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alright elric we can be in a band ill ditch my ego if you come along. make some rockin songs about video games and filter out all the wanna be rockstars you seem to have some experience atleast!
this video was so hilarious because its so true no matter the music genre. but to caveat. a woman can also break up the band or one of the band members wives or significant other can be a problem.
Especially a mostly male band with like one female singer for instance. And say two bandmembers like her and she likes a third, who doesn't like her... ask me how I know lol... I shut it down though. Gotta stomp it out on day one. Dating inside the band is a thousand times worse than at work. You can always get a different job or transfer or whatever, in a band it's not that easy, especially if you're unknown and that band is your only chance to become a paid musician.
You missed out work commitments. That's the most common one in my experience. Members get new jobs and work different hours and therefore they find it harder to get to rehearsals consistently, members move away to different cities for work/education and are now too far away. I've known stuff like that to be one of the main things breaking up bands.
However, keeping a day job is actually beneficial for the band in the long run. It actually provides a little bit of money in your pocket and provides you with a plan B if things don't work out for you. If anything, one could theoretically reduce their MAIN job work hours to part-time if one can afford it.
@thomasdarnall8912 I don't disagree with you here. I didn't intend this comment to come off like I was passing judgement on people for having work commitments or telling people how they should make decisions in relation to those commitments. I wasn't, I was just stating the fact that it's the most common thing that breaks up bands in my experience. Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting people quit their jobs (unless they really want to, of course).
@@glennartstuffs-freejazzfil4730 No problem man. I'm 41 and I would like to accomplish my LIFLONG GOAL of forming a band myself. I'm married to a beautiful woman and I have a 7 year old Son. I want to do this before I close my eyes for good. I work 40 hours per week. I could squeeze in some time to form a band and use it as a financial safety net to at least give me some food and drink money. I already have some accounting/bookkeeping experience that I feel would be beneficial for the band to balance the finances of the band itself. Routine things like expenditures, payrolls, etc. Pretty much, forming a band is akin to an entrepreneurial endeavor. The same type of organizational structures and strategies would be like planning a small business. Your bandmates are like your partners in this endeavor. Just another way to look at it. So IF my theoretical band does great, I would reduce my hours to part-time ONLY when the financial aspects of the band works itself out. Quitting only when the financial situation becomes self-sustaining.
One reason is when the band leader does all of the work, and the other guys don't appreciate it...When all you basically have to do is learn the material correctly, and don't put the effort out, it tends to piss off the band leader and make them want to give up...it sucks to hire guys that don't have the attention to detail that the band leader does, and don't put out the effort.
Yup. I was the primary songwriter for a band and the others started asking me why I was the one trying to control the band. Oh and did I mention that I brought the group together and it was my idea. Needless to say I left the band lol.
So Bark at the Moon is just him trying to get rid of a headache? He should take some aspirin at his age, it good for the heart. My grandma has been doing so since she was 60. She's 93 now. Although she's also been taking morphine for the last 5 years so maybe I shouldn't tale medical advice from her. I will take that half empty bottle though, she should cut back! Although dad lies to her and halves the dose her doctor prescribes so she's still lucid and not nodding off. Less happy more human...
Drugs and egos from trust fund babies broke mine up (late 80s)...impossible to get signed as a metal band back then, too many and it was on its way out. FInally....a contract. Was over as fast as it happend. WIthin months 2 dead from dope, 3rd was on a booze binge, ex wife shot his nuts off and bled out .Sold my gear off havent picked up an instrument since then.
I was in multiple bands and I have played piano, drums and bass. The best thing that I did was to buy an acoustic guitar and started busking as a soloist. I have been a soloist for more than a year and money I earn from busking enables me a nicer life. I will not play in a band as a band member in the next thousand years but I have nothing against being a session musician and a hired gun. I do not have problems with people themselves but the lack of enthusiasm in other band members, lack of leadership and strong conection with music and not playing according to aesthetics of the genres, and singer always being late and some of them not being in 7/10 rehersals is what I experienced with the time passing by. I pointed at all of the good and bad things and I was fired because some songs were not clear to me and I asked someone to count for me when my drumming will enter the song. I should continue being a solo acoustic entertainer and maybe find a singer who plays the guitar too.
What if youre in a band whos members dont seem to want to put the time into practice or rehearsal ? They actually dont think you need it ! But when you play , the lack of practice shows.
I had this. It's hopeless. Good musicians and good bands always work very hard, even if they seem like party animals. People that don't rehearse enough will probably never be any good.
