The story behind Tobey Maguire's NEW Spider-Man mask

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2 years later, fans are still baffled as to what happened to Tobey Maguire's mask in Spider-Man No Way Home. I've bought some of my own perspectives to determine why it was changed.
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The fictional character Spider-Man, a comic book superhero created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko and featured in Marvel Comics publications, has appeared as a main character in numerous theatrical and made-for-television films.
The first four films were linked to television series and screened in theaters only in certain countries. Nicholas Hammond starred as Peter Parker / Spider-Man in the 1977 made-for-television film Spider-Man that spawned a broadcast series, and would appear as the character in two sequels edited from those episodes. In 1978, the Toei Company created a theatrical spin-off of their Spider-Man television series, with Shinji Todō reprising his role as Takuya Yamashiro / Spider-Man. None of these films had a theatrical release in the United States.
By 1999, Sony Pictures Entertainment had acquired the film rights to the character, creating two film series until 2014: the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy of films (2002-2007) starring Tobey Maguire as the character, and the Marc Webb Amazing Spider-Man films (2012-2014) starring Andrew Garfield in the role.
In February 2015, Disney, Marvel Studios, and Sony made a deal to share the Spider-Man film rights, leading to a new iteration of Spider-Man being introduced and integrated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The deal allowed Sony Pictures to continue to own, finance, distribute, and have final creative control of the solo Spider-Man films, with Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures distributing the films with his other appearances in a supporting capacity. Tom Holland portrays this version of Spider-Man, and has appeared in six films to date, from Captain America: Civil War (2016) to Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021). In September 2019, following a brief stand-off resulting in the termination of the old agreement, Disney and Sony relented to fan outcry and reached a new agreement for Holland's version to return for future films such as another solo film, Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) where he appears alongside Maguire and Garfield who reprise their roles in the film as supporting characters. A fourth MCU Spider-Man film is in development at Sony and Disney.
Plans for an animated Spider-Man film were officially announced by Sony in April 2015, which eventually became Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) from Sony Pictures Animation. Shameik Moore voices Miles Morales / Spider-Man in the film, along with various other versions of Peter Parker and alternate versions of Spider-Man from the multiverse also appearing. Sequels and potential spin-offs are planned.
The Spider-Man films have been generally well received. They have collectively grossed $10.2 billion at the global box office, with Far From Home becoming the first Spider-Man film to gross over $1 billion worldwide followed by No Way Home, which became Sony's highest-grossing film of all time. Additionally, Into the Spider-Verse won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature.

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@SOK39 3 месяца назад

When you realize Andrew’s suit was also the same from TASM2, while Tobey’s suit literally decayed…

@sashasmj9563 8 дней назад

not exacly the same, the face shell is different and the colors too. but still minor next to tobeys

@AustinNGrayson 11 месяцев назад

As an artist who specializes in costume design I’m just going to say what I always say. Critiques like this aren’t nitpicking. These relatively small details can make or break a suit. Someone might not be able to put their finger on what it is but the vast majority of the time they’ll notice that something’s off with a costume. When it comes to costume design small details aren’t actually that small. Side note: There’s a fair amount of color differences in the main Spider-Man 3 suit compared to the Spider-Man 2 suit.

@machtashmacta7143 11 месяцев назад

Well they went through so many suit tears that it was bound to happen. Eventually, the studio ran out of the paint and had to use slightly different tones. This happened the most in the first two movies. I remember they said in a behind-the-scenes video that they went through over 20 suits in Spiderman 1 alone. They literally kept making suits while Tobey was still wearing them.

@AustinNGrayson 11 месяцев назад

@@machtashmacta7143 oh I’m completely fine with the new technique and the thinner web lines. It’s really just the layout of the web pattern and the lenses on the new mask that stick out like a sore thumb to me.

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 11 месяцев назад

No, it's nitpicking. Spiderman fans are so annoying. Lol

@Squidgyy_ 11 месяцев назад

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e💀

@tabkg5802 11 месяцев назад

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e you having eye problem doesn't mean that its nitpicking. New mask is complete ass. Almost as ass as Insomniac's Raimi suit

@rushslocum 11 месяцев назад

Worth considering, there is a high possibility they had to change the costume enough that they wouldn’t have to pay the old costume designers for their design.

@ChannelPup 11 месяцев назад

That would actually really really explain it all.

@bababoey9279 9 месяцев назад

This is most likely the answer

@Redemptify 6 месяцев назад

That's not how rights work when it comes to character design. They'd have to pretty much change everything on the suit, not just the mask

@vadamsvengeance3219 6 месяцев назад

it looked like shit

@VividVirid Год назад

I think it was a matter of the creators of this mask thinking that no one would notice to cut some minor corners. Could be completely wrong though

@tomasprokel3803 Год назад

I think they did bad CGI mask and thinking in few seconds People dont see difference. Well :D I Hope they fix for next tobey appearance

@Pellude 11 месяцев назад

Totally agree with this. The cgi was rushed, which I don’t blame the actual Vox house, but rather Disney for rushing out their movies.

