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How did Tom Hagen die in The Godfather? Are we ever told how the consigliere to Don Corleone died, and why Robert Duvall was not in The Godfather Part III?
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@philmann3476
@philmann3476 2 года назад
"They made him an offer he could refuse...and he did." Hilarious -- well done.
@one51media35
@one51media35 2 месяца назад
Duval asked for a $ 1 Million dollars and they offered him less.
@redlizerad8268
@redlizerad8268 Месяц назад
@@one51media35that’s wild to imagine. He was a well known actor by that point and a crucial character to where Michael was heading in the third film. But somehow they didn’t think he was worth a million bucks?
@RedSiegfried
@RedSiegfried Год назад
The Godfather and The Godfather Part II were great movies. It's a shame they never made a third one.
@bogusmogus9551
@bogusmogus9551 Год назад
Lol!
@rahulgyawali
@rahulgyawali Год назад
Search 'Godfather III'
@Pottasium92
@Pottasium92 Год назад
@@rahulgyawali It doesn't show anything canon, only fan stories and fan films.
@joharimamat2154
@joharimamat2154 Год назад
​@@rahulgyawali Did not catch the drift?
@documentthedrama8279
@documentthedrama8279 Год назад
almost as sad as metallica never making a fifth album after making 4 classics
@jonathanbrhane4734
@jonathanbrhane4734 9 месяцев назад
Tom perspective of Micheal vs Vito dichotomy was unique & near perfect. He worked with Vito closely & got to see his great mess up close up more than any of the other children. That’s why you can see him in Part 1 get pulled into Micheal & seeing his potential when he’s talking about the dire need of taking out Sollozzo and using their paper in the News Papers to spin it. He also see Micheal going down a dark path towards the end of Part 2. Tom knew as ruthless as Vito was prepared to be, he would never lose his sense of humanity like Micheal was. Tom was definitely missed in Part 3. He might’ve not been the best war time Consigliori but definitely a loving devoted Son/Brother & extremely valuable confidant/legal consultant.
@perceivedvelocity9914
@perceivedvelocity9914 2 года назад
Your comment about 'the studio making him a offer that he could refuse' made me laugh. Thank you for the content.
@matthewalexanderlemma8000
@matthewalexanderlemma8000 2 года назад
The third film really does miss Tom Hagen. Had Tom been in the film, an ending where Michael kills him or vice versa could’ve been really surprising.
@Better_Call_Raul
@Better_Call_Raul 2 года назад
Don't see any circumstance where Tom Hagen would kill Michael or anyone else for that matter. Tom never orders a killing. He simply looks the other way when killings happen. Do not see Michael ever ordering Tom to be killed either. Tom always kissed Michael's ass.
@Thespeedrap
@Thespeedrap Год назад
3 was just terrible and shouldn't have been made point blank.
@h4rder10
@h4rder10 11 месяцев назад
tom is not the sort to kill michael. u cant just put something out there just because audience dont expect it.
@thomasmarciano6133
@thomasmarciano6133 2 года назад
If it wasn't possible to bring Hagen back for Godfather Part III, then let his death be undramatic and natural. These assassination/kill Hagen scenarios being brought up all sound kind of lame.
@kevinbrooks1104
@kevinbrooks1104 5 месяцев назад
111 godfather, was not as good, because Diane busted the dons chops too much, also they focused too much on the death of Fredo. He was outstanding in acting as a incompetent gangster. The forbidden love was too much. I don't know how they could have salvaged it
@wayascotokee311
@wayascotokee311 Год назад
Tom Hagen suffered a stroke in the courtroom after the judge charged him with contempt and sentenced him to live in Lonesome Dove Texas where the dinner bell ringing cook conspired with indians to ambushed hagen after he became attracted to a certain buffalo.
@johnnynoirman
@johnnynoirman Год назад
The tragedy was the cheap producers that did not wanna pay for Bobby in 3 and Marlon in 2. And another thing, Francis waited too long to do The Godfather 3 and Al Pacino must have thought he was doing a sequel to Dick Tracy and not The Godfather. He over the top and was out of character He was not Michael Corleone...The No.3 is a bomb.
@thomaspavelko9412
@thomaspavelko9412 Год назад
The whole idea of competing with Michael for power is really a Dead Issue Tom could never be the head of the Corleone family or any other Mafia Family or even a made guy. He was Irish Italian, and the Italian came from his mother's side not his father's I belive, but even if it was the other way around and that particular timeline of the mafia he was not full Italian all you could ever be was an associate.
@Meanietube
@Meanietube 5 месяцев назад
Problem with part 3 is that it no longer has the aesthetics of a 1970's italian movie but rather is a generic Hollywood action movie. Not bad, just mediocre
@pillbox1240
@pillbox1240 7 месяцев назад
I thought he died of cancer in the 1970s. Maybe that was in the books, I don’t know.
