The SHOCKING TRUTH Behind The Methodist Church Split... 

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Our church left the UMC over a year ago and we joined the Global Methodist Church. We saw what was coming and the Holy Spirit lead us to that decision. God has blessed us and continues to bless us with strong ministries. I pray that the remaining people in the UMC will wake up to God’s truth.

We got our building and since going global our congregation has grown. The spirit is moving in big ways in our little town.

We celebrated 1 yr anniversary of being free of UMC on Mar 31 Easter Sunday '24, it was glorious! Bible based, bible believing, bible preaching, there is no other way💜

Ive Grown Up Methodist but have recently converted to Lutheranism (for other reasons than the split), But its very sad what's happening to the Methodists. Many of my friends are Methodists and I truly feel for them. All I can say I we need you Jesus.

The issue of homosexuality was merely a symptom of a much larger problem. In 2019 the proposed revisions to the 2020 Social principles was more of an overhaul. It literally mirrored the United Nations 17 Sustainable Development Goals. The UMC abandoned Biblical values and adopted the UN's sliding scale of morality. The irony is, by aligning their values with that of the UN ,they aligned themselves with an organization who allowed six nations to sit on the Human Rights Council who had the death penalty for the crime of homosexuality! The UMC’s alignment with the UN put them at odds with the core principle they were willing to divide over! The truth is, the church has been infiltrated, and it’s not just happening in the UMC! This is happening globally and on many fronts. This is what Spiritual Warfare looks like!

My parents met in the Methodist church when they were very young and it has always been a strong part of my family life growing up in the 70’s and 80’s. Today the Methodist churches around me are almost empty. The last time I went there was only one child to walk forward for the Pastor children’s talk. I am now looking into being Orthodox. Their church is full to bursting and there are many young people, children and babies. It is like a different world.

There is no such thing as Progressive Christianity, it's just a way to do what you want and still say you worship God

The time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, for they have itchy ears and will accumulate many teachers to suit their own passions. This is apostacy.

I left my Methodist church because of a progressive pastor.

John Wesley would be rolling over in his grave, if he was still there.

Some of the Churches that wanted to leave, couldn't afford too... So there is still some amount left in the Church that disagree, but they are stuck. My understanding is that the conference also delayed getting the invitations to the African attendees, which prevented most of them from being able to attend... that is important b/c it is the African Churches that tend to be the most Conservative and would have voted against a change like this.

I was recruited to lead worship at a United Methodist Church many years ago. I live in Alabama and I attended a conservative church. My pastor told me that the denomination was arguing over this issue for over 40 years. I had to pick my jaw up off of the floor. I couldn't believe that the church allowed something like this to carry on for that long. Although that realization made me sick to my stomach, I couldn't deny that God had me there for a reason, so I stayed. At least the local church I was a part of did not support that sinful lifestyle. I would imagine if the Apostle Paul were alive and a part of that denomination, he would have settled the issue the moment it came up, and moved on. It was said to me, that the decision to split was only made possible because of our brothers and sisters that came to the conference from Africa. Had they not been there, we would have lost the vote. I eventually became a supply pastor for a small United Methodist Church, which was also conservative. I was trying to follow God's leading, which was why I was there, but the closer I came to becoming a licensed local pastor with that denomination, the less peace I had over it, so I ended up stepping down and joining another denomination.

The church I go to recently disaffiliated from this group and had to go to court for it for the reasons he explained such as property. God worked it out in our favor in court decision 🙌🏾 They have walked way from the faith, and the word of God.

This is the plumbline being set by the Lord Jesus...you Have hot or cold cant ride the fence

I was a member for 25 years. I saw it coming. So 2013, I left to a independent Bible Church. Best thing I did. I didn't want to be a part of it.

The problem of homosexuality in the UMC is because of a larger problem, that being the way they viewed The Scripture.

No sin, no need for a savior.

God bless and keep the remnant saints who fled from this rotting, apostate, reprobate system.

