The whole point of Epic is Odysseus learning to embrace ruthlessness in order to get home and protect his family and people. It would lose a lot of its impact and meaning if he didn't "work the knife" a bit to make the story dark.
@@somethingfluffy8674 Oh, Antinous is the name of one of the suitors of Odysseus’ wife Peneople during the Odyssey. One of the major ringleaders of the suitors, Antinous was the most vicious and outright demanding of Penelope’s hand. Him and the rest of the suitors who followed him were so dangerous to Odysseus, the only way he could safely return to Ithaca and not be killed on-sight was if he disguised himself as a beggar and use sabotage to ultimately defeat the suitors and reclaim his throne. In this musical, he’s portrayed as brutish as his Homeric poem version, if not WORSE, because here he’s not just willing to brutally murder Telemachus, but he also wants to have his way with Penelope and force himself on the throne. In another song, when Telemachus makes the mistake of standing up to him, Antinous uses it to mock the prince, beat him up, and nearly kills him in front of the entire entourage of suitors, if not the entire court of Ithaca. Not exactly a nice thing to do, especially to your stepson, but Telemachus represents a potential succession crisis should he come of age to rule, and Antinous and the rest of the suitors don’t want that, so the suitors wanting to kill Telemachus (and Odysseus and Telemachus ultimately having a father-son killing spree on the suitors) fits into the play’s theme of “ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves”. Yes, Poseidon is justifiably Odysseus’ main enemy through the overall story. However, Antinous is the main enemy who awaits him back home, because the psycho wants him and his son dead so he can rule Ithaca.
@@WriterKing92 hey so I'm just getting into this story. You seem like you know a lot about this. If Penelope is married, why are there suitors to come take her hand? Did something happen to Odysseus
Love how he actually kind of exposes his intentions accidentally by saying "Only the ocean and I will know". That's impossible since the other suitors are supposed to be the ones holding telemachus while he kills him. Unless of course he is planning to get rid of them later one by one.
Hearing this, yeah. I totally TOTALLY understand why Odyessus goes ABSOLUTELY feral and merciless with his attack. Because the suitors were going to be just as merciless with his family.
I was like ha Odysseus is gonna fu*k this dude up man should've stop worrying about another man's wife and focus on how he's gonna fight the dude whos got the godess of strategy looking out for him been fighting since day one took on a minor godess and won , chose not to kill a cyclops, disrespected tf out of poseidon , stayed loyal while a whole ass godess begged him for love dude is a warrior of the mind good luck thinking some dudes who can't even string a bow are going to take him out. (Yes I know he thinks Odysseus is dead but surely you would still prepare incase that happens lol to be fair the idea of taking over did just now come to him😂)
DamN YES, THE LAST PART (well here the first) is really what sets the suitors as real monsters, like damn, they were a treath to Telemachus, Ithaca BUT IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH???? that's a good chracter building, must be a damn pain to sing though :")
I haven't read the Odyssey yet so I thought Odysseus and Telemachus all slaughtering all the suitors was a bit of an overreaction, but yeah. I definitely get it now.
“Hold him down while I slowly break his pride, his trust, his faith and his bones” I genuinely don’t know what’s more horrifying: that or Antinous’s plans for Penelope
Definitely Penelope imo , because when you die, that’s it, you’re dead. But being raped and kept alive means you have to live with that trauma for the rest of your life.
I think it’s not on the good order. Like the first part with the SA is obviously at the end of the song. Regardless thanks for the edit it’s so great to hear them together ! It’s already one of my favourite song of the musical, such a « good » vilain song. The suitors are asshole but their song is a banger ! So thank you
I suppose this about stringing the bow is another song, it starts like an a new song, right after Penelope talking about stringing the bow. Was Telemachus at home then? He is obvously not during the third song, so it cant happen in any order. But also "hold us down" sounds like it is reprise, since it is "hold us down" and probably original is hold someone else down...
@@fiedyasolyetov5763nono, this is song 37/40, and song 36 is about the challenge Penelope arranges, they had to string Odysseus bow and shoot cleanly through twelve axes (a feat only he can do) and because they're unable to do that they turn to force. from what we now till now there's no "this song (reprise)", there are moments that work like a reprise, but not whole songs
Its amazing how well jay captures emotion and how you can really picture the scene while listening to the songs,i can wait to be blasting these songs when they come out
“only the ocean and i will know” yeah- look i know poseidon hates his ass but it is still his son, something both of them have in common; they’ll beat yer ass
Odysseus did things somewhat similar during the IlIad, like when they took the youngest son of the King of Troy and kill him throwing him stones before the gates
@@BlazinIceLionTriggers tend to be based on things you've actually been through (not always hence the gore warning but generally) and SA tends to be one of the biggest ones that gets peopke sadly
I think the second clip goes first, as it makes sense, then the third, and then the first. IDK, it makes more sense in my opinion, cause it reinforces the (insert thing) "hold 'em down", then repeat, and then so on. Again, this is *my* opinion, if you think otherwise, give me your reasons, lmao (this song is SO fucking good man, I LOVE IT)
Why do i always find the villains incredibly attractive? Is that a red flag ? This song is an absolute masterpiece and headbanger. I can’t wait to see this on stage 🥵