@@drummingtildeath Don't even have to be that good. If they are willing to show up, practise, take advice and do the work, they can be mediocre and a much better band member than someone talented, who doesn't care about the band and doesn't do the work. And to confirm for OP yes it's hopeless. Either kick out the dead weight or if it's in a majority leave. You can stay until you find another band so your not without a band. Also make sure that if there is one or two non useless members to take them along. You will do them a favour and yourself. And if the others don't practise they don't deserve any consideration, they will not make it anyway and they've already shown they don't care, so why should you (about them). It's like a dismasted ship, you won't be moving anywhere unless you cut off the rigging and throw it overboard. Being manoeuvrable at half speed is preferable to drifting uncontrolled, while the enemy is coming about with a fresh broadside loaded. You will neither find success nor happiness in that band. And yes I have been that member but I did have the decency to quit after the third time I arrived unprepared. Now I have a band I actually enjoy and yesterday I spent half the night recording my guitar tracks so the singer and other guitarist have something to practise with and record their own parts over. It's incredible how work doesn't feel like work at all if you feel it's for something you care about. I may still be late to every second practise but now I arrive with the song written down. They spend some time practising it, I smoke a fatty and then we practise until everyone gets it, I write down any changes they want, go home and apply it. Now I even send them the stuff a day before and smoke the fatty on the way there so we're making good time of our slot in the room. The old band felt like an anchor around my neck the new one like a pair of wings. We had to leave out last weeks session and I was in a bad mood all week. I need it now. To feel valued, have fun and be productive. I was so hesitant to drop out but in hindsight it was probably the best thing I ever did besides discovering Tonerider pickups... They could really start paying me, I put one of their stickers on my amp because I was sick of everyone asking how I got that tone. And 1/3 the price of Duncans... yumm yumm.
@@221b-l3t yep. I quit a band with my oldest friend recently because he's basically a diva with no work ethic and very low standards. The final straw was that he completely messed up a gig and then acted like it was me being too critical when I pointed out that he's really disorganised and doesn't seem to do any work so it's no surprise when he makes massive mistakes. It sucks but I've been a lot happier since I'm not dealing with the stress of trying to manage him.
The singer of our band considered himself to be a feature artist and he kept most of the money. He treated the rest of us like expendable hired hands. Work out the financials first people, it will save headaches down the road.
I wish you had delved deeper into the financial issues the bands face. Besides the general lack of funds the biggest battles are over distribution of income. Many outsiders think everything is split evenly, however that is rarely the case. In my last two bands I earned a considerably larger share of the pie on revenue streams like sound recording and public performance royalties because I wrote or co-wrote most of the material, as well as acting as a co-publisher and co-producer. Touring revenue, however , was split evenly as we were all on stage giving 100%.This often caused hard feelings and bruised egos .I could got deeper into the complex web of royalty distribution but I shall refrain from over-complicating the issue. You, as a seasoned musician, have surely experienced some of these same issues. I would love to know your thoughts.
@@beatlecristian I mean, put your head in their mind. You're flat broke, play their song, and your sum of cash can barely buy a cheeseburger while they get most of the cash to pay your rent 2x over. It's infuriating.
My 1st band ended up dying out, because of these 5 reasons ( and many more ) regarding the singer, all at once Lollll...Thanks for your guidance to newer bands. Great video Elric 💪😁🤘🏻
I've got tons over 200 cd's in my car at all times, but I listen to pain cylinder quite often man. You have potential. I'm a huge megadeth fan and have 10+ of their albums, full metallica discography as well, and tons of other's as well (pantera, T0N, NiN, Rammstein, etc.)..
As a bass player myself I find usually the reason Bella bands I've been in that are broken up I've been the other members LOL! I quote The Godfather, god daddy of all bass players Derek Smalls" I am the lukewarm water between David and Nigel's Fire and Ice"! Truer words were never spoken!
Unfortunately these days its ALL about the singer. It is the way now in the business. Musicians are all side guys now and hired guns so its unavoidable. If you want a true BAND, that my friend is tough to find. It's not the 1980s anymore where bands were a gang all for one one for all...not anymore.
I'm right at the place where I'm losing enthusiasm. It's been a year, we're still playing the same 12 songs with no bass player. No social media. Nothing. Is this normal?
Social Media the main publicity for a band these days.I've been a vocalist/guitarist for 15 years. Until recently I've picked up the Bass, it can add so much sound and body to your songs.Also i can Sing and play easier now
Im a drummer. I have heard way too many times in some form from Some premadonna singer or guitar player "How come you know how to read music? You're just the drummer".... You wanna break up a band? Talk sht to your drummer.
The older I get the less patience I have I've been playing with the same people off and on for years my main issues are practice being to damn loud where it drowns out everything. Can't even hear the drums half the time and my.other issue is my guitar player had had unhealthy obsession with kurt Cobain so everything we lkay sounds like nirvana in a unoriginal way. Rant over
Elric how do you handle when there is conflicts in the songs the band wants to play? I have a cover band going I play bass in and I don't know how to handle the differences in opinion of what we should choose as songs.
I think if you’re in a band and the leader refuses to rehearse and learn new material makes the rest of the band bored and frustrated. It is also frustrating for a audience to hear a band do the same songs over and over.
A many long time ago, i was told "you're just the drummer. You dont know what we're talking about." So i learned to play guitar, bass, and piano. I learned theory, and to read. Sight read. so i could speak the language. Let me tell you, it really pisses em off when you know what they're saying. Its like being around people who dont know you can understand what they say behind your back. And in many casses better than them. But instead of embracing that, and using it to an advantage for the band...no, no, no. You're just the drummer.
100% right. I'm the drummer, arranger, know music theory better than any of the members, run the rehearsals. We had a keyboard player with a really good tremolo until we found out he had to have a few swigs of vodka to slow down his DTs so he could play tremolo. Fired.