This is why Catholic Church doesn't wish for schism. We all are being challenged in these times by the world, praying for fellow Christians out there.

I've been a member of UMC for almost 40 (since birth). Our church is a little country church that runs very conservative. While at the conference level, huge changes are made, we hope to remain how we've always been. The sad thing is, we paid off our mortgage ten years ago. Now, if we attempt to leave the conference, we have to pay over $200,000 to them for an already paid for building. Our church is a huge member of our community as we run a pantry that serves many families. This hurts my heart so much! I've been so active in this church for so long, it's my second home...and I hate to think what may happen in the future.

I am a 65 year old man and have been a member of the UMC my whole life but not any more, I have left the church and was so upset that I wrote a 40 page response on why I will not affirm, support, or celebrate sin. God"s Word is true and just, not man's.

Find the church that teaches that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God. Maranatha!

Not allowing churches to leave is the thing that got me. God forbid them lose their money 😶

Ready To Harvest is one of the best channels on RU-vid! You’d think if those who are against their past stance of sanctity of marriage, they’d simply leave and start their own heretical denomination…but no, they push everyone else out.

Romans 1:22. Professing themselves to be wise they became fools.

IMO feminism and ordaining women has helped to lead to these problems.

I left the UMC a couple of years ago and couldn't be happier.

Please pray for the churches that are being held hostage by the denomination and those that never even got a chance to vote on leaving by their leadership. This is more common than people know. There are reasons only 2% left in some of these conferences besides everyone's a liberal. My church and 7 others (more might join) are suing the denomination to exit peacefully.

This is an apostasy that the church has never seen. It has been untinkable for 2000 years. But it is almost in every denomination now. It is, in many ways, a Great Apostasy.

Satan scatters. It is Christ who gathers.

Read the Church Fathers. Forget about the church groups founded recently (last few hundred years) by mere charismatic men.

I grew up in a Non Denomination church. Hard to miss a service as my grandpa was the pastor and we lived between church building and grandparents home😁 Closest I have found to straight Bibical teaching is the Baptists without false teachings. The congregations I attended taught repentance and didn't sugar coat what is waiting if you don't believe John 3:16. Did not preach baptism was only way to Heaven.

1,020,000 people who attended UMC churches on the Ivory Coast of Africa... unanimously left the UMC.

You mentioned Floral Heights Methodist Church in Wichita Falls, Texas. My Grandmother (Dad's mother) went to that church. I never met her - she died 2 weeks before I was born in 1936. But she (I'm told) loved that church very much. At one point in my career (pipe organ builder) I maintained the organ in that church -- it was a very delightful instrument. I wonder what is going to happen to it all. Sad.

I work part time at my local church doing maintenance for the building. The church Is one of these liberal churches. A lot of the members are older and you can definitely feel like there is a split happening internally. I’m not a member of the church so I have no business voicing my opinions but I don’t feel right about the way things are going.

Until God changes his stance on the issue I will not change my stance on the issue.

25% left 33% couldn't attend. There's your margin

The Church is a volunteer organization that makes great personal moral demands of its participants. It is not possible to get people to sacrifice much while forcing them to act against their beliefs and against their will.

Our church was denied the ability to leave....so, one Sunday the church was left with about 7-8 people, and the rest of us met in a local hall with about 140 people in attendance. The property would conservatively be estimated at close to four million dollars. It's quite easy to do the math. The church doors closed within a month and those of us who left are doing well. After well over a year we have finally found a permanent place to hold services. What was incredible to me (I am not Methodist), was that the people were predominately not bitter. The peace of God has been quite incredible.

As for the African churches, the UMC did little to help them get visas worked out in time. I also believe the UMC wanted to control the travel arrangements for the African delegates, thus making travel plans less than ideal. The Africans are under represented, because representation is predicated on money, not population. The regionalization concept also has the effect of keeping the African church from interfering with North American sexual "ethics". All this done to our black brothers and sisters, in the name of progressive ideology.

