The Suicide Squad | Empathizing With The Villains (Video Essay) 

How dare u insult suicide squad 2016 its "gods gift"

Spoilers if u haven't seen it but if u had please hear me out) I really enjoyed this movie and at the same time I enjoy the original and hopefully in the future the Ayer cut can be released Also its poetiec how Rick Flag Dies being stabbed through the heart (by peacemaker) in which in the first movie Rick Flag kills enchantress by crushing her heart and at the same time losing his love (not really she lives) that's how you know this is connected to THE SYNDER VERSE also since Zack Synders & Deborah Synder name's appears in the beginning of the film

But it doesn't have a Marvel logo at the beginning.

"Best DCEU film's ever" is completely SUBJECTIVE, hence it's only an OPINION. Not fact.

How is king shark bulletproof but bleed when get bitten by those alien fishes may because they were alien fish

I understood that reference xD

lit as in literally AF

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Well you can say Peacemake and Rick Flag had a heart to heart conversation which ended in leaving Rick Flag in a unSTABle condition .

That fight must have taken up many FILES on the editor’s computers

Bloodsport! And you’re very correct

But like not in any aggressive way she genuinely asks out of curiosity cause she does know how people see them.

love your pfp

Yeah. I feel bad for Starro.

@Diego Moran to add to that starro screams that thinker has his way with it and he makes a chrischan smile at the csmera

I mean, I didn't really care for him, that line sounded cheap for me. He was all "This is my city now" and controlling people left and right, it would've been better if we actually saw him constructing a rocket to go back to space or something like that, to show he was not a parasite who controls people like his comic counterpart.

@@OsSas3 Starro was angry and rage fueled, in it's dying moments it had a final clarity to reveal the core of its pain. People are like that too sometimes

@@Maxisamo1 Bad thing Starro is not a person. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting choice to make him a Frankestein's monster type of villain but it came out of nowhere I couldn't buy it. It must be cause I know his comic counterpart that I didn't cope with that. My point is, they should've spend more time going in that direction than wasting 5 minutes in Harley Quinn's romantic adventure that lead nowhere, maybe use The Thinker more than a exposition guy and explore more of his relation with Starro.

I wont lie. I didnt think Cena could act until that scene. He isnt a shakespearian thespian but he is getting better and better.

What truly showed me he didn't want to kill Flag or Ratcatcher was his choked up "I..I'm thorough" when Cleo ask him why he's gonna kill her.

@@D-Skotes What does it mean "I'm through" ?

@@ulisesdemostenes7074 Thorough means to do something completely not partial so because she was a loose end he had to kill her

I do agree that Ratcatcher isn't a villian. She was definitely done dirty with what happened to her (being arrested and conscripted)

Same goes for Flagg and as far as we know Polka dot man

@@rabidrabids5348 you’re correct she was good kid who was dealt a bad hand and was doing only what she knew! I think that’s why Bloodsport sees his daughter in her because he knows his daughter has been dealt a bad hand with him as her father

@@rennythespaceguy7285 Flagg yes! Although Polka dot man seems like a cool I’m 90% he killed his mother with polka dots I mean seems like she deserved it but still

I agree she was a kid who was dealt a bad hand and was trying to live the only way she knew how and was caught! I honestly think that’s why she reminds Bloodsport of his daughter Tyla because she was dealt a bad hand with him as her father

Honestly so well written and acted

It was so wholesome when Sebastian sat on Bloodsport's leg and he let Jim stay there. Kinda reminded me of rocket letting Drax pet him at the end of GoTG vol 1.

*Book read

How many times am I gonna find you in the comments of the videos I watch ?

@@astrobird11 Who knows man? The algorithm works in mysterious ways. That and we're subsribed to the same people.

"bird"

You had me tripping for a minute, I was like hold on when did I make this comment

Turns out that was the right choice.

Let’s hope we get a team up between the old cast and the new in the next Suicide Squad, helmed by James ofc. Their taking down Waller once and for all

@sweezybones a missed opportunity for sure!