No but if they do stay together, it's probably a very niche known band. In this day and age, not only does a band need instruments and a singer but if you want to get big, I mean real big, that singers gonna have to have moves or as I like to say more than just a singing talent because lightshows aren't enough unless you like being a small time band.
3. "artistic differences." as soon as I hear that phrase, someone's getting fired. 4. massive egos. We auditioned a bass player who thought he could play bass like a lead guitar. We told him to trade fours, at his turn he played 32 bars. That was the last straw.
My band is suffering streamline issues with making a song because of this fucking pandemic. The bassist and founding member today said he feels like we are taking our dying breaths, and that only him and another guy seem to be bringing things to the table. The thing is, the table is electronic, and our drummer has no place to drum outside of our jam space. I have nowhere to scream, and all our demos and ideas are months old. I feel like its unfair to be told that the band is more than just the bassist and guitarist when I really can't do much with the tools I have, other than some rinky dink less than a month of experience ableton production. Until now I've been recording vox on a 6 minute song and now that it's over I have to come up with another way to show them I care as much as I do. It's messy.
back in the day 60s 70s, the leads girlfriend this would happen, 'oh god she's great singer', she joins the band soon this would always happen the lead got a girlfriend, she had to join the band signing then she was in playing around, after awhile the lead would blame everybody fault but hers, aah, yea the band would break up, then guys would do drugs......first one was bennys speed, then San Francisco, the next it was heroin and stealing the money to buy that heroin, this was all before I turn 18 which sent me back to college, lol it was an experience, which help later in life, most times I could see threw the lies, hey this great coke.....haha. remember that fake fake coke int he 80's, yeah, I seen guys get shot over that, then party's were always downers nobody was in good mood. that a long time and glad I have move on.....retired, yeah
Is it worth being in a band unless there is a lot of money coming your way? First you have to find people with dedication. Than you have to do a lot of work that may never pay off. Than you have to deal with a lot of crazies everywhere. If it was easy everyone would try it. Probably most jobs are easier than being in a band. No one gets "money for nothing and chicks for free."
@@zoogboog106 in Time it will happen, you joke but once you start, it becomes an addiction, one that cannot stop and will consume you like it did my mom and friends. My mom died from her addiction to alcohol back in 1998, drove off a bridge and died in a hospital bed brain dead, she was gonna die from that or lung cancer from smoking like a chimney or skin cancer due to laying in the sun all the time, she also had MS. I will bring up the fact that when I was 3 years old, my mom let my less than 1 year old sister be in a bath tub, while my mom was doing something else, probably drunk as a skunk and my sister drowned, so fuck off with your joking. I could bring up so much but joke joke joke cause life's is so funny.
My band broke up recently (2 months ago) 3 out of 5 members lived together including me for 4-5 years. #5 lack of of enthusiasm got us. And lead singer ego. And we each paid thousands of dollars to pay and play in LA plus recording costs. working over time. We were tired and needed space. A lack of success hurts when ya try so hard… with no big results. The one time we made money as a band for a show, I was handed a $20 bill and I was pumped. That was the profit for each of us
This is a tough one because drugs and alcohol have been responsible for creating some of the best songs ever. So as a consumer of music, I say keep going and keep doing it. But obviously as a sane, responsible, and sober person I can't condone that Behavior. Sometimes you just can't have the same imagination and creativity unless you're fucked up. You can't have it both ways. R.I.P Kurt Cobain
As a longtime musician and tour manager, I can say this is complete bullshit. This is a myth that has been fed to people for decades, if not centuries. Greatness does not come from drugs, it comes from dedication, deep respect of the craft and fellow collaborators, and having the resources you need to keep creating. Musicians rarely have the resources they need in the way that western culture has taught us to regard music as a 'lesser than' form of earning a living, with seedling bands being relegated to performing in bars or late at night, plied with booze by venues (but not typically fed). They are signed, if they are 'lucky,' paid embarrassingly small amounts of the revenue they produce (label takes at least 50% of record sales in perpetuity, booking agent takes 20% from gross show revenue, venues often take 40% of show income and 20% of merch revenue, manager takes 20% gross of everything), and then the band are expected to pay for gas, hotels, buy 2-3 meals a day on the road, plus tolls, instrument and equipment repairs or purchases, etc out of pocket. Many sink into depression over the constant uphill battle and lack of income, then default to dissociative mechanisms learned in childhood and/or give up.
Think I will stick to my acoustic guitar ALONE, too old for that Sheet (no pun intended). Casually play with a drummer who I know would rather be ensconced in the early heavy metal genre, and is extremely limited on any mainstream type of rock. Kind of compromises but it is slanted more in his direction, and those particular songs are waaay too overplayed, and the individual wants every portion of the songs to sound exactly like the original. If I hear timing one more time, then I will seriously 🤮. No room for creativity, much less, enjoyment. Also, I am not a drinker myself, however he does loosen up (only by a smidgeon) after he has 6 or more brews. At a recreational level, it has become less fun over time. Starting to look forward to going to my 9 to 5 job more than playing with the dude.