This is what happens when your denomination tries to fit it's theology to the world vs holding to the eternal Word. Thankfully my parish has 500-1200 people at EACH of the 5 services on Sundays.

Ready to Harvest (the pinnacle for unbiased denominational research) had a very interesting nugget in his latest video about the Methodist split; the average population for churches staying in the UMC versus those who have already left WAS EXACTLY THE SAME. Progressivism, conservativism... it doesn't matter. The Methodist Church was headed down a road that this doctrinal split is only further exacerbating. Come 100 years, we may look at American Methodism as we see currently happening to the Church of Scotland - a denomination that may no longer exist.

A sad prediction: The Methodist congregations who stick with the UMC will eventually die out for reasons that you properly pointed out. Trying to appease groups who don't even care about God.

It was stated that the average UMC Congration is 37 members. Many small rural churches.

The Bible is clear on these matters!

Our local United Methodist Church in Oklahoma announced a vote to leave the denomination. The UMC sent higher ups to over see the vote. When it came down to the vote, the leave the denomination votes were more than the votes to stay. The overseers threw out enough votes on the leave side until the vote came out to the final being to stay. When asked "why?" by the youth pastor at the time the higher ups straight up said "why would we count the votes to leave?" It wasn't in their best interest for the church to leave. If the congregation left, the congregation would have retained the building and a long time ago a few million dollar donation was left to the church. The church mostly operates off the interest gained off of the few million every year. So the UMC also keeps that along with the property. Last I head there were 5 people attending the church. At one time in the 80s- 90s it was the highest attended church in town with hundreds of members. God did move through this however and the honestly it worked out way better. That youth pastor started a non denomination church that sees 100-120 people attend on average. More than that UMC church has seen in decades.

I used to work as a Conference Treasurer in the Dakotas. One of the big drivers of church closings is the cost of a pastor. The minimum salary of a pastor was right around $50k plus $15k for health insurance and $12k for pension. Often a pastor would be appointed to 2 or 3 churches so they could share in the cost of a pastor. In my own opinion, it seems churches there was a lot of pressure to view churches as salary-paying units instead of outposts for discipleship and evangelism.

Yall are laughing about UMC churches closing- it is not a joke! After Katrina numerous churches in Southeast Louisiana could not reopen either because of severe damage or population did not return. Then in 2016, an historic flood hit the region and 2 out of 4 churches near me closed, merged with larger churches. In the middle of all this, fewer people were becoming pastors. THAT became the biggest catalyst for ALL small churches to be forced to close and/or merge with a larger church. When you joked about the pastor living in the parsonage and whatever else was in that same thought process, obviously you do not know how UMC distributes clergy. Individual churches do NOT choose their pastors. They are assigned by the bishop in their jurisdiction- with input by committee. But the local church itself DOES NOT have any say. Most pastors are reassigned every 2-3 years. It has been a long standing belief that if pastors stayed too long the people of the church would become more devoted to the pastor and not Christ. My family had been going to our church since my Daughter was 10 months old and she is now 41. We were told in June 2021 we had to merge because the Conference did not have enough pastors. We had always paid our apportionment yearly and had 10’s of thousands in the bank. Our building was not falling apart and we also had a parsonage in a very good neighborhood. BUT, something was obvious to all of us. Pastors were being sent to us that had issues at other churches, or that definitely did not “fit” our demographic or style of worship. Each time, we lost members because of the decisive personalities, beliefs, lack of spiritual guidance, etc. I personally was one of those who left in 2016 when it became obvious this person was sent to destroy our church. Approximately 1/5-1/4 left. The core of the faithful kept the church going- knowing that in UMC, pastors come and go and this pastor was no exception. When he left, I returned and transferred my membership back, only to find out just 2 months later it would be closing. There were a lot of specific details but the biggest issue that broke all our hearts is that the BISHOP AND CONFERENCE never considered giving us a chance of building back our congregation after enduring that HORRIBLE pastor. So why were they determined to shut us down? For 50 years a prominent car dealership next door had rented part of our parking lot for their employees. Through the years they made offers to buy ALL our property so they could expand. And through the years, we would consider selling and moving to another location. But our small church was the perfect size for the middle of a large suburb- smack dab in between the 2 largest UMC’s. We ourselves traveled an hour every Sunday to attend this small church- passing at least 12 other UMCs that were closer. So why were they determined to shut us down- the value of our property was worth millions and if we closed and merged, ALL of our assets went to the district. Millions!!. So we were given a deadline and a “funeral “ was planned for 6 months later. The money in the bank would be lost, so we donated to everything and everyone we could to drain the account. Other churches were allowed to come take whatever they wanted before members could request stuff. People were coming to claim pews- but my son personally took pews to be “adopted “ by good homes. I am not going to go into details about my behavior, but after one of our members told us how HER former church was forced to close, and that the powers that be reassured them EVERYTHING would be donated to other churches or faith based organizations/ charities, members were horrified when they passed by and found mounds of stuff thrown out to be picked up as garbage!! This included BIBLES!!! I ended up renting a U-Haul truck and bringing it to my house. People accuse me of being a hoarder, but everything found a place or replaced something that I passed on. We are very happy in the church we merged with. Our 2 alter chairs, alter table, baptismal font, piano, CROSS & FLAME were all adopted my this church. One of our pews now sits in the Narthex /foyer so every Sunday, I can stop for a moment and say a prayer. And hanging above it for all to see is a banner I made in 1992 for a huge gathering of UMCs in a neighboring city. This banner had been criticized by those pastors that didn’t “fit in” all those years ago. One actually removed it and locked it away , yelling at the person who demanded it be returned-- “You all are PROUD to be a little church!”. To which the gentleman responded, “Yes we are.” What does the banner say? “The Small Church with a Big Heart”.

