The Shameless EXTORTION in Mobile Gaming 

I see you playing Outriders. Looking forward to your take on the state of the game.

Unforunatly nobody cares. The people who are powerful enough to stop it are most likely on the take

Saying that is just the whales is kind of a lie. That is why all this people think is fine as long as they spend 150 and not 10000. No, the millions that spend 150 also enable them. If all this millions spend zero then they would have a hard time keeping their microtransaction models going with the few big whales alone.

This is NOT the first time I've seen extorsion by chinese publishers. I played with some freemium flash game for a while in 2010 where a few people really did cheat to get ahead and the supposedly american branch of the company was taking orders from the main chinese company to punish the whole server, demanding tens of thousands of dollars to unfreeze accounts. IIRC it was Heroes of Kung Fu, and all info about it since has been scrubbed.

A lot of games are made to be digital crack.

I mean, they sold rare loot packs on the black market, this would be a small step foward.

Players: So you have chosen death.

Now i have anxiety for the upcoming battlefield after they announced it it will have a mobile app

EA would probably do something like this through a black market, like pay someone to hack an account and then have them ransom it back to the owner or they'd get it banned. EA can't hide behind the CCP to cover their ass if they did something like this in any official on the books capacity and they are just barely smart enough to understand that tanking their reputation repeatedly like they have been doing can and will bite them in the ass they've acknowledged as much in some of their, I believe it was a report back to the stockholders regarding strategy that I read it from I can't remember exactly but I know they officially acknowledged at least internally that their bad reputation is a problem so they would want to make it an off the books venture to maintain plausible deniability, from both a criminal liability and public perception standpoint.

Can't imagine how many thousand euros I'd have to "repay" for getting cartel coins off referrals in swtor. xD

There are some gems. But many mobile games are really predatory or just boring.

Lol that's a fortunate typo given this subject

Like ne0n there are some good ones, ironically I think one of the best mobile games I've seen is OpenMicrowave, which is just Morrowind in fan made engine. (you do need to have Morrowind to copy the game files into the app though for obvious legal reason) Could proababbly even do a multiplayer game or even a new game using the engine, since you can do so with the PC version of OpenMorrowind.

@@edit3891 to find these kind of gems, you need to know its exist on it. The store it self revolve around those scammy lies. You cant trust its reveiw system, recomendation, rating, etc. If you dont know what you searching for in those store, you will only be guided to those scam game.

Three or so years ago, @@ne0ns0wl46, I stopped playing I Got Game's Castle Clash mobile game. For two or three years prior Castle Clash was actually a pretty darn fun and good game. It had a healthy player base on multiple platforms. For the longest time we F2Pers could up to easily contend with even the best P2Wers. This entirely depended on how well you played Castle Clash. Unfortunately IGG became increasingly more greedy after a certain point. We F2Pers began to steadily lose to each other and especially the P2Wers. I persevered though. At least for a long time anyways. Mostly because I had been with the 5150Army guild for about two years by the time I had quit the game. Fantastic guild overall. When IGG began to move away from being fair to pretty much everyone to a more money-centric business model alot of us in-game and on the Castle Clash forum were increasingly more dissatisfied. For some months before I finally quit the game you literally had to spend a minimum of twenty dollars *daily* just to maintain some sort of in-game fighting edge. This IGG move was contradictory to how IGG originally managed their Castle Clash property. I am fairly certain my guild, 5150Army, was a huge reason why IGG went their money-centric route. The original IGG route for Castle Clash was to make your account as OP as possible with the smallest number of Might you could muster. My guild, we very seriously prided ourselves on this in-game strategy. Even we F2Pers could up to easily compete with some of the top P2Wer guilds in all of Castle Clash. I finally decided to quit the game after IGG gave Pets to the Pets. Yes, it is as stupid as it sounds for the idea. It was extremely lucrative for IGG who stayed behind to still play the game. By this point in time I was legitimately about to throw my smartphone through as many walls, floors, ceilings, what have you just to make the agony cease. I did not want to stop playing Castle Clash because I did not want to let down my guildmates. I originally started to look for a new mobile game to play. Unfortunately, by this point in time I could not find any mobile games that did not follow IGG's business model in any sort of way or ways. Since then I have not played any mobile games. I find it it to be much too heartwrenching and breaking to play any mobile games.

"That extortion."

What is that link?

It’s like a Nigerian prince developed this.

@@RobTheDoodler "Please kindly note it" more like an Indian Raj.

Oh my shit! You actually discovered the secrets of that extortion for mobile phone gaming!

Nah, Game of War, well before both of those two.

Toon Blast be hiding.

