Why these people are so calm? Because they know another clean and modern train is coming in less than several minutes. Always on time. Calmness is a sign of confidence. And confidence comes from consistent high expectation and delivery, of oneself and of the society.
from nothing to this amazing subway in only 20 years!!!!! that's incredible...and so much clean....!!!! thank you for sharing !!!i would like to go to Shanghai.... and hong Kong too !!!! greets from France !!!!
Yes you should check out Hong Kong. The subway system is almost 50 years old and its holding strong. There is the standard subway from the 70s and the Tung Chung, airport, Disneyland line from the 90s.
+King Yu thanks so much...i'll go to check out the subway but if one day i go to Hong Kong i would like to visit the town from the first deck of the legendary tramway....
Yes. At early years without those half or full size screen door, I could hear the terrible news about people dropped to the tunnel(suicide / pushed) very often. But now, I haven't heard that for many years.
I stay in Europe for 8 years, and have visited more than 100 cities, so far the better and more convenient metro I met is Stockholm, S-Bahn and RE connection in Ruhr area of Germany and S+U Bahn in Berlin-Brandenburg, Shanghai is better than most of the rest. BTW, I saw Aurora in Kiruna, Abisko and Narvik. You Profile photo is cool.
The reason why it still takes a longer time after the door closes is that part of the line 2 station is curved rather than a straight line, thus a full height platform scene door is not able to be bulit. The door in this video requires a manual operation and double check by train captain and station staff to make sure no one/obejct is trapped.{for all stations]
+AllRequired It's very difficult to modernize a station built in 1904 to the level of another built in the 90s. The available space is not the same, modern ones have much more open space. It's very expensive and you would need to close the entire line. Try to close a subway line that serves 500k/800k passengers daily. Good luck with that.
Charles M Thats why the US is expected to decline, there are more and more people here in the States like you, can't take criticism. Kids in China are indeed better taken cared of than American kids. At least they don't have drug problem and school shootings like we do here.
Then it is smart, isn't it? Train jumpers causes HUGE delays.. I get pissed off every time when that happens because I have to add another 1 hour to my 2 hour journey from home to university (and vice versa) here in the Netherlands.
Agree with comment below re: comparison to MTA. Shanghai subway is among the best managed system I've encountered and puts NY Transit to shame in all respects including behavior of passengers!
Which media? Whatever media it is, do not believe it. I have used both systems. NYC MTA is old, dirty and decrepit and passenger behavior is often deplorable. Shanghai subway is the complete opposite. This is coming from a native New Yorker.
Yeah we have the same problem with our trains here in NZ. 5-10secs to complete some stupid computer routine every time the train wants to leave a station. It's just a massive slowdown on an otherwise good system.
You guys don't have metros though, you have the same shitty commuter heavy rail trains just like New York, Sydney and the rest of America and Australia.
Shanghai Metro feels VERY reminiscent of Hong Kong's highly rated MTR system - from station design, platform arrangement to overall design theme. Given Shanghai's population density which is similar to Hong Kong, it probably is a good idea to model it after MTR if this was the case.
Shanghais metro is my favorite by far. It's much much better than Londons subway or New York's for that matter. It's clean, fast, and efficient. The only down slide of it is traveling during rush hour.
The train in wuhan are usually powered by the third rail. The crowded Beijing Subway line 13 and Beijing Airport Line also use the third rails. There is no regulation that restrict which technic should be used.
All train drivers in PRC/ROC/Japan have to obey Pointing and Calling to prevent errors, and this is why it takes a long time for the train to depart. The driver have to leave the driver's room to monitor the closing doors, and later he or she has to return to the driver's room, pointing at signals and marks. This process often takes nearly 12-15 seconds. In some cities, the start of ATO system also takes 3-4 seconds. This makes the train idling before departure. But in JR or some other train companies, there is a conductor at the end of the train, so the conductor can handle the doors while the driver is checking the signals and marks. The conductor can help the train to depart immediately after its doors closed.
It's a beautiful system. I love how new it is. It's unfortunate the New York subway can't have the outside walls and doors for safety and less noise. The trains in the New York subway come in different sizes and so they can't all fit if they put automatic doors in the stations.
Great video. I have noticed long dwelling time at stations (I mean door opening/closing/arrival/departure process) is indeed very long compared to other metro systems. This applies not only to Shanghai but other Chinese cities (Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen). To my understanding this is due to the fact that the driver must leave the cabin at every stop and visually observe the platform before departing. All about safety and extra steps to achieve it. Not sure if this is really necessary though. It will certainly have to change in the future. At the moment about 15 to 20 seconds in total are wasted at each station (by wasted I mean extra time it takes compared to other countries' metro systems) . So if you go 10 stops you'll be wasting about 2.5 minutes. If 20 stops then it's 5 minutes. Not really a big deal but again this doesn't happen elsewhere and there is no reason it has to happen in China.
urban dweller Indeed. Way too long. Either have an external camera for the driver to look at or a guard who can do this quicker and then let the driver know by means of an on-board communication system.
