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Sean Strickland just defeated Paulo Costa at UFC 302. Video features Sean Strickland's fights with Dricus Du Plessis, Jared Cannonier, and Abus Magomedov.
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@azlnbstrmann1577
@azlnbstrmann1577 24 дня назад
When he fought izzy like that everybody loved him and called it technical and defensive masterclass.
@cloudmaster182
@cloudmaster182 24 дня назад
Mma fans are dumb as hell and so easy to sway
@werdumed6665
@werdumed6665 24 дня назад
Because those people dislike Izzy, the same people that discredit islam because you guessed it, not American. Use your head.
@cotybreannaeastwood
@cotybreannaeastwood 24 дня назад
I actually like the way he fights people want a reason to bitch people want more striking and that's all Strickland does but then people say he's boring it's stupid
@johnmarkson1998
@johnmarkson1998 24 дня назад
@@cotybreannaeastwood tbf people have said they hate how izzy fights for years and he is pure striker. its not about ground vs standing. its about whats fun to watch and point fighting isnt fun to watch. period.
@tater8251
@tater8251 24 дня назад
@@cotybreannaeastwood I rather have wrestling than pointfighting : ) Sean Strickland never goes for the finish or takes risks, just like Izzy, he'll sit there at range, throw jabs, just like Izzy with his counters, waiting for the fight to end so he can win on scorecards. I'm more afraid of Belal finishing someone with a submission than I am of Sean Strickland knocking someone out.
@cameronharper4554
@cameronharper4554 24 дня назад
Seans coaches have actually been saying the exact same thing, his style is effective but its really difficult to get ahead of your opponent just jabbing and teeping when the scoring criteria is looking for big impact. Which is why he loses split decisions
@2regarded
@2regarded 23 дня назад
The last two split decisions he lost, he dished out more damage and landed bigger punches
@prosandconsofintelligentco8047
@prosandconsofintelligentco8047 23 дня назад
​@@2regardedhe did not land bigger shots than dricus
@2regarded
@2regarded 23 дня назад
@@prosandconsofintelligentco8047 at some point accumulation matters toward "effective striking" That fight was razor close. The cannonier fight was a straight up robbery
@anorginalname805
@anorginalname805 23 дня назад
@@2regardedagreed. As well as missed strike
@TheDaymanium
@TheDaymanium 23 дня назад
@@prosandconsofintelligentco8047 The scoring criteria isn't "bigger shots" it's damage you 40 IQ worm. Look at Sean, look at Ddp. Very obvious who won that fight filthy casuals
@cherryb0ng
@cherryb0ng 24 дня назад
Sean vs Costa wasn't a fight, it was a sparring session.
@snakeman-metalman157
@snakeman-metalman157 22 дня назад
Costa should've racked up the pace tbh. His style isn't fitting for that high level of MMA and hes gonna just keep losing in similar fashion if he doesn't do something to actually dish damage
@DivineAtheistWannabe
@DivineAtheistWannabe 22 дня назад
You shut your mouth! They went to war and bled for us
@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186
@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186 18 дней назад
Strickland is a cave man
@boygenius538_8
@boygenius538_8 16 дней назад
He should have just pretended Costa was Sneako
@TheMarcosHZ
@TheMarcosHZ 24 дня назад
Sean needs to do the crazy unringed combos at the end of every round
@SillyRobot
@SillyRobot 23 дня назад
Seriously, there so exciting to watch
@derecksantiago7019
@derecksantiago7019 21 день назад
It will make him predictable if he does it at the end of EVERY round
@TheMarcosHZ
@TheMarcosHZ 21 день назад
@@derecksantiago7019 yeah but he can mix it up. Depending on how the round goes
@viciousvagabond1419
@viciousvagabond1419 17 дней назад
Ehhhh, that can lead to him getting knocked tf out. What makes him so good is how elusive he is and he doesn’t exactly have the best chin to risk going wild all the time
@mybjj9643
@mybjj9643 22 дня назад
Strickland makes almost everyone look bad. Izzy, Costa. Most folks don’t understand how good Strickland is.
@keymaker2112
@keymaker2112 14 дней назад
Bingo. People confuse Strickland's skill set for his skill level. The guy leans on the basics, and so everyone assumes he's basic, but the WAY he implements that limited and basic skill set is masterful. Honestly, he's a nightmare for practically anyone to fight.
@jordandennis6794
@jordandennis6794 14 дней назад
Expect for Alex Pereira 😂
@OHBJJ9634
@OHBJJ9634 14 дней назад
​@@jordandennis6794 found the hole in his game mad quick
@hookedblades6471
@hookedblades6471 13 дней назад
Well, that is Alex Pereira. Man's a beast. ​@@jordandennis6794
@achmaddmitri9090
@achmaddmitri9090 9 дней назад
The thing is he's good on defense but no back up plan if opp ran away like costa did
@MakoTheFrog
@MakoTheFrog 24 дня назад
these judges HAVE to be held accountable in post event press conferences where they explain their scoring cards because this was the most insane scoring i have seen since Cory Sandhagen 50-45'd Chito and one judge gave it to Chito. crazy.
@HeliodromusScorpio
@HeliodromusScorpio 24 дня назад
Strickland saw the high kicks coming from a mile away Costa tried to throw one like twice
@DrewRigatoya
@DrewRigatoya 23 дня назад
It wasn't that Sean saw them from a mile away just that he was in Costas face constantly making it impossible to throw effectively
@Harls2
@Harls2 21 день назад
@@DrewRigatoyahe threw them effectively sean just moved 💀
@kelakogreenaddict1888
@kelakogreenaddict1888 15 дней назад
He tried to spin though, right? I think Sean read the spin from a mile away. I think if costa did more combo stuff or more sophisticated set ups he may have had more success (maybe, because people recently cant seem to set anything up, both credit to Sean and bit silly of their opponent)
@Janolinni
@Janolinni 24 дня назад
the judge giving the fight to Costa just mistook the fighters
@saljewsteinbergowitz
@saljewsteinbergowitz 23 дня назад
Maybe he's just punishing Sean for being a f a g and the opposite of entertaining.