@Joemamagaywsf 11 месяцев назад

@@Pelludethis was Sony

@imnotkiddingg 11 месяцев назад

this WAS a pandemic era movie n the beginning of the bad cgi marvel era so yes

@The_NJG 11 месяцев назад

I certainly noticed a difference, although I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

@matteobonilla3189 Год назад

I knew that the mask had been changed but only having seen it in theaters I never got that good a look at it. But your drawings make it much clearer and I initially didn’t like it, but after your breakdown similar to you I found some appreciation for it. Love your videos.

@calebscorner6428 10 месяцев назад

This video felt like it came from my soul. The second Tobey’s suit was on screen in No Way Home I said “Oh my god they changed it!” and my friends thought I was nuts.

@JungasFilms 11 месяцев назад

I find the 2004 version so much superior and its not even close. Something about how well the webs are positioned around the face shell, how proportionately balanced everything is, the squared jawline, the width and depth of "Tobey's" nose poking out of the mask - it all makes it seem like there's an actual human being inside the suit, unlike later iterations of the character. I think the 2021 version being seen in CGI exclusively also puts it at a massive disadvantage.

@d1ffch 9 месяцев назад

2004 is THE Spider-Man suit. it reflects seriousness, strength and all those things. maybe not the funny side of Peter but still it shows how serious spidey can be as an opponent

@chrismhp Месяц назад

They spent months developing every detail of the Raimi suit when they were making those films, and more months redesigning it for Spiderman 2. Every small design detail matters, and you can see in behind-the-scenes footage of Raimi asking for very subtle changes. That's the level of care and thought that went into the look of the suit. Marvel has been criticized before for rushed CGI sequences, and it's very obvious that Tobey's mask was a victim of this fact. They even re-released an updated version of No Way Home in theaters that improved the VFX of when Tobey/Andrew come through the portals in their reveal scenes. When I first saw NHW, the mask was really goofy looking, and it definitely bugged me. At times I wasn't even sure if we were looking at Tobey's Spiderman or Andrew bc of how off it looked.

@EX0TIC_ECL1PSE Год назад

The concept art SHOWS the mask the way it's supposed to be. That little extra webbing between his eyes throws EVERYTHING off

@plaguedoctor4519 Год назад

I actually really love the (2002) suit more than the (2004 - 2007) suit personally

@ChannelPup Год назад

I prefer the spider logos on the 2002.

@plaguedoctor4519 Год назад

@@ChannelPup same!! I remember when you ranked the suits you mentioned the logos in the 2004 suit looked more like a big advertisement logo if I remember and I 100% couldn't agree more 😅

@decimusxi 11 месяцев назад

Same all the way, only negative that the 2002 suit has is its very dark blue. If only it would be lighter

@ImaHeatseekr 11 месяцев назад

Same here,the newer mask kinda reminded me of the first mask with the whiter eyes im totally fine with it.

@SB992REBORN 11 месяцев назад

The 1st suit is the only comic accurate one while 23 are updated refined versions of suit!

@justinerickson5486 Год назад

I would LOVE to find a perfect replica of the 2007 venom suit. I love the design with the jagged webs and the slimed down version of the classic venom spider

@ChannelPup Год назад

It's my favourite Venom design. It's very cleverly crafted.

@justinerickson5486 Год назад

@@ChannelPup that was the last film I saw with my friends from Highschool. The first was Spider-Man. And it's very dear to me. I love this series very much.

@nicksorenson940 11 месяцев назад

@@ChannelPup IDK, once I saw Sony's Venom movies that kind of became my new favorite live-action depiction of the character. Even without having the big white spider on his chest (because of no Spider-Man to get the symbiote from) they really seemed to address any of the nitpicks that may have been had with his SM3 design by fans, such as not being big and bulky enough or lacking the long drooling tongue, to make arguably the most comic accurate design of him in film yet. And sure a lot of that may be because of CGI, but Venom is one of those characters where it can be difficult to imagine bringing him to life any other way for live-action. But then their 2nd movie made Carnage even bigger than Venom in contrast to the comics to show how much bigger of a threat that version of the character was, but whatever. *shrug*

@AmazingChrisF 11 месяцев назад

@@ChannelPup I'm not a loser, You're a loser, DO IT!!..

@mrscruffles801 11 месяцев назад

Rami Venom design doesn't get nearly enough love. The broken webs under the iconic Venom logo gave it so much character, as if to say that this is an evil mirror version of Spider-man. Only problem was that he wasn't very bulky, though the toys and video games were sure to fix that.

@Rob_U_Blind 11 месяцев назад

It's because Toby's mask is so perfect, they needed to nerf it so it wouldn't take attention away from Tom Holland's suit!

@trevinodude Год назад

I think my main issue with the new version of the mask, is that I think the new web pattern looks messier on the face. It DOES fit the new lenses and it does look good in context with the rest of the suit in No Way Home, so I don’t hate the new mask… but it’s not my preferred version of the mask. I think the 2004 version was the best of the mask, although the one thing I always thought would have been cool is to see a version of the 2004 mask with the 2002 eye lenses. I always wondered if making the eyes a bit smaller was necessary or not. Regardless… Tobey’s mask is iconic and it always will be. Even the NWH version is pretty dope, but I just think it was perfectly done in 2004.