2:40 the denomination doesn’t even own majority of the churches as some were around for more than 200 years old. When my church left the denomination for the GMC (global Methodist church) the denomination tried to take the church and the land it was on even though they had no records of the church or anything on the land being there’s. Bishop Thomas bickerton is a person that is hard to deal with. He is not a good bishop.

It's a matter of time that those UMC membership will be drop faster and they will have a life or death scenario. We will see, in the some years ahead, the catrastrophe that this church will experiment. Countdown is starting...

Thinking I'll be moving from UM to some form of Eastern Orthodoxy, as the Catholic Church seems to be on the same path of just allowing everything and lowering the bar into insignificance.

When the people in the pews realize what has happened they will just walk away--- forget the buildings

I'm a pastor of a UM church. Having watched the last few years unfold, the worst part of this has not been disagreement over doctrinal things. The worst part is how people who claim to be Christians have talked about and to one another in the same smug, insulting, self-righteous ways that Democrats and Republicans talk about and to one another on Twitter. The UMC has not split along the lines of how to treat LGBTQ persons, but on whether you watch FOX or CNN. This all started not when we came to believe whatever we believe about LGBTQ persons, but when we started putting faith in elected officials and the Supreme Court to pass laws to force people to act the way we think Christians should act rather than inspiring them to do so by loving the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength; and by loving our neighbor as ourselves. We thought we could influence our political system, but we sold our soul to them instead.

I shed no tears for the UMC. They abandon GOD and HIS Word decades ago and now after decades of waiting fruitlessly for them to repent His patience has been exhausted and HE has abandoned them. Of course, just the Church of Laodicea in Revelation 3, they have no clue.

My church that I was born and raised in like 80% of the congregation. Mostly relatives. Our parents and grandparents built this church. I’m 71 , we’re farmers masonries , teachers , doctors, nurses , school teachers. factory workers. We followed their directions to wait till after the GC to see if the discipline changed. Then we could disaffiliate, but don’t jump the gun. This was preached to us by our pastor and DS . Now after morning service on May 5 we had a meeting immediately after and voted by 100% to disaffiliate and our pastor and DS said that it was up to the trustees of annual conference to decide. We are out of luck I’m afraid. Time will tell

Disafiliation agreements were not uniform across the annual conferences. Northeast jurisdiction was facing almost impossible cost to get out. Baltimore Washington alone was 50% appraised real estate value. Easter PA and Susquehanna were 100%. On top of these were advanced payment for shares of ministry and unfunded pension liability for two years. Many churches did not leave but most congregations faced tremendous loss in the Northeast.