@MrDavidKord
@MrDavidKord 21 день назад
Leg kicks. Literally that's all it was.
@TrashPanda90914
@TrashPanda90914 18 дней назад
​@@MrDavidKordNah that judge, Tirelli I think his name is, has quite the history of atrocious decisions. He's shady af.
@olliecurtin8590
@olliecurtin8590 24 дня назад
I think you made a really good point here, It makes perfect sense why Strickland keeps ending up on the wrong side of split decisions and how one judge gave Paulo 4 rounds. All you need is one significant shot to get ahead of him in a round per the scoring criteria
@fladagreat
@fladagreat 24 дня назад
Costa didn't land the largest strikes in 4 different rounds though... But yeah, the scoring criteria is vague, purposefully so imo
@johnmarkson1998
@johnmarkson1998 24 дня назад
find someone that can land that big shot to get ahead though. who is it? paulo failed imo. strikland landing the volume and the biggest shots of each round. the only guy i can think of is du plesies.
@ainz2579
@ainz2579 23 дня назад
Keeps ending up? Bro it happended once and if the criteria is damage a gazillion jabs do more than one impact
@slitlord6790
@slitlord6790 23 дня назад
he knocked him down for the first 3 rounds
@snakeman-metalman157
@snakeman-metalman157 22 дня назад
Yes but at the same time you can't honestly sit here and say you would've scored Costa up 4 rounds when Sean clearly was in control 97% of the fight
@cloudmaster182
@cloudmaster182 24 дня назад
Why is Strickland's style suddenly boring when just like a month ago he was everyone's favorite fighter and everybody "loved his style". He literally did nothing different this fight. Every sean Strickland fight this is always what he does, win or lose. Sometimes the other guy presses more or less action than Costa did, but idk why everyone's hating on Sean all of a sudden when this is all he's ever done in the octagon
@zaytheprofit5477
@zaytheprofit5477 24 дня назад
his style was always boring and all the people that were jumping on the bandwagon are just izzy haters and/or trump/colby fans looking for the next inbred ufc fighter to dick ride so they pretended to like his boring ass style and now that hes not champ they are jumping off the bandwagon
@posintabook597
@posintabook597 24 дня назад
No one loved his style though The guy is probably the most coward fighter that ever existed in mma His skills are literally a by product of his insane Defense mechanism and fear of engagement, he’s good because hes neurological abilities have allowed him to develop a style which produces the best results with the lowest risk possible I still remember him inviting hermanson to brawl in the last 7 seconds of the fight and soon as hermanson came in the middle Sean still avoided him and run away 💀💀💀 he’s a weird individual His personality is weird too, an excellent fraud and pretender
@jayocaine2946
@jayocaine2946 24 дня назад
His style was always boring, but all the dumb vocal npcs love him because he spouts out overdone republican talking points and cries constantly about censorship and trannies. But thag after the end of every fight we're reminded that he is boring and that boxing is boring
@ball1slife107
@ball1slife107 24 дня назад
Never loved his style, he's just funny
@nitrox1613
@nitrox1613 24 дня назад
@@posintabook597bunch of yapping
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 24 дня назад
At least Costa made it in the cage.
@VinnyMickeyRickeyDickeyEddy
@VinnyMickeyRickeyDickeyEddy 23 дня назад
I thought it was a good demonstration of martial arts on Strickland’s part. He shut down Costa and didn’t take damage. Isn’t that the point of martial arts?
@user-vc6
@user-vc6 15 дней назад
Most of the fans don’t train and have little appreciation for technique/art . They watch for entertainment
@amphibianenthusiast1887
@amphibianenthusiast1887 24 дня назад
I think it's time to just stop talking about the judging criteria because it's become painfully clear that it's just fake. It literally doesn't matter, the judges and fans literally just ignore it
@zk3212
@zk3212 15 дней назад
As they should, in my opinion. It's a stupid criteria.
@Torpedoman316
@Torpedoman316 24 дня назад
I love that Sean doesn't fight fancy and that he keeps it basic and wins with fundamentals . Fuck what everyone else thinks
@OldMarius-gn5kk
@OldMarius-gn5kk 22 дня назад
true, at the end of the day its all about getting the win.
@Torpedoman316
@Torpedoman316 22 дня назад
@@OldMarius-gn5kk you are correct tho, he will continue to get split decisions if he doesn't make small adjustments. I'm sure he knows this and working on it right now
@maxpowers4436
@maxpowers4436 21 день назад
@@Torpedoman316 Fighter cares about getting the win. Most fans care about hype and entertaining fights not snooze fests.
@Torpedoman316
@Torpedoman316 21 день назад
@@maxpowers4436 wowwww I never knew that.
@zk3212
@zk3212 15 дней назад
​@Torpedoman316 Exactly, he'll be okay in the long run, it's clear that him and his coaches know it's an issue and are hopefully gonna fix it
@J0nny_Ch1mp0
@J0nny_Ch1mp0 23 дня назад
I don't agree with your assessment. If fighter1 has a strong jab [which Sean does] & hits an opponent with 10 consecutive jabs, but then the opponent swings a wild haymaker that's glancing, but has the appearance of rocking fighter1, the opponent with the sloppy haymaker shouldn't get the favorable scoring.
@michaelcarroll5801
@michaelcarroll5801 23 дня назад
Yeah, the criteria said quite clearly that cumulative effects are important, even if less important than big strikes. But still something to be weighed up on a case by case basis
@roryjohnston6567
@roryjohnston6567 17 дней назад
​@michaelcarroll5801 exactly, no 1 size fits all, 10 jabs vs 2 shots that rock a guy and send him visibly wobbled around the cage/ring can absolutely swing a round depending on the momentum etc. Etc., after all effective aggression is absolutely a factor
@Chrism7178
@Chrism7178 21 день назад
I love The way Strickland completely neutralizes everything a fighter loves...How can you not enjoy masterful dominance..