@F15ElectricEagle
@F15ElectricEagle Год назад
How did Tom Hagen really die? He was killed because he was angry that Michael Corleone got paid much more than him to appear in the third movie.
@Vandan9166
@Vandan9166 Год назад
I don't think much of the Godfather 3 movie. I don't get the same feeling as I do with the first 2 movies. There is something missing in the movie, even though having Tom's character in it would have moved it up a few notches. They should have given Roy Duval the money he deserved to play in the film. The 3rd movie was missing the same soul of the original story. I found it a little boring even though the actors tried their best to make it work. I've watched the epic version of the films in chronological order and found that the most interesting. It had many deleted scenes that answer many questions you have when watching the first 2 movies. I never get tired of watching both Godfather 1 & 2.
@LqdSanity79
@LqdSanity79 2 года назад
Duvall stated in an interview that he really wanted to do the third film but they money they were offering him was disrespectful. He was a main character in the first two movies and, with Vito, Sonny, and Fredo dead, would have been the second lead in part three behind Pacino. He thought he should at least get paid half of what Pacino was making but they refused. Diane Keaton was paid twice what they offered Duvall. He rightfully saw it as an insult, considering he was an A-list actor in his own right. The studio said they didn't need him and the movie would be great without him, so he declined. I'm not sure what role Coppola played in the negotiations, but without Tom Hagen the movie became the worst in the trilogy, by far. I've seen part one and two over a dozen times, but I've only watch part three once and probably will never watch it again. It's just not good, and Pacino's acting is way too over the top. They really dropped the ball on that one.
@sickheadache9903
@sickheadache9903 2 года назад
Yep! That was it%! Money!
@angelahoskavich3215
@angelahoskavich3215 2 года назад
I agree
@hanynada6752
@hanynada6752 Год назад
Can't agree more 👍👍👍
@adrianotero7963
@adrianotero7963 Год назад
I would agree with that....the Godfather is not the same without Duvall......something is missing.
@dllockard7324
@dllockard7324 Год назад
Well said. Hard to watch GF III, and so I turned off early.
@IvanLendl87
@IvanLendl87 2 года назад
The absence of Tom Hagen in Godfather 3 pretty much sealed the fate of the film to mediocrity. In Godfather 1 & 2 it was Tom who was the voice of reason and showed a large measure of civility compared to the rest of the Corleone family. With Michael trying to get away from the organized crime life, the character of Tom Hagen would’ve been crucial in that regard. And Duvall is a great actor who would’ve upped the acting quotient.
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 2 года назад
Some day this war is going to end …
@MrTCHOSS
@MrTCHOSS 2 года назад
Agree 100%. Behind Michael, the most important character was Tom. The family attorney, then the consigliere, later the acting-boss. The studio (including director FFC) really screwed that up. Duvall was so severely missed, he proved the studio should have forked over the money. In the end... it came out to a few million dollars to get Duvall in a movie that has grossed $20 million its first weekend and made $160 million globally.
@blanchewarren4888
@blanchewarren4888 2 года назад
Today he would of been replaced by a black actor
@pauliewalnuts2007
@pauliewalnuts2007 2 года назад
@@blanchewarren4888 😂😂😂
@rd9793
@rd9793 2 года назад
@@MrTCHOSS You mean Big Mike?
@mrkeiths48
@mrkeiths48 2 года назад
Tom Hagen was a major figure in the Godfather story. It's unfortunate that he was excluded over compensation to make the movie.
@lorimcevoy9419
@lorimcevoy9419 Год назад
He wasn't excluded. He said no because they offered him to little. So they just wrote him out.
@lanicoya415
@lanicoya415 2 года назад
I would have loved to see Robert Duval in the Godfather part 3. He was definitely missed
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 2 года назад
He should have just done it.
@tr7198
@tr7198 2 года назад
The movie itself was very controversial in subject matter at the time.
@imjinrat2325
@imjinrat2325 2 года назад
He probably would have helped a little, but he wasn't missed as much as Clemenza was in II.
@guaddv
@guaddv 2 года назад
Duvall couldn't be talked back because they couldn't agree on his salary.
@tlist1970
@tlist1970 Год назад
@Jesus is Muslim 3X what they offered Pacino. He said 2X would have been ok, but that was an insult and I didn’t blame him.
@ConnorHolbrook419
@ConnorHolbrook419 Год назад
Tom was honestly probably my favorite character, he’s just so dedicated, educated and unwavering in his dignity and loyalty. Also I believe it’s widely agreed Part 3 was good but it’s not in the same league as 1 and 2. Just different levels of film quality
@My20GUNS
@My20GUNS 7 месяцев назад
Nah, part 3 is legitimately bad. If it wasn't Godfather, it'd be an average/mediocre mafia movie. But it is, and it's all the more pathetic & embarrassing
@serenityinside1
@serenityinside1 3 месяца назад
@@My20GUNS correct. poster above an idiot !!