Angry Birds as well but that game wasn't so bad, the monetization was more like expansions which is fine. I don't spend money on games anymore, the sickness that's developed in the industry over the last decade or so has me feeling completely numb to any hype for upcoming games. It seems to me I'm always asking myself now-a-days whenever I see a new game, I temporarily almost feel hopeful that it'll be good but wonder what the catch will be that ruins the experience. There's a few great games every once in a while that genuinely strive to deliver the best experience the developers could manage to envision within the creative limits that the tech could allow but I know video games are art, not just monetary scams that depict art, so as long as passionate individuals can see the potential in their visions of an experience like no other, then we will get great games no matter what happens we may just have to wait longer between releases. xP

@@shadow_psych7069 Angry Birds never sold loot crates. IIRC they only sold level packs and then later versions of the game. Far from expositive like Farmville's paying for crops to complete that would normally take days/weeks...

@@shadow_psych7069 Couldn't agree with your comment more, because of all of this monetisation I too no longer get excited for upcoming games or consoles. I'm now constantly wary and pessimistic about games and the industry in general. Gaming was my childhood passion, one I wanted to share with my daughter as she gets older but now I see how every company, even good ole wholesome Nintendo target children and psychologically manipulate them to spend, spend, spend. Its a control that stays with kids well into adulthood and gets them addicted to gambling mechanics. I just can't do that to my kids and so now, I can't share with them an activity I once held so dear. I'll never be able to get excited for a videogame ever again and that just sucks. Fuck this industry and its never ending greed.

Of course they do. As with any $Million+ Chinese company, the whole Chinese government probably has their back. They know from experience that western companies, ie Google, don't want to ruffle their feathers and disrupt the lucrative Chinese market. And therefore western customers have absolutely no recourse. You can't take a Chinese company to court if you're a single user. And I'm not a lawyer but I very much doubt that even a class action would reach that far.

Without a doubt. It is a Chinese company after all. It’s like SOP for them...

@@XHackManiacX Consumers can't take this company to court if it is based in China but they can still try to force take Google to court if it refuses to remove a company extorting players. They can make the courts force Google to remove the games of this company.

This sure looks like an intentional “bug” than an accidental one!

Dude, they're Chinese, of course they intended it.

I know a time before when gamers laughed about to spend money for ingame items and forced always online games as a joke . You bought a full game and got full content and gameplay from the start ... till the Horse armor DLC-Madness happened . .... man ... im old ....

@@Snyperwolf91 Not enough of us realized what horse armour really meant for the industry.

@@Snyperwolf91 Paid content was introduced way earlier. You have the original Sims which sold expansions before being a complete pack. The Sims 2 as well. Then you have Devil May Cry 3 on PS2 that had a special edition. Same thing happened with Silent Hill 2, introducing the Director's Cut. A couple of original Xbox games had DLC even though it was "free". They were already experimenting with this, Bethesda took it a step further by using an ingame item instead of an actual expansion.

Most mocked and shunned those trying to warn ya. A vast majority did. WIth shit excuses like its their money they can spend it on what they want. i miss the 90s and early 00s before mainstream dipshits ruined it.

That's complete bullshit, people figured out that mobile was good for whaling very quickly.

Yup

We'll make it green if we have too

Yes, this floor appears to be made of floor.

😹😹

... ACTUALLY!.... Jk lol.

Checks out

@@aogote most major corps suck, no matter what country they’re from.

*surprised pukachi (a Chinese pikachu knock off)*

Look up Genshin impact. Another growing popular chinese game as well.

Checks out yeah, fck these people

I know this for myself as a retro gamer. I'm sick of gacha, broken, unfinished games. GaaS and mobile games destroyed this industry.

and thats why i have hacked my consoles so i can play full fledge games

@@johndoe8442 Well, this is quite common knowledge in the far east

Only the delusional personas, who actually believe that infinite growth is possible, leave the ship. Until they're still on board, vile practices like these will be a thing.

I have never heard something more stupid and I don't think you were alive during the 70ies or eighties. There was tons and tons of garbage games and no internet to find out what was good.

So no buying games on steam or buying a Netflix subscription or Paying my electric bill, this is one slippery slope.

@@ICELAG3 Buy physical copies of games whenever possible. Netflix and the electric bill are services and you pay for that service. A new skin for a character in a game is not a service or a physical item with inherent value. Dont be stupid.

What about the majority of indie games? Most indie developers can’t afford to get a physical release (yes I know SOME of them do, but the majority of them don’t).

@@josephkeen7224 those games actually have soul

@@yourself1210 the thing is the comment made by humanity not found was referring to digital goods in general.

It’s the fact that they’re not a US based company so legal action can’t be taken

One word: CHINA

Look for indie games. They’re where all the soul went. Not most AAA publisher games.

@@benjaminpeterson455 - No AAA publisher or developer is any good. All have fallen from grace. Look at the last, best hope, CDPR and how they screwed up CP2077.

@@ahmataevo Nintendo still makes quality titles. Not defending what they have been doing as of late, (The Big House, 3-D All stars) but at least you still get your money’s worth with them.