@playboi4383 11 месяцев назад

Spider man 2 has the best suit...the lenses are okay but spider man 1 has the best lenses

@trevinodude 11 месяцев назад

@@playboi4383 I agree. That’s why I would have loved to see a version of the SM2 suit with the SM1 lenses. Maybe the change was necessary, but maybe it wasn’t and I really want to know.

@trevondenman7385 11 месяцев назад

The web pattern change makes it look like the mask is tighter around Tobeys mouth. I can't unsee it now

@wisespidey 11 месяцев назад

I actually prefer the sm2 lenses

@snowyrox3331 11 месяцев назад

meh, i like the 2004 & 2007 lenses better. They look so much more menacing. Like he's sayin "come at me b*tch >:( "

@mercontheeagle 11 месяцев назад

I think the issue was that it looked like the mask didn’t have such a sharp jawline and head shape like in the Raimi films and had a more rounded less sharp face shape for the new one, it almost looks like he isn’t wearing a face shell like Andrew and Tom but rather it looks like a ski mask.

@Duhbiee 9 месяцев назад

as a kid i always thought that the 3d webbing on the suit was some kind of armor that would allow the suit to disperse energy and make use of the webs shape. and as it got more and more damaged he was taking on more on the impacts

@theotherbk1819 11 месяцев назад

Dude you cannot even IMAGINE how much i appreciate this video. Ever since seeing first seeing the movie and noticing all the little details that seemed off about my favorite Spidey suit i have just constantly scrolling through videos and images to confirm if i was just crazy about the spider legs being a little off or the the webbing looking weird or something. But YES! Someone who not only addresses the changes to the suit but also goes into a deep dive showing companions behind the scenes facts AND cool theories is just awesome! My favorite theory was probably the eye lenses being white and black to make it stand out in the dark. I actually thought the eyes looked bigger when i first saw and i was like "Wait...did they use the 2002 lenses?!"

@theoutsiderjess4869 Год назад

Andrew Garfield masks has always been my favorite followed by Tobey but Tom's has grown on me at first I was freaked out by the moving lenses but it grew on me

@AuRoBoss Год назад

The moving lenses allow the character to emote similarly to the comics and animated shows

@adachi3984 Год назад

just more proof that mcu fans don't read comics lmao

@AuRoBoss Год назад

@@adachi3984 well not necessarily. I’m very casual comic fan mostly because I couldn’t get access to many growing up other than some of the big ones like I have the original punisher Spider-Man #129, but I watched a lot of the animated shows and when I saw Tom be introduced in the Civil War I didn’t like the moving eyes. Mostly because I didn’t think it’d translate well to live action

@raw5889 Год назад

I think the first Garfield suit is the best

@suave9184 11 месяцев назад

@@adachi3984yeah, not everyone is a loser that fawns over shitty forms of media. Comics are in the dump right now.

@thewat668 11 месяцев назад

I knew something was wrong with Spidey just didn't look Right, now i know why

@AnglesSol 11 месяцев назад

I don’t dislike the new mask, I prefer the thinner webbing. However, I think the pattern is less refined imo. Remove one web line to get more symmetry and curve the webs inwards so it doesn’t look too flat.

@BatMane95 11 месяцев назад

Though I prefer the old one, I like how the new one has white lenses showing that he's not as angry as he was in 2002-2007.

@bananachana3576 2 месяца назад

just curious how do the lenses meam that?

@BatMane95 2 месяца назад

@@bananachana3576 Silver is a darker color than white, and darker colors are usually used to show anger

@Joseph-oo7pp 10 месяцев назад

When watching NWH for the first time I immediately noticed something was off with the mask, even though you only get split second glimpses at it. I had to look up more info on it after watching the movie to make sure I wasn't going insane. The new mask just looks too uneven and scruched due to where the lines were placed. I genuinely think if they removed the top horizontal line under the nose would have made a more visually appealing and consistent mask, that I would have been less likely to notice.

@StraightEdgeKnight19 Год назад

For me Tobey will always have the best Spider-Man masks from both the 1st and 2nd films, his mask in No Way Home wasn’t that great but it is what it is.

@Kevmaster2000 Год назад

Spider-Man 3 is the GOAT. So nostalgic. Andrew is probably my fav Spidey though.

