"It's like reading an epic fantasy series and becoming intimately familiar with the socio-economic impact of the tax haven imposed upon the peasantry by the fifth archduke of Applebees and the book ends and you're like, 'Now what do I do with the knowledge?'"
"Sea Block is pretty much in it's final state" The mod pack is still under active development! More tweaking and streamlining though, rather than major additions.
@@Kiwi_Hawk Once module rework happens, I may perhaps abandon my Py run to run through this pack (I think those are the biggest annoyance for me personally). I started once before, but as with all long gameplays, RL happened (had to take a break from gaming and forgot to continue after break). Love your work
Debatable. High quality entertainment, indeed, but I think there are greater fun to be had, by playing them. I've always favored playing computer games over watching tv. That said, I agree to this for the biter modpacks that Dosh played, where death and pain and suffering is part of the entertainment. I don't manage to achieve success in those modpacks.
@@yt_user892 And there is me, who prefer to make massive spaghetti in centre of base just to not use trains as in base transport as this is getting boring with just copy paste and put in on train to next stop.
@@yt_user892 Yes, I agree to this; it's not a game that hands out dopamine without an effort. I just compared watching the video of Dash with the feeling I had when I mid-angelbob - "It is ME doing this, I did this!"
One could easily engineer it to be the other CBT experience as well. And No I'm not talking about Cognitive Behavior Therapy. Someone should get that guy that gave you recoil when firing your ingame weapon in COD a call to create the worst experience a human can suffer while playing this version of Seablock. Perhaps Michael Reeves could also increase the Self Afflicted Dangerous Immersive Spanking Treatment, or SADISM for short.
Every time I play Factorio or watch one of these videos, I feel lost and hopelessly confused wondering why nothing makes sense. And then, as if by magic, the belts fill up with pretty colors, the loading arms make neat movements that are fun to watch, and all is right with the world.
All I can remember from this mod is that sludge exists and beans make the world spin. Also, I think Zisteau did a Seablock run with belts, quite the journey lol
@@LostLargeCatsif you liked Dosh's SE run, you definitely should check out Zisteau's one. It's longer and gets into more details, he's more passionate about it, even in the parts he hated.
It really is a nice looking base. The total lack of both incentives(resource patches) and barriers(cliffs, nests... dry land) to expanding in any given direction makes it go only off its own footprint, gives it the maximum possible "factoryness"
Am I the only one that finds this channel the most rewatchable? I have prob seen every episode 2 or 3 times by the time a series is over. I have found that I like factorio the most with other people. Talk about scary time warp when you are with multiple people.
Wow I’m actually not the only one huh lol. I almost never rewatch videos on RU-vid with a couple exceptions but I swear I’ve watched every single one of Dosh’s videos at least 3 times, in some cases 4 or 5 times, I think I just really like his voice as background noise lol
Most of the time I watch his videos the first time, I'm intrigued. After that I watch them and typically fall asleep to them. Not bashing him, his voice is soothing in a way.
I'm glad you enjoy doing this stuff, I cannot emphasize enough how much your content is appreciated and seemingly unique on this platform. I can't play things like this, I can't even watch them on two times speed, because that would still be like 150 hours. But a couple hours of edited summary, that puts it into range of even me to appreciate. Compared to your other series, I definitely had trouble with a start on this, because it's so different from the usual factory loop and everything is so grinding and difficult that I actually was not able to understand, even if I could follow along with Space Exploration and all the rest. It sure is impressive though.
There are factorio streamers dedicating thousands of hours to playing Pyanodon's mod suite, so not exactly unique but he's pretty high up there in the hall of legends beating these crazy modpacks :D
"I shudder to think what a main bus base would look like" I'm currently watching someone by the name of Marsh doing a full Angel Bob's run with a bunch of other mods installed as well and they go for main bus designs There's like 10 different buses around the base accomplishing different things
I grew up on the crazy skyblock mods for Minecraft, so watching you play through this was quite nostalgic for me. And although this was from a different series, something you mentioned really resonated with me: "once you get over the fear of *just building more*, the game really opens up for you. I never actually did that for most of my saves, and as a result got as far as I could with the equivalent of stuffing a single furnace with tier three production modules while hand crafting everything before finally losing patience and moving on to something else.
I would unironically watch you figure out anything in Factorio for 6 hours straight lol So you've mentioned Nullius in several videos here and there - does that mean that a play-through of that overhaul would be off the table since you seem to have already experienced it? I'm excited for whatever is next regardless.
Since you might read this comment I just want to say I love your factorio videos, and while I had intended to play factorio eventually, it went from a thing I'll do next summer to almost done with my first run in under 2 weeks
I think the bio processing needed for modules in particular is my least favorite part as a viewer too because it seems so arbitrary, whereas the metal and petrochem processes at least have basis on real-world processes. That’s probably why some of the output-as-input and the byproducts here weren’t as annoying as in SE, because for the latter they didn’t have much of a proper justification
when i played throug angelbobs this also was the worst part of it. so much farting and stupid queens. and those damn fish are so freking slow you are forced to use speedbeacons if you dont wanna literally have to use over 1000 fish tanks.