Episcopal church went through it a while ago. Bible preaching churches left to join the Anglican Church. It hurt and was very hard, but our now Anglican Church now has explosive growth. Come on over!

Wild. I pray these people open their eyes and follow the Lord. Not Jesus that they made up in their own mind

Current UMC Pastor here who is leaving the denomination along with my congregations, and having to leave behind everything the churches have to do so. I'd love the opportunity to be on your program, tell you what it's like on the ground, and some of the more nefarious things that are happening in the UMC and how it's worse than most know or realize.

Maintstream churches are already losing members at a rapid rate, and this marks the demise of most of them. The property will be sold off to support the pensions of bishops, ministers, and other employees. This is not just the end of UMC, but also of many other denominations.

Jesus clearly stated that easy is the broad gate. Strive to enter through the narrow gate. It's clear, "those who do the will of my Father will be saved". REPENT and TRUST in Me. There is no room in salvation for disobedience. There's no justification for sin in God's Word. Sexual sin is among the most offensive to God according to the Bible, heterosexual or otherwise. Homosexuality is described in Scripture as an abomination. No matter the temptations, acting on them is disobedience of God. If you want to be saved by God, repent and trust in Jesus completely.

I grew up in a Methodist church. I will pray that they choose to return to follow the teachings of the Bible. They are letting world views change their core values. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

i have visited many Anglican ,Presbyterian ,and Methodist churches over the years , All of them suffer from the same problem which is that they teach ,and preach a very soft ,Joel Osteen type Gospel ,and openly embrace anti-biblical practices like ordaining women pastors and accepting Gay clergyman as part of their staff . So for these churches being and staying relevant to the world is more important.

The average UMC congregation in the northeastern USA is 35 white ladies over age 60 from what I've seen. Quite often in a gorgeous facility they're rattling around in that was built in the late 19th or early 20th century and can't really afford any more. 🤷‍♂ Not sure what the case is in other parts of the country.

To all the Methodists, see which churches , and specifically denominations have not bent the knee to the tyrannical minority... Especially now, it might be time to re-evaluate some assumptions you might have about the orthodox or catholic churches. Read the Church fathers. See how they worshipped God, and ask yourself, am I following in their footsteps?

The split was about power and greed and control, not sexuality.

I like what my sister's pastor said he said we are Bible believers because non denominational is becoming a denomination.

Saw this coming years ago. I’m Presbyterian Church in America after 25 years Methodist

Unfortunately many Evangelicals are not going to learn from this.

I wonder if Hank HIll left the church after this

Wow, a church splitting over sin. Yes, Jesus i called you as my Lord and Savior. I hope none of those bad sinners got in.

When the (relatively more) traditional side still had the slim majority they should have just voted to kick out the largest most liberal conference for breaking their bylaws and for manifest blasphemy. From there they could do the painstaking effort of removing and either disciplining or excommunicating (mostly excommunicating) as necessary until the clergy at all levels is actually worthy of being called clergy. If churches tried to leave, don't allow them to keep church property. Take the inevitable lawsuits. Take the short term hit to attendance as the self worshiping stop attending. Even be comfortable closing churches which are already dead in their sin. Remove those false churches who use your name to lead people astray. Cutting off the rotting branches to spare the living, and make way for new growth is the proper course of action. Strength and confidence in faith.

Why are we arguing something we've agreed on for over 2000 years?

In my town the Methodist pastor(A male) "married" the Episcopal pastor(also a male).

The enemy is sure winning a lot of battles. But he’s headed straight to hell and he’s trying to bring as many with him as he can. “And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades (death) will not overpower it [by preventing the resurrection of the Christ]. ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭18‬ ‭AMP‬

This is why "denominational" and "non-denominal" are not biblical. God calls the church those who are believers in Jesus Christ not a committee of people who make the "rules" for others.