@OBJYN788 11 месяцев назад

@@Kevmaster2000dang I feel like Spider-Man 3 is the weakest of the entire trilogy. Plus I think Andrew is my least favorite spidey despite him being the best actor of the bunch. Respect your opinions though

@micahbell5572 11 месяцев назад

His mask in NWH looked the same to me

@FATALFlash_ 11 месяцев назад

@@OBJYN788mine is tom because it’s a new take on the Peter Parker character instead of uncle bens death it shows a new perspective also I’m interested in seeing how he is going to be Bloodlusted and with no one which is the only time that this could happen in history, also Toms spider sense and toms fighting ability, also toms acting is great

@MarvelandStarWarsProductions 11 месяцев назад

I'm just happy Tobey Maguire was in Spider-Man No Way Home

@germguy6884 11 месяцев назад

The new design might compliment the eyes but to me it looks stretched out and the eyes look too far apart. Where as the old one looks like it actually fits his face with the eyes and in the middle where his nose would be, making it feel more natural. It looks so odd to me having too much space in between the eyes and nose. Also I’ve never noticed all of this until this video, so thank you i will never be able to unsee it now. 😭

@ComposerTheOfficial Год назад

TASM 1 suit.... Can I get story on that? It's one of the dopest spidy suits

@ChannelPup Год назад

I think the story for that one's a little less elusive what with special features being a lot more present for that one. But I've got a lot of love for that suit so I'm sure I can cook something up for it.

@ComposerTheOfficial Год назад

@@ChannelPup yo I'll be happy with 🖐🏿 min! Love the show G!

@DietScrungo 11 месяцев назад

I'm so glad someone talked about this. I still prefer the 2002-2004 version

@videohousejsq Год назад

13:31 Thank you channel pup for getting into the details of the masks so much. I do appreciate this level of attention to detail! I really do like the old design better. It’s just so memorable. New design is kinda wack.

@trevondenman7385 11 месяцев назад

I think the new design makes lower part of the mask look too tight. That's my first thought every time I see it lol

@HipKidBrick 11 месяцев назад

The only thing that is truly off putting for me with the NWH mask is just that added horizontal line. That’s it. It’s a super big nitpick but hey, it just changes his lower head shape and just looks too compressed in the center and too wide at the bottom. It not only looks off compared to the original but it just generally gives a weird shape. Other than that it’s fine.

@Alienkiwi730 11 месяцев назад

I always preferred the suit from the original 2002 film. And I think the stunt guy(s) in the suit had a better shape that matched more close to Tobey. In 2 and 3 they got some taller and more muscular stunt guys in and it looked really weird

@vanne-necashionofbread9095 Год назад

16:23 on closer inspection the body suit is not a perfect replica, not only because they used a cheaper way of making it but also because the rounded webbing is ditched for a straighter more refined look. This is in continuity with how the webbing looks on the mask, barely any rounded webbing there. Also the webbing in the new suit is a bit narrow to the middle, you can tell by looking at the bottom of the spider, its a V shape. They probably did this to match the sharp bottom of the spider. And the spider logo is also slightly angular on the top part, this is very clear in the scene where he meets Doc Ock and when all the Spider-Man hugs each other.

@vanne-necashionofbread9095 Год назад

18:13 also I have to add that the original suit in 2002 version is the superior one, it looks more like the comics, the angular lenses work here best. Compare it to the 2004-2007 design it sort of exaggerated Raimi-ism of the suit to the point that it look less like Spider-Man, the angular lense is too small now. No Way Home version actually fix this a bit. Also I'm disappointed you didn't mention the lack of the circle webbing in the middle of the Raimi mask, this is a big part of the mask and I think it's one of the biggest reason why Raimi mask look as unique as it is.

@ChannelPup Год назад

Bingo! Well spotted!

@rayhawkins9352 11 месяцев назад

Real Sam Raimi Spiderman fans notice the fact that the Spiderman 2002 costume is significantly different than the Spiderman 2 and 3 costumes, and if you're like me, I have always felt the 2002 costume is the best. The red and blue saturation, the darker webs, the bigger whiter lenses, the smaller front spider, and the back spider being a different design and printed rather than 3D. I absolutely love the first Spiderman costume, maybe it's nostalgia

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 11 месяцев назад

It's nostalgia

@XYZip1 11 месяцев назад

I noticed that when I was little, especially from playing the games. The first suit always looked better to me and made his back look more muscular

@juliorodriguez9746 7 месяцев назад

I prefer the second movie suit, personally, not because of nostalgia somewhat, i grew up more with the first movie, but its because of its aesthetic

@chriscarrera1172 Год назад

As someone who didn’t grow up with Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man, I didn’t really like his mask in NWH. The mask is too off putting, the webs feel too crowded at the bottom and way too spaced out at the top. I much prefer Tobey’s mask from Spider-Man 2. At the same time though it never really bothered me, since I never noticed the change at first.

@TheListofMrRaguso 11 месяцев назад

I think the circles made the face seem longer and it flowed better with the rest of the suit With the ovals, makes the face look wider. Changes the proportions. You are seeing something familiar but it's not the same so it makes it more unsettling for fans. It's like seeing your Dad vs seeing someone that looks like your dad.

@voltheigan8001 Год назад

I just can't hold my laugh whenever I watch the Captain America's PSA

@somemadnessfan4763 Год назад

wait the SM1 and NWH suits are different???. I knew that they recreated the 2-3 suit for NWH since the original one has been rotting, but i didn't know the webs were thinner and the patterns on the face were changed! and the SM1 suit too holy shit i just noticed how different the Spider emblems are

@trevinodude Год назад

Yeah, the original Raimi suit also had differences on the hands. There were no web patterns on the palms and the fingers were more ‘dusty’ looking to account for the barbs in Peter’s hands, allowing him to stick to the wall in spite of the costume. And the soles of the boots were grey in 2002, but became red in 2004. The reason for the hands though is that tried to think of in universe reasons for things to work they way they did, but in 2004, they decided to make adjustments to the design to make Spider-Man look more refined.