@BUBBLESPOGO
@BUBBLESPOGO Месяц назад
Sames as Star Wars. The first 2 were good. 3rd. Meh. Rest. Horrible story lines.
@NoirL.A.
@NoirL.A. 2 года назад
both TOM HAGEN and PETER CLEMENZA were lost to the series over money. there were other issues too but it was mostly money which i think is pretty sad.
@robhaskins
@robhaskins 2 года назад
It's really too bad that the powers that be, knowing how great The Godfather was, imagined they could get by without Clemenza in part 2; then they repeated the same mistake with Hagen in part 3. Very foolish production decisions.
@NoirL.A.
@NoirL.A. 2 года назад
@@robhaskins agreed.
@scottjohnson3017
@scottjohnson3017 2 года назад
@@robhaskins Godfather II stands on it's own, however, I think they did an excellent job in filling that void by showing young Pete Clemenza and the key role he played in the founding of the Corleone family. Tom Hagen not being in Godfather III was bad enough, however I'm not sure him being in it could've saved the film as a whole.
@georgesouthwick7000
@georgesouthwick7000 2 года назад
The Clemenza character (Richard Castilano) not only wanted a huge amount of money, but he also insisted on his girlfriend getting a part as well.
@robhaskins
@robhaskins 2 года назад
@@georgesouthwick7000 I'd say he deserved both-he was THAT good.
@RidgeRunner10
@RidgeRunner10 2 года назад
I believe Duvall said in an interview after III was released that they tried to get him on the cheap since Pacino wanted such a huge paycheck and he refused. Reminded Coppola that he was in a fact a 2x Oscar winner and his Tom Hagen character was central to the story - but they wouldn't budge
@jaybell1390
@jaybell1390 Год назад
@CTL 123. They Didn't go Against the Family. 😅😅
@bobbysimmons2755
@bobbysimmons2755 10 месяцев назад
Only won one oscar
@awillis244
@awillis244 5 месяцев назад
Awful misstake
@awillis244
@awillis244 5 месяцев назад
Mistake mistake mistake.
@djtoona
@djtoona 4 месяца назад
@@bobbysimmons2755 He beat castmates Al Pacino and James Caan for that Oscar
@luisbielich8145
@luisbielich8145 Год назад
to replace robert duvall with george hamilton is like cinderella's fairy godmother replacing the two mice and the pumpkin with a couple of roaches and a zucchini...
@carlaphoenix8965
@carlaphoenix8965 6 месяцев назад
Very well put. You nailed it.
@awillis244
@awillis244 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, he didn’t fit, nor did even his name.
@jamesdrynan
@jamesdrynan 5 месяцев назад
I think Hamilton did an adequate job with the part as it was written, but it was a cardboard character.
@davidpeters5117
@davidpeters5117 5 месяцев назад
As much as I like them, George Hamilton, Eli Wallach and Joe Mantegna were out of place in GF III. Robert Duval and his character Tom Hagen were sorely needed and missed. This project was more akin to a three part made for tv movie than a major studio release.
@craignewnes5148
@craignewnes5148 4 месяца назад
Too funny! I just basically wrote the same comments. HA!
@marksheppard6498
@marksheppard6498 10 месяцев назад
Duvalls character added the richness to the series and it was sorely missing in the third installment.
@RuthEsther-nn6qe
@RuthEsther-nn6qe 2 месяца назад
Part 3 was weird 2 me. I don't know why cousins were dating. Joey Zaza was too loud to be mafia. The.priests and nuns reminded me of Catholic school. Part 3 can be ignored 😢
@razorsharp8549
@razorsharp8549 Год назад
Tom Hagen always was faithful to Michael and the family. He was the voice of reason for the best interests of the family.
@Vahe345
@Vahe345 21 день назад
He was faithful and they don't pay him enough, so sad.
@hansenfiet2539
@hansenfiet2539 2 года назад
Could you imagine the first two films without Tom Hagen in them? Yeah, me either! That’s why the third felt like it was missing something throughout the entire movie!
@Thespeedrap
@Thespeedrap Год назад
The third one was a waste of time and resource that migh had damage Coppola's career after that.
@bogusmogus9551
@bogusmogus9551 Год назад
Didn't help that Goodfellas was released at the same time. Made G3 look as dull as ditchwater
@Thespeedrap
@Thespeedrap Год назад
@@bogusmogus9551 Of Course Godfather 3 was the weakest and I think he tried to compete with Scorsese too much during that time.
@urosmarjanovic663
@urosmarjanovic663 Год назад
@@bogusmogus9551 Inbreeding romance also didn't help.
@maxt707
@maxt707 6 месяцев назад
Actually, the character Sonny was described as dark-haired, big muscular, and not the scrawny chest we see.
