THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT: Announcement Reaction + Theories and Tracklist Fathomings 🤍 

Omg I never though of that !! You're so smart

Stop thats genuinely genius

fuckkkkk

Omg bitch ur literally a mastermind ✨🤍

Another way to look at it is midnights was about her being up at midnight while on this album it appears that she’s sleeping

I AM SO HAPPY FOR THEMMMM

WAIT DO U KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE LETTER????!!!!!!

@@jhanvipaliwal4774 Probably something like "STOP HITTING BONNY" in all caps. The letter for Emily was on their instagram, Taylor says she loves their wild joy and enthusiasm.

@@jhanvipaliwal4774 she said that she watched their videos and that she really loves them! so unbelievably happy for them

I just read that story! Amazing! She had been watching these videos too!

OMG it is SO SPECIAL to be experiencing yet ANOTHER new album with you guys 🤍 our fourth brand new TS album since we started our channel 🥹

I remember when folklore came out this channel was the first one I watched react to the album

@@craftingranger7552 Yes!!! A there reaction to folklore was the one where I discovered them too.

Same ❤❤

omg you made it sound like Midnights was gonna be your last

In all honesty I think she has always discovered a lot of things recently in her life that she didn’t know about you can tell because her lyrics have gotten better.

She’s a mastermind. And the queen of promotion

It also reminds me of the Albatross the bird. It has black wings and white body!! Just like the Grammy dress!!!

She truly does not let us rest but mother keeps us happy AND in a job so we are thankful 🤣

HAHAHAHA THIS.

LOL I was just thinking that, these two have been booked & busy since they started this channel 😂

O my word, if that's true😵...it would go down in history for sure💥

STOP THAT'S GENIUS

And 17 new songs on launch too like wtf

She announced it at the grammys. It’s called THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT.

Yall my friend has the new theory abt TTPD >> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6dzXGnoMCl0.htmlfeature=shared .

​@@dumbxpoetic they're not actually asking. They're being rhetorical, more like a reaction.

YES.

Yall my friend has the new theory abt TTPD >> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6dzXGnoMCl0.htmlfeature=shared ,,

oh yeah, it's gonna be a proper burn album, which we haven't had since Red.

a song that they wrote together!!! (I always have thought that the "not auto-biographical" folklore and evermore actually might have foreshadowed a lot.)

Don’t forget that there is also a saying that someone has the ‘reverse Midas touch’, meaning they turn gold into sh*t and ruin everything good that they touch .

OMFG! I forgot about that line.

I’m wondering if she does similar rollouts like she did with SNTV and 1989TV in the second half of the year.

Yall my friend has the new theory abt TTPD >> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6dzXGnoMCl0.htmlfeature=shared

@@monimoo88 she might to Rep TV at the end of the year then Debut TV early next year so she can add more dates to the tour

​@@craftingranger7552how long do you think she can keep on touring without doing herself considerable harm? She already puts in shows when she is not feeling well or in torrential rain. A human body can only take so much abuse.

I am really hoping for a high energy Florence type of tribute to performing on stage. Florida!!!

It's giving mature folkloree

@@dasilvalara188 OMG REAL

I think that all of our opinion 😭😭😭

I think the same way! I don't think there was any surprising reason that caused this breakup, it may have been disagreements of personality, ambitions, purposes... maybe she wanted to break up for a long time but she had a certain kind of emotional dependence and as you said it is very difficult for you to leave a person you love and didn't do anything very wrong

@@luiza2482 nah ..there was 100% a deeper reason. You're losing me ( LOVE that song) is about Joe.

​@@sumeya1923a deeper reason, yes. But I think what the op meant is that there might not have been one specific situation that caused the breakup. Like for example cheating. Even in you're losing me, it's more like he gradually lost interest or wasn't involved enough or they grew apart

I think by the time she left him she didn't love him anymore , she didn't hate him , but she was heartbroken she spent 6 years in a relationship that drained her emotionally and isolated for so long. In the Time magazine she talks about being locked for 6 years and she wasn't going to do that anymore . I think we are going to have some " Harry treatment" and some Jake treatment. We may not have a "Dear John" but I think we may have an " All too well".

@@sassy6498”it isn’t love it isn’t hate it’s just indifference” is what came to mind reading your comment haha

I would DIE for an album full of my favourite song ever aka MAROON!!!! please!!!!

perfect for the new era

this is insane! thanks for bringing the Alcott into this conversation.

Yes. I think The Alicott is going to have more meaning after the new album comes out. Kind of like Renegade does now.

wait… something just shifted when u pointed that out

omfg....

I love u

​@@thesadone310🥰🥰

Time savior ❤

thanks babe

I can’t wait to see the reaction after the release! You girls are the best!! ❤️❤️ Lots of love from Rome! .. matthew 😀😀🌈🌈

another thing about clara bow is that her relationships were publicly scrutinized like crazy, she eventually had a breakdown, too.

oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dear God the plot keeps getting bigger 😂

Just googled battling bill and his first name was William!!! William Poole of the Bowery Boys!!!