@Luka2000_ 11 месяцев назад

Honestly i was so hyped to just see 3 spidermen next to eachother that i didnt pay that much attention to the difference in the suit

@mrwicked7 11 месяцев назад

I thought it was weird there were only a few very quick shots of this mask in NWH. I wonder if some of the toned down changes were made so he didn't look flashier than the Tom Holland Spider-Man.

@juustvibe_ 11 месяцев назад

I grew up with Tobey’s Spider-Man and the nostalgia is seriously real. However, I’ve always had a thing for the more rounded look of the lenses. I like the way Andrews look over any other live action film. I didn’t notice a difference in Tobey’s suit in NWH but I appreciate you breaking it down for me. Great vid man.

@nateflip Год назад

I can't speak for everyone but you perfectly summarized how I felt about Tobey's NWH mask. I appreciate the analysis you did with the structure of old and new masks and have also developed a new appreciation for the new mask. That being said, nothing beats the original mask, especially SM2/SM3. To me, Tobey and Andrew's suits have been 'locked in' - when you think of either Tobey or Andrew, you think of their suits from their respective movies. If they wanted to make a suit more in line with the comic suits, they should have (and they did) make those changes onto Tom's suit since its his movie. I could be wrong but I swear they didn't do anything to Andrew's suit either - it just looks like he walked off the set of TASM2 right into NWH. Either way, great video! I love these types of content - you don't see it often!

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 11 месяцев назад

This Tobey is from years after the third movie. Why do people think his costume would be exactly the same?

@mottom2657 9 месяцев назад

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e You actually make a great point! It is quite natural and plausible that after SM3, Tobey's Peter's Spidey suit underwent more changes.

@dillonfisher7615 Год назад

The only thing I don't like about the new mask is the section of webs on the lower half that gives the appearance of a toothy smile.

@jonathanthomas6990 11 месяцев назад

The webs on the mask are simply shaped like circles and not actually webs. The old costume did a better job at making webs for the mask. They all have equal curves which the new mask does not. It's uneven like I was rushed.

@Double-R-Nothing 10 месяцев назад

There were rumors flying that Spider-Man 4 would've seen Peter craft a simpler more comic-accurate suit after his old one was damaged so much, so it's not too big a stretch to assume he'd make alterations to his existing one.

@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX Год назад

The weird thing is how they altered Tobey’s suit but kept Andrew’s suit and mask pretty much exactly how it looked in TASM 2. That’s what I don’t understand.

@trevinodude Год назад

My theory is that it was more a necessity for Tobey’s costume. They used the same technique for the silver webbing on Tobey’s suit that they used in Andrew’s suit in TASM 2, rather than gluing on the material from scratch like in Tobey’s own movies. With the webs being thinner as a result… more like Andrew’s by the very technique used, Tobey’s mask alterations were more needed than Andrew’s… since Andrew’s suit was basically remade using the exact same methods as before.

@flamebreaker7318 10 месяцев назад

I think Andrew's was the literal suit from amazing spiderman 2 that's why it looked exact could be wrong tho

@MateusDrake Год назад

I expected him to complain about something I didn't care about, and I watched him show me the differences, got me to dislike the changes, them he grew to appreciate them and got me to enjoy the new one a lot. I now know the differences and like both designs.

@mannamoth918 Год назад

His new mask kinda looks like it has a creepy grin

@Alex-theez 11 месяцев назад

the raimi trilogy suit and mask is and forever will be the best iteration of spidermans suit. not to mention the raimi symbiote suit. growing up watching those 3 films in cinemas and then over and over again on DVD was a big part of my childhood and nostalgia.

@PrimeTime379 11 месяцев назад

I was never that much of a Spider-Man enthusiast but even I noticed that the new mask didn't look as sharp as the old one. Just something about the old mask was striking and had an aggressive look to it that the new one didn't replicate.

@ottowilson599 11 месяцев назад

my favorite spiderman mask (and costume overall) is the TASM 2 spider man version. OMG so perfect

@TheUndeadVirus 11 месяцев назад

Funny enough, Tobey's costume was the only one that was recreated. Andrew's suit was the *exact* same one from 2014, removable gloves and all! As for Tobey's new mask as a whole, the webbing is the only complaint I have. I actually kinda like the flat black eye-trims. I dunno it feels like an homage to the eyes from Spider-Man 1 (2002). But hey, that's just me. Great video as always, Pup!!

