The Toymaker Faces the Doctor... | PREVIEW | The Giggle | Doctor Who 

Clever catch!

Ooh, hadn't thought of that - but that makes total sense now.

Oooh, good one! I had just assumed it was to make the Chinese getup from his first story better by implying he just enjoys imitating various nationalities. But I quite like the idea that he’s modifying his tactics this time around.

That makes so much sense !

​@@jessehammer123Makes sense, The Toymaker isn't one to lose, let alone lose with grace. Ain't no way he's falling for the same trick twice

Yeah, I initially thought it was a continuity gaffe, then I remembered that this is the Toymaker, and he likes to pull that kind of crap. :D

He has all the balls.

@@venmis137oh he has the best balls in the universe

That’s the power of the toy maker

I would say the toy maker is basically doctor who version of q from star trek and I love that 😁👍✌️

That’s a stupid joke and everyone knows it

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The Celestial Toymaker…the most insidious and creative enemy the Doctor has ever faced. Using simple games to trap people and turn them into his toys…makes me question if that energy thing we saw with the Meep was his way into our world.

I see what you did there.

@lonewolf9578 It's a stupid joke, everyone knows it, and that's what makes it so great

RTD has done this a couple of times, including things that look like continuity errors but they turn out to be important plot elements (the one before was the bug aliens in the star beast not damaging the car). I really like it.

@@richardbourn5896 also when the Not-Things were introduced last episode plenty of people mistook it for sloppy editing. I think it's quite clever how he's taking advantage of the fact that fandoms overanalyze things as they watch and using it to bolster the story.

So question is he like the Joker (Batman) to the Doctor?

The Toymaker is probably more like the Riddler@@shernweilee5576

​@@shernweilee5576no more like Mr mtzitlspix (or however you write that name) from superman

Right!? This is ONE minute and the stakes are through the roof?

Abso-f**k*n*-lutely!!! I love Catherine Tate's acting to the very core of my heart. Tennant is one of the best actors in our time. I haven't seen much of Neil Patrick Harris, but just from the previews, oh gosh, he's amazing. I have watched other shows just to see more of Tennant's and Tate's performances, cause I knew them from Doctor Who first, and I love to watch and pay attention to good performances. It's a hobby. (I'm Brazilian, do not judge me for not knowing them before lol)

@@hcrisc Neil Patrick Harris was known for playing Dougie Howser in the 90's. He also played Barney Stintson on the sitcom How I Met your Mother. He's absolutely solid in pretty much any role, and apparently he had never seen Doctor Who before RTD asked him to be in it!

Define skill

Tennant was always the best for conveying the severity of situations through his expressions alone. Absolute classic. Such a shame we're losing him again, likely for the last time...

It’s good to see those flashbacks in colour

It honestly kind of felt like the doctor had trauma from that experience(probably not actually). Instead of just seeing the past, we were seeing into the doctors mind.

​@eye-chan1711 Oh no, he definitely has trauma from that. In the EU (That RTD hasn't retconned), the Celestial Toymaker possessed his friend Rallon (Which is why he looked like Michael Gough), turned his other friend into a toy, and only let the Doctor get away so he could be a better opponent in the future. It's why the First Doctor already knew who the Toymaker was in that episode.

The doctor scared to see the toy maker again after the last encounter

I missed RTD sfm

Yikes

Well she does have the balls...

Tennant and Tate are the best combo.

Catherine Tate is more than just a comedian she's a great actor too.

I love Donna. She is a wonderful companion and very strong. "Don't get all chippy with me, Vera Duckworth. Pop your clogs on and go feed whippets."

Little bits of it towards the end feel like the music from Farscape! Which was also very good.

The children's voices in the music here and at the end of the last episode is a lot like his music for Years and Years

@@alexhodgkinson6718that was such a great soundtrack. I’m getting the hints of it in these teasers and couldn’t be happier.