Exactly

@@johndoe8442 Hm... should start taxing their American partners over here more to discourage that kind of a business.

@@johndoe8442 Unfortunately, it's a nation of serial spenders.

@@Gakusangi yeah but corporate America is just as greedy as corporate china, we just have laws and regulations. In the end American companies will turn a blind eye if they can continue business in china since the Chinese are huge spenders in gaming industry.

@@VainSick and as I said, if they want Chinese dollars they can pay higher fees here for it XD

If you can't get the company just sue the app store itself

Guilt by association...really? There are people who attended that talk to relay the tactics to politicians who would later go on to attempt to ban said practices, but hey...guilty because PBBT

@@DxBlack you know what he means, he is referring to those who went to learn how to make money and not art.

@@DxBlack you aren’t stupid don’t act like you can’t decipher his meaning without getting worked up over some twisted narrative you spun into such a simple statement.

People that actually thought it was about whaling must have been pissed

Your time to shine then! 😆

Or maybe he could go after pornhub. You know, the company that has been caught hosting CP and revenge porn and rape videos then shrugging and saying “not our bad.” I think that’s a lot worse than this though.

@@JoshuaJacobs83. Even though your probably right, watabout-ism is not an argument for not doing something...

@@divisiona3974 You’re right.

@@JoshuaJacobs83 it’s not allowed on their site, and curating a catalog of user generated content that big requires time and money, not to mention users will continue to pop up uploading that garbage, that shit is even on RU-vid dude.

Very good point. Applies more broadly as well

Though granted, modern Copyright law can go and F*** itself.

American games also do this.

I found a chinese app but mod apked to bypass grind, one scenario in the conquest mode is, hilariously plays as the chinese rebel breakawah state (taiwan) and retake the entirety of china back.

@@lbc02gaming99 Please provide an example.

Until they update the game and now it's full of ads and they ask you to pay again to remove them

Back when I was still playing I Got Game's Castle Clash this was a very rare incident. For such incidents IGG's Customer Support was actually pretty good at helping you out. Since I quit the game three or so years ago I do not know how IGG is operating their Customer Support side anymore.

I saw something similar with a flash MMO in 2010 called Heroes of Kung Fu, a very few people really did cheat but the supposedly american branch took orders from mainland china, and demanded tens of thousands of dollars to unban accounts, more than the actual cheaters, in addition to punishing the whole server.

Same.

Yeh,

Except I do not think this was a mistake, it smells of intent from the start. A way to boost sales from players that did not spend sufficient in the eyes of the company.

turning players into hostages....... hmmmm

"Looks like it got banned because we reported it."*

Well when they're at start breaking the law you can start getting the companies here in trouble as well if nothing else

It should be, man. But please, the language.

Hero Wars has some cool new ads, but are they made by the company that made Hero Wars? Or did they steal those new animated adverts?

Agreeing with anime dude's sentiment and doing the same.

Putting replies to the comments to do the same. :)

Well, people are weak these days.

Sunk cost fallacy is one hell of a drug...

I did quit I was one of there victims, Now I only Join new Servers in games to warn new players who Recently down loaded wild frontier, to not trust the developers and why ..

Within the same year I quit playing IGG's Castle Clash an increasing number of RU-vid videos showing the true opinions and beliefs these same developers including IGG thought of their customer base really influenced me to quit Castle Clash and to stop looking for a Castle Clash replacement mobile game. It was intensely soul crushing to me to find out that I am not a living breathing human being to these people, but just a stack of money to them. The only thing that has been making me glad about any of this crap is the entire video game industry has been slowly collapsing for years now. I will be ecstatic when the entire video game industry totally collapses.

over a grand a month? oooooooooooof

Holy cow! Gambling anonymous?

Dude. 😕 genuinely needs psychiatric intervention. Immediately. That's awful, I'm so sorry for you.

@@jsfyxzuf117 We make plenty... but that amount is stupid. We could build her 2 ridiculous gaming riggs at scalper prices for that.

@Slush hear hear, on all points. 🍻 It doesnt matter if you make a million a week, that kind of impulse spending is a clear sign of a genuine psych issue that needs immediate attention. It's addiction. It's really no different from people who get hooked on painkillers: yes they may have pain which needs to be treated, but shooting up opiates 24/7 just isnt healthy. Yes you may be able to afford it.... now... but what about when you cant? And you still dont have impulse control or a handle on your addiction? There are so many stories and so many studies of people who fell into that *exact* trap. It's tragic. And it needs to be treated and helped. Hell that's why I'm not shaming the wife: I was a smoker for a decade and went cold turkey. I know how bad addiction can feel. But I also know first hand that with training and help, self-discilpline can win over any cravings. It's just a matter of willpower. And a little kindness couldnt hurt either.

Sorry but a gaming journalist would be doing level 1 stuff then complaining about how hard the game is.

That’s just it. They don’t want their money invested to become meaningless, so they spend more. It’s the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

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