@Nialldrawsbadly
@Nialldrawsbadly 24 дня назад
I feel like this fight (and the ddp fight) has to be a wakeup call to sean, atleast to some extent. There were multiple times in this fight where he was in a state of advantage and he pretty much completely disengaged with costa. If the judges were like objective robots who followed the judging criteria objectively with no mistakes. Sure, sean can continue fighting like he does, but the thing is, they’re not. And eventually another big fights gonna come, and its gonna play out like all these fights do, with the end being sean getting “robbed”.
@keithkeif
@keithkeif 23 дня назад
I like Strickland and Costa. Strickland is like a stalker killer and I'm on the edge of my seat the whole time when I watch him fight, even during this fight with Costa.
@quintonb9626
@quintonb9626 20 дней назад
Only problem with that which u will realize after u watch him more, is there is no killer part of the stalker killer, he never ramps up or pushes for the “kill” he just stalks them slowly without really doing any killing, that’s why he appears to have endless cardio he moves like Jason but doesn’t kill like it 🤷‍♂️
@keithkeif
@keithkeif 20 дней назад
@@quintonb9626 "Only problem with that which u will realize after u watch him more" I've seen almost all his fights, so seen enough and still hold the same opinion. "he never ramps up or pushes for the “kill” he just stalks them slowly without really doing any killing" You say "never", I am assuming you are exaggerating. Just look at a highlight reel. Maybe you think he doesn't go for it enough? and is too safe? Fair enough, I can see that. But I still find his style very entertaining, even the fight with Costa was a nailbiter for me.
@greendaypackers
@greendaypackers 24 дня назад
Its not that hard to understand Sean Strickland the fighter is great defensively and very technical offensively but doesn't mix it up enough or take risks to make it interesting. A lot of Sean's fans are just like Izzy's fans and so on but the walk forward/walk backwards debate really discredits certain styles like counter punchers. Walking forward can be just as boring as a fighter walking backwards but theres also fighters who have the style to know what to do. Sean Strickland knows how to fight but doesn't push the pace enough when his opponents are backed up and clueless. He only takes risks and mixes it up at the last 15 seconds.
@mikerhem1273
@mikerhem1273 23 дня назад
Simply stop talking like the Die on the field type gladiator. Lol because hes more of a sit back with a Bow and arrow type than a front line brute. The talking is what makes it cringe
@FranklinHicks-qs4gs
@FranklinHicks-qs4gs 19 дней назад
​@@mikerhem1273the bow and arrow was one of the biggest advancements in weaponry at the time. It changed warfare for centuries
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
@ChucksSEADnDEAD 19 дней назад
​@@mikerhem1273 A bow and arrow is more like standing at a distance, jumping in to land a strike and jump out of range again, minimizing risk. Standing in front of your opponent and throwing shots while deflecting incoming shots is standing in the middle of the battlefield parrying enemy swords type shit.
@mikerhem1273
@mikerhem1273 17 дней назад
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Probably a few different weapons i could have used as an example. Just trying to convey the point that hes a counter sniper. The constant pressure means nothing because he sits behind a really elite defensive shell to the point that his offense is borderline nonexistent
@malcolmcouturier6993
@malcolmcouturier6993 24 дня назад
Holding the center wouldnt have been enough for Costa. Sean landed everything he wanted when he would finally let his hands and kicks go.
@davidng8870
@davidng8870 24 дня назад
Yeah I mean he is not that stupid, he would have held the center if he could. The follow up shots were missing bc he was moving backwards
@misterwachulochulo5262
@misterwachulochulo5262 24 дня назад
Costa should've just bum rushed for the whole fight, Sean ain't a hard puncher and has no answer for t@rd brawling. Whatever loses to Izzy is what beats Strickland.
@snakeman-metalman157
@snakeman-metalman157 22 дня назад
Sean definitely has power and Sean showed he can handle a high pressure pace multiple times and I doubt with Costas style it would've been smart to js go in reaching like that even if he would've gotten more success he would've been running right into Sean's punches and he alr looked bad without Sean racking up the pace so gassing himself out to KO Sean would've been dumb and Sean more then likely wouldve went in for a finish
@walmartian422
@walmartian422 21 день назад
He would of if he could’ve he wasn’t used to fighting someone with a prodding defensive style that doesn’t leave many openings or commit to much. Costa does well when he fights more honest straightforward strikers sean and izzy both change their rhythm and timings on when the big shots or the small shots are coming and costa can’t adapt to it you saw how many times he was reacting in fear when sean would just feint a strike.
@snakeman-metalman157
@snakeman-metalman157 20 дней назад
@@walmartian422 yes I caught onto that long time ago I made plenty of comments like this I'm glad someone else noticed that. Against Robert, Sean and Izzy he becomes so lossed and the thing they all have in common is they chip at different part at your body or switch it up. When he goes up against fighters that are good at mixing on the feet he struggles so much compared to heavy hitters who just wanna go for the ko like Romero
@walmartian422
@walmartian422 20 дней назад
@@snakeman-metalman157 Yea that's the thing about Sean and Izzy most strikers just kind of throw at around 90 percent or 100 percent every strike. Sean will throw a 20% strike then a 100% strike then the next time it will start with the 100% power then 20% then he will throw nothing at you once he notices that you are starting to defend. These kinds of tactics really mess up peoples internal sense of timing and keeps them guessing and Paulo never really got comfortable in there. Also you noticed in that fight Strickland was consistently checking kicks and he wasn't even doing it on reaction he was just doing it on intuition randomly just raising his knees at opportunities where Costa might throw a leg kick which also really fucked costa up. Most fighters try to check on reaction but Sean was checking kicks preemptively even when no kicks were coming. Sean is really good at covering the deficits in his abilities by just using extremely strong fundamentals and mindgames.
