The Suspension Trick Teams Are Using For A Top Speed Advantage

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The Suspension Trick Teams Are Using For A Top Speed Advantage
In this video, we dive into the latest buzz in the Formula 1 world: the suspension trick that teams are using to gain a top speed advantage! Discover how this innovative technique is giving certain teams a crucial edge on the track. We'll break down the mechanics behind this suspension setup, explore which teams are utilizing it to their benefit, and analyze its impact on race performance.
-An explanation of the suspension trick
-Insights into how it works and why it boosts top speed
-Teams that are leading the way with this technology
-The potential implications for the rest of the season
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@jeffsteyn7174 23 дня назад

So from what i remember. Redbull showed the suspension to the fia to confirm it was legal. This was from 2022 already. So im not sure what experts are saying its illegal. Theres a difference between illegal and a loophole.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Agreed

@Andre_The_Millennial 23 дня назад

Anything Red Bull does is considered illegal in the minds of a *certain* group of people.

@stephensegal5187 23 дня назад

As a Racer, it's Your JOB to exploit the rules all the way into the very darkest regions of "The grey area"..... 😂

@TheMrakic 23 дня назад

or perhaps when it comes to RB they are not so thorough. past few seasons showed this perfectly

@QuotidianStupidity 23 дня назад

A loop hole is a grey area not being exploited. In the rules it explicitly states the suspension cannot be used in this way (as was discussed in the video). That’s why CS says it “should” be illegal.

@diejwba469 23 дня назад

So mclarens engineers are just goated then for not using this and still being quick 😂

@justincharles6585 23 дня назад

Correct

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

It’s just that much more impressive for there efficiency

@tunisiandom9318 23 дня назад

the Ferrari SF-75 in 2022 was as fast as RB and they had a totally ddifferent concept (outwash) compared to Red Bull (Downwash) ... that's until the TD39 fucked that concept up. It is to say, a solution may be fast at a X time in development, but it may hit earlier development wall than another in which case it turns out that concept does not have as high a ceiling as others.

@orio_3 23 дня назад

Well it allows more budget to be used to develop other areas more

@ballparkjebusite 23 дня назад

They’ll get busted soon actually

@kevinamery5922 23 дня назад

If I'm interpreting this correctly, they've found a combination that allows the springs to be soft enough that the aero load at high speeds on the straight is enough to compress the suspension to lower the rear, while still maintaining enough side-to-side stiffness to avoid having too much roll in cornering (possibly by making the springs softer than the other teams but making the anti-roll bars stiffer). This would be "legal" due to it not being something that they turn on or off on demand -- it's that soft all the time, but the only time the load gets high enough to compress the rear down is when the speed is high (on the straights or in very fast sweepers) while at lower speeds the springs are strong enough to maintain a higher ride height. I put "legal" in quotes because it's probably not what the FIA want. But as Horner has said before, there's no such thing as the spirit-of-the-rules, there's only the rules-as-written.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

You got it down and it seems like most people do believe it’s legal

@afrofantom6631 23 дня назад

f1 moistcritikal back again lmaoo

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁❤️💚

@afrofantom6631 23 дня назад

@@F1Unchained na but fr you've helped me get into the dev war this year so thanks for the updates 👍

@JamesAndrew01 23 дня назад

@@afrofantom6631 100% This guy and his upgrade videos are peak F1 content

@afrofantom6631 23 дня назад

@@JamesAndrew01 and long may they continue 😂☝️🔥🔥

@mrbungle3310 23 дня назад

more like Keanu Reeves

@tehbankiat2596 23 дня назад

When one part been using for several years by RB and FIA have noticed and did not take any action so meaning consider legal. The question is why during Prancing Horse win any of race suddenly have lots of topic to discus and seem like they want to turn the ball up side down, so this is all about😂?

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

This is true

@DemijanJuric 23 дня назад

I think it is a combination of antiroll bars in order to keep the ride height up in corners and the main spring trick. In the section you showed it says multiple springs may be combined in series or parallel. Putting different springs and a bumpstop in between is a very neat but known trick.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Agreed and well said

@pizza8031 23 дня назад

This is why I’m a builder these engineers are on another level

@joshualayfield2294 22 дня назад

Just a little CAD and a lot of coke 😋

@pizza8031 22 дня назад

@@joshualayfield2294 😂😂 alright ima try.