Thank you! I knew that music reminded me of something, but I just could not think of it.@@brookead

Loving it “everyone loves zea balls” - The Toymaker

Yeah I really hope he’s a recurring villain. This video really made me see the vision: let the master rest for a while, the toymaker can be the doctor’s new nemesis!

I like his German Accent

@@DistortionOfEcstasy same

​@@nairrdlairrdwell it was planed to see him again in the last season of the 6th doc before beign replaced by trial of the timelord

​@nairrdlairrd I agree! Already intrigued! 🤔🤔🤔😳😀

Yeah!

And in colour!

Me too, it’s just such a shame that now if you follow canon Hartnell isn’t the original Doctor. That wound still cuts deep for me.

​@@lukewebber97but he is. I know what you're getting at and referring to, but Hartnell will always be the first Doctor

@@thepandorica1660 yes I too will never have anyone tell me that hartnell isn’t the original incarnation of my favourite character in fiction. It’s just moments like this that make me sad as I can deal with a lot of storytelling and accept the decisions made but for me that is an area that shouldn’t of been meddled with and I wish I could accept and enjoy it for what it is but I can’t and I’m just glad Hartnell wasn’t around to see it.

It may be more than for fun. Remember, the First Doctor beat the Toymaker by imitating his voice. The Toymaker may be changing the accents to keep the Doctor from pulling that again.

We saw someone say he's changing his voice as a failsafe. The Doctor was able to escape The Toymaker in their first encounter because he replicated The Toymaker's voice. And yes, we didn't say "win", because that would require stopping the Toymaker. The Doctor had to run away. Imagine what could be so powerful it makes The Doctor run away. A reality bender would do the trick, now wouldn't it?

Max Capricorn had that twinkle effect too. Maybe he was a reality-bending galaxy level threat and we never knew?

Terrified…and enraged at the one being who could actually beat the doctor with a simple game.

@@wadeyoung4271 exactly, he’s going to cause him a lot of problems for sure

@@ryandunphy60not only that, but the Toymaker has caught the attention of Donna…oh boy.

@@wadeyoung4271 Ive got a really bad feeling that something's gonna happen to Donna, hopefully I'm wrong

@@ryandunphy60 not only her but everyone else is in deep trouble. Especially with a celestial being who can literally trap a being in a toy room and force them to play their games until they die or they become one of his toys.

Right? The only time he ever told her to go back was The Library, and he didn’t ask so much as push her in there and it didn’t go well it got her trapped 😅

@@jennidoesherbest And even then, he sent her to the TARDIS because of the immediate danger of the Vashta Nerada. Sure, the Toymaker is dangerous, but there's a difference between 'sending Donna out of range of the alien shadow bugs already in the room' and 'sending her back to the TARDIS because he's terrified and doesn't know what's going to happen.'

That shows how scared he is...

At least in the modern era, I get the feeling she was the most equal in capability to the Doctor, overall. Also, turn left gave me chills.

@@RajaniIsa Yes, Donna would make The Master Run for his money!!!

Part of me thinks that the flashbacks were also meant to inform people that “No. This _isn’t_ a NuWho villain.” because I found one person reviewing Snowmen and it seemed like he thought that the Great Intelligence was a NuWho villain based on some of his criticisms. Regardless, this reveal gives the overall episode a lot of promise.

@@S-Fan2006some of us aren’t old enough to have seen it.

@@fayesouthall6604At least they’re making the effort to bring back 60s villains in new form

@@fayesouthall6604 I know. That’s the point. They understood most wouldn’t know the Toymaker, so the flashbacks also serve as clarification.

@@fayesouthall6604 And you probably never will. Not the entire serial anyway. They may have digitally remastere the final episode of it but the rest of The Celestial Toymaker is lost. They'd have to re-make it as an animated arc or something as they still have the scripts.