Oh my god!!

🤯

No wonder it rings a bell to me! THIS!!!

Been looking for this comment!!!

Is it confirmed that the group chat came before? I was thinking that they knew the name of her new album so far in advance and named their group chat after it as a joke. I never though of it the other way round!!

@@natalyaduncan8932 I think the name of the group chat was a reference to a role in a series or film they did 😂 Something like that. I saw a comment about it on Reddit, but i have no idea haha. Something to do with Sally Rooney.

@@SN-bk5xj ahahaha who knows, although if she includes a line about a group chat in TTPD I’ll lose it 😂

Yeah I think they were all playing sad, mopey characters at the same time so that's how that happened ​@@SN-bk5xj

it’s been four days since she announced chill 😭

Thank you! I hate that "oh he made her suffer so much and she was misserable and he was hiding her" kinda thing that's been going on. I mean, they were together for six years and Taylor has been hurt in the past, I don't think she would put herself in that situation again for SIX YEARS if she knew it was that bad. And it's honestly really sad because I feel like she obviously wrote this album from a place of sadness and maybe anger that her relationship is over which is understandable but maybe it's not the complete truth of what happened... It's just how she felt about it just like idk when she said that Joe J. broke up with her over the phone but they ended up being friends years later. And I feel like some people are gonna use that to attack Joe because he "hurt her" and she will have no control over the situation

well, he wasted *some* years, she was open about wanting to get married. and he never spoke about her publicly, was never supportive. methinks Joe is NOT a Swiftie, never was.

@@RandoMuser-h1o well, I do agree with the marriage thing, they should've been open about it from the start

Taylor knew from the beginning that Joe was not a Swiftie. Taylor even said in her interview with Lowe that Joe likes very sad songs and turned Taylor on to songs and their authors that he likes that also Taylor ended up liking. Hence, her people pleasing addiction. Taylor thought Joe was wiser than her and better than her. You can't blame that on Joe. And Taylor said what she loved about Joe when she first saw him was that he was gorgeous to her and she did not think as was her habit if the guys she likes are good guys as long as they are gorgeous to her. Many interviews of hers she has said that. But Joe was a very private person who had no use for paparazzi and Taylor did tell him from the beginning that her career was over and her reputation was nowhere and she does not want paparazzi after her and she even moved to the UK to get away. Then years later when Taylor did not want to hide and wanted back in NYC and having a career, it is not Joe's fault that he did not change and go along. Also, due to Covid they both lived together in her home in NYC and Taylor got tired of just very sad songs Joe played and loved. It happens. They both saw how different they were but where Joe saw Taylor was not for him after all these years, Taylor tried to keep it going and hoping Joe would change for her but that doesn't happen. The worst for Taylor was his rejection of Taylor by not wanting to marry her and keep things copestetic. Plus, there were times like Valentines Day that Joe spent in London but did not have Taylor with him or stay in the states with Taylor. After several years together, Joe saw Taylor was not the right partner for him and it took Taylor more time to see Joe was not for her as she realized she can't change Joe or anyone. After they broke up, Taylor was able to call her girlfriends and go out with them and whatever she told them, they all unfollowed him. Which has some people thinking he cheated on her or maybe he just did not want to go out with Taylor in public and be seen with her because of all the photos and paparazzi. Taylor said she doesn't mind the paparazzi taking pictures as long as they don't get in her face asking questions of her. In any case, Taylor said she needed to write this album more than she ever had to need to write before. That is the interesting thing. It might be her way of showing herself that Joe was not better or smarter than her that she realized after so many years and that she is not insecure like she was and realizes Joe was not the greatest person she thought at one time. Which is not Joe's fault but Taylor's for putting him on a pedestal for so long. Another reason she purposely used the title of her album after Joe's chat group. And used the word poetry in it as she felt for so long that Joe felt he was more poetic than her and she thought so too. And since then, she knows she allowed herself to believe Joe was everything. Until she couldn't.

I get that Joe might not have been what she thought he was, that happens... Sadly. However we don't really know what truly happened and somehow I can't help but feel like they're playing around that. If Joe ends up being a terrible person it's understandable but in my opinion not justifiable. Like for example the faces she makes when she says "I miss you" in Bejeweled or WANEGBT or Jack throwing "clues" about him being such a bad person or her friends unfollowing him the very same day. I refuse to believe that the day they went out was the day they found out about the breakup. Taylor is seen when she wants to be seen and she knows how to have a private life, why risking going out to tell her friends about a secret on her personal life? Don't they have a group chat or didn't she text them about it? To me, that was more like "look, I'm fine and I have people on my side" type of thing which is understandable but to me seems a little weird after she first told us to not attack John Mayer and after that she and her friends kept dropping hints about how bad Joe was knowing very well that her fans will take it out of context... Idk, I love her songs so much and she used to be such a comfort person but I'm kinda disappointed with how all this is being dealt with :(

Yeah, same. Travis is now the saint, one year ago please Joe come back, now this. It’s amusing, really. We know nothing about their relationship, even if this album will come out. There are two sides to every story.