@charlie-obrien
@charlie-obrien Год назад
When the studio decided to low-ball Duvall for the reprise of his role as Tom Hagen, they where probably thinking that Andy Garcia would carry the second male lead part in the film. Boy were they wrong. That, plus Coppola's daughter in the second female lead killed Godfather III and it probably shouldn't even be considered as a sequel to Godfather I & II. It downright sucks.
@jephrokimbo9050
@jephrokimbo9050 Год назад
agree with BOTH points you made
@dc6461
@dc6461 Год назад
Michael at the end of gf2 is Michael from gf3 only older. Sofia was a mistake but she wasn't first,second or even third choice
@RuthEsther-nn6qe
@RuthEsther-nn6qe 2 месяца назад
Joey Zaza was the star of this messy movie. It was a cartoon version of the Godfather 1 and 2.😊
@nenemalo8303
@nenemalo8303 25 дней назад
Michael kills tom , for being with Kate while he was gone, in the second movie
@JohnS-il1dr
@JohnS-il1dr 18 дней назад
The only good scene in 3 was Pacino yelling in silence after Sofia got shot.
@rsr789
@rsr789 2 года назад
Interesting thing about Luca Brasi: he was played by Lenny Montana, a real life 'enforcer' for Colombo crime family.
@zafarsobhan9191
@zafarsobhan9191 Год назад
The Achilles heel of Godfather 2 was that they wrote out Clemenza and created the character of Frank Pentangeli. The story would have been 10 times better as originally written. The fact that Frank Pentangeli was created for the movie and therefore didn't have any real back story robbed his betrayal arc of any real dramatic substance and was the movie's fatal flaw. That too was a contract dispute! SMH
@josecarreon1828
@josecarreon1828 Год назад
I bet now they regret not paying Duvall what he asked for
@SombraPiloto
@SombraPiloto 2 года назад
I thought I was losing my mind when i saw the title of the video because I've seen Godfather I and II more times than I can possibly count and don't remember Tom dying in either of them. Turns out I simply forgot that Godfather III even exists. I'm not sure I ever knew it existed at all.
@TheScourge-sg5vv
@TheScourge-sg5vv 3 месяца назад
Well your lucky. Dont waste your time watching it
@lugo_9969
@lugo_9969 3 месяца назад
Godfather 3 was barely worthy of being associated with the two previous masterpieces.
@LeopoldoNotarianni-rk9vv
@LeopoldoNotarianni-rk9vv Месяц назад
I agree Strongly
@markwriter2698
@markwriter2698 Месяц назад
That’s what everyone told me so I passed. I didn’t have a clue of the storyline until I saw this video.
@jbmorgan
@jbmorgan Год назад
I didn't think Michael would have had Tom killed, since as you say he would have confessed it in the Vatican scene, but I always assumed the two would have been estranged after Fredo's death, since Tom was surely aware of what had really happened, and he also clearly wasn't on board with what Michael was doing towards the end of Part II, so it would make sense.
@paullinford4510
@paullinford4510 Год назад
Yes and the entire narrative arc of Godfather 2 points towards that - by the end, Michael has slaughtered all his enemies but also alienated himself from his wife, his children and his closest friends, including Tom, hence the closing shots of him sitting alone contemplating his pyrrhic victory.
@mrcuttime22
@mrcuttime22 19 дней назад
I agree with you and paullinford4510, and would add that Michael might've also seen Kate's "miscarriage" as Tom's fault. That Kate confessed it was an abortion would surely add insult to injury, and he'd blame Tom for not controlling her. I feel this should have been mentioned in this video. Even so, I don't think he'd take Tom out.
@JohnS-il1dr
@JohnS-il1dr 18 дней назад
​@@mrcuttime22she got rid of the baby because it was Tom's baby. They were having an affair.
@Palanibert
@Palanibert 2 года назад
Tom's most important counsel in GF3 would have been to tell Michael to get a better haircut.
@awillis244
@awillis244 5 месяцев назад
😂
@arias839
@arias839 4 месяца назад
😂 💯
@PaulGreen11
@PaulGreen11 2 года назад
Best Tom Hagan Scene... "Don't worry about anything Frankie Five Angels."
@royfr8136
@royfr8136 2 года назад
Part 3 - (mentioned in the comments) The fact that Coppola is still denying that he purposely put his daughter in the movie because he couldn't find another actress - no other actress other than his inexperienced daughter - so no other actress in Hollywood was available to start in a Godfather film with Coppola. - Tells me that he is in complete denial that part 3 is absolutely terrible. And it is. Not just a bad Godfather movie but a bad movie. The character of Michael is terrible. It ruins the trilogy. For me The Godfather ended at the end of part 2. It's as bad as his hair cut for that film.
@AvengerII
@AvengerII 6 месяцев назад
Winona Ryder was originally cast as the daughter of Michael Corleone but she dropped out of Godfather Part III to make another movie. Other actresses like Julia Roberts were considered but nobody wanted to do GdF III.