@10sukhwinder 23 дня назад

It’s not a trick it’s innovation and most of the vehicle dynamicist knows these damper and spring configurations

@haydenparsons5783 23 дня назад

i love creative interpretations of the rules. its one of the reasons why i really like aston martin, they seem to be really creative on the interpretation of the rules, look at the T bar, hungarian rear wing from 2022, the rear t wing that hasnt been used, and seemingly the new wing. i wonder how many other "creative" interpretations of the rules theyve got for their car

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

True they have been able to figure stuff out but would be nice if they were first on it

@muhidnaveed2617 23 дня назад

Aston Martin just copy other teams hopefully this changes in 2026

@stephensegal5187 23 дня назад

The creativity in interpretation and design is what drives Me in F1. The second it becomes too restrictive, and becomes like a Spec Class, I'm out.

@timstratton9 22 дня назад

I absolutely love your channel, the information, depth of detail and brevity and quality of explanation are spot on. Keep killing it!

@F1Unchained 22 дня назад

always my friend

@magicjack4076 23 дня назад

I don’t really think it seems to be super important? Just need good aero efficiency as McLaren has decent top speed since the upgrades.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

McLaren definitely makes everyone else question it

@deweberis2709 23 дня назад

Ferrari is using pasta components: Fusilli springs and Fettuccine suspension arms. Also the wing planes are built with delicate Lasagna pasta. 🤔

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

A proper car

@user-yj1pv1yz3b 23 дня назад

Bellisimo

@justincharles6585 23 дня назад

As F1 gods intended 🤌🏾

@francescotrombetta8548 23 дня назад

As funny as a dog having a s on someone's feet

@andrepizzutodesignprincipl8526 23 дня назад

I love how much thought and depth goes into these videos. I always look forward to your next one.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

I try to make it as informative as possible but entertaining as well ❤️

@greenlantern7959 23 дня назад

Absolute A-plus tech content, teams finding these corners of the regs is a core of F1, love to see it.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

:) makes me happy to hear that my friend

@Snazzy16 23 дня назад

I was waiting for you to make a video on this! Thought it was super interesting. Great video!!

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁❤️❤️

@8power0 23 дня назад

THAT WAS SO INTERESTING ,,,,,,,,,, PLEASE I HOPE THERE IS MORE INPUT ON THIS SUBJECT THIS IS WHAT MAKES A GREAT F1 NEWS CHANNEL THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

@jeanmakita3839 23 дня назад

Bro man, I LOVE this channel. When everyone else is going rumors and drama you focus on F1. Thank you! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

My guy 😁❤️

@jonSLAYR 23 дня назад

I will finally be going to my first in person race in Austin this year, can’t wait! My bucket list race to attend is Singapore 🇸🇬

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Would love to see Singapore

@patrickoceon 23 дня назад

Austin is incredible! One of the greatest! Singapore is awesome with great ambience with vacation accommodations. Both are hot AF especially extreme humid Singapore.

@crztank9298 23 дня назад

Just stumbled on this vid. The 'trick' wasn't outlawed in 2022. What was deleted for 2022 was inerters. This doesn't stop them using geometry that they used in 2021 and earlier. It isn't a system, it's a simple manupulation of how the aero loads are transmitted through bell cranks to the heave spring.

@muhammad.mohsen 22 дня назад

I saw scrabs tweet yesterday, but I didn't know what exactly he was talking about...Thanks a lot for the explainer and I love the expansion in content...Looking forward for more

@Djgarey14 23 дня назад

Top notch quality and extremely entertaining video my friend. As always 👏

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

❤️❤️ thank you my friend

@Grylliade3 23 дня назад

Torsion Bars are olde school isn’t it? Newey always finds inspiration from the past!