I'm pretty sure they have both. Don't think any modern metro trains come without cameras and comms. Seems to be a formal procedure that they must follow for some odd reason.
Hi, the 10s waiting time is actually invented by a research team at my undergrad university. Most Chinese subway systems have platform doors to prevent falling during rush hours and other accidents, but this also created a gap between the train doors and the platform doors. It happened before that someone/something(luggage, umbrella) got stuck in this narrow space. So we added sensors to both the two doors and they will automatically reopen if there is anything unexpected. Also, we added a vertical light belt to "cover" the gap at the end of the platform. The driver needs to check from the other end to see if the light belt is complete(which means nothing got stuck in the gap) because anything between the gap will partially block the light belt, and that is what the 10s is for. In addition, if the waiting time is significantly longer, it may be the case that there is another train in the next station. For cities like Shanghai, the interarrival time between trains can be as short as 70sec, so sometimes that happens.
Beijing subway operated in 1969, Shanghai Subway operated in 1993. But right now Shanghai subway already longest in the world. The second longest is Beijing subway. Also Beijing subway changed the old line 1, 2, 13, and added the slide barrier door
I remember how some systems in China played this really long message on the platform when the train starts lo leave about transfers to local bus routes, attractions, and advice for passengers.
It is indeed slow without express services but the acceleration is much higher. Some old lines without express services are usually complemented with newer projects of "express lines"
As a local who lived in Shanghai for 10 years, line 10 is the most clean line, and line 8 is the busiest line because it directly arrive at People's Square(shopping centre).
I’m from Mainland China in Beijing and it’s pretty odd how people still don’t get the whole out first in second thing. Rush hour’s a mess on the way. Shanghai seems to be handled better though.
No matter compared to other countries, other Chinese cities or other Shanghai lines: line 2 has absolutely the longest most annoying door open and close wait I’ve used.
Fun fact, they install full height gates mainly to save energy, preventing air conditioned cool air to enter the tunnel. So you can see the old stations and on ground stations without air conditioning use half height gates.
saxson911 The system hasn’t gotten an upgrade in a very long time. It’s, I believe, a lack of increased funding to accommodate the increased popularity and ridership on the metro.
saxson911 Jealous Westerners will find every convenient laughable excuse to dismiss China's achievements, since they know their freedom-laden democracies won't and can't provide useful public goods.
Considering the history, line 3 should be the oldest. In 19th century, the British built a railway in north Shanghai which became the origin of the north part of the line. The south part of Line 3 is also built on one of the Chinese oldest inter-city railways, the Shanghai-Ningbo Railway and when the new S-N railway opened up, the old line that the Line 3 is currently using was abandoned. In order to make everything be used, let’s build a subway!🤪
Chinese people are so loud.... this is an impression in my mind before I come here in China to study...😂😂 but you know what??? When I come here, me and my friend are talking way more louder than Chinese haahaa.
Hi Elam, I think so. Though, I bought a multi-day pass, which I believe was not available from the machines, but I could get it from a ticketing agent (who spoke some rudimentary english).
Elam Daly i was able to buy a 24 hour ticket in shanghai at a ticket window------in shanghai i did find the whole metro system slower because of the door opening closing process took a long time.
I was in Shanghai last year, a large system but pretty easy to use. But the dwell time in the stations as you mention seem long. It takes a bit after the train stops before the doors open, then then even after the doors are closed it would take forever before the train would depart. Not sure why this was. Even when the were platform guards waving the train as clear (which seem odd with platform doors), it would still take forever. They could have higher frequencies with faster service if they would cut the dwell times... But still a nice system overall...
Very good. In the newer shanghai metro trains like line 15, line 14, line 18, and some trains on line 10 and 8 have less idle time before departure and doors opening and closing due to the automatic control system. Line 17 is a bit older and doesn't have the automatic system but the idle time is less.
+igrenade I agree there's a lot of stuff the MTA can look up to improve. But if MTA ever charges the subway the same fare as the London Underground there's going to be a riot.
To your text on 2:45 : On the Line 2, the driver have to go out of his cabin and have to open/close the platform gates manually. On all other Lines (in the underground) are Full-Size Platform Gates, which open/close automatically.
I am compiling a video of railroad networks across Asia. I have not had a chance to film this system and was wondering if I could use 30 seconds of your footage? I would be more than happy to list your channel as credits under the description once I put out the video. :)
The subway of ShanghaI seems quite different from that of Seoul. Seoul metro is kind of too fast while Shanghai metro seems too slow. Neither do I like, though :( , I personally think the middle range of waiting time of subway between Seoul and Shanghai would be a perfect choice :D Shanghai metro seems quite clean and automated just like Seoul metro, Good for Asia! Greetings from Seoul, South Korea!
I think the speed between both are not too much different, but the gap between 2 stations in Seoul is less than that in Shanghai, that what I felt when I travel in seoul , I can even walk from on to another station in a few mins.
