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fuck you guys seriously fuck you stop spreading bullshit their are people who can not get have a console seriously i havent gamed in 7 years because i have a career and kids and now what you want this to fail
I'm the opposite. As a single player gamer who doesn't replay games & don't care about achievements, I like "renting" games. What I usually do is I buy a single player game secondhand and immediately after l've finished playing it, I sell it to other people. Sometimes I sell for the same amount I bought, meaning I don't actually spend money on the game. Most times, I sell for about $5 cheaper than I bought it for. To have a monthly subscription based platform where I can get a lot of games (need to be good quality games) is perfect for me.
@@akmal94ibrahim you definitely play more casually than others. You see it as a one off thing per game whereas many others see it a money for fun and time investment. The stadia suits neither. It isnt netflix for games, you buy the games and you cant rent or sell them either, and if your internet is shit, or the data caps be restricting, too bad. You have absolutely nothing.
@@tavianarmstrong974 Yea, forgot to add that I'm not for Stadia. Thought it was gonna be a Netflix for games but now knowing that I have to buy the game (and can't resell it), I'm disappointed. Was talking about and hoping for something like what Xbox has but with more good games.
Stadia requires internet... But Sam's argument is that I should use Stadia for single-player games... But I get single-player games to play offline.... 🤔
Yah I don’t know why anyone who play a single player game on this. You don’t need internet and you own it vs needing internet with latency and not own it. Just to what? Save a little hard drive space or not carry a game with you?
The point is that, with single-player games, the latency (although is a issue) is not that of a big problem... So play them on Stadia wouldn't be so bad (apart from the data consumption, of course), comparable with an online multiplayer game, where latency would be horrible for the experience (again, apart from the data consumption).
Bethesda turning it's back on its own mod community was stupid, not only that they often created better fixes & were more creative, responsive to what player's wanted.
Mods are the opportunity for community-created content to compensate for resource-limited developers. When all mods are gone, the risk-averse industry will stagnate and die. Modders don’t have to answer to shareholders and are free to experiment with no financial consequences to publishers. This means that community-created content also provides FREE R&D to developers. Finally, community-created content (mods) extend the shelf-life of a game. This one is seen as a huge NOPE! to myopic developers/publishers as the current video game business model consists of: maximize purchases in launch window and then trickle out some more content that charges consumers additional, post-sale fees. Once the “DLC” stops meeting the KPI expectations of the developers/publishers, sunset the game and start the cycle anew with another over-priced title.
It's almost like nobody notice how god-awful the input lag was when they showed Assasins creed during the Stadia reveal. Seriously you need to watch the guy try to move the camera, it takes like a complete 1.5-2 seconds to register
Right now if my internet goes down, i can still game, if psn goes down, i can still game, if both go down i can still game. With stadia, if one of them goes down, u cannot game! That goes for cloud gaming in general!
as a gamer who have used onlive, ps now and geforce now I would add one thing to your list. The stability of the network connection changes - the gaming experience suffers a lot.
@@livinginpatheticera3867 Small amounts of money exchanged over a long period of time cause people to ignore the bigger picture. MTX are designed to be apart of the game play loop, to alter your value structure in regards to the game. MTX is a different animal. But for a gaming PLATFORM it's different. The upfront cost for hardware, plus subscription, plus buying full price games that you will never own and could be shut down at any time.
@Irish Jester you have more power when you own a game than when you rent a game... Sure there's plenty of throw away titles out there, I tend to avoid purchasing those games since they're usually a quick cash grab. For those titles I rent, if available or borrow from a friend. I have thousands of hours played on some games, hundreds of hours played on dozens of games, and very few games I own are one and done's. I can see the appeal of having access to a library of games for a monthly fee, but such an endeavor will have so many strings attached in order to make it profitable.
@Irish Jester you keep pasting the same comment....are you ok? Are you having a stroke? I get that you don't mind not owning things you buy. it's such a stupid statement it's hard enough to forget without spamming it.....
do you play games on pc? did you buy a online only game? did you buy anything at all...cause 95% you dont own said game and you wont be able to play it when they shut off the lights.
I mean, there's a free tier launching next year so you literally only buy the game and can play unlimited hours. Wouldn't you buy the games on PC or consoles other than the upfront costs for them?
@Irish Jester there is a Netflix style subscription for games. Its called Xbox game pass wich is also available for PC now. Again, Stadia is pointless and nobody asked for that shit.
Yet you guys are criticizing Google right here on one of their services and you're not getting banned. Not saying Stadia won't be shit but that argument is what's retarded.