@royfr8136
@royfr8136 6 месяцев назад
@@AvengerII No actress in the whole of the world wanted to work with Coppola? No one.... OK. Fine I guess the ONLY choice was his own daughter with next to zero acting experience....
@JohnS-il1dr
@JohnS-il1dr 18 дней назад
​@@royfr8136yeah but she was kinda hot😊
@JayTor2112
@JayTor2112 Год назад
Tom Hagen would have saved the movie...and Winona Ryder instead of Sofia Copolla as Mary.
@robertalford2257
@robertalford2257 2 года назад
When I first saw part 3, I remember thinking how hollow it was regarding Tom Hagen. Just a short line that he was dead did not give justice to a brilliant part played by a brilliant actor. But didn't the same thing happen with Clemenza in part 2?
@albundy6008
@albundy6008 Год назад
The actor who played Clemenza wanted a lot more money and control over the script for his character so his part was rewritten for Frank Pantangelli.
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont 2 года назад
Going on the timeline between "The Godfather's Revenge" and "Part 3", there would have been some fifteen years between Tom Hagen's death and the events around Pope Paul VI's passing. It would make sense on a lot of levels (particularly with Michael's personality quirks) for Tom's absence to be barely addressed. It must have been a business thing that Paramount didn't consider "Revenge" to be canon as I thought it fit very well into the overall story line and had no conflicts with any of the films. Part 3 is often panned as mediocre, but I thought it well enough done to complete the story. Michael's death at the end could have happened at any time between 1978 and, say, 1995 (although that late date may have been unlikely given his diabetic problems). I read or heard one time that a Part 4 was kicked around but Mario Puzo passed, and the project died along with him. Summing up, Tom Hagen's death in a Florida swamp would make a lot of sense for a mob lawyer. And yes, Part 3 would have been better with Robert Duvall.
@68majortom
@68majortom 2 года назад
Was it not Michaels Daughter who Died?
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont 2 года назад
@@68majortom Yes, she died after being shot outside the opera house. But the very end of Part 3, at least on the DVD I have, shows an aging Michael sitting in a lawn chair outside the Italian villa and remembering happy times. He looks vainly around, perhaps mostly blind from his diabetes, and he struggles with his glasses. In short order a long shot show his arms fall limp to side, he slumps over, and he ends up a lifeless body on the ground beside his chair. A pet dog looked sadly on. Thus ended his tortured, complicated life.
@stevesandwichproductions1043
@stevesandwichproductions1043 2 года назад
Would I have wanted to see Tom in The Godfather Part III? Let me put it this way - I wish I had never seen The Godfather Part III.
@WinterJMG
@WinterJMG Год назад
I’m glad they didn’t go with Michael and Tom going to war with eachother. But you can’t really ignore the disrespect toward Tom with them “killing him off” just like that. Sucks because he was an important character.
@JeffSmith-pl2pj
@JeffSmith-pl2pj 2 года назад
They needed Hagen for Godfather III. They should have paid Devall and cut Keaton. She wouldn't have been missed. Hagan would never have challenged Michael. He wouldn't have wanted to be a full time Don. He never personally killed anyone. Neither did Sonny, as far as I know, but definitely a plus if you want to be a Don.
@valerieneal2747
@valerieneal2747 Год назад
I AGREE.
@DrClock-il8ij
@DrClock-il8ij 5 месяцев назад
Nobody needed to be cut Coppola was just being a cheapskate
@Jazbo777
@Jazbo777 Год назад
I did miss Tom in the third movie. I thought he would have taken over for micheal when Michael died but since micheal died old I would have loved for these two men to be together as brothers till the end.
@Aven-Sharma1991
@Aven-Sharma1991 Год назад
He couldn’t take over because he wasn’t Sicilian, he was only temporary, but the leadership would’ve gone to a sicilian The other families were already breaking their balls by referring to them as an Irish gang but they wouldn’t have tolerated Hagen as boss, they wouldn’t have respected him because he wasn’t sicilian
@PeterCombs
@PeterCombs 2 года назад
I like Duval in every movie he's ever made..."Falling Down" was one of his best.
@oldmansbasement
@oldmansbasement 6 месяцев назад
Check out his movie “Get Low”
@Seadog..11
@Seadog..11 5 месяцев назад
I had lost my job, my wife and daughter when falling down came out 😮 . ( They made that movie for me so I wouldn't go off the deep end 😊 )
@PlasmaCoolantLeak
@PlasmaCoolantLeak 4 месяца назад
He was also in two episodes of the original "Outer Limits." He's one of my favorite actors.
@JT-ju7kf
@JT-ju7kf 4 месяца назад
I agree. 🎉
@ArchyB77456
@ArchyB77456 2 года назад
Robert Duvall not being in the Godfather, part 3 as Tom Hagen was the second biggest mistake next to the ridiculously boring Vatican angle they decided to go with. Godfather 3 should have been a prequel telling the story of the ride of Don Vito and the five families with an older Michael making a minor appearance to bring his and Tom’s arc full circle. I always believed that Tom died of a heart attack at the begging of part 3.