Yes Daleks, Cybermen and tbe Master need resting Lets have the Toymaker, the Monk, Sil, the Rani and the Voc Robots and the Gods of Ragnarok Back. More Iconic villians with potential

​@@Joey15811​​ I'd personally prefer Sutekh or Omega to make an appearance as a season finale villain, and have the Gods return in a one-off story. The Rani seems like a no-brainer, but I'd also love for the Giggle to end with the Toymaker saying something like 'I enjoyed our little game, Doctor. I can't wait for Round 2.' Before he promptly disappears, only to return in Season 1 for Ncuti's finale. That'd be a marvellous progression.

The Toymaker is a one off enemy.

@@GenGamesUniverse is that confirmed by Davies or just your speculation?

What if they brought back the Rani?

trust that the pacing will be fine, its gotta be an hour for a reason after all ;)

It might be longer

Oh, so it’s not just me then 😤

i think the toymaker will be returning villain

Probably not. They might stop The Toymaker but the pain and misery to humanity that he brings is most likely permanent and will probably show humanity rebuilding in future episodes. Not everything can be resolved... The Toymaker needs to be stopped and I doubt that's gonna be easy.

yes! 100%

I'm honestly getting even more Mxyzpitlix vibes

Good old late Michael Gough

The character reminds me of Pennywise.

I also got a bit Emcee from Cabaret

Exactly

And here I thought 13 telling that unit agent to give Yaz a gun meant shit was serious.

Honestly though, when ISN"T his acting spectacular? And Catherine Tate alongside him? So wish there was a whole new season of these two.

Best doctor out of the new generation of doctor who wish he would have stay on for another series

He is good in bad samaritan, kills women, good serious actor

Jodie as well. Given it being the most direct one and there is a lot of her sarcastic friendly and outgoing demeanor here in other scenes.

its a great way of cementing that this is indeed a redo of an old face, he's still experienced the mental changes from 11, 12, and 13

I was certainly impressed lol. I've have gotten smacked in the face by every single one. XD

Not true, underutilize is the right word

@@shadowshots9393 I looked at his Wikipedia page and he’s barely stopped working for 20 years plus. He’d be a great Bond villain or something in the MCU.

​@@shadowshots9393exactly

@@fayesouthall6604 And he can be creepy, fun, or both! He also did a stint as a batman villain in Batman Brave and the Bold. Quite a musical episode.

​@@RajaniIsamy god...dont tell me he played Music Meister?

Yeah there's been an increasing confidence with Moffat and Chibnall to get some real deep cut references to classic who, and I'm glad RTD is finally running with it.

rtd literally used the macra

@@GranmargYGO true although there's a bit of a difference between reusing a monster and reusing a character like the Toymaker. We don't have to establish a history with an enemy like the macra in order to use it. We do with the Toymaker

RTD walked so Moffat could run so Chibnall could stumble so RTD could fly.

@@mitchellclark4377 When it specifically comes to deep cut classic who references, Chibnall hardly stumbled. Having direct references to stuff like the Brain of Morbius certainly wouldn't be a thing in the RTD era. Chibnall in general also just took a lot more inspiration from Classic Who when it came to his interpretations of classic villains. Writing quality can be debated, but the inspiration is certainly there and more evident than Moffat and RTD1 imo. And do I even need to mention Power of the Doctor?

They have that Disney money now, maybe they could bring him back again.

Problem is, you can't really overuse the Toymaker. If the Doctor regularly outsmarts a reality warping elder god from since before the dawn of time, you'll start to question why you should care about any other threat. Because by comparison they are nothing.

@@goji253 I mean to be fair, I feel like hear this argument a lot, not just about Doctor Who but a lot of things in general, and I'm starting to greatly disagree with it- The argument is essentially- "If a character is constantly shown to be capable of defeating very powerful opponents, then that will reduce the tension to basically nothing if they're up against an opponent that is much weaker by comparison." However, I disagree. Exhibit A of many would be the death of The Seventh Doctor. Now sure, it's a controversial moment in general, but it's also rather realistic. Despite this incarnation of The Doctor being one of the most manipulative and cunning incarnations ever, taking down entire empire and planets at his own will according to audio dramas and books, his end ultimately came to a random group of thugs on Earth. That gang, is far less powerful than anything else The Doctor had battled before, and yet despite all that reputation, he still reached his end in a rather underwhelming fashion. And why wouldn't that be the case? Very intelligent people can meet their end to very underwhelming threats. In fact, if you've built up a reputation as someone who's capable of handling anything, you're much more likely to let your guard down and end up falling victim to something that You never once expected might actually be a problem for you. In fact, writing this comment just gave me a very good idea for a villain- One that is so incredibly unintelligent, that they're just basically unpredictable. It's like that quote- The greatest swordsman in the world doesn't fear the second greatest swordsman in the world; He fears the worst. Because you have no idea what that idiot is going to do.

