taboos about certain uses of Forerunner tech - a Prelate should be a far scarier opponent than any Brute, Elite or Spartan could be.
Would be awesome if you could take a look at genetic manipulation of Forerunners; as "aging" was literally done by manipulating and splicing their genome. At least in the books.
@@terrelldurocher3330 The beta fans. Its like people who saw only hobbit calling themselves Tolkien fans. Sure they are fans, no gatekeeping there; but their opinions outside of games dont mean sht.
Harbinger was deconfirmed for San'Shyuum basically from the start. Also, just to make a note, there are *some* ally San'Shyuum known to the Elites, so they aren't entirely doomed.
So they were very similar to humans once upon a time. It seems they went through the same stent as the belters did on the expanse. Plus the 1,000s of years with limited genetic material is very impressive they can potentially live up to being a thousand years old. That might also have been less severity punishment from the forerunners as well. The gene therapy might also prolonged the inevitable to extend the genetic strand to it’s limit. While watching your channel, I did see a commercial of us engineering cells to reverse cancer cells and potentially use the immune system to assist in combating cancer cells and hopefully reversing it. I know certain cells are tasked for different jobs but though the research is specifically geared to curing Colin cancer, it might have the potential for more engineered cells to specialize in repairing effected areas experiencing cancer. It might be a real game changer if it works and potentially extends us to possibly being 120 as an extended lifespan. Might not get us to living 100,000 years like they do in halo, but it’s neat to see the potential.
Watched a heavily edited play through of the first few missions of infinite, and a few pieces of evidence may confirm the theory of this new character being an ancient form. 1: UNSC audio log depicted a soldier being forced to activate some device (can't remember the name) 2: Chief comes across one of these devices that has been opened (seem to be the devices used by the forruners to catalog living beings) which is called the same name as what was opened in the audio log. Personal theory: the Banished woke this ancient creature (possibly San Shium) to have as an ally against humanity, she turned on them (there was a scene where a Banished leader explained that they will kneel to nobody, not even her), therefore, this unknown person/species will be a third party in this story similar to the flood, an adversary to both UNSC and Banished.
It was really close but the kneeling not even to her part was about Cortana if you remember she sent a galaxy wide takeover force of guardians so every race was basically put in lockdown by her rules and armies. The banished defied her rules and so they were punished
Commenting on a 2-year old video is SURE to get a response, I am slowly working my way back through all your videos after finding your Tales channel, but I would love more Halo or even Destiny videos!
@@rekcr I know that. What Am I saying is this:- Who is harbinger and what it's species it derived from??? Again most say it not San'Shyuum but then again, we don't have much info on this
I work 14 hours on Fridays, when I clock off and see a new video from you Roanoke, damned if my day isn't 100% better 🤘 channel fan for life, never stop!
I don't think their current morphology is due to being in low gravity. They escaped on the forerunner keyship which has artificial gravity. I think we just exclusively see old versions who are accordingly elderly looking.
@@rushpatriot2866 I think people hear "prelates are augmented" and credit every aspect of their morphology to augmentations. It's just younger San shyuum who can support their own body weight getting augmentations to make them even stronger. They aren't turning the elderly looking San shyuum we see in the hierarchy into Spartans.
@@a_ghost5950 Right lol it's because it was so rare for us to see young San shyuum. Everyone that played the main games just assumed they all looked like the prophets. Prelates and young San shyuum are really cool I wish we could fight one or get more lore on their culture stories etc.
@@rushpatriot2866 during the fall of high Charity, as chief or even more so as the arbiter, it would have made sense as the station was in chaos for us to see some younger San shyuum running around. Bungie was so much better at giving us these details. Space for speculation is important but there comes a point where it's so vague it's just annoying.
If I'm not mistaken, the San'Shyuum we see in Halo Infinite may actually be one of the fabled Prelates, essentially super-warriors of the San'Shyuum, similarly to what the Spartans are to Humanity.
Man, I leave these Halo videos, I’m a huuuuge fan of Halo, I love the lore behind it. Please do more of these. And I know this is out of your realm, but I think it would be freakin epic if there was a mechanic guy, who goes over the tech of all these things just like how you go through all the biology of species
Hell, even before Halo 4, I figured the reason the Prophets wanted Humanity gone, and didn't want us finding forerunner tech, was because we could integrate it and use it much more effectively than they could, not a bad guess 12 year old me
@@RoanokeGaming They didn't say anything other than it wasn't a prelate and they said this way before the campaign released to the media and even after leaks I don't think there was any new information. I think it's an older species that existed around when the forerunners were still around but that's just theorizing based on what she said in the trailer.
@@Jo_ovie All we know so far is that her people obviously had a bad relationship with the Forerunners - Who had imprisoned them beneath Zeta Halo way before the firing of the Array. Also, her and the skimmers share many attributes. So they’re most likely the same species.
Funny enough, the design of the Harbinger has been planned out since before 2018. The idea of the Blood Maykr wasn’t conceived until late 2020/ 2021. And I’m not saying this towards you, cuz I’m a Doom fan as well, but Doom fans have no right to say that Halo Infinite stole from Doom. A fat majority of what’s within Doom Eternal was blatantly taken from other games, with one of their biggest “influences” being Warhammer.
I'm so lost already because I forgot most of the Halo lore. Gotta watch some videos before this one to catch up, but after I finish beating the games on legendary to avoid spoilers.
Here’s a good idea for a video. You could do a video on the hunters (lekkgolo? I think I spelt that wrong) and how they seemingly are the only race to have an “immunity” to the flood.
I come from the future, and the Harbinger is actually a member of the Xalanyn species (the same as skimmers and Eternals, probably). And it seems they are Halo's equivalent to Doctor Who's Time Lords.
The only San'Shyuum that really needed the humans to die were the 3 hierarchies. Truth, mercy, and regret were in the keyship when the ai aboard tried to launch the ship while talking about humans being the reclamimers, as at the time (especially in halo ce) the humane were considered to be the forerunners. 343 took a different route in halo 4, explaining this was not the case. If the covenant would have figured out we were their God's/their successors it would have destroyed the covenant. The hierarchs wanted power, and would not risk this secret getting out, and so started their genocidal campaign. All this happened during the first contact on harvest, and when the 3 prophets had that contact with the keyship, they actually weren't even the hierarchs at the time.
Actually quite a large number of Sanchyuum knew the truth at the end of the war. Thdy escaped on a flotila to be safe from the firing of the ring. Killing everyone else and inheriting the whole galaxy.
“… The precursors would grind themselves down in order to survive…” That is not a thing I expected to hear. And I know is not a direct quote. I’m not that fast on my phone.