@snakeman-metalman157
@snakeman-metalman157 19 дней назад
@@walmartian422 yup and with someone like Costa who struggles at adapting to fighters style. Styles where your never throwing the same thing in the row or constantly changing/messing with the rythem really fucks him up and it's clearly starting to become a weak point I wouldn't be surprised if fighters with more power caught onto this and clips him like Izzy did. He should be glad that his last few opponents weren't as committed to knocking him out as Izzy was cause I think it would've definitely been possible with his current style. Hopefully he switches to a more MMA based striking style before he really crash and burns
@username-jw7kp
@username-jw7kp 24 дня назад
Are we forgetting the knockdowns 💀
@JrJet7172
@JrJet7172 23 дня назад
Costa fell because he was caught with a jab while throwing a kick, he was never rocked
@thebatman-lr1sq
@thebatman-lr1sq 23 дня назад
@@JrJet7172 yeah it looked like a knockdown but it aint really
@Nettspendfan122
@Nettspendfan122 24 дня назад
I checked out when I saw him feint 4 teeps in a row and costa stood there and did nothing
@Cesar1492Enjoyer
@Cesar1492Enjoyer 24 дня назад
It’s crazy that he would still be champ if he simply used the teep more against DDP😂
@emilioparrilla465
@emilioparrilla465 24 дня назад
I don't think so, unlike Costa, dricus is actually willing to crash forward and get in close range where teep doesn't work. If you stay on the outside like izzy or Costa, the teeps are free
@wtfimcrying
@wtfimcrying 24 дня назад
@@emilioparrilla465he was far enough that sean could land a teep. Its not like he was constantly in his face.
@itisi2615
@itisi2615 24 дня назад
@@wtfimcrying He took the pressure out of Sean and that's why he landed a headkick... You have no clue about what's going on in MMA so why don't you do us all a favour and keep your uninformed, casual take to yourself and save us from the cringe and stupidity? Thanks from a Sean Strickland enjoyer.
@ainz2579
@ainz2579 23 дня назад
​@@emilioparrilla465 dricus is also a heavyweight so i don't think the teeps would work anyway
@thebatman-lr1sq
@thebatman-lr1sq 23 дня назад
@@ainz2579 lmao what? hes more lhw material
@ccovemaker
@ccovemaker 24 дня назад
Izzy broke Costa. Dry humped the mojo straight out of him. Costa hasn't been the same since.
@PotatoSlices
@PotatoSlices 21 день назад
Crazy how casually Izzy fans talk about public sexual assault like this. Guess it makes sense when their favorite fights molests dogs and they still don't care.
@the_dom.
@the_dom. 24 дня назад
I don't know what more people want, Sean walked Costa back and chased him around for 25 minutes, I'm surprised Costa's leg didn't break considering Sean checked almost every leg kick
@DerEchteBabo
@DerEchteBabo 24 дня назад
An entertaining fight? Sean is boring af and since he was controlling the pace it's because of him, that's what he always does
@the_dom.
@the_dom. 24 дня назад
@@DerEchteBabo So sean is boring because Costa was running away and avoiding the fight? Make that make sense
@user-cl8bj2eg2i
@user-cl8bj2eg2i 24 дня назад
@@the_dom.Sean had to chase Costa with flying kicks! I dont know what people want from Strickland too
@thekevinfoster
@thekevinfoster 24 дня назад
I’ll admit I didn’t see this fight so idk if it was different, but Sean’s style is all about minimizing risk and damage. He rarely throws significant combos or tries to finish the fight. His striking and defense are technically sound, but far from interesting to watch. I think it’s because of how he trains, hard sparring all the time. Naturally you would end up fighting this way. He’s a good fighter, but he’s called a “jab merchant” for a reason.
@itisi2615
@itisi2615 24 дня назад
We want Sean to fight the way he talks. The dude talks like he is John Wick looking for more bodies only to shell up and jab for 25 minutes. He talks like Robbie Lawler was, an actual savage. And Robbie was very softspoken after a win. Sean talks like Terminator only to 'fight' like my little pony. That doesn't match up with his big mouth. Pipe it down boy.
@michaelshannon9169
@michaelshannon9169 24 дня назад
It's one of those fights where you can't help wonder wtf their corner is saying. Costa is not a sophisticated fighter and knows it. He should have gone out all guns blazing.
@gutardude2234
@gutardude2234 21 день назад
If that’s the judges mindset, throwing big punches but not landing thinking Sean’s now in “danger” of being finished despite not being hit, then he should not judge fights. Avoiding and negating danger should be scored higher than throwing and missing hard punches.
@thekevinfoster
@thekevinfoster 24 дня назад
I see Sean’s style as based on the fact that he hard spars constantly. It’s not interesting to watch because it’s all about minimizing damage and taking very few risks.
@patrykwitczak719
@patrykwitczak719 21 день назад
To be honest this fight enterteined me. I love tactical fights.
@jonstermoniz1458
@jonstermoniz1458 22 дня назад
Costa literally ran the whole fight, I’ll never understand what the judges saw. How is Sean suppose to throw the combinations the fans want to see if Paulo is running around the ring?
@charleskageleiry7116
@charleskageleiry7116 19 дней назад
"How is Sean suppose to throw the combinations the fans want to see if Paulo is running around the ring?" You do something called cutting off the octagon....... pretty simple concept that can be difficult to master but definiteily can be done. just look at Ilia Topuria vs volk. Ilia is similar to sean in that his arsenal of strikes is pretty limited to just pure boxing plus a rear calf kick. But he 1. extends his combos and sits on his punches putting more power into his strikes and 2. he CUTS THE OCTAGON off so that he can trap his opponent againt the fence. Sean walks in a straight fucking line and doesnt even try to trap his opponent. This is a big part of why hes so fuckign boring dude.