So sad that for 168 years, people gave their time and money to support that particular church and now it’s shutting down because leadership has forsaken the truth of God’s word.

Mt Grandfather was a Methodist minister. I’m so glad he didn’t live to see these days. Or here me say “ See I told you so!”

UMC abandoned God to worship the world.

As a member of a church who did disaffiliate, I can attest that our membership and our impact in the community grew exponentially once we left. Jesus' yoke may be light, but that of the UMC was not.

To say the the UMC is a dying denomination is not accurate. It is shrinking in the number of churches and members, and will likely stabilize as a smaller denomination. However, mainline denominations influence does not come from raw numbers, but from institutions and people in positions of power. Look at the example of the Episcopal Church, it has been decreasing as a percentage of the population since the founding of the country, and yet controls a large number of institutions (schools, hospitals, social service organizations, etc.) and has been traditionally overrepresented among elected officials.

Bishop Oliveti was the main instigator. She said Jesus was a biased man.

1 Timothy 4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

Which denomination is closest to the non-denominational denomination? Almost every time it is the Baptist.

Show up on Sundays. Civilisation is in decline.

Different sources give different dates about when the UMC started ordaining women. Once that anti-scriptual practice takes hold, a denomination is doomed to be mired in error and heresy. I'm sure there are true Christians in the UMC, but their numbers will surely decline now that they have taken the "gay" pill.

It's very telling that most of the UMC RU-vid channels have their comments turned off on posts regarding the vote to change policy

Welcome to Protestantism baby!

If the church loses its saltiness it is no good but to pitched out

They might as well be Unitarian n a couple years.

The UMC is NOT dying!

when you understand the 7 Kingdom of Heaven parables in Matthew none of this will surprise you. It simply means the final coming in of the KoH under the rule of our Lord Jesus Christ is getting closer. The wheat will be saved and the tares will burn. And the beautiful pearl of great price (the true Church) will be finally revealed in all it shining purity.

Revelations happening as we speaks.

United Methodists aren't the same as Methodists. Over the past half century the Evangelical United Brethren succeeded in removing the methodism from the Methodist side of the union. Today, they aren't even close to the Methodist church that existed prior to 1968. I know because I've been a Methodist since 1959. I could name the differences, but it wouldn't make them change back to the days when they preached the gospel and didn't have people recite Rome's version of the Nicene Creed..., etc.

If the gospel of Jesus Christ, as it is delivered to us inthe bible is not being conveyed there is no reason for the UMC to exist. And that is why they are shrinking. Peoples souls are not being fed.

Many Churches wanted to leave but could not afford the cost. Some did not leave because they were not told what was going on. Our NE Georgia leaders illegally stopped letting anyone leave. We had to go to court to get them to start the process again. That cost us about $3500. As far as I am concerned the UMC stole that money from us. I was told that the South Carolina district added a 10% that was not required by the conference. If true, that also sounds like theft. Bottom line, I would have left if my Church had not. I think the UMC leaders are just in it for the money.

I hope those who left get together and form a new denomination.

It possible the decline in attendance opened the door to allowing aspects that don't align with Christianity to raise the numbers. Same way alot of Pastor's do antics to be relevant or relatable.

The liberal churches didn't leave after 2019 because they controlled the agencies in the administrative structure and the seminaries. They wanted to hang on to the system they had built. The traditionalists placed less value on what they saw as an expensive liberal structure with misguided priorities. Some of the traditionalists grabbed their Bibles, paid what they had to pay to retain the property that they had invested in for decades, and they left. Our congregation did that and has since joined the Global Methodist Church. Over 7% of our budget that used to support the massive church organizational culture is now being poured into an expanded set of community outreach ministries. Our congregation has grown, mostly from people leaving churches that remained in the UMC. Now it is time to look outward and lead people to Christ.