Despite what corporations say, if you pay only ONCE to get access to a copyrighted work (game software, productivity software, movie, music, etc) and there's no agreement of "keep paying X amount at Y rate to keep access to this product" then - by law - it is a "Perpetual Licence". It doesn't matter what is in the EULA, you can't make the law disappear by putting some text in a massive PDF document that's too long and obtusely written to read. If a digital store closes down, you've just lost access to the support infrastructure for the game. The game should still be installed on your console and this is why the law protects hackers as if a business were to shut down only hackers could get your games working again, games you had every right to. Now businesses may die but copyrights last for decades. SOMEONE would pick up the copyright for the games you bought but that's irrelevant for you, you already paid for your "perpetual licence" if Nintendo were to suddenly disappear, someone would buy the rights to Mario Odyssey only to be able to sell more copies of Mario Odyssey. And by "selling copies" they mean selling perpetual licences. Bottom line: Pay once and it's yours. Pay at an agreed rate, it'll never be yours.
Even if the Nintendo E-shop closed down next year, if you have the game downloaded, you can play it. I'm gonna hack my Switch and back up all those games anyway. Mine.
Pontefract -W-Banker I mean you being salty about his choice of words is pretty surface level salt my dude. I could invest a salt mine a make money with how much salt you’re generating.
Here in the USA my ISP "Comcast" only gives 1000GB per month, which sounds like alot but its not,- if you download full PC games like GTA V & Final Fantasy 15(70GB+) & stream Netflix you can easily go over the monthly data cap....
Google gets bored is the real reason I just don't have faith, nailed it. They did this, no way in hell is anyone who does research on their product history going to trust them w such a questionable value proposition.
'Almost no latency at the test event' That's because you were feet away from the actual server and the signal didn't have to travel any real distance and didn't have to experience any traffic.
problem is Netflix has shown that this online only market works. Ppl don't care about even buying DVD's so they're idea is that they're gonna be ahead of the demand in the gaming industry. Too bad they're doing it waaaaaaaay too early with no proper tech.
I've gone full digital tbh, 30+ years of gaming paraphernalia takes up a lot of space when you fail to live in a mansion. I'm far more terrified of the always online future.
When he said that I was speechless, I remember being on that live stream just shook. Also they totally trashed troops oversees who played offline games in the middle of war zones for fun with their schedule of no days off EVER. I know because I was one of those people. Needless to say I bought PS4 first and have bought three this generation.I bought and sold my One S after I could play most of Xbox on PC.
@@sevenv2154 you have to give Microsoft credit after Sonys intial ps4 announcement didnt even show the console, games or specs being worse on the reveal of the xbone was nigh impossible but they pulled it off spectacularly.
@@vonfaustien3957 oh yea, the DRM policies and "entertainment hub" was so much better. At least Sony didnt dedicate over half of the presentation to show how you can hook your cable box up and talk to it through their always-on camera. Either way that E3 was piss poor for almost everyone, there were no games for either console (outside of bloodborne for ps4 and gears on xbox) pretty much until 2 years into this console gen
Biggest reason I think it'll fail is that I simply wouldn't ever want to play God of War or Battlefield V on my phone. Even with a controller, you'd miss out on so much of the experience. And with multiplayer, seeing enemies in the distance matters.
@@mistahpelican1778 because good open worlds are filled with minor details, particle effects, and grand vistas built for 4k monitors, not ideal on a 5 inch screen lol
Ok so let’s take a look at the negatives: - no mods - no achievement/trophy system - you always have to have an internet connection - if your internet connection is bad, your game will be laggy ( even if it’s a single player offline game ) - you only pay to stream, you don’t actually own the game. - censoring and banning will be on the roll - probably will have ads and a premium option since probably it will not have a monthly subscription like PlayStation and Xbox - extremely expensive - not upgradable, which means you’re gonna have to buy a new console every gen for the same price tag ( probably more expensive ) The positives : - nice controller... Nah , am gonna go with ps5 next gen
Tbf ISP's actually "evolved" with Netflix. In fact many of their network centers literally contain Netflix's provided databases of movies so that consumers can view them at the fastest and highest qualities possible. Just Google "Netflix's Open Connect" program. With as big as Google is, they can 100% make these kinds of agreements with ISPs for the benefit of the consumer experience. The only real problem with Stadia is their business model. If it was ANYTHING like Netflix's, (paying one reasonable monthly fee for access to every game) people would be all over it. But at the current price, with all its other drawbacks, it's really not worth it.
I mean there a text book example of a cyberpunk mega corporation and have been caught red handed spying, enacting widespread cenaorship and planing to manipulate elections why wouldnt people love them?
@@maxeeq Thing is, not really, because he's really only fixing problems he created in the first place. Unless something new cropped up I don't know about.
Should be like Nvidia Now. You link your steam account or whatever store you want and play your already bought games. I am not gonna buy a game AGAIN just to be able to play on the go.