Couldn’t agree more!

Wait I don’t think renegade is about Joe. It’s not even on Taylor’s album. Is there any confirmation of it being about him?

I agreee!! I love speculating stuff to a certain degree but I wish that we could stay respectful towards everyone. We are not only making assumptions of what joe might have been like but we are putting words in Taylor’s mouth as well like with assuming that the album is named to be petty about joe’s group chat when it could be that it has nothing to do with it 😅

100% I have really been struggling with this, to the point of considering removing myself from Patreon. I can completely understand the excitement for the new album and theorizing is instinctual. But it saddens me that so much joy is taken from seeing the downfall of someone. This is true for Taylor just as much as it is for anyone she writes her albums about, or anyone else anywhere. In our enthusiasm for her, we lose ourselves in the folly of gossip. I have been guilty of this too, so this is definitely not intended to shame anyone. This is just a call for us all to remember that the people she writes about, or the people we see online anywhere, are real people. The distance behind a keyboard allows us to be mean without accountability. And sharing our thoughts between trusted friends is different than sharing them to an anonymous crowd. This is coming from a place of concern, not judgment. We are all human here, even Taylor.

This is so sweet! 🥹

welcome! i'm also 50+ but have been a swiftie for a while (I have 3 daughters....), and these girls are so much fun, they make being a swiftie super fun.

welcome to the club! I am just turned 50 as well:)

@@elenawaltermusic so far so good! 😆

I’m a 56 grandma swiftie. My daughter loved Taylor so much and her friends would always ask for her music on morning drop off to school. I just love her music but also the role model she is for our youth is phenomenal. She is pure joy.

Omg if the album has Carolina vibes I'll die, I LOVE THAT SONG WITH MY SOUL

Its “So Long, London” 🤍

@@alterego1121 thx I was too excited 😂

Omg I literally facepalmed when they mentioned Andrew’s name like that 😅 like PLEASE he is the hottest Hot Priest that ever existed and a supremely talented actor

I wanted to comment that as well hahah they need to watch Fleabag!!

also the way, the cover of carolina was black and white photo!!!

That song is SO superior

that's what i was thinking! Especially with her song Clara Bowe. She was literally a black-and-white silent film actress who went on to talking roles in colour. I don't know a lot but apparently she might have been forced to retire and a lot of controversies, possible backstabbers and was basically the original IT girl or something

@@emillee-raine That's cool, nice!! I was pondering this before I actually saw the track list and Clara Bow, so that sort of sealed the deal for me. We're definitely going retro this album! I forgot to mention but I also thought about Marilyn Monroe. Imagine Taylor in a 50's up-do style 😍

We're thinking so much a like oh my god! I flat out listened to Somewhere over the rainbow last night because of old-style vibes of this idea as well. Plus Wizard of Oz is black and white into (screaming) colour. That one is probably more of a coincidence on my part.@@leftymu

OH MY GOD! She referenced Wizard of Oz in her Karma music video! I haven't thought of that until now!

@@emillee-raine Oh wow Wizard of Oz is a great shout too. Poets is all about silence vs speaking out, black and white vs colour, captivity vs freedom!!

Exactly! I mean, Taylor did say "you don't need to save me, but would you run away with me?"

Okay so it would be something like she wanted to go into hiding or away from the public eye back in 2016 when she felt too exposed and Joe was her last straw or her perfect opportunity to go into hiding and into a more private life???? That's so interesting!

Synthh***

Synch pop? :( aww I wanted more folklore/evermore folk, alternative, indie vibe

Wait, this actually is genius

Ooooooo I like this take.

THAT ALBUM IS WHOLE 35 MINUTES WORTH IT

MAKE THE REACTION VIDEO TOO WE'LL LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS --THANKS

I was thinking there was 2 because if like everyone says the pattern of her albums is the the two Tv versions one year and a new album and another 2 Taylor’s versions but if we go back before fearless tv and red we had 2 albums drop of folklore and evermore in 2020 I’m thinking because she held up 2 fingers and if you look closely at that clock on the teacup that made us all think it was rep tv we were going to get the 2 clock hands actually made me think they looked like an actual hand holding up a ✌🏼 so are we getting another new album this year in say October or November

@@erin5645 I’d say if there are 3 she’d release the other 2 at the same time in Oct!!

yes I saw that too!! I'm so glad someone else brought it up!

Thats what I was thinking too. It was her home, it's a grief to have to leave your home and all the dreams you had for it

mindblown 😭😭

And guess who plays those characters in the movie?? Elizabeth TAYLOR and Richard BURTON!!!!!!!!!!!

X1000000

Unfortunately, we have Jack 😅😅