@Augdadw
@Augdadw 7 месяцев назад
Every time I get the DVD package out to watch the Godfather I leave III in the box, only watched it once and couldn't believe they allowed Coppola to make that piece of junk for no reason other than to let his daughter have a major role. The only "Godfather III" I watch is an old HBO special where they combined scenes from 1&2 and some cut scenes, it was very good, there was another "III" put together as well doing something similar I believe. But to put out the GF III as it was should never have been allowed. Really missed Robert Duvall and Al Pacino and others were pretty awful
@vittorioabr
@vittorioabr 2 года назад
I think Tom was more cerebral than violent - obvious - as opposed to Michael who was cerebral AND violent. I think Tom was more inclined to do business - it's business, not personal - and to do cool power calculations. He would've very likely ended in a deep-background position of political power, like managing political campaigns in Vegas or LittleRock, Arkansas.
@brianjones7660
@brianjones7660 Год назад
Little Rock AR.... I saw what you did...😎
@radar0412
@radar0412 2 года назад
When Duvall asked for more money to be in Godfather III, the director was overheard saying "You're out Tom."
@AcousticArchitect
@AcousticArchitect 2 месяца назад
😂😂😂 nice one
@createdsoicancomment2833
@createdsoicancomment2833 2 года назад
Missing Tom and small other details are the reason why Godfather 3 did not feel like the other movies in the saga.
@lesterpaul9657
@lesterpaul9657 2 года назад
The other " small" details are Sofia Coppola and Andy Garcia.
@createdsoicancomment2833
@createdsoicancomment2833 2 года назад
@@lesterpaul9657 Agreed
@narragarrathunder-rider8146
@narragarrathunder-rider8146 7 месяцев назад
Godfather Part III was a rambling hot mess!
@julioaranton5223
@julioaranton5223 2 года назад
His character's absence in my opinion dealt a death blow to a Masterpiece's continiuarion.
@adobeblues
@adobeblues Год назад
Simply put, Duvall had won Best Actor Oscar already for "Tender Mercies" after three previous nominations. Pacino had not. He had several more years to wait until "Scent of a Woman". Duvall felt that the Oscar made him deserving of at least half the $5 million Pacino was getting.
@jack_k2136
@jack_k2136 2 года назад
Tom Hagen was always pragmatic. Imagining him, resigned to his fate, in the car, and choosing to reflect on happy memories, sounds exactly like Tom Hagen.
@ciaranmcguinness8900
@ciaranmcguinness8900 2 года назад
what killed Tom Hagen? Robert Duvall having standards and rightly calling out that the only reason to make a Godfather 3 was money
@GazAce
@GazAce 2 года назад
The studio should've met Duvall half way at least. The Godfather Pt 3 was a let down after the first two but if Duvall played Tom again, I think it would've been saved 🤔
@stevekru6518
@stevekru6518 2 года назад
I too would’ve enjoyed more Duvall, but unless you’re an agent with CAA or something similar, it’s risible for you to to tell Paramount and Coppola how to spend their money. Upping Duvall’s take could set off a chain reaction with demands so high the movie wouldn’t have been made. Apologies if I’ve offended you, but will make it up to you by suggesting you watch the series The Offer, which is the behind the scenes story of making Godfather
@GazAce
@GazAce 2 года назад
@@stevekru6518 No apologies man, all good. Thanks for your reply 🙏👌
@FZ-sv4tm
@FZ-sv4tm 2 года назад
Tom was the best. Hands down
@tlist1970
@tlist1970 2 года назад
It's too bad that Duvall couldn't work something out with Coppola. That's the biggest reason why it's not on par with the first 2. Duvall seems to always complete the cast and put films on a different level.
@harryleimgruber1202
@harryleimgruber1202 9 месяцев назад
Tom Hagen was undoubteless a major figure in Part 1 and 2 of the Godfather. He's part of the family and loyal to the tooth. What a shame the producer didn't want to pay him what he deserved...!!!
@kijekuyo9494
@kijekuyo9494 2 года назад
I was only interested in seeing Godfather 3 to see what would happen with the Hagen character. In the first two I saw him as a survivor, and I think it would have been best if he went on living through the series.
@nickfrate4396
@nickfrate4396 2 года назад
The Godfather without Tom Hagen is not The Godfather. He’s an important part of The Godfather story. “The Godfather” 3 is crapolla.
@johnnyutah1983
@johnnyutah1983 Год назад
I pretend Godfather 3 never happened. The first two were basically 4 parts.
@emkkahn
@emkkahn 2 года назад
Tom Hagen was arguably the BEST character the first two films. The lack of him in part 3 to counter Mike's growing crazy would have made that movie so much better. Also, Robert Duvall is a fantastic actor. The first thing I saw him in was an episode of the Twilight Zone, "The Miniature" and it's still one of my fav episodes. Great video, thanks!