Regarding caps in the US, most home plans are unlimited while most mobile plans are capped. For both, even when "unlimited," you will be throttled after a certain point, which Stadia will pretty much guarantee you reach. I seriously doubt there is any country on the planet where plans would let a hardcore gamer reliably play their normal schedule before you get capped or throttled for unusual bandwidth activity.
@PyroPyro simple. Stadia charges $120 a year for premium streaming with the possibility of 1 free game per month but the promise of using up your bandwidth within 60-100 hrs of gaming per month all while only being able to stream them. PS+ or XB game pass offer over 200 games each that you can download or buy outright at a discount while their subscription model is less than half the cost of stadia.
i remember watching the E3 streams and whenever they brought up stadia, the camera would always show the boss in charge of stadia, looking at the company on stage like some evil overlord
6:16 from PewDiePie, to that voice guy that makes me uncomfortable due to his inflection, to Will Smith fellow kid-ing, all in like 3 seconds. That was a rollercoaster of emotions
@@MochiMac17 You don't have to use the launcher, you can DL the game and install it directly. Save a copy of the installer on an external drive or burn it to a CD/DVD and you "own" the game forever.
The thing about the Nintendo E-Shop is that you still have to download the games you buy off of it. Since I have bought and downloaded Culdcept: Revolt on my 3DS, if Nintendo stops service for the E-Shop on the 3DS or for all of its consoles, Culdcept is still on my 3DS. Multiplayer and in-game add ons such as additional player avatars would be unavailable, but I can still play the main game and against bots as well as local multiplayer. The function of the game isn't tied to being online all the time, which is a problem with Stadia. As you mentioned, it is all cloud based, therefore if that is shut off for whatever reason, then poof goes the ability to play even single player games offline.
streaming on the bus? Whose going to do that, using your limited bandwith to play multiplayer COD on the bus? Many places the only place you will have good reliable internet will be at home again where you can play on console or pc.
Why stream an online game that cant be paused in the first place, if you go stream siege on the bus on the way to school you're being a leaver... Actually thank god this thing doesn't have crossplay.
R L it doesnt matter. The point is still the same. Nintendo is a massively successful and relevant company and yet they shut down their digital storefont, so any games you bought there might as well be gone unless you had them downloaded. The point about digital-only games not really being yours when you buy them is the same whether its the Wii shop or Stadia
One aspect that rarely gets mentioned is network coverage. On my commute into work I have 2 dead spots, no Internet, no network. So until there is 100% coverage 100% of the time I don't know how a streaming only service can be successful. Also a lot of ISP's have fair usage policies or can limit your connection speeds if there is high demand on their network
The laymen are truly back! The memes were strong in this one. I especially enjoyed "number 8" from The Simpsons. An obscure reference for the uninitiated.
An important note is that in the case of when online store fronts shut down, like for instance the Wii Shop or the example of the Nintendo Switch Eshop ( or Steam, PSN, XBL, hell even the EGS), as long as you download what you've bought before it shuts down you can still play it. Kinda like all the old Wii Ware games you can no longer download or the P.T. demo which has been removed. You still own it, you just can't download it, so if you download it before hand you are fine and you can play it all you want. With Stadia this is not the case. If the service shuts down, since it runs on their hardware, you will be no longer to play the game, full stop.
@@GigglingStoners It really is incredible just how difficult it is to get your hands on some movies. If you want to get some niche foreign movie, you're totally fucked. Even pirating it can be out of the question assuming it's some super small title that will only get uploaded to private trackers interested in that type of content. Meanwhile Netflix dumps millions into pumping trash where they could easily license movies from other countries that people CAN'T see in the cinema or maybe never even knew they wanted.
I'll stick to my PS4 then PS5. I like buying physical copies or download my fav games. At least I know I can play them whenever. Ex: I still play Max Payne 3 on PS3.
Robert Eden PS5 still needs to earn their value though. I hate the idea of brand loyalty. If Microsoft comes out with a better deal, I’ll go with XBox. I went from 360 to PS4, because Microsoft was just expecting people to stick with them because of the fanboys and ended up making a shit console...
@@AngryBoozer if you say so. I've been getting PS's since PS1. Ive always been fascinated with PS games, Microsoft has NEVER given me that, and I've had OG Xbox and 360. Love my PlayStation better, PS3 was kind of a letdown, but still enjoyed some games. All Microsoft did for me was have Halo, that's it. PlayStation has better games. And with PS5, I know I'm getting GOW 2, Spiderman 2, HZD2.
@@bongosmcdongos4190 yeah it sucks having maxed out the internet at the beginning of the month as I put my ps4 in sleep mode in stead of switching it off and it downloaded the games I had bought during the day
In the United States, where you live and what service plan you have decides what your data-cap is. One of the providers offers a 300G, 600G, or 1T, but they reserve the right to throttle your data speed. Another provider offers no data limit but automatically throttles your data speed dependent upon how much your service plan costs. The more expensive the plan, the faster the data speed. If you use a LAN line your household can be the only users on a data stream. If you use Cable you have to share with who knows how many other users. This, of course, slows the data stream and they can still throttle each individual a little more at the local switch box. Those are a few of my local options.