@@carealoo744 Except what you mentioned are all still tangible threats. Sure someone can die just as well to a stab wound than to being hit by a truck. But you're really not considering the proportions of the toymaker. He is, quite literally, a god. The very nature of his existence is contradictory to the very identity of the show. The impact he has, the dread he invokes, hinges on the idea that he is beyond comprehension. That all limits of what is possible don't matter to him. Even the time lords were afraid of him. There is nothing fun or believable about the Doctor just beating the single most powerful threat he as ever faced... every other year or so. It just makes an ordinary joke of something that is supposed to be terrifying. Also, just for the record, you can very much destroy a show by overescalating the threats all the time. Look at how many shonen anime die because people don't get that it's a bad idea that will bore the audience.

@@goji253 I mean While this may not be the best example, I just keep thinking of the historical stories from the 60s. We go from giant robot capable of destroying the city and controlling the world, and on the very next story The Doctor is fumbling around and being captured by some pirates. The Doctor will have to struggle No matter what kind of situation he's in, even if it doesn't feel as intense all the time. My ultimately just feel that the Toymaker should come back because there's just so much potential with him. He's the original Squid Game. You don't even necessarily have to have him as the most powerful character to ever exist all the time. You could even do something and maybe this episode or another one, that takes away some of his power. In his first story, he wasn't really treated like a god. Yeah, he has his own realm of existence that he can use to draw in random people like The Doctor, and force them to play deadly games. Otherwise he turns them into toys, and he can turn people into visible and intangible and make them unable to speak, sure all those are great powers and all, but I wouldn't really call them reality altering. In his first story, it takes place entirely within his own reality, and it's never really implied. He has any sort of real influence on the real world. That of course is probably going to change in The Giggle, but I still think there's plenty of story potential to tell with him. You could even have him not necessarily as the main villain, but as a referee as he watches over people being forced to play these games. You could go full Liar Game and have The Doctor be forced to play against mentally strong opponents who are desperate to win, and see if The Doctor can not only not lose the game, but also find a way to save his opponents who are so tirelessly working against him at every opportunity.

I felt the same way about the choir.

Wasn't there some epic choir stuff leading up to the mysterious darkness is coming plot undertones during 11's run? *checks* Hmmmm, I guess I'm thinking of the creepy haunted dolls episode Night Terrors and the super creepy children singing the "tick tock) nursery rhyme song.

Exactly! It just sells the Toymaker's creepiness.

maybe it's just me but as a german myself I can't take him seriously because the German accent sounds so goofy and when he actually speaks German, it's not quite pronounced correctly, especially with things like "Ball". Only once he speaks with an English accent, it sounds sinister indeed.

@@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o You're not meant to take him all the way seriously. He's making himself look harmless and ridiculous with this accent in his old timey shop and by juggling throughout, dropping lame puns, but you're supposed to pick up on what he's actually saying. He describes murder as the origin of the first ever game and that it felt enjoyable to the killer, just like the aftermath of a devastating war will mark the last time the game will ever be played. You're supposed to pick up on a ridiculous facade hiding a far more sinister intent. Silk hiding steel, as they say.

@@KingLofiOne Oh I did pick up on that, no worry. :)

Yeah! And it works, considering The Toymaker was introduced as a truly immortal being the first go 'round. Who's to say he doesn't have his own appearance changes the way Time Lords do?

