I played these Potion Making Games in my quest for the Ultimate Potion Game 

the science are potion shaped...

not quite potions, but the Thaumaturgic Machinations mod

I'm just imagining Minecraft GregTech but instead of elements its different herbs

Please release the new video soon! Months of wait is unacceptable for my free content!

@@TheSuitBoi And a basketball is planet-shaped, but a licensed NBA video game isn't going to help a hankering for KSP.

You know what. You're right.

my stomach angers

DRUNKEN MASTEEEERS!

I could have remembered something useful or funny or endearing. God-forbid, maybe even something important. Instead, somewhere in my brain, a couple of shitass neurons have no idea that their only purpose has been to maintain a pathway to let me, after over a decade without thinking about it, recall the name of some flash game I played when I was too young to get any of the jokes. Bartender: The Right Mix. Good job lads, keep up the good work.

The Right Mix actually has a singular goal, and no one ever does it.

I opened the comments and read this exactly as he said it in the video lmao

also "PP is so flaccid in tone" lmao

"PP just isn't hard, or challenging at all"

I was just going to comment on this. Absolutely genius and made me genuinely laugh out loud.

Potion Permit was such a huge disappointment for me. I liked the aesthetics and premise a lot, and the gathering sections were decent. But everything else is so shallow it really makes you wonder why most of the other mechanics were even in the game - they feel like placeholders in an incomplete proof-of-concept.

😂Thats brown

Whoa that sounds way fucking cool

I got chills from this comment - literally been thinking of something like that for years! If things could be wished into existence, that game would have been out in 2015. Can't believe there's been someone out there with the same thoughts

crusader kings, but, potions?

SS13 has the best potion/chemistry system. look at the wiki for hippiestations chemistry. Each chemical has different liquid, solid, and gas temperatures.

There’s a game somewhat like that called Kynseed.

... To watch a couple through a window?

“I ended up choosing the moth chick because she’s got four arms. And I’m not gonna elaborate on that any further” is a pretty close second as far as gold goes.

@@knownas2017 what else does one do on a saturday night?

Its unironically good criticism too ☠️

The virgin self-inserter: "noooo, this character isn't a non-descript isekai protagonist!" The Chad thespian: "I am a multi-eyed crow-octopus thing of no distinguishing gender and I am to romance the sapient portal into another reality? *That is EXACTLY my fetish.*"

Obviously, twice the arms means twice the factorio games she can play at once.

i personally would choose the cauldronsmith but if i had the option to give him more arms... yeah i would've

@@mrShift_0044 Muktuk is an absolute bro, 10/10 would lift more weights.

you got a timestamp?

I can agree with his statement of four arms, I'm also not going to elaborate on it.

For me it was the crazy amount of glitches

​@@darkangel9551What.. glitches...😮

I'm so glad I'm not the only one. As much as I like that game, such a damn tilter when I lost those hours

I quite liked the game and story idk why this guy committed himself so hard to bad opinions. But yeah the only thing I didn’t like was the repetitive nature of resource gathering. I I do wish characters in the kind of genre in general were more in depth

brooo that game sounds bad

Strange Horticulture was FANTASTIC. I desperately seek the game that is the potion-crafting equivalent to how I felt playing that game LOL

It's funny how games that do that, but are not entirely around potion are better than the ones mentioned here

@@bruschetta7711got any recommendations?

Strange horticulture is one of my favourite games of all time

Pathologic and Strange Horticulture are EXCELLENT games. Pathologic is a deep cut. I respect your taste in games 👌

Of course

Not today, Federal Bureau of Insinuation!

​@@Jesus_Offical Jesus boutta make the ultimate wine 😳

Typical FBI sticking their nose in other agencies' jurisdictions.

You're not the DEA, you can't stop me and my roaming potion shop!

Programmer: I have this complex game mechanic but no artistic skill, well, doodles should be fine. Artist: Gameplay isn't my thing, but I can make everything look and feel good.