@@1nf3ct3dTT Ah yes to make the module faster you need to give it module to make it faster which require you to make the module faster else you won't give it the module faster enough. What the heck did I just said... what a trainwreck.
Unrelated to the main content of the video, I am happy to hear you mention Nullius's existence. It's one of my favorite mods just due to how different the challenges are from the base game from the very start. I got a reasonable start on it, but got pulled away by my friends' wanting to start up SE for the umpteenth time. Once you feel prepared to tackle another overhaul mod, I'd really love to see how you handle Nullius yourself.
Watching your series has not only convinced me to start playing this mod, it has also put me in the right mindset. I'm not even attempting to "beat" this mod. But I'm enjoying every new puzzle it throws at me. Thanks Dosh!
That issue about being limited by your mobility is why I've just come around to always playing with that Quality Of Life Research mod that lets you customize your reach and movement speed. Being able to just.... reach everything within the starting area, from the very start, makes Factorio a billion times less annoying to play in its early phase.
I tried to play seablock few years back and the thing that made me quit were the moduels because I was going almost completely blind and I tried to do then way way earlier and it was so horrible I didn't want to know what will be later. I am glad you did all the suffering for me so I don't have to.
I said this in a previous video, and you may have saw it, but I wanna suggest it again. It’d be cool to see a mod/self imposed challenge where there are 2 (or more) players, and each of them only has access to a portion of recipes, forcing players to send shipments of resources to each other to process and send back.
It was a lot of fun finding your channel and then watching nearly all your videos over the course of this series, if I ever decide to start joining youtubers patreons, yours will be near the top of my list
I am playing seablock and got basically red and green science at good automation levels. I completely agree on the early game slog especially when you have the build down but need to wait and walk around for resources to be made just to build it. However in total it is still lots of fun
I'm 1000 hours into seablock and was inspired by your first video. I'm having a great time, but I also stumbled on modules. I'd guess I'm probably 500-600 hours from finishing based on my pace so far
Ahh! A fellow who has a seablock file that has more than 1000 hours like mine does! I'm post yellow science and have just been avoiding doing the rocket fuel research to tech into space science since I want to upgrade my base massively and way overproduce the circuits. Also I have a build that produces (theoretically) 17.5 T3 modules/min (all 3 kinds) and that eats through a ton of circuits, so my base needs it. And I need to upgrade my science production. Anyway, the thing that has slowed me down the most is probably that I'm not using any base bots, just me and my 200 personal bots (I should increase that number...)
Your videos made me realize I enjoy watching factorio way more than playing it. I can't imagine ever beating this mod myself (would probably ragequit before even getting power and sludge going) but it sure was entertaining watching how you solved all the problems and built up the aesthetic base.
Seablock also has quite a history by this point. It started back when burners had an efficiency, for example - it was very hard to get more energy out of the algae farms than they cost before you upgraded your boilers. There were no Angel tree farms or farming either IIRC. You got your first sulphuric acid from washing coal (made from algae), rather than as a tiny byproduct of mud washing. You didn't even have the wind turbines to start - there was the typical solar + accumulator combo, which quickly spiraled into half of your base shutting down at night when you expanded too fast and didn't realize you outbuilt your power supply :D Some things got easier over time, some got harder. Modules were also incredibly nerfed compared to standard... I've probably played more than 300 hours of Seablock by now, starting again whenever a big update came out. It was always great fun, though I still haven't gotten anywhere near to the end, or even launching a single rocket. And now I'm on PyBlock, because of course there's always something even more ridiculous :D
I'd be hyped for a twitch streamed playthrough, not sure he'd be good with an unscripted unedited content format though. But whatever's going to be, it will be very much appreciated! 😊
Loved your videos on these Dosh! I was nearing completion of my own Seablock base when the first came out, so fun to see how we differ in approach. Also, it's great how many people you've inspired to play this amazing mod.
Been fighting the urge to try a SE run knowing im just going to give up but i keep watching your videos and i cant stop myself and i hope you're happy knowing how much pain you have and will cause me
Dosh I want you to know that the greatest achievement of this series is that it is thus far the most watchable Seablock series hands down. And a complete one at that! Others are incredibly, long, slow, and too caught up in details. Or simple uploads of strewams with are always dicey to watch give the live interaction often detracts after the fact. So over all your editing skills and humor have created a triumph of Factorio content.
The fact you managed to make this scalable mega base into a nice rectangle/square at one point is what blew my mind. I will never be this good but one can dream 😂
I will say Krastorio2 has way better combat then Seablock and power production is far less convoluted. The mod is very fun by comparison to the grind of BEANS.
@@maelglorious thanks to the air purifiers I haven't even had to worry about combat much which is good because it takes me forever to figure things out and if I had to deal with biters on top of that I would probably lose my mind
I didn't know what I was getting into so I tried it. Yeah, didn't work. I tried a main bus with metal plates but the progression keeps adding more types of plates and changing previous recipes and the throughput you need is way too high.