Even Netflix for games wouldnt be that good of a deal, let them have the control of wich game is in the library? Thats very shit, if they decide they want to take down a game that you wanted so much to play, and you were in the middle of finishing it, its gonna be your problem not their problem, they wouldnt care at all. Cloud/streaming is not the solution, its not the future, its better to choose what you want to play and just buy it in a good platform.
@@KKarkatVantas It would be their problem because if you pull this off a few times your userbase is gone. Anyway, this entire buying and pulling movies on netflix has nothing to do with streaming, but with how bullshit the movie business is. The problem could theoretically occur, but it could just as well be the case that a once licensed game would forever be on the platform just like it always has been.
Alioth Ancalagon Why would the user base disappear if they pulled games? Why do you assume that? People are idiots and put up with shit being pulled from movie streaming services and digital store fronts all the time. Also why is the game business any different to the movie business in terms of licensing bs? Again we already put up with this shit on various store fronts with games being pulled for licsencing crap as well as other reasons. Why do you think PS3s with P.T. loaded sell for a fortune on eBay? Because the powers that be decided we literally can’t have it anymore. Don’t delude yourself. If you HAVE the game it’s the only way to ensure you own the game in perpetuity. Anything else is just living on borrowed time.
"Nintendo's never going to close their store." WiiWare/Virtual Console say hi. Was it a popular store? Not particularly but nonetheless, the massively popular Nintendo has closed it down and after a certain point (which might have already been reached, not sure), you won't even be able to download your existing purchases any more. Yes, this can and has happened.
Literally when you said "I believe in streaming technology, I think it would be cool" at 19:28 I lost connection and the video just endlessly buffered... I had to restart my damn Internet to post this comment!
Nobody who plays games thinks Stadia is a good idea, and you guys nailed it pretty well. Its a bad idea. I already still buy physical copies of my games whenever i possibly can, especially in Australia because its somehow cheaper. I tolerate google and everything under their umbrella, but fuck this idea.
I've got a monthly 1TB data camp on my home line here in Phoenix, Arizona. We have 2-3 devices streaming about 5-8ish hours a day each plus whatever data gaming is using and we currently use about 800+ GB a month and several months I've gone over my cap. NO WAY would I pay them for access to a service that guarantees I will go over my data cap when I could just buy the game and download it once.
Think you guys are confused between a bit and a byte, caps are in bytes, speed is in bits, there’s 8 bits in a byte so to work out the actual data usage for stadia take the 4K option 35Mb (small b for bits) this is only 4.38MB per second which for a 5 hour play session is 78,840MB which works out at 76.9GB, not really that excessive when you consider its 4K and some households use that in a day with normal streaming services. The standard 1080p option will be around 25% of this and this is not at all time stream works by updating the pixels that need updating not a new image each frame to use less data.
If you buy and download a game to your system from Nintendo Eshop, PS-Store etc etc it will be on your system even if the store closes down... Remember P.T.?
We have unlimited data plans in the US, but every company has soft caps on data. The soft cap is when you reach a certain data usage limit, the soft cap throttles your data for the remainder of the billing/data cycle.
Geforce Now Beta is way better solution, it doesn't work on phones but who plays on phones ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you get into beta, you can play all games from Steam, Epic and Blizzard
Thats only free for the time being. They will charge for it later and no one knows how much yet. Geforce now is an awesome service I use it all the time. And if Google Stadia can get better quality than that, im in
wtf your talking about lol how are you comparing geforce when stadia hasnt come out yet i have geforce and its ok but they arent selling the same thing as google owns half the internet smh
My biggest problem with latency is that if you're on the go (which seems to be the experience they are targeting), you won't have the same high-speed connection you'll have at home, it will be less bandwidth and more latency. I know in the US wired connections such as cable or fiber (local private wifi network included in this category) are much faster (often by at least an order of magnitude) than mobile connections. Also to counter the "don't own" when it comes to the Nintendo switch, you can always get a cartridge and have that physical copy of the game regardless if Nintendo store somehow goes down. So right now if I wanted to play a game on the go, I just get the cartridge and pop it in.
A regular person: Getting punched in the groin is unpleasant. Sam: Eh, I slightly disagree. I mean what we're talking about here is just a slightly different experience, people.
Sam it's really not the same - if nintendo close the store ... you just turn on your switch and play your game? You just can't re-download your game. It's quite different You can also play your downloaded game without internet, and you don't have to keep paying every month just to keep it. Honestly we just dont need it. xbox etc will offer the ability to own games and stream them ... so... why go all in to a half arsed experiement?