@user-manjotsingh 23 дня назад

Thank you brother for giving us such an informative content

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁❤️

@mesterorange8181 23 дня назад

Amazing!!!!!!! Did not knew about this 😮😮😮

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁❤️

@prongATO 23 дня назад

The creative solutions and different ways to interpret the rules are what makes F1 so much different than every other racing series, IMO. I am an engineer (electrical) and fell in love with F1 for this reason, bleeding edge engineering all over the car with practical application to road cars (KERS, hybrid system, where road cars natural progression SHOULD be, not full electric).

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Agreed my friend big time

@kTomTV 23 дня назад

The reason I can think this is legal is from one sentence in the original article: "At higher speeds and downforce, the ground clearance maintains a predetermined minimum to achieve optimal downforce for fast corners. Only at maximum load on straights does the suspension bottom out, causing airflow separation." This is similar to some of the flexible wing elements you see on camera shots. In short, at higher speeds the downforce compresses the wing elements to get better aero, lower speeds the fins lift up to get better downforce. Same here with the suspension, on the straights where the top speeds are highest, they're letting the downforce bottom out the suspension for better drag in high speeds. In low speeds, less compression means the ride height comes back up.

@EversonBernardes 23 дня назад

Yup, the only thing the regulations state is that you can even use multiple elements for the spring assembly _as long as the load/compression relationship is monotonic_ i.e. it shouldn't have two or more distinct compression regimens.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

I did see some people saying this as well!

@petersieper 23 дня назад

Good analysis. So the suspension hopefully bottoms out at max load in DRS? Would that mean it has a bottom out point in NonDRS also?

@petersieper 23 дня назад

Does the beam wing change position relative to the diffuser under load as well?

@kTomTV 23 дня назад

@@petersieper from what I’ve seen, the beam wing isn’t as flexible as some of the wing elements, their differentiation there is having the rear wing, beam wing, and rear diffuser working in tandem to make most out of the DRS being on or off.

@michaeltelfer3483 23 дня назад

Hopefully they dont remove it like they did with the floor mounting stuff for Ferrari in 2022. Banning any form of inovation is just boring imo. Also why is now an issue that Ferrari have mastered it

@joshualayfield2294 22 дня назад

That's why it's an issue. They can stand to see us at the top.

@dhavalnandanwar6461 23 дня назад

Man with no haters ❤️

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁❤️

@Alex.The.Lionnnnn 22 дня назад

I'm just amazed that Keanu has a brother so much younger than him, and that he's so into F1!

@stephensegal5187 23 дня назад

I'm not going to get into the "nitty gritty" of how all of this can work, but I will give you an insightful example.... When you design the actual profile of a torsion bar blade, there is an opportunity to shape the suspensions reactive characteristics within its window of operation (like 1.25 total inches of travel) by the actual materials used, the level of heat treatment, and the actual design of the profile of the blade itself. ..... In other words, in an anti-sway bar as my example, a titanium bar would react very differently as compared to a chrome moly torsion sway bar, and two identical profile chrome moly bars with different heat treatment can act very differently also. Thats as far as I am going with this today..... I hope you find it insightful. Seems like Fredarri has been doing Their homework lately.

@benben3409 23 дня назад

8:00. In that shot the car looks so pretty

@neilpateldpt 23 дня назад

Im excited to see what your analysis of the new regs are when they release. If you were to make a video that is!

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

I hope so I’m really excited but also nervous

@Vegenks 23 дня назад

I was under the impression that torsion springs have been the standard sense the benneton days sorry if I spelled that wrong. Very interesting to see that is not the case keep up the Great content!!

@BrownHotPot0096 23 дня назад

I feel like if Aston can change their suspension, it will all work together (fix rear tire degradation )

@TWIlktitbliktvim-ty7td 23 дня назад

they just need to un-update their car first

@AZBCDEE 23 дня назад

Aston should fix their driver line up One is a washed fraud who only thinks in his head that he’s better and then gets p20 And another is a pay driver that’s made to make the finished wet wipe look ‘good’ with his P20. 😂😂

@8tonystark8 23 дня назад

*Astroll

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

There is so much wrong with the car but yeah that’s part of it

@niconutz898 23 дня назад

50k coming up fast my man! 😎👍

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁❤️❤️❤️

@doorkman13 23 дня назад

These are the type of things that make me think that teams have an engineer with a law background or the other way around.