@faunbudweis
@faunbudweis 2 года назад
Prendegast in Falling Down and Boss Spearman in Open Range
@cagedtigersteve
@cagedtigersteve 2 года назад
He wasn't better than Marlon Brando.
@patobantan420
@patobantan420 2 года назад
@@cagedtigersteve or AL Pacino
@Louis_Davout
@Louis_Davout 2 года назад
@@cagedtigersteve Yeah, he was...
@skydiverclassc2031
@skydiverclassc2031 2 года назад
Boo Radley in 'To Kill a Mockingbird'.
@Rohirok
@Rohirok Год назад
This is all very interesting, but there is a major flaw in your analysis: there were only 2 Godfather films.
@packtheripper1406
@packtheripper1406 2 года назад
Tom seemed to be isolated from the necessary violence, so I feel his death should have been of natural causes between movies 2 & 3. He took care of the paperwork, as the family lawyer would, and was just as guilty as any of them, but he was isolated and in my mind it was not violent.
@emilytrott
@emilytrott 2 года назад
You mention if Michael had killed Tom, or ordered someone to kill him, he would have mentioned it in GF3 when confessing to the bishop. Michael said that he had killed his own brother, and we assumed he was referring to Fredo, but Tom was also his brother and someone who he had trusted implicitly.
@SwampmasterZ
@SwampmasterZ Год назад
He was talking any Fredo, why would he not, it was on his conscience, when he had the diabetic attack in the kitchen ,he called out his name
@Chilliam13
@Chilliam13 Год назад
Michael also said "I killed my mother's son." Tom was adopted.
@emilytrott
@emilytrott Год назад
@@Chilliam13 Excellent point. I hadn't remembered the words he used, and those would definitely leave Tom out. Thank you for posting it. :)
@ApoorwVikramDwivedi
@ApoorwVikramDwivedi 4 месяца назад
If a filmmaker is serious about story then omitting a significant character over an actor declining an under par compensation is outright obnoxious. It shows in the Godfather-3. Like someone said earlier, I too have watched the first two parts a couple of dozen times over but have watched part 3 just twice and I'm not gonna ever watch it again.
@beefchops1400
@beefchops1400 2 года назад
Michael didn’t want to put him in the direct line of fire and respected him too much hence his so called demotion….Michael in many ways was protecting Tom.
@hankjones5652
@hankjones5652 2 года назад
I see it on two levels: 1) Tom was at the Commission meeting where Vito swore the peace. Tom, as consigliere, was bound by Vito's oath to maintain the peace, and... 2) I agree about Michael keeping him out of the line of fire. In fact, the further removed Tom is from the mayhem, the more likely Tom can be part of any legal proceedings against Michael and the Corleone Family. Gotti and his lawyers, Cutler and Shargel, were deemed too close, and the attorneys were deemed to be "part" of Gotti's era of the Gambino Family, thus, were disqualified from representing Gotti at his final trial where he was convicted.
@jayt9608
@jayt9608 2 года назад
@@hankjones5652 If I remember correctly was there not a moment where Michael informs Tom that by rearranging things, he was actually giving Tom more room to maneuver on his behalf? Further, it meant that he could trust Tom with everything? We eventually see Tom repay this confidence multiple ways.
@geofftaylor8627
@geofftaylor8627 Год назад
You don't ask your dentist to make you a suit.
@flapjackbickle645
@flapjackbickle645 2 года назад
I never liked Hagen, to be honest. I always thought he was a smug, charmless character, despite Duvall's good performances. As for whether he was missed in Godfather 3 - I think that was the least of Coppola's problems! A terrible script, crap direction and his daughter being the world's worst actress were a lot more problematic.
@memphis2houston346
@memphis2houston346 2 года назад
At most he was a goog supporting actor. ...
@marvinloganjr
@marvinloganjr 2 года назад
I disagree that Part 3 is mediocre. It is certainly not without us issues. However, it did present a compelling arch. Wev are all in agreement that Duvall was greatly missed. Truly a missed opportunity.
@JOEFABULOUS.
@JOEFABULOUS. 2 года назад
I liked the mix of real life events gods banker Roberto Calvi found hanging under a bridge in London the Pope's sudden death gave it realism
@powell4661
@powell4661 2 года назад
It just plain sucked, unwatchable
@robertwiesler381
@robertwiesler381 2 года назад
@@powell4661 true
@davidharrington50
@davidharrington50 Год назад
This is when they stopped caring about the movie, if Ale would have said, if he doesn't get his part. I'm done with the Godfather
@PR-BEACHBOY
@PR-BEACHBOY 2 года назад
Personally, I would’ve liked Tom Hagen to be in GF III but, it was a ch a shitty movie I don’t know how much difference Hagen would’ve made. Re. How Hagen died: I’d like to see a scene where Tom wakes up and finds his Mistresses head under his bed covers, which cause him to stroke out!