@SOULINTHESHELL99 11 месяцев назад

I like to think Tobey's Spiderman redesigned his mask in between the events of SM3 and NWH 😂

@spiderzilla7o7 9 месяцев назад

It was a good suit remake. But it just feels so sad we don’t get to see the old suit again. I was so exited to see how my favorite spider-suit would look after a decade or two

@romellomalone368 11 месяцев назад

My favorite version of the Spider-Man mask from the original Trilogy is the one from Spider-Man (2002 film) I do like the Spider-Man mask from Spider-Man 2 and 3 as well but the first version of the mask is my favorite one on screen

@f7or1n Год назад

2007 suit has rounded front logo, a smaller rear logo and colder colors

@swollenapocrypha 11 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed this! I also love Spider-Man and the raimi suit is my favorite for similar reasons to yours. I didn't expect to come away from this video having any care for the new mask but this was a pretty interesting comparison, especially for someone who hasn't seen the new movie yet and was very ready to Eliminate the Change™️. Thanks for posting!

@HateTheBearsFTWbcYOLO 11 месяцев назад

The middle of the new mask looks like a spider too which is kinda fun

@dead_memelol 11 месяцев назад

I was ok with it, now I look at it with a different light when you explained how the webs try to follow the flow of the lenses' curves, but on the other hand, the lack of symmetry from top to bottom of the mask hurts me a little, the spacing between the two middle lines on the upper half weirds me out a little, but I would believe anyone that said this is what the mask could have looked like in spider-man 1, hell my problem isn't even the mask, suit, whatever, it's just the cgi, it makes the main colors look so weird

@itsshmidy956 Год назад

I never noticed this change buy now you pointed it out its really interesting tbf

@flob8862 Год назад

I follow your career with great interest since the beginning. Keep up!! Love your vids

@chimeron260 Год назад

this video made me realize something about the Raimi mask I have never noticed, and I don't know how. It doesn't have the center vertical line on the top half. it may be why it looks a bit more Ditko than the other 2 spidey's. the webbing pattern really became a defined pattern with John Romito Sr. the upper center line is such a distinct feature of the mask that they changed it to a bottom center line for Doc Ocks superior Spiderman suit and it looks completely different

@vivekach Месяц назад

can’t believe u made me not hate this design anymore

@Spyder1 11 месяцев назад

I've been waiting for you to make this video.

@supjair3497 11 месяцев назад

I'm from México and I usually watch videos in Spanish I'm just like You, i notice all of those little details un superhero suits, i havent found no one on RU-vid in spanish or anyone else in general who talk about this things, so i'm happy knowing that i'm not alone

@Corb06_V.2 11 месяцев назад

3:24 omg it’s insane how perfect these descriptions are

@user-ir1xo9jp8w 10 месяцев назад

For me the most noticeable part is that the purple-ish shading around the eye lenses disappeared, making his eyes look beadier than they should

@luigi_border Год назад

The new mask does not look like an actual spider web. And the eyes are very different because they wanted more wisdom in the eyes, rather than agression

@saljames9075 11 месяцев назад

It’s something I noticed and was confused. I didn’t think that maybe the cost was a factor to play here. However, I do have my own theory. There are pieces of concept art out there that show Andrew in his first TASM suit, and if you line that suits mask up with the newer Tobey suit…it looks nearly identical. So my theory is that maybe in the very early stages of production the visual arts team didn’t know which suit to use for Andrew so they made both or just his first movie but then maybe reused the tasm 1 mask model for Tobey’s suit mask since they used cgi for his mask

@yoo912 11 месяцев назад

No lol. Mcu just has a horrible cgi team

@jordana.7803 11 месяцев назад

tobey's no way home suit is an actual mod in the sm remastered game for pc. I didn't expect the suit to look the exact same as it did in 2007, I was there for the actors, I can live with the fit looking slightly different lol

@Batofgotham1902 11 месяцев назад

Oh my God FINALLY someone talked about this. Thank you so very much for making this video. It stuck in my head as a negative image since I first saw this mask in NWH. IMO, Spider man 2 was the best mask ever.. Thanks again man for this video, and talking about it in detail. I feel so oddly relieved now..

@frostbite3357 Год назад

I don’t like the new mask, here’s why: The eyes are not only less angular, but a little farther apart, which is what set me off at first. It makes the mask look a little, for lack of a better term, derpy. I also hate that it’s less angular and thick, especially on the eyes, because that is what really set Toby’s Spidy apart. I really think the change just makes him look more flat and generic, and I really hope it doesn’t stick if Toby ever comes back again.

@NarutoUzumaki-xg9et 11 месяцев назад

Agreed! The lens and the webbing feel like a downgrade

@snakev1082 11 месяцев назад

I agree i think they rushed this suit…

@kaleolll5374 7 месяцев назад

They did it because they said that Peter would’ve made some edits to his suit in 20 years. I didn’t like it but it makes sense.

@Starwarsawesomeeu 10 месяцев назад

I’ll admit I certainly didn’t notice it untill after the movie I saw people talking about it online, but I do agree it did look a tad bit odd. Only complaints I have is that we saw Tobey back in the dark. Which meant darker lightning to see the suit properly. Wish he came back earlier during the daytime.

@rudraghosh20 11 месяцев назад

I believe most people are forgetting something. The Tobey Spider-Man in No Way Home could probably not be the one from the Raimi trilogy. Green Goblin and Doc Ock being alive at the same time, is the biggest proof of that. My theory is that he's a variant who has mostly similar life/canon events as his Raimi trilogy counterpart but they aren't exactly the same. The different mask and suit is to signify that.