And then there's the mathematician

@@user-burnerworst and best of both worlds, depending upon luck

@@chillyavian7718 dwarf fortress os a good case study on that

God the sheer astonishing difference in visuals between both is a real interesting thing to look at. Complex mathematical coding engineering madness games like Rimworld, Dwarf Fortress, CDDA, etc prefer simple visuals and unappealing looks but they circumvent it with some of the best unique god damn mechanics that revolutionize gaming and introduce so many mind numbing ideas on what a game can be. Then there's Potion Permit, i mean it looks good, that's it

Loved your work! I would've talked about the music more, but sadly it wasn't really the subject of the video. It was way more professional than I'd expect from a little potion crafting game and It really deserved more than just a shout out. Muktuk's theme was definitely my favorite.

@@DoshDoshington I love muktuk's theme - I've used it for a favorite NPC in my D&D game.

moth theme slaps

Yep. but then pathologic comes around! not really fantasy though

my burned out ass would wait for a year after the release of the game so i can guide from the unofficial wiki of the game

@@clairelili873 pretty sure it is, especially by the end

You may actually like pathologic, that description hit pretty close to it in my mind, it do be stressful though, I still haven't had the motivation to finish it

Each action you take costs money to run the machine... but it also occupies the machine for a certain amount of time. Is it worth dropping big money for the batch processor, more efficient but demands batch logistics?

Nitroglycerin shampoo is best shampoo

My favourite shampoo is concentrated nitric acid with concentrated sulphuric acid in an ice bath.

No officer, it is regular shampoo, not super concentrated sulfric acid.

@@ewbaite Then you drop in the glycerin very slowly and carefully to make sure that the nitration mix doesn't explode.

@@ewbaite everyone loves piranha solution

It really did, because it looks just like the sort of thing I'd play. But I just couldn't see myself constantly going out to gather so few resources everyday. While also trying to get to know the townspeople.

Yup and it’s made so much more annoying that even with upgraded tools it’s takes so long to harvest the highest tiers of ingredients

Oh yeah, I remember that game. The unique map system's cool, puts all that boy scout knowledge to use

​@@DoshDoshington make a video about it please 🥺

Never heard about it, thank you for mentioning it, wishlisted it :)

the best kind of character design

Twice the hugs :D

The second I thought about Pathologic 2 it appered in a video... imagine my reaction

Everyone is a Factorio addict, they just don't have discovered their addiction yet.

Furry :3

Tumblr art style

I followed the development of Potionomics closely on twitter and the game delivered on what it set out to do, nothing more nothing less.

Doesn't Potion Permit have a demo though? I believe that's how I tried it though. So I knew not to buy it because of that.

It feels so comfy

We need a endless mode.

It certainly has the greatest art design. The characters are all beautifully animated. T'was quite entertaining to play :D

too bad you can't play a male counterpart to the protagonist; if it had that, i'd be sold in playing it for a bit of shounen-ai sim-romance >w

I believe there is something similar, but for blacksmithing instead of potions.

Potion Tales isn't out yet and only has a demo, and it honestly isn't much about potion making tbh, no puzzling or wacky ingredients, but you can give your customers _any_ potion in your book, and they _all_ change the plot. A _lot_. Everyone should check it out!

Honestly though that plays into the idea in the back of my mind. Effectively crafting for all these specific applications. Herbs mixtures, potions, drinks, etc. Works with spells and less esoteric stuff like normal crafting games.