@sleepypixie8828 23 дня назад

What's your thoughts on fia investigating mclaren and mercedes' fuel pumps?

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

I think it’s just to be safe

@CouryCD 23 дня назад

I wonder if it’s working better on the Farrari because they are using a pull rod rear suspension instead of push like on the Red Bull 🤔

@paualdinicola 23 дня назад

Good morning buddy!

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Good morning my friend 😁

@bluedott7956 23 дня назад

Wasn't one of the priority's of mercedes top speed? like in bahrain and saudi they were pretty quick? And now people say they are struggling

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

They are still in a much better spot then last year

@sinking1902 23 дня назад

They’re much better than last year it’s just so are Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari.

@karlosss1868 23 дня назад

I kind of wish you had shown with more detail how the system actually works.

@slaphands7703 23 дня назад

Commenting for the algorithm.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

❤️❤️

@midas7394 23 дня назад

Good presentation. RB has managed to discover how to extract the maximum out of their car while cleverly hiding how they did it for so long. ha-ha Years ago, Ferrari came up with a brilliant idea to boost the engine power & got away with it until the F1 management found out it and ruled that controlled 'burning of engine oil' to boost power was illegal.

@emzzmm4421 23 дня назад

When did they introduce this? Why was it never a problem until now

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

It’s been talked about now recently but been a thing since 2022

@whydoyoulie2340 23 дня назад

Hi, huge fan here from China based in Australia. I'm a bit concerned. Did you edit these clips in the video by yourself? Cuz I feel like one of the small F1 content creators on Bilibili is using the clips in your video, re-ordering them, putting his subtitles on and posting. His video content is pretty similar to yours, and obviously he posted later than you. So... I've had multiple suspicions before that he might be copying you, but I haven't got time to verify that. Lemme know if you wanna check it out, I can send you the link.

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Hi my friend and yes I edit it them all myself. I wouldn’t be surprised I’ve honestly been copied by multiple people but thank you for the concern ❤️

@whydoyoulie2340 22 дня назад

@@F1Unchained no worries man, keep up the good work. Love the content.🥰

@Nicks62999 23 дня назад

Just found your channel today, consider me subscribed

@nilesanders5110 23 дня назад

Indycars have been using the weightjacker to lower the rear of the car for years. Especially in qualifying.

@John333Scout 23 дня назад

Why was Ferrari slow in the straights in Imola then, but they seemed to know why and should have it fixed for Canada .... not needed in Monaco

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

I think that was with how they used there ers and not optimizing the upgrades

@nakulanand4419 23 дня назад

Wear a stake tshirt for the next video so that carlos finally gets the motivation to sign the contract ;)

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Maybe LOL

@Luke-en2tk 23 дня назад

So this sounds a bit like what MotoGP use in that the rider/driver has a button to lower the rear suspension coming onto straights. In GP it's hydraulically activated or maybe they are using a different method 🤔. Motogp is banning ride height devices for 2027 though

@joshualayfield2294 22 дня назад

Not what thats saying. Its saying there can't be springs in the back that have a purpose other than normal purposes. The "trick" is only a byproduct of the more efficient system, rather than an effect of a system that isnt intended to compress/expand with the tyres.

@Dyils 22 дня назад

4:30 Not true, Red Bull has one of the highest cars in 2022. They only managed to lower it this much after the floor edges were lifted by that change for 2023 and then became a monster.

@mrbungle3310 23 дня назад

i still dont get how it is legal but it is what it is

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

That’s for the f1 teams to find out

@Magoooster 22 дня назад

Are you going to make a video about new regulations

@F1Unchained 22 дня назад

working on it

@PhO3NiX96 23 дня назад

Reading the sporting regulation, I don't see why it would be illegal

@yusufdindar_ 23 дня назад

❤

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

❤️

@rushabhsheth2850 23 дня назад

Aren’t experts 2 years too late?

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

I guess so

@grahamwilson8563 19 дней назад

The redbull and Mercedes from 2021 with the car dropping at the rear end on the suspension

@beckadg1806 23 дня назад

👍🥰

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

❤️

@laneweaver3562 23 дня назад

Fluid isn't allowed but maybe gas is?