@oxiclean4972
@oxiclean4972 24 дня назад
Great points, but I think the judge put the points on the wrong side personally, bc how do you get 46-49 when the other two judges get 49-46 and 50-45!
@user-dj4wf8so8t
@user-dj4wf8so8t 24 дня назад
Dude, did you listen to the video? His “great points” answered this very question.
@oxiclean4972
@oxiclean4972 24 дня назад
@@user-dj4wf8so8t he has his theory for how costa got a 46-49, I’ve got mine 🤷‍♂️
@oxiclean4972
@oxiclean4972 24 дня назад
@@user-dj4wf8so8the has his theory on Costa’s 46-49 I got mine that’s all.
@davancleere5957
@davancleere5957 24 дня назад
It’s not Seans fault Costa ran the hole time it takes 2 to tango
@michaeloliver1143
@michaeloliver1143 24 дня назад
UFC scoring is a joke, needs new criteria
@rollrighthook
@rollrighthook 24 дня назад
I fell asleep during the fight and missed two rounds of DP and Islam
@Kancerru
@Kancerru 24 дня назад
RIP
@artur5308
@artur5308 23 дня назад
I passed out during that fight too and missed the whole main event..
@justinle8787
@justinle8787 23 дня назад
Sean missed his true calling as a boxing champ lol Could have made more money too
@BryanBarcelo
@BryanBarcelo 17 дней назад
An interesting take, that I'm inclined to agree with, certainly does explain some apparently bizzare judging decisions.
@lucaspanto9650
@lucaspanto9650 5 дней назад
It's not putting your opponent in danger when it doesn't land though
@roninsavage6614
@roninsavage6614 22 дня назад
The fact that strickland had costa backing up the entire fight tells me he was in more danger not sean because i a solid jab..
@rickybodoni7460
@rickybodoni7460 23 дня назад
Sean outclassed him for 5 rounds people crying about a boring fight must only like knockouts think what Sean did is more impressive than most KO’s
@jackderaway
@jackderaway 24 дня назад
This a great video bro. You nailed it spot on. Really wish everyone watched this video so they’d realize the rules need more specificities
@coffeeortea547
@coffeeortea547 24 дня назад
Unpopular opinion but lowkey Guru's fault for perpetuating this damage thing. There are a few examples of him completely disregarding that effective striking and effective grappling are weight equally, favouring effective striking. After Volk vs Islam 1, there were a few times where he hinted and suggested this idea that because Volks backwards punches did more damage and Islam didn't do damage with the body triangle, that Volk has an argument for that round. He didn't make that argument but he did kinda hint at it. So the effective grappling that got Islam to the extremely dominant position of a body triangle was completely discounted because he wasn't able to get a sub and in trying to go for a sub, he didn't land damage. Seemed like he didn't lean into that fully because he knows how absurd that would sound if he did make that argument. Another example is his Usman vs Chimaev video. I agree with his conclusion that Usman won round 3 because Usman's effective striking had more cumulative impact than Khamzat's effective grappling. Khamzat landed a takedown and established an attack, almost passing half guard. Let's not act like that's 'meaningless control time' because of a lack of GnP damage. It's certainly less effective and less impactful than Usman's striking, hence giving Usman the round, but effective grappling isn't only scored when you use it to land damage or get a sub finish.
@melancholymartialarts7095
@melancholymartialarts7095 24 дня назад
Legal blows that have immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute towards the end of the match with the IMMEDIATE weighing in more heavily than the cumulative impact. Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact.” It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown. Top and bottom position fighters are assessed more on the impactful/effective result of their actions, more so than their position. So you're wrong
@coffeeortea547
@coffeeortea547 24 дня назад
@@melancholymartialarts7095 How am I wrong? Establishing half guard, pinning the opponent and almost passing to side control is definitely not a mere changing of position. It's not effective enough to win Chimaev the round but it absolutely counts as an establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown.
@mikedangerdoes
@mikedangerdoes 24 дня назад
Just curious what attacks Islam attempted from his body triangle? Effective grappling, like effective striking, is that which contributes towards the end of the fight. Islam's body triangle was beautiful but he barely tried anything from his position and rode out the round. That's worth very little points in and of itself, and they should have been stood up before the round ended because of a lack of activity. If he'd got his arm around Volk's neck, controlled his arms, put some sort of squeeze on, I could see your point. But just clinging on and stalling is not effective grappling contributing towards the end of the match.
@coffeeortea547
@coffeeortea547 24 дня назад
@@mikedangerdoes My overall point is that effective grappling, being listed in the first criteria with effective striking, weighs equally with effective striking, thus making this scoring system not a 'damage-based scoring system'. The issue that I take with 'damage-based scoring' is that it excessively favours striking and places excessive conditions for the value of effective grappling to be counted. Regarding your point about Islam doing nothing with the back: "Top and bottom position fighters are assessed more on the impactful/effective result of their actions, more so than their position" For one, that means position still counts towards scoring, just less so than impact. Furthermore, look at the impactful result that getting to the back had - it limited Volk's offensive options to pitter patter punches and gave Islam ample opportunity to try to attack his neck with huge margins of error. Volk was put on the defensive (and defended beautifully) and even when he found an opportunity to throw punches, Islam quickly was able to hide his head and throw punches of his own from a more mechanically advantageous position. Feel free to disagree with my interpretation of 'impactful result', as it doesn't explicitly say in the scoring criteria what counts as impactful/effective results. I just think that people who grapple know that taking the back is hugely impactful. I hope it's not too harsh but to say that Islam taking Volk's back is an even position due to lack of damage or sub attempts seems a bit disingenuous. Craig Jones, made that argument and I absolutely think he was being a homer for his buddy Volk. I'd love to hear more about why you disagree. Edit: To add, look at Jiri vs Pereira round 1. Alex had Jiri stumbling like a newborn deer with heavy calf kicks. Jiri landed like 2 elbows but almost all his GnP was stuffed by Alex's frames and overhooks. All judges scored it for Jiri. It seems that the successful takedown into half guard, then being able to posture up - that was an impactful enough position with fight ending potential to win Jiri the round in the eyes of those judges, despite the vast majority of his GnP being stuffed.