​@@ravenanne1734 very cool

SS13 lets you be a bartender, it's online though and most people make things to kill others in a funny way instead

I can't get over firis creating an artificial sun

@@nechocat1234 that happens? I've only really played Atelier Sophie and I thought a magic lantern that kills dragons was wild

@@kittyshippercavegirl even in sophie there is more crazy stuff than the lantern, there is an epilogue in sophie where she creates an item used in firis, it's not that wild after plating firis and knowing how the game is, but that still it's on another level

I'm really surprised that he wasn't a fan tbh I think the game is pretty fun and Def a vibe

Always interesting to see so different approaches to games. I loved Stardew Valley for the struggle that is trying to squeeze something important out of every energy, gold, and minute in game (especially in the beginning). Then I started a new farm with my younger sibling (their first time playing). I like the relationships and characters, but it was always treated as a part of the checklist. In contrast, my sibling started beef with Leah (don't remember why) and gave her trash/anything she hated for like a whole year, would walk Abigail home by holding a torch and walking with her, and ultimately having to let Abigail go because Haley was just better (despite not truly starting a relationship with Abigail). In the background, I'm chopping as many trees and collecting as much as possible to get lvl. 10 forging, so I can get iridium quality forage items in the future, all while managing my fluctuating money that will be really high one day before having as close to zero the next as spent it all just so I could work to make even more money. Sibling told me they could not imagine being so willing to spend all that money easily and living in poverty. And I couldn't imagine being okay spending so much time decorating before I have a steady income, a lot of main objectives completed, and access to any resource/crop I need in surplus.

In his defense, Potion Permit is super bland in comparison to the other games in the video, among others (i.e. Atelier/Mana Khemia)

@@eyesfullofsky9776each to their own, i think some of the other games were far too bland, where you just continue to make potions over and over again to sell with no real story or plot, or if any, very little. And so little to do outside of only making potions. If that is what you were going for, great. Potion Permit just explored far more than just potion making and that might not be for everyone. We are all different and look for different things in games. So it’s very much each to their own. But i do love to see other peoples options and views on it 😊

@@Firebrace I see both sides of this sibling coin. I really like the characters of Stardew and was surprised he said they were one dimensional. However, if you treat talking to them as a checklist I can see how that could happen. I also ran around after my crushes and made little scenarios to spend time with them. Like fishing where sebastian smokes. However, I like making wineries and always try to ramp up quickly. I just tend to get exhausted and then immediately go flirt with my chosen wife/husband

I've got the perfect name for it -- GhostShip.

@@primejourney946 Rock and Stone!

There actually is a game like that coming out soon. You're a ghost landlord, and you try to play matchmake for your tenants. I've seen the demo on another channel. I wonder if he was referencing that game when making that comment? 😆

​@@raerohan4241what's the name of the game?

@@raerohan4241 waiting for the name as well

Hard agree on that, gotta be my favourite game series :D

Pathologic is the kind of game I will probably never play but always excited to hear about

there’s a switch game with coffee talk vibe where you’re a witch in a coven and deal with tarot, so not potion per say but it might interest you.

For those interested it's Witchy Life Story I believe, very cozy but more VN than game@@strawbebe

I actually have to countermand you on the point of the Atelier games; Atelier Iris 3 & Mana Khemia both unfortunately end up failing because they gate off materials according to the areas you can go very hard, to the point that you can't find even one item from shared catagories needed to make new items for a very long time. You also get the same raw ingredients with little variance over and over, so there's a lot less variety in recipes in general, too; the majority of it is in the tiers of gear each new world unlocks, as I recall, and you get vanishingly little else. There is plenty of secondary materials with a wide range of possible qualities and effects from crafting different things together, Atelier Sophie 1 & 2, on the other hand, has not only variety on ingredients, but also variety on ingredient functionality, so you can make something late in the game much more effectively than early on, but at the same time you can't just throw in tons of high-rank ingredients and it works, because of the restrictions of the cauldron you're using (the primary gating mechanic of the first game, there). Firis and Lydia & Suelle similarly had their alchemy systems made like Sophie's, though with their own twists on it, and it made me quite happy to see the Atelier series putting more effort into the alchemy system. Ryza was a marked step down in this, unfortunately, as it went with a "get enough color points for a node" choice where it rarely matters what you throw in, so long as it color (element) matches, unless it's a node that specifically wants ONE type of ingredient, but that just gets back to the same issues AI3/MK had, though with a lot more nodes to throw useless ingredients into; I hope they go back towards a more mechanically competent system going forward from Ryza.