I think it's the right choice

That was actually disputed, Idris Elba said he didn’t want to replace as Deadshot and James Gunn also said it was never the plan. I think that whole rumour came from just came from speculation spiraling. They however do both play very similar characters! :)

Same it bummed me out

He has a son in the comics, I would said that capitan boomerang 2 it's even more important than his father (at least in the comics)

@@gerarquiaFM I mean, Owen has Speed Force powers. Will not be surprised if they will use Owen later as the new Captain Boomerang.

I could say the same with all the characters that got axed in that first bloodbath. They all had quirks and personalities that could be fun to have explored. More personality than most main characters in other franchises. But I much rather have it like that than the usual bland cannonfodder redshirts.

Im pretty sure his death was there to remove a lotta of the squads perceived plot armor.

I saw the fight between the two as Rick facing a mirror of his old self, Peacemaker being the guy who he used to be who only followed Waller’s orders around to the end. He finally went out being the better version of himself who can finally think for himself and see past the black and white of things. Reminds me of Logan vs X-24 tbh

How if they met in the movie? It has to be a prequel since *Spoilers*

@@sammysalgado1475 someone didn’t see the end credit scene

@@bigb5362 just watched it,wtf I went through the credits lol was is the literal last 30 seconds??

@@sammysalgado1475 that's usually how it is lol

I wish he had survived

@@pugman9672 Pokadot man said that he had siblings who were experimented as well so who knows there could be a Pokadot man 2

Honestly he was my favourite, and his death just made me sad like, HE WAS SO HAPPY

Absolutely agree RIP Abner , you are a superhero

That one felt too telegraphed.

I mean mate I tear up at So do we all . All 3 times I've seen it

It's striking to me that Taika had a cameo in this movie because of the similarities in their films. Both directors are very funny and have a lot of heart - getting us to care about misfits and outcasts.

@@methos-ey9nf I've heard he was originally gonna play king shark, but couldn't film it, so James Gunn have him a smaller role

@@joshualunn32 I'm not sure if it was King Shark but James did say that he originally intended to have Taika play a much larger role.

@@LoganSimpkins04 Yeah i could be wrong - still cool to see him in it tho!

Spittin, u right

Correct

Peacemaker = Dad is a Bigot (a Nasi in the Comics) Bloodsport = Dad was abusive, in the comics his brother was Crippled in Vietnam, now updated to have died in the Middle East. King Shark = Dad a went out to buy cigarettes Polka dot man = Mom is a Karen

​@@forickgrimaldus8301 Harley is the most obvious with the theme

Dang bro what did the avengers do to you

@UnknownEX ha we had the opposite opinions

@@notit7904 it’s because these characters could die Not because other heroes are bad

@UnknownEX I don't agree at all. Maybe it is just not your sort of comedy? I was laughing trough all the movie, is just extremely different from many other movies. And don't get me wrong, I love Harley, but among the other charchters she defently was the one that stood out less for me (even tou she is great and the actress is amazing)

An unstoppable duo

Milton? who's Milton

@@yaswante4105 You know, Milton Milton.

Milton would destroy him

Slipknot was doomed from the start. It was obvious he existed to die. Milton had a chance we all know there is a script where he helps fight Starro and survives. Release the Milton Cut!

I guess it’s shows the Peacemaker wasn’t entirely cold-blooded. Unlike that ice queen, Amanda Waller!

When his lips started trembling as he was about to kill RC2 god damn that shit had me on the edge of my seat

@@s0api__229 right!!! Made the scene so intense

so you mean a heroic douche

@@irrelevanttroll3312 Wonderfully appropriate description.

James Gunn basically made the majority of his movie into the bar scene, as in he gradually inserted moments of team bonding from start to finish so that at the end we all finally got a clear picture of who these characters are and why we should care about them. Whereas in SS that bar scene was a very small bit in between scenes of half assed team chemistry and messy film editing, we just didn’t get enough of it

i thought el diablo was the only well written character and maybe aslong with deadshot. other than that, 2016 ss was shit.

Making me remember that at one point... George Miller was supposed to direct Justice League. Before WB opted for Snyders attempt... And then fumbled again with recutting that. I mean. I am kind of glad that we got Fury Road instead. But imagine Miller handling the JLA? That would have been quite a ride.