@wtfimcrying
@wtfimcrying 24 дня назад
@@coffeeortea547passing guard isnt an attack, its setting up a dominant position so you CAN attack.
@dylanwright9927
@dylanwright9927 24 дня назад
Yeah but cumulative is still scored, and Sean cumulates without getting hit too much. That’s his game.
@user-dj4wf8so8t
@user-dj4wf8so8t 24 дня назад
Yep, his problematic game.
@dylanwright9927
@dylanwright9927 24 дня назад
@@user-dj4wf8so8t I guess it’s problematic if the standard is Frye vs Takayama. Seems kinda dramatic to me tho. I agree he could afford to be more aggressive and put more mustard on some of his shots.
@JohnDoe-230
@JohnDoe-230 24 дня назад
​@@dylanwright9927those guys are really fun to watch. but let's not kid ourselves the way they fought was not anything close to a sweet science. Don't get me wrong toughness is vital for mma and should be valued. But skill should be more appreciated than just entertainment otherwise throw the gracies out of the UFC history books and let's just make it all slap fighting lol that's what some of these fans want.
@dylanwright9927
@dylanwright9927 24 дня назад
@@JohnDoe-230 💯
@RaymondMichaelBarrera
@RaymondMichaelBarrera 24 дня назад
With respect,you make great points about his style to a judges pov i get that. 🤔 I just will always love his style's personality. 🥊 It's so unique, like a combination of philly shell boxing, takedown defense,and muay thai. Very technical honestly. But i do get it, trust me. Great points, especially if it goes the distance and the judges are left to score it.
@hughes5510
@hughes5510 24 дня назад
Nice job explaining the scoring criteria
@LastRellik
@LastRellik 23 дня назад
Great analysis man your channel is super underrated
@klaysumpson9724
@klaysumpson9724 23 дня назад
Look at this way, Strickland so good he make good strikers look stupid
@heresthethingyouguys
@heresthethingyouguys 24 дня назад
Did Flukas already sign the contract?
@ricktheslick6926
@ricktheslick6926 23 дня назад
"WERE GONNA BLEED FOR YOU GUYS" (25 mins of walking around)
@MaMa-rc4eo
@MaMa-rc4eo 24 дня назад
i think in muay thai a scoring criteria is aggressiveness. they should put more weight onto it imo.
@ihxtecutsy7239
@ihxtecutsy7239 24 дня назад
mauy thai scoring would negatively impact sean
@justryou419
@justryou419 24 дня назад
@@ihxtecutsy7239 how lol
@MaMa-rc4eo
@MaMa-rc4eo 23 дня назад
@@ihxtecutsy7239 why?
@EdgieAlias
@EdgieAlias 17 дней назад
​@@MaMa-rc4eobecause he uses his hands only. Strickland is a boxer, which means he's limiting his tools.
@MaMa-rc4eo
@MaMa-rc4eo 17 дней назад
@@EdgieAlias my suggestion was only to put more weight onto the criteria aggressiveness, not to use muay thai scoring
@DirkDiggler-ri4cw
@DirkDiggler-ri4cw 24 дня назад
I agree. - Dave Tirelli
@grapefruitsimmons
@grapefruitsimmons 24 дня назад
I thought it was a good fight, complete and utter domination.
@sebchan21
@sebchan21 23 дня назад
Big fan of your videos Che. Can you please share what Mic you use? I want to start making content myself and yours is the best I've heard.
@escre
@escre 16 дней назад
Sean is so measured with his aggression, and that's what really works. I want him to extend combos and chase more for excitement, but that leads to risk that could crumble his whole style.
@JackAntony1
@JackAntony1 24 дня назад
Strickland needs to start following through more after his jap. It might lower his defense but he will be so much more interesting
@alexpointon784
@alexpointon784 20 дней назад
You have to also consider that Sean doesn't have the same power as Costa, DDP and Jared. He's built a style around his strengths, which can often allow him to out cardio bigger hitters. It's obviously not perfect, perhaps the next evolution is to add some more Power punches for the benefit of the judges, but he's never going to crack as hard as those guys.
@Ar1AnX1x
@Ar1AnX1x 24 дня назад
the hypocrisy of his fans to call Adelasagna boring but when Sean has his defensive style behind a jab, it's a genius masterclass
@laddrusso5243
@laddrusso5243 11 дней назад
It's cause he's blåçk
@fladagreat
@fladagreat 24 дня назад
Yes .. the critera is *effective* striking... But you say yourself Sean's tools are "super effective" at 7:10. Sean clearly got closer to finishing the fight with knockdowns.
@hollowpoint8261
@hollowpoint8261 24 дня назад
Came to say this. My man countered himself with his own argument
@oscardolan5626
@oscardolan5626 24 дня назад
che means effective as in good at what they set out to achieve, not good at 'putting the opponent in danger' like the criteria actually says
@MarDuBronx
@MarDuBronx 24 дня назад
There were no knockdowns, literally no knockdowns were counted. I think they realized weak jabs landing as you move back and a blocked head kick didn’t land concussive force on costa skull making his body fail on him but were probably caused by losing balance.
@clearlyalunhead1109
@clearlyalunhead1109 24 дня назад
They weren't counted as knockdowns cause Paulo just lost his balance/slipped
@fladagreat
@fladagreat 24 дня назад
@@oscardolan5626 Paulo Costa landed 28 strikes to the head compared to Sean's 104. The only area he had a lead in was leg strikes which obviously didn't affect Sean's ability to enact his game plan, nor did they "put him in danger". There's literally just no way you can say Sean was in "more danger"...