This series almost makes me want to play seablock again. I played this many years ago and beat it with brown algae power... yeah, second thought I'm not going to play seablock again.
I laughed in the previous video at your frustrations when making the biters and gems section because that's precisely where I stopped a few months ago. I'm going to go back to it, but damn did that section basically drop my interest for a bit.
I have no idea about anything involving factorio and I often just get lost when I try to follow what you're doing. But none of that really matters because your voice is just... so interesting. Somehow you manage to remain almost monotone yet portray so much emotion with it.
I will say, sea-block heavily incentivizes using puffers for chemical processes, like acid gas and hydrazine. by doing so you gain access to eggs for biter farming, crystalizing excess polluted fish water into crystal shards, and get the meat for said biters all in 1 go. This takes a lot of the pain out of modules and if you had started with that earlier you could have relied on having a supply of modules when you made the builds for everything else rather than only having them at the end to cover shortfalls.
I think one of these best things about these mods is that you can find many wildly different ways of getting the same resources. It's nice that it's not just a flat "do this now, since it's flat-out better". You can choose between different options based on what you have already set up.
Have you considered playing Nullius? It's kind of similar to seablock in the "you start with a bunch of buildings, make stuff from water, and deal with a lot of waste product" sense but it does a much better job of onboarding the player, like having essentially quests in the research tree ("build a car", "burn a bunch of steam in the backup steam turbine", etc.) Plus the premise is different enough from regular factorio: you're starting with a lifeless planet and eventually terraforming it into the Nauvis we know and love, adding biters, trees, etc. Also puts its own spin on the SE way to handle beacons where you can have multiple beacons per building but the ratio of buildings to beacons is still like 100x of vanilla.
With your knowledge of the game and the amount of mods you have played I think a lot of people would like to see a factorio mod tier list, or something like a recommended play order in terms of difficulty
very fun watching your videos and going from obscure game i've never heard of and will never play to game that is so incredibly complex i don't know what's happening at any time i'm being dead serious keep it up
Man, you're making awesome videos about modded Factorio. Love it. After Space exploration series, I've decided to play factorio, I mean I had no experience in this game at all, but it was not overly complicated even with space exploration. Real life engineering experience helps a lot. It took me a month to finish, though... And I ended up changing recipes in mod files to make resource consumption grow less exponentially. I mean, 30 UPS sucks. And if I did not change module recipes to require 1 previous module instead of 2, there was no way I would produce any after 3rd tier. Just those required for some other recipes. With plain progression, I've ended up with everything on 8th tier modules, but UPS still was 30. Also I've changed all "special" resource recipes to require ~2 times less of previous things. Just want to play, not suffer with 10 UPS that I would have to face in "vanilla" space exploration. Now I've almost finished Seablock. It's good, I've done all things with modular rails system, all resource recipes are now top-tier, preparing for a first rocket. But this module system... Having to breed puffers to breed biters to hatch eggs to extract crystals from biter ass? I'm going to delete this whole crystal thing from module requirements. Again, thank you for these great videos!
You made a belt printer just to offer odes to the Bean God while making this run. I approve. Now to actually go watch that because I'm sorting this week's uploads by length...
I did a regular Angel + Bob run in Factorio recently. I mostly used belts and the base is one huge pile of spaghetti. It took me 123 hours to launch a single rocket without a satellite. I only have Tier 1 and 2 modules out of 8 tiers. If I tried to do the Space Extension research I'd probably reach 300+ hours on the save.
Thank you very much for making these videos! BTW would you make videos of other similar games, like Mindustry, Shapez, and Dyson Sphere Program? I also love all of those , especially DSP.
For the posited question of a bus base for this mod: Zisteau tried to do a main bus for at least part of his Seablock base. It was… certainly something. It was later fed into a hyper speed bot network, though, to solve all the throughput, routing, and speed issues. The main issue then became the sheer length of the still extant bus for most materials to reach the bot network area, which was both a boon and a hindrance. A boon in that when shortages began, it was a few moments before the shortage reached the end; a hindrance in that solving a shortage often meant it was fully dried up and would take minutes to fill the end of the belt again, maybe more than ten if there was a loop process that needed to build up speed. I’ve made super long belt buses on many an occasion for many reasons, mostly for the More Science Packs mod, and they are strange to deal with. Speed of throughput and rate of change are such bizarre details to have to account for, but it really is important when you go that distance on a belt bus.
This Beanology was rather pleasant to watch Wish i could design cityblocks this perfect Mine are always too small or too big, or not enough rails and i just dont know how to do this properly
This went into a very rare playlist for me. "Actual madness" Other video on that playlist for example is trying to beat battle cats with only a single type of unit.
My attempt was a main bus, it honestly was not as bad as you would think. you get some pretty sick fast belts, coils stack well and i knew from the start it would be a very wide bus, roughly 40 lanes and a few return lanes for the by products that use it. also i was not a purist. trains still took care of all the crushed ore and most liquids. My attempt was about 340 hours but a lot of time was wasted on redoing bad smelter designs.