You should watch the snyder cut, that film is amazing

@@fredrickartyom snyder movies are grey filter movies that his fans thinks that his movies are dark and gritty

Supposedly when James Gunn started production on Guardians 1, he started by building the production design and color palette from the ground up. No washed out browns, greys, or blacks: he wanted bold colors that POP.

@@fredrickartyom i think it’s a great movie but the color grading is kinda ugly

Who’s Milton?

@@rydo728 he was with them since the beginning, how can you not know Milton, they even had a whole talk about it :)

@@rydo728 Bloodsport

ikr

@@Johsther thats not his actual name fyi (im saying this because you sounded so serious)

Same Ratcatcher 2 is so well done thanks to James’ writing and Daniela Melchior’s excellent acting

You could say that they're "far from home" **wink**

@@wiratamadean5994 different brand but the joke is appreciated. You could say that when the “heroes” showed up they had… “No Way Home”

@@PaRadaRada I think death was mercy for Starro but Steppenwolf's death was pure, 360 degree humiliation

This film elevated him from a mere caretaker to an actual leader

That's really cool, too bad WB fucked with that movie so much I wouldn't mind seeing the Ayer cut as well

SKWAD?

now they should have a new one that says "D SKWAD"

You know what's funny....Gunn's acknowledgement of how the superhero genre is getting repetitive. The first time Synder tried to revolutionise the genre, he received backlash. Starting his superheroes as these morally gray characters and growing them into being the heroes they are. The best critic of a character or let's say human beings in general are when they are in the tough spot, when they are in the darkest of the days. There's this awesome quote from amazing Spiderman "Anyone can win a fight when the odds are easy! It's when the going's tough - when there seems to be no chance - that's when it counts!" That's when, we can truly understand and connect when the characters are really going through something cuz the fact is people right now are suffering daily, dying left and right. People dealing with traumas of their past lives, their sins of the society and country etc...they understand pain and that's the reality not the illusion rich people indulge in their mansions. Only a temporary pleasure turned dust when real life begins...that's pain. We need to start making superheroes exploring these genres, instead of making a comedy fest every FUCKING TIME... Hence why I can connect with most DC stories and thankfully even in the mainstream media...becuz of how they capitalise on the concept of pain, hardship and overcoming adversity. I am not saying, it's bad to make movies that are fun...but atp we have enough of them. Thanks to the MCU but even then if you wanna make movies that are a comedy fest capitalise on the heroes/villians overcoming adversity personally and socially. Cuz the society, the culture and people are much of a character as the heroes

Let’s hope this continues with the Batman. After watching good time I think Pattinson can pull it off.

@@tauhid9983 I disagree on Snyder but I do agree with you on the MCU's humour. At their best, comedy is used to show the characters attempt at levity during a tense moment, as a façade, and simply part of the characters' quirks. Recently, they feel corporate-mandated to squeeze some chuckle from the audiences because they fear the scene's getting boring.

@@peterfrank3365 yes I guess that corporate mandate to force in humour becomes the weight that would eventually crush them. That’s why stories that are more serious like the Cap trilogy or TFAWS. Is a lot more fun ironically. I know the TDK trilogy revolutionised the idea of superhero genre with the serious dark tone and MCU with their fun comedy but MCU has been doing that for more than a decade…it’s time we go back to old school. Also kinda curious about what you disagree on my argument of synder. I was just saying that one of the main critic of synder movies is that it’s not fun and colourful….and that everthing was moody and serious. Ppl were looking for a marvel movie hence was disappointed. But ppl dont realise that the moody atmosphere was necessary for the storytelling. At least that’s what I see lol

​@@tauhid9983 i think people are fine with dark and serious, the whole superhero movie industry literally changed because of the dark knight series, people just used that reason to hate snyder's movies because snyder's movies are really flawed, not bad, flawed, there's good stuff there, but the arc of the superheroes in it are too slow and is in reverse of the mcu, snyders character arc are like going from an empty puzzle to a full puzzle in 3 movies, batman isnt batman till the snydercut, superman isnt superman till the snydercut and lex luthor just became like comic book luthor till the very end of justice league, unlike the mcu who completes the puzzle in the character's first movie and adds more pieces along the way. People are comfortable with snyder's dark theme, hell, people couldve been fine with batman killing if it like had a reason on his arc (which it did, but was never really put on to light). people just want to recognize the character they payed to watch and snyder didnt do that very well till it was too late.