@LordKeram
@LordKeram 23 дня назад
Here's what you and many others get wrong tho. Yes it is stated in the judging criteria that immediate impact weighs more heavily than cumulative impact. But it does not say how much more. It seems to me like you and some others read that as if it was supposed to mean. If one fighter is winning the entire round, but the other scores a KO, the guy with the KO wins. I think anyone with a brain would say that's bollocks. But unfortunately some judges seemingly lack this understanding.
@wendysfriesready296
@wendysfriesready296 18 дней назад
Watching sean throwing spinning kicks boggles my mind
@iSOBigD
@iSOBigD 15 дней назад
Good points here. However, as far as getting close to winning, those little hits add up. At the end of his fight with Dricus, he looked fine and was standing between rounds and after the fight, while Dricus looked really beat up and could barely walk. However, Dricus opened him up once with a cut and suddenly it looked like he was winning purely based in the bleeding. A different cut man that would have stopped that bleeding could have completely turned the scoring around. It's pretty silly when that can happen despite one fighter clearly landing more hits, doing a lot more cumulative damage and leaving the fight looking normal instead of beat up.
@dude9038
@dude9038 22 дня назад
I think John Anik understands the scoring criteria, but he's too busy playing mediator between his knowledge and his 'big bro' buddies at the desk
@richcantgame
@richcantgame 24 дня назад
I know it’s the opposite of what you’re saying but the criteria is so bad that you could argue Sean has a good style for the criteria. “Effective” striking, jabbing and using teeps is the best way to keep pressure off you and stunt someone’s style. Would it not be effective striking on Sean’s part and ineffective on the opponents if he’s severely outpacing them and they aren’t landing big? Judging fights is a case by case thing so I want subjective opinions of well educated commentators and judges. Unfortunately they’re more than happy to give their opinion but it isn’t on the money.
@Vince968
@Vince968 23 дня назад
i found the fight to be enjoyable and a classic sean strickland boxing and pressure masterclass, regardless of how much people liked the fight... what should sean do? he marches people down, if they dont have a solution to that its on them. judges being crooked is not his fault either
@K.T.02
@K.T.02 15 дней назад
Saying Joe is a bad commentator is wild work I can’t watch a card without him dc and Jon.
@rileywalker3467
@rileywalker3467 23 дня назад
Stricklands style is good he got good defense he technical he's just boring to watch
@mindlessboreden
@mindlessboreden 10 дней назад
The thing too that I recently realized is the judge criteria is different state to state
@kelakogreenaddict1888
@kelakogreenaddict1888 15 дней назад
Tbf I remember sanko talking about diminishment of spirit being part of scoring, so she has read it, but I think she doesn’t wanna step on any toes
@bronstonmahelona7676
@bronstonmahelona7676 24 дня назад
I enjoyed the fight. Sean put on a masterclass Paulo couldn’t figure him out
@thebatman-lr1sq
@thebatman-lr1sq 23 дня назад
yeah both of them were snooze fests
@demian2325
@demian2325 15 дней назад
What is massiveley flawed about this analysis is that the scoring doesn't say that ONE big shot is automatically more important than ALL the cumulative shots/jabs. It just says you should weigh them MORE. Thinking about this, this is actually massively open to interpretation, but I think everybody agrees that 1 big shot does not outweigh 5 minutes of being out jabbed.
@hotsingleplaguedoctorinarea
@hotsingleplaguedoctorinarea 17 дней назад
Keep in mind throwing kicks against Sean is easier said than done. Sean loves his marching knees as teep feints precisely because he's looking to punish any potential round kick with a teep. A linear strike will pretty much always beat a rounded one, which is why teeps are extremely effective in Muay Thai - and as with all things that are effective in parent combat sports - practically non-existent in MMA save for one guy using it here and there.
@alexjohansen1337
@alexjohansen1337 21 день назад
i honestly really enjoy the way strickland fights, i find it super interesting BUT it does feel like he needs to add more to it. UFCs best defence, and hes not a strict counterpuncher like izzy so he can actually force his opponents to throw, or use ringcraft to push them into a corner. Hes amazing at creating positions of huge advantage against his opponents....... but then he doesnt fucking nothing with it. strickland with some killer instinct is the mythical fighter i dream of
@atyomommashouse9881
@atyomommashouse9881 23 дня назад
This is a pretty wild take to be honest,the reason why the teep works is because Sean also has superior boxing. Sean is perfectly willing to stand in the middle if the opponent obliges we have seen that happen but if they do so without takedowns they will take a ton of damage that's why they don't do it. Dricus had the takedown threat without that Sean would have beat him too.
@extracrispy9229
@extracrispy9229 24 дня назад
To everyone defending Strickland right now saying “he’s so technical” “he was just fighting smart” “it takes two to tango it’s on his opponent to bring the fight to him”. Understand that all the things you’re saying are the EXACT same things people said to defend Izzy when he had boring fights. Also just because he was walking forward instead of backwards doesn’t really mean anything; people can be effective and high output doing either. I’m not saying costa was blameless but come on guys keep the same energy with fighters you like as you do with fighters you hate.
@americkseowdevries1443
@americkseowdevries1443 24 дня назад
Sean owns up when his fights aren't entertaining. Izzy got criticized for being boring and he got sensitive about it. Remember the Chris Pratt stuff.
@extracrispy9229
@extracrispy9229 24 дня назад
@@americkseowdevries1443 that’s fair I just don’t see why people are defending this fight so hard when Sean literally said in his post fight it was boring. Izzy was real defensive about those stinky ass performances; he had me mad as hell after the Romero fight every time I talk my family into watching a card with me it ends up sucking.
@aceambling7685
@aceambling7685 24 дня назад
Sean always goes forward, Izzy always goes backward. Its that simple.