Yes, if you try and optimize your potion recipes and fill the custom requests the game is actually pretty engaging (when you're brewing). It's everything else in the game that feels out of whack. Like he said the economy doesn't incentivize you to engage with the interesting brewing mechanics and the need to grind removes the focus on brewing.

"If the only end result of making potions is being able to make more potions, you failed" 36:25

I kinda miss that mod from 1.7.10. It also added being able to become a vampire.

@@probower4726I never moved on from 1.7.10 because of the mods. I look at new versions of minecraft with their fancy off hand mechanics and raids and think:" I'm happy with AE2 thanks"

absolutely love that game

Well I think so , the developer literally have zero experience or at least little in game development. Knowing the developer is from Indonesia, the country which hardly ever had any notable games nor experienced developer. It is still servicable for their first project. For those unaware, despite Indonesia have a lot of populations, it is astronomically rare to see a game studio from that country because Indonesia is actually lacking in human resources department compared to neighbouring country. But at the very least I appreciate their effort despite the unsatisfactory outcome.

It would take years if he goes full hog in all of the games. And I'm all for it XD

@@jackmesrel4933 Atelier Sophie can just be described its a slightly better potion permit. Tetris stacking when making potions and boring af characters and overall really boring game play loop.

I really like the visual though, especially that isometric with chibi one at 9:40. Loading time seems like a turn off sadly, especially with a PC that struggle to even play old games at times.

you mean let them brew?

@@Ouryuu-Zenokun right

Maybe just maybe they could also have I dunno finished the game before releasing it in the first place then? Wild idea, I know

I absolutely not care one bit about Factorio but his other video are genuinely one of the best videos I've ever watched on RU-vid. The pacing,editing, commentary, his voice... everything is perfect.

@@dntbther9298I’m just here to listen to his voice

I promise he uses a script

To say they're very anime isn't the half of it. They're super casual and their stories are rarely particularly complicated, characters often already know what you need, how to get what you need, or just hand over the thing you need the moment you ask about it; though they do get fairly deep when you read between the lines and connect the dots between each game in their respective quadrilogy, and some can have pretty dark moments despite the over-all light tone that's usually present. They can get quite difficult, depending on what your difficulty setting is, and range from mediocre crafting being sufficient to needing to min-max your crafting or you'll have a very bad time, and the crafting can be as simple as slapping what you already have together to an involved process to move a singular trait from one item to another through 6+ step processes. Many of them, particularly the older ones, also have time-based game overs. The only one of the more recent ones that do, that I can point at, is the first half of Firis, though Firis gives you *plenty* of time.

fr bro, i was hoping he would have at least touched upon opus magnum

​@@memes_gbc674 To be somewhat fair, Opus Magnum doesn't exactly fit the criteria these games look to fit under It's got a few "potions" to make, yeah, but like Dosh's example with Witchwood, it's not the main focus by any stretch -He's also talked about Opus Magnum before alongside all the other Zachtronics games anyway lul-

@@lordmarshmal_0643 well what i meant is that he'd at least mention it, not do a full on critique like the rest of the games

@@memes_gbc674 He already did alongside all the other zachtronic games ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2NwVFpf0z1o.html

I think there’s quite an abyss between Little Witch and Potion Permit, even though they may look similar on the surface because of the presentation. I found the gameplay in Little Witch to be a lot more engaging, it felt a lot more like you’re exploring and discovering stuff and that your actions have meaning. Potion Permit lacks all that, it only has endless grinding. In addition to that all the grinding ends up being counter-productive in terms of making you like the characters. When everyone is literally asking you to do their job for them, it’s hard to feel anything other than you’re being exploited.

@Irene Saltini That's definitely true and fair. I just felt like they were going for similar things, but Potion Permit lacked the same depth. Meaning I feel uncertain recommending it to someone who seems to dislike a lot of the base premise.

id say he should go for ayesha, best in the series for me