That shit hurted, if only Katana had his front ._.

He thought he was slick

I feel like someone's gonna dogpile on you about gender politics but I think referring to Starro as "they" is actually pretty fair. Starro is a hivemind and the central body doesn't have any defined sex.

Same

Kinda disappointed that the soundtrack for this didn't get the kind of push that SS and BOP did. Both films were heavily backed and promoted by their soundtracks, and even if this movies soundtrack was good, I feel as though they didn't care to promote it as much as either of those films. It's a little disappointing considering its the best of the lot.

@@Josef_Stryker Yes 👍. Nice to meet you! Happy weekend, my friend

I think that they should've made rick flag as bloodsport since in the comics, bloodsport became who he is after his brother died fighting for the country.. Would make more sense to why he was so triggered after finding out abt project starfish. It's such a waste that they made Idris Elba's character to have the same story as will Smith's deadshot.. The scene where he decides to save the city could've given deadshot an arc. Plus, WB couldn't care less abt making the prequel of how superman went to the icu.. Last but not least, it would've given more stakes to the actual "main" or badass characters in the movie. N that's fair for Polka-dot Man. Rip milton🙏

Same honestly Ratcatcher 2 was the only who really is not a terrible person I mean she never swears and doesn’t kill a human! And I agree although polka dot mans seems like a cool dude he probably totally killed his mother

Agreed. And I was legitimately hurt when Rick was killed. The way he was characterized here was excellent, especially his relationship with Harley. Made me really enjoy him.

I also appreciate that it's later contrasted with seeing him at the aquarium, where he is again (briefly) separated from another world by a glass window.

Same she is an amazing character I honestly would love to see again as well but honestly if it’s a project done by James Gunn I’m not saying Daniela Melchior wouldn’t kill it the role if she was in a movie by another person she would but the project on the whole would be another story plus James’s writing and Daniela’s acting work perfectly together

@2 gamer bros I’m an MCU fanboy but I gotta say I’m a little more excited for DC projects

@@spider-man6060 I like MCU but right now the whole Thanos Arc had ended and they need something new to keep people interested because Black Widow is a bad film. Their TV shows are kinda good but some are mediocre well maybe the exception of Loki

@2 gamer bros honestly the multiverse will end up killing dc. DC's biggest issue is their best stuff is in different universes, fans are getting confused and they are less interested when characters are done multiple times. The multiverse should mean better films but it just means they will all be in different universes. With the mcu, we got to see the heroes interact and the overall story build up but with dc, we won't see any of it and even if they do cross characters over, it just won't feel the same. I'd much rather they just cancelled everything and rebooted one more time and did dc properly in 1 universe cause its just a huge mess.

Honestly I'll prefer if there is a multiverse but is never used as a plot point

@@luke5930 that way of thinking is what makes it impossible nowadays to have a new “The Dark Knight” or a “Spiderman 2”. We don’t need to have the biggest crossovers of all time in cinema to get a great movie. Things don’t need to scale so much we are left hanging like we are right now with Marvel. Self contained stories are full of heart and can carry as much story as the convoluted ones e got in the last decade. It isn’t going to destroy DC if they want to be different from their rival’s right now. It’s just a different approach to telling stories.

@scamanderous that milton milton.

@scamanderous milton is bloodsport.

Great Acting by Cena i wasn't expecting that from him

That would've honestly ruined the whole movie I don't even care

why on earth would you watch that abomination 6 times???

Not in David Ayer's cut.

I think Ratcatcher 2 said in the bus scene to Bloodsport that she came to America from Portugal broke and alone after her dad died so she robbed a bank or attempted to rob one to have some money but was caught. Polka Dot man is implied to have killed some people either as an accidental dot expulsion or because he went into a “strangers are my mom” headspace. I may be wrong though, I only saw it once.

Ratcatcher 2 bank robbery Polka dot man probably killed his mom

Ratcatcher crime is bank robbery

How low are your standards for Snyder Cut to be a masterpiece? It was fine but masterpiece....

@@nms7872 my opinion

I mean it was great, sure but masterpiece? Maybe you should watch other movies mate