@ironmatto3 11 месяцев назад

Doc Ock saw Green Goblin dead in the news, they weren't villains at the same. This theory doesn't make sense.

@flamebreaker7318 10 месяцев назад

@ironmatto3 it doesn't make sense for goblins death to be on the news spidey never told nobody until harry.

@coolz223rox 11 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for making this. It's been bugging me since the movie came out! I was like, "Look! It's different!" and no one seemed to care. I love both designs at the end of the day but I was just interested in the reasoning behind all the changes. another change I noticed in the CGI of Andrew Garfield's suit was they made it tighter. The practical suit was exactly the same in the way it fit. I think I remember in an interview Andrew says he was excited that it still fit so I think they reused his suit. But back to the point, In the Amazing Spider-man 2 the CGI department goes out of their way to show all the folds of the suit and wrinkles and how it ripples in the wind when in motion. But in the new movie it was like a second skin. But then again it probably took a lot of time and money to render cloth simulations and muscle deformation for the Amazing Spider-man that they just didn't have for this project.

@brosbeforehoes42069 Год назад

tobeys mask has more grey/silver eyes along what channel pup pointed out

@Wortwort-Spooderbat Год назад

Ngl I'm so happy ya made this video!!

@edvinvfroding 11 месяцев назад

You are not alone! I care way to mutch about those small details on the suits

@zeroh2hero 11 месяцев назад

I've noticed since the promo art work was released, btw nice video I also like to analyze the details and designs of the costumes it is really neat if your a perfectionist

@maverickslb80 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video. Loved it. Spider-Man is my favorite character. Always will be.

@T.C-Kral-Yusuf Месяц назад

Tobey‘s mask in No Way Home looks like the mask in Spider-Man Web of Shadows for PS2. Lmfao…

@joshuarosario2213 11 месяцев назад

This video is much needed i hope all the spiderman fans that have a issue with the new mask design should watch this. I dont mind the no way home mask I actually like it a lot but obviously I prefer the sm2 mask design but it does not bother me that they went this route although i do wish they made the webbing more defined on the mask and made the sharpness of his jaw more like the sm2 mask, but overall i like it and love that we got tobey and his iconic suit back.

@ekojar3047 11 месяцев назад

HD or High Density screen printing Ink is a newer tech that we didn't have back in the Toby Spider-Man days. HD ink seems like the most practical way to do it these days. Or it could be a silicone Ink that is similar. It would also allow you to do different thicknesses of webs and textures by the thickness of the screens!

@spider-ty7420 Месяц назад

I'd have to say Keaton had the best belt buckle, it's just so classic, you know.

@garf7298 11 месяцев назад

Hey man I just wanted to say I’m a new viewer. But the thing you said about how your family would poke fun at you about having a in depth conversation about “Batman’s belt” and I really felt that lol. Sometimes I would worry if I was weird or dumb for caring ab sum so minuscule, like which spidey lenses were the coolest or why a certain color pattern looks better. But the way you put it It made me realize the little things are what makes those versions feel personal. There something cool about knowing the little details about the stuff you’re into and why it’s the way it is. Even if it doesn’t seem important to someone else. So it just makes me happy that someone else feels how I do even if it’s very oddly specific lol. Ya earned yourself a new sub and a like man 👍

@ChannelPup 11 месяцев назад

Thanks Garf! Sounds like there's a lot of people like us out there who care about these little things. It's all just a matter of finding your crowd.

@garf7298 11 месяцев назад

@@ChannelPup Yeah man of course and sick video dude! Also, I’ve been doing comic style cosplays myself for some years now… it’s definitely made me more particular lol. Gotta get the iteration perfect! 😂👍

@eisac1234 11 месяцев назад

The shape of Tobey’s head has changed some too. His mask/shell should be a little different too

@braydanwithana Год назад

I have been waiting for this video for years.

@reyardnejar3280 7 месяцев назад

The old mask looks angry The new mask looks friendly

@GMKGoji01 10 месяцев назад

I grew up with Tobey's costume, too. Spider-Man was my childhood hero!

@Jinniah.Jarvis9 Год назад

I think it would be so cool if Tobey and Andrew took inspiration from Tom Hollands eye lenses movement , the same way Tom Holland took inspiration from both Tobey and Andrew Suits.

@jamesoblivion Год назад

I do appreciate that they didn't just cheap out and pull the old suit out of mothballs. The modern redesign shows that they cared. And the Raimi suits were super modern in design at the time, so it only makes sense that he'd have modernized it at least a bit since then. Same deal with Keaton's Batman. I haven't seen The Flash, but it's still cool to see a modern take on the Keaton Batsuit.

@seankingdon8346 11 месяцев назад

I noticed it, and it applies to Andrew Garfield’s costume too. On both, the lenses are very flat compared to the way they look in their movies, and I haven’t taken a super close look at it but I’m pretty sure the webbing is wrong as well. Doc Ock also wasn’t wearing a turtleneck when he fought Spider-Man at the end of Spider-Man 2, but shows up wearing one in No Way Home supposedly freshly taken from that fight. Just enough inconsistencies that make me go nah these aren’t the same variants we saw in those movies.