In one clip he has a faux French accent, here a German one and as we all know, in the Classic, he was dressed up in a Chinese get up. So I'm guessing they turned his outdated stereotypical get up into an affectation where he pretends to be (a parody of) different ethnicities for fun.

@@ArakkoaChronicles Is the original appearance of the Toymaker among the episodes of Classic Who available on TubiTV?

​@@solaris9426Unfortunately not as the only remaining episode of The Celestial Toymaker is Episode 4, "The Final Game." There is an animated reconstruction due to come out next year, and I would think it would be added afterwards due to the other fully completed animations being there.

I kinda hope he uses an exaggerated American accent when he’s in the old timey pilot get up we saw him wearing in the 60th trailer

I feel like it has to be the Flux right? The Toymaker's realm exists outside the universe and was destroyed, but the Doctor warned his return was inevitable. With half the universe destroyed, it's possible that he took advantage of that gap and simply strolled on through.

I believe he just mocks all of humanity (but oh, they can be fun to play with!) and their silly ways of speaking. And he manages to do this despite the TARDIS translation.

Think about it. Daleks to the doctor: easy mode. The Toymaker that can either destroy the world and you on it by winning a game or turn you and your companions into toys by losing a game…I’d tell that companion to run back to the Tardis and hide.

@@wadeyoung4271 - That's exactly what I'm getting at. It conveys the threat of the Toymaker in just one line and one action to anyone who doesn't know him. It's a masterful introduction

@@Courageous91 truly the Toymaker is the most insidious and creative enemy. Makes you wonder how the other forms of the Doctor would’ve reacted.

​@@wadeyoung4271 9th (Before Rose) Would have fought and died 10th would have run 11 and 12th would have fought and then run 13th would have run

Too true

That is indeed something he would do

Yep. Moffat exaggerates rhe silly side way too much

Eh...silly is what we needed...it was fun...besides...he could write one hell of a speech..the pandorica...rings of ahkaten....the zygon rebellion with the osgood boxes

Naw Doctor Who is dead nobody’s making memes about it and when they do they most definitely don’t go viral.

Whats got you bent out of shape?​@TreeboyTreeboy-ep3gt

If rumors are true, I don't think we will. 😉

God Bless You if you are right!!! ❤

@@kennethraymondmoore 😂😂😂 keeping wishing and coping.

​@@adamburke4738Just wait and see.

@@adamburke4738fr

Neil is actually skilled in close up magic, which includes juggling skills. It was one of the real aspects of him that he infused his character of Barney Stinson with on How I Met Your Mother. Neil is a seriously talented individual.

Yes. While I love the fugitive doctor, Hartnell is the og one, thankfully RTD loosened the rules with the "I made a jigsaw out of your history" meaning we can chose to believe it or not. For me the fugitive doctor isnt before Hartnell but an alternative universe first doctor

I'd like to see him again too, but as a final appearance for that actor. Then, let someone else take over the role so that he remains an unpredictable threat.

It will be something that my wife will be annoyed of as soon as she gets home from work today, I'll tell you what lmao

Lmaooooo

DARY! Legendary!

Dary....!

I hope you’re not lactose intolerant cos that last word is DAIRY!

1:17 gts reference

It's how he lost the first battle with the doctor with him changing his voice that's how the draw happend so he isn't able to do it again

(Oh..He did met Curator Doctor in another time.)

i just repeat it to myself every damn minute idk

I did it to mess with everyone

The toymaker made the doctor regenerate for the first time, so, of course he would remember!!!

If you count extended media, the last time he saw the Toymaker was as 12.

@@SteelSpurs perhaps, but for most of the world Doctor Who is the actual TV episodes

@@AngelaH2222 Doesn’t discredit the other media though 🤷🏾‍♂️

Accents. Though honestly he'd be great at either.

@@xanderm6090 I mean, I heard him in another clip saying some French words. In this one, I heard him talking in German.

And the Doctor is supposed to have regenerated again at the end of this which might be something to do with this.