Liang Liang Haha.. yes.. In fact, that culture was usually made in the 20th century when Korea was in crisis historically, and the 빨리빨리 culture contributed to making Korea a developed country in such a short time as well. However, actually there are many problems made by the culture related to mistakes in Korea as well. (Too fast speed sometimes makes work imperfect you know :D)But one thing is good for sure, the fast delivery service everywhere in Korea :D. I've heard that there is kind of 'Manmandi' culture (slow but patient) in China. It's kind of interesting that there are such different cultures in both countries located very nearby each other and sharing lots of similar cultures (except for that one). :) Actually, I'm planning to visit Taiwan, Shanghai and Beijing this summer (first time to visit China) and I think it would be a quite fresh experience for me.:)
That was excellent. Your captions are very helpful. Those line 3 cars look very long with five doors on each. Is the rolling stock similar on each line? It was odd that the screen barriers on some platforms were deactivated. Also on the platforms with full height barriers they were synchronised with the train doors. That long dwell time will surely be fixed if the need to increase service levels.
Me upon seeing pictures of Shanghai metro: who tf needs such large and fancy stations? Me upon visiting Shanghai: Shanghai metro system needs bigger stations
Would love you to do a video of Hong Kong MTR in the future. It really is one of the best in the world. I rank it and London Underground as the best metro in the world
It think it is unfair to compare the subway in NYC and Shanghai. The subway was built much earlier. But I am still proud of what Shanghai have done these years. Love my hometown.
In India we are building new metro lines in Mumbai city. I hope its standard is similar to the Beijing metro line. The metro stations in India are very dull in appearance compare to stations from East Asian countries. Not quite sure what is missing.
In 11:27 a woman rushed towards the closing doors and actually crossed the screen doors. The safety regulation demands drivers to look and point at the platform directly or look at monitors, and I'm pretty curious about why the driver did not open the door again for the risk that the woman may stuck in the train doors. Pointing and Calling, a system that every train driver in China have to obey, should have prevented things like this from happening.
A bit odd to see full platform screen doors on the oldest line, but for the 2nd oldest line (line 2) and line 3,4, they don't have full screen doors, that quite strange
Wahnsinn! Auch der Sound der Fahrzeuge. Sehe ich das richtig, dass an einzelnen Stationen die Türen von den Stationen offen sind? Wenn ja, warum? Welche Linien sind denn Führerlos? Grüße aus Dresden.
Ja die Shanghai Subway ist schon ziemlich beeindruckend. Ich glaube dass an den Stationen, an denen die Barrieren noch offen sind, diese erst neu installiert sind und daher noch nicht in Betrieb sind. Aber sicher bin ich mir da nicht. Führerlose Linien habe ich nicht gesehen. Bei allen Zügen war ein Fahrer im Führerstand, der auch den Zug von Hand abgefertigt hat. Da die Züge oftmals relativ ungenau an den Türen halten, gehe ich davon aus dass sie manuell gefahren werden. ;-)
Danke für die Antwort! Habe auf DSO grade nachgelesen, dass auch viel mit Hand und Optik abgefertigt wird. Dann wird es auch verständlich, dass man etwas länger braucht zum Anfahren. Das erklärt sich auch, dass der Fahrer beim Zug der Linie 3 seinen Halt nachkorrigiert hat. Danke für dieses tolle Video und freue mich auf weitere solcher Videos, die an immer mehr an Qualität gewinnen. Grüßenaus Dresden.
Warning to travelers: You should never, ever, ever, ever go on the Shanghai subway at *peak times* (rush hour) unless absolutely necessary. There's a literal sea of people. People often debate about which lines are the most crowded, but as of my experience the worst are lines 2, 5, 9 and 16. AVOID. You will NOT be able to get in at 8 o'clock, especially at a station like People's Square. And even if you get in, you will not be able to get out. 1, 6, and 8 close behind these four. The comparatively better ones are 10 and 13.
Had the pleasure of falling asleep and missing a changeover from the airport line and doing the round trip after a 14hr flight from Nairobi (no one bothered to wake up a black man 黑人). I ended up missing the last train to Wenzhou, getting a stomach upset and taking a bus to wenzhou where I was given a bed next to the toilet of the bus. I enjoyed the ride surprisingly 😂😂😂. Beijing people are more welcoming though... Shanghai surprised me everytime.🙄
+Ocean and every cities in China looks the same right? Honestly, what are the standard measurements of the subway system to be called "different" and "diverse", you're being highly subjective here
due to safety regulation in China, at every stop, an inspector have to visually observe the platform before departing to make sure everything is in good condition. i dont know if it is really nescessary but that is just a few step more to achieve safety .
Because the platform edge/screen doors are not interlocked with the signalling system and therefore cannot be synchronised with the train doors. Also line 2 is not fitted with them from the start, whereas line 1 has the screen doors as part of its design.