@mesterorange8181 23 дня назад

Hello my friend, dont want to bother, but if you could read what i said in the last video ill be very happy ❤

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Will look at it right now :)

@crztank9298 23 дня назад

Mclaren has been using torsion springa for decades and use the bloody gearbox from Merc so Mclaren are doing it if Merc are

@mikevandervegt 23 дня назад

🙋🏼‍♀

@seamussynnott921 23 дня назад

1 weird suspension trick the FIA doesn't want you to know

@NOBODY-ed5ye 22 дня назад

so McLaren is just goated btw mom F1 Jesus just posted again

@TheFrippelGarage 23 дня назад

Sorry, but i didnt get it ... What was the trick?

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

It’s within the suspension and what decision they make. One gives more top speed but is less predictable which is what Red Bull and Ferrari are using. While mclaren for example has stuck with the more predictable part of its chassis. Red Bull and Ferrari are able to lower there rear on the straights, but also keep a higher ride height for the curbs. Similar to what teams in 2021 were doing

@hansvanlennep6376 23 дня назад

I kinda agree with the above comment. There is a lot of commenting on the fact that there is "a trick", but no explanation of what the actual trick is (how does it work)? My only assumption is that, from a technical perspective, you actually don't know. Did you do proper background research on this topic? Do you know anyone that knows how the trick works from a technical perspective? Look, I have seen some of your videos and you come across as a fan that likes to report about F1. That's commendable and I think its brave what you are trying to do, but I feel that if you want to bring your vids to the next level, you need more technical input. Maybe invite guests? That would be cool!

@diegomarche 22 дня назад

Interesting, but on camera it doesn't look anything similar to what Mercedes had in the old rules.

@LimitPro1 23 дня назад

Seeing how close McLaren is to Redbull I don't think it gives that much of an advantage instead it looks more detrimental on performance instead

@AccordGTR 2 дня назад

This is not a trick nor is it illegal. Using conventional springs or suspension to tune down force is allowed, he said it in his video. This is just clickbait. Softening springs or torsion bars will compromise corner speed in smooth pavement but can make it easier to jump the bumps.

@booyah8848 22 дня назад

NASCAR is doing the same thing

@slopat2503 23 дня назад

Going for a John Wick look? 😉

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

He is a stylish man 😉

@02WB86 23 дня назад

thank you for your informative and entertaining content as usual F1 moistcritical

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

Always 💚💚

@AlexAlex-rf8hm 23 дня назад

Now that most teams caught up to Red Bull’s trick, let’s make it illegal without taking back their championships. What a bunch of bs

@MrPwncake 23 дня назад

How to tell someone is a delulu cult member

@AlexAlex-rf8hm 23 дня назад

@@MrPwncakeexplain yourself

@Crispkind 23 дня назад

@@AlexAlex-rf8hm He doesn't need to and you need to learn how stuff works in Motorsport.

@cameronfarrell9076 22 дня назад

@@Crispkind How to tell if someone is a max stan

@funnyshorts6830 22 дня назад

Illegal my ass. This has been done since the early 2000s. Then Mercedes brought it back in 2021 and then RedBull now.

@willyariole9472 23 дня назад

1st one

@crztank9298 23 дня назад

The more I listen the worse it gets.

@rubiksgaming358 23 дня назад

first?

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁

@tobiastran9525 23 дня назад

First!!!

@mertsivalerius2306 23 дня назад

First

@F1Unchained 23 дня назад

😁

@SilverScarletSpider 23 дня назад

This is why a top team like Mercedes and Red Bull will never lose to pathetic teams like Williams, Haas, and Sauber

@AZBCDEE 23 дня назад

No wins for crylonso still 😂😂😂😂

@AuslanIz 23 дня назад

Is easy to spot when Red Bull started using it. When you saw that they could pass anyone at higher speeds braking late in the inside of the curve when nobody could. Everyone was going to the outside of the curve to get more angle the make the turn. And the FIA has been in it, helping them with this "charade of F1" that we have last 3 years. No, is not fair that the FIA allowed them to get away with it. And we should stop being their clowns in this bad, and boring circus!