@op_meg Год назад

Love you Channel keep up the great work

@HoldenHardman 11 месяцев назад

The mask makes no difference to the uninitiated. But we ARE initiated, aren't we Channel Pup... Great video! I remember having my Spider-man 2 DVD and watching the featurettes for the costume creation. I had memorized the webbing design and pattern on the mask and initially noticed something was off, but couldn't put my finger on it during my theater viewing. Now, I can't help but notice. It's not a huge deal and doesn't detract too much since I can have my head canon be "well, maybe it was easier for Peter to design it that way," or "maybe it was the result of his last battle damaged repair" or something. But still, it begs the meta question..."why?" Kudos for also trying to contact the costume designer even though it didn't work out.

@phillyskyguy9535 11 месяцев назад

I completely believe it was legal issues, I also believe the Spiderman deal in 2019 was a result of this. If you've studied the past characters that come back in NWH, all of them have a slight costume change (with some being obvious like Goblin or Sandman). I believe they had to slightly touch up the characters to not go against the already trademarked characters and designs. Doc Ock has a completely different jacket, Electro is yellow, Lizard is comic accurate, sandman is....a sand man, and gobbie has hobo drip. I also believe the spidermen that came back faced the same problem

@moviehermit5631 Год назад

I love that Tom Holland wasn't even included in the options for the favourite Spider-man

@Tosenate Год назад

Because it is wrong

@sunkdid7256 Год назад

I don't. He's my favorite live action Spider man.

@ChannelPup Год назад

Truth be told I dont have a favourite or least favourite. I think they're all great.

@moviehermit5631 Год назад

@@ChannelPup Valid. I’m usually the same, but the narrative choices down with MCU Spider-man definitely made me not enjoy the depiction as much as I do with Tobey and Andrew. I appreciate the tone they went for to convey the earlier comics of Peter’s time in high school, but there were certainly plenty of missed opportunities, all the Iron Man stuff, skipping over dramatic and emotional scenes for the sake of a joke (e.g. Aunt May finding out), Aunt May just being a walking Milf joke until NWH made her into this moral compass figure who’s grave has the quote they stole from the Insomniac game and is way less earned, bending over backwards to make sure Uncle Ben is never mentioned by Peter 1 at all, how Ned and MJ have no real depth and don’t exist outside of their scenes with Peter (we know more about Flash’s home life than we do Ned and MJ), etc. you know, small stuff like that which always makes me go on a huge tangent I wasn’t planning on doing until the ball starts rolling

@-Anonymous-. Год назад

@@ChannelPup that’s how I feel about the Live action Batmen, I think they’re all great. But Tobey is my definitive live action Spidey.

@nerdyoutube7847 11 месяцев назад

I would love more of these hyper specific videos

@muhrukhlisyahidris4059 10 месяцев назад

i agree the sam raimi mask looks more sharp and clean. the webbing really important.

@f7or1n Год назад

The problem is not the mask or the suit, to me it seems like they made all multiversal characters look off for andrew to shine more to be the diamond in the scene when he comes in for people to like him after this film. Look at the villains, how do you explain them looking different ? Please do a video regarding the villains compared to the original ones

@markgundle4150 Год назад

Two words: artistic license.

@ChannelPup Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vSqs4TZ4BtI.html way ahead of you, amigo!

@ajayr1383 Год назад

I don't really think that this is true, but it is interesting that you point out Andrew. He really did look like he came straight from TASM 2. Albeit with more chin stubble but I digress.

@F13FAR0 11 месяцев назад

You think people only loved Garfield after No way home?

@imalexandros3150 11 месяцев назад

I want you to make a video explaining the differences between the suits: 2001 (trailer suit), 2002, 2004, 2007 (red and black), 2021.

@CierNava 11 месяцев назад

Yess!!! MY KIND OF A CHANNEL!! Love discussing details other people, for some reason, seem to not care about at all ❤

@xael1005 11 месяцев назад

When I first saw the difference I sort of automatically assumed it was just a decision made to match him growing older and more mature and becoming less edgy, especially after the symbiote stuff, likely making him was to part ways more with edginess and such and wanting a more approachable appearance.

@jamesoblivion Год назад

I think you nailed it here. I think the No Way Home mask is the result of the film's costume designer looking at the Raimiverse masks, and saying 'Okay, if I'm designing this mask today, how do I approach it?' And her sensibilities as a designer said, this could look cleaner if the webbing was spaced this way, or angled that way, but never wanting to stray too far from the iconic look from those films. And I think the new mask strikes that balance. It has a slightly more modern look, but it's still instantly recognizable as Raimi Spidey. Personally, I still think Andrew Garfield's Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit and mask are the perfect live action Spidey realization, and I think No Way Home did it well, also. But when I was really heavy into Amazing Spider-Man *comics* was during Mark Bagley's run in the 90s, and the ASM 2 suit is like a 90s Bagley Spidey walked off the page. The size and shape and pure whiteness of those eyes were just...perfection.