@OK-yy6qz
@OK-yy6qz 24 дня назад
​​​​@@americkseowdevries1443 Izzy didn't come out of his fights saying he's going to kill his opponent,or "I'll bleed for you" though. And a lot of his fights were actually entertaining. He TKO Costa,he Knocked out Pereira of all people,he TKO Whitaker,he had a war with Gastelum. Strickland fights are never entertaining unless he's losing (at least in the typical sense, there's a lot to appreciate in the technical aspect both from Izzy and Strickland).and he always just tries to act like this mad dog in social media and interviews Hell Izzy went up a division and Fought Jan when his own division was getting stale,not to mention going out of his way to bring his Kickboxing rival to the UFC he actually tries his best to be entertaining in the UFC. Strickland's only entertainment value for his fans is talking like an edgy 16 year old with unrestricted internet access.
@l1qu1dm3t4lIV
@l1qu1dm3t4lIV 22 дня назад
I was sure hoping you'd have picked up on the fact that a lot of Sean's shots were straight-up whiffs.. I remember watching the highlights at the end and all the shots were blocked or parried; the biggest highlight was the equivalent to booping Costas nose.. Even the announcers got quiet, which is funny, cause Rogan was riding Sean's nuts all night.
@JapaneseAmericanaJiuJitsu
@JapaneseAmericanaJiuJitsu 19 дней назад
Why the hell is suddenly a fighter that shut downs another fighter gameplan boring? Hats off to Sean shutting down Costa game
@duisburg4740
@duisburg4740 17 дней назад
If you want win, it's the best strategy If you want entertain, then not
@ashtonk3144
@ashtonk3144 22 дня назад
Im glad you used the Olivera fight as an example. I had him winning based on how it should be judged
@davkirk8741
@davkirk8741 18 дней назад
I did like that 30 second Enter The Dragon 🐉 kickfest from Sean last round tho ☝️
@rocketpigrecords3719
@rocketpigrecords3719 6 дней назад
Sean has a lot, but what he doesn't seem to have is stopping power. Someone willing to see that, with a good chin, willing to eat the jab to counter with a Roy Nelson overhand, could prove to be a problem. If you're going to let the judges decide the fight, you better give them what they want to see.
@Thepunisher90thGaming
@Thepunisher90thGaming 24 дня назад
Dave Tireli- 👀 Costa clearly won the fight.
@alexknudsen2759
@alexknudsen2759 19 дней назад
It is absolutely ridiculous that 1 shot, that obviously doesn't damage Sean because he just continues to beat the guy for the entire round, gives the other guy the round. That doesn't make sense in any context. If you hit the guy hard but the guy just shrugs it off and keeps punching you in the face for 3 more minutes, then your 1 punch didn't do anything.
@Mzhbk
@Mzhbk 15 дней назад
I wouldn’t call any of Strickland’s defense necessarily good. It “works” bc middleweight is a weak division and it doesn’t even always work. He leans back at the waist with his upper body behind his legs, stands straight up, reaches down to parry, plods his feet, and much more
@lasse9553
@lasse9553 24 дня назад
Che and Bedtime on the rise, Guru needs company
@kpacf
@kpacf 23 дня назад
Strickland literally looked like he just wanted to spar. No combinations or rights
@ThreeBZ
@ThreeBZ 23 дня назад
Crazy Sean never let his hands go ..but he still dominated the fight.. Costa couldn't get any offense going..Sean dropped him 3 times..it wasn't exciting but why is everyone freaking out ..this is every Strickland fight
@sethdilbeck1999
@sethdilbeck1999 15 дней назад
4:45 keep that same energy for dana too he had similar words as rogan in his post fight interview
@justinlovette1331
@justinlovette1331 18 дней назад
If a fighter keeps trying to set something up, and doesn’t throw it, maybe, just maybe, Costa doesn’t like something he’s seeing from Sean’s defense? Costa said he’s going out to Vegas to train with Sean, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Sean completely confused Paulo so much so that he’s gotta go figure out what the hell he’s doing with that wild footwork. While Sean’s style doesn’t work for you and me, it CLEARLY works for him 😂
@scrubarmy
@scrubarmy 18 дней назад
Bro just said Joe Rogan and DC don’t know what they’re doing lmao
@PedroMadureira25
@PedroMadureira25 19 дней назад
i liked the fight. I enjoy sean strickland style.
@roninsavage6614
@roninsavage6614 22 дня назад
So costa put him in more danger by missing a hit the had potential to do damage..that is a very dumb..
@andresgonzalez-gm5ry
@andresgonzalez-gm5ry 23 дня назад
we need AI to score the fights using all the scoring criteria as parameters and full 360 high precision cameras.. Maybe it won't replace judges (yet) but it might give us a second "look" that is more objective
@stephenmietz4562
@stephenmietz4562 23 дня назад
The Reaper vs Strickland ? Who would win ?
@ayaanmirza1677
@ayaanmirza1677 5 дней назад
Sean is amazing but he needs to be more aggressive, especially when he can tell that his opponent is not throwing back as much. He couldve easily TKO'ed costa in the 4 and 5th round but he kept walking forward and jabbing
@christaylor8337
@christaylor8337 23 дня назад
Strickland himself acknowledges that if you send it to the judges you are on your own. He won a title and is now getting ready to fight for another one. His style clearly works. It works better than Cannonier, who, on paper, actually deserves and deserved the title shot over Strickland. Both are company men. So where's the convo on Cannonier's style?
@icecoldfire25
@icecoldfire25 24 дня назад
By the criteria oliveira beat arman ez then
@Crazymachin3gun
@Crazymachin3gun 24 дня назад
I think the judge has dyslexia or mixed the names of the fighters up
@Nighthawk-vk8xn
@Nighthawk-vk8xn 23 дня назад
Joe rogan talks out his ass 90% of the time
@EdgieAlias
@EdgieAlias 17 дней назад
Too low a percentage
@ColoradoForestBeings
@ColoradoForestBeings 10 дней назад
Na I don’t agree that it looked like Costa was doing anything to finish the fight
@mevai
@mevai 17 дней назад
😂😂😂still on the ddp strickland fight bro those judges were on dmt
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