@pinkchilldivestmentor
@pinkchilldivestmentor 6 месяцев назад
Godfather three failed because there is no Tom Hagen and Sofia Coppola
@alidabaxter5849
@alidabaxter5849 Год назад
The loss of the Tom Hagen character was a dreadful miscalculation but I also never believed that Kay would beosed back into the house and that she and her ice cold husband would be reconciled - isn't credible after what happened in Godfather 2.
@dc6461
@dc6461 Год назад
It is credible. Michael at the end of g2 is Michael from gf3. When he lost Kay he got diabetes, aged over night stopped smoking drinking killing, never took the ring of his finger or touched another woman for the rest of his life. Music of gf2 is Love said goodbye by And Williams..... Michael losing a woman that was his dream. It's only natural that he wanted her back.
@katbrown1449
@katbrown1449 Год назад
Tom's presence would've helped bring a sense of continuity to the godfather 3 that it does lack. I enjoyed it yet it is also true. It's like a separate genre with a different set of characters even. So. Any of the old guys who could be brought through would have helped for real and Tom was one of the main ones who could've done this. Tom and his son the priest could've mad either more natural.
@bobfinkenbiner2539
@bobfinkenbiner2539 2 года назад
Francis Ford Coppola screwed up this film with his poor choice of his daughter as Mary Corleone. This epic failure tainted the film, and although missing Tom Hagan , the fatal flaw was self inflicted.
@valerieneal2747
@valerieneal2747 Год назад
I AGREE. I DID NOT LIKE SOFIA COPPOLA'S CHARACTER IN GFIII...IT WAS UNNECESSARY BUT WHEN YOUR DAD RUNS THE SHOW...YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
@Brembelia
@Brembelia 3 месяца назад
I agree. She has no star quality. She was a big zero. Connie was beautiful and added a feminine element; as well as being able to act. But the girl they went with was almost annoying in her lack of sparkle; a real dead zone in the picture. When she died, it was like the big so-what in terms of us experiencing the power of her loss on Michael. The moral is, don't hire family; get a professional who can bring sparkle and energy to the part.
@amalHope3
@amalHope3 5 месяцев назад
I always loved Tom Hagan's character and I think his role in the Corleone family was vital
@My20GUNS
@My20GUNS 7 месяцев назад
Tom was Michael's last brother and person he could trust. Arguably he was Vito's best son, both his character & oscar winning actor was tossed aside like trash.
@jasonchen9645
@jasonchen9645 2 года назад
The three best Scenes for me with Tom Hagen is: 1) Telling Vito news of sonny's death in Part one 2) Blackmailing the senator in vegas after they killed a prostitute and set him up with it, and 3) The scenes when he questions if michael has gone too far.
@richardmoores
@richardmoores 2 года назад
If you’re going to edit your post anyway, at least edit his name to spell it right.
@gomriria2197
@gomriria2197 2 года назад
3? Which one?
@brandos83
@brandos83 2 года назад
4) telling charlie sheen he loves the smell of naples in the morning
@shivasirons6159
@shivasirons6159 2 года назад
Smells like victory.!
@lesterpaul9657
@lesterpaul9657 2 года назад
@@brandos83 Charlie Sheen was the one in Platoon who was told by Willem Dafoe that from now on everything will turn out fine after his first reefer.😉
@BigCheech-wy9os
@BigCheech-wy9os 7 месяцев назад
He Died when paramount wouldn't pay him
@songspire
@songspire 2 года назад
Part 3 should have been a battle between Michael and Tom dealing with the way Fredo was handled, make that the main crux of the film, add in other shit, Academy Award
@MREScout
@MREScout 2 года назад
Admittedly it's been a long time since I read The Godfather Returns and The Godfather's Revenge, but I swear I remember Tom "making his bones" by killing someone at the end. Whoever the other boss was says something along the lines of "Irishman, you think they're going to let you make your bones by killing me?" and Tom, cold as ice does the deed. I don't remember the drowning in the swamp thing at all.
@peterbellini6102
@peterbellini6102 2 года назад
You are 110% correct. I absolutely remember that. Tom kills a mob boss (almost a "wannabee") and Geraci waits in a self-designed bunker until it's safe to come out. I felt that Michael respected Fausto after that and allowed him to live.
@tr7198
@tr7198 2 года назад
Wasnt that the film producer with the horse in his bed that said that to him.
@shivasirons6159
@shivasirons6159 2 года назад
Mre scout, i remember the drowning thing but it was so long ago i dont remember the particulars, they were in a rowboat on a lake i think.
@tr7198
@tr7198 2 года назад
@@shivasirons6159 That was fishing El Fredo the hail Mary episode..
@shivasirons6159
@shivasirons6159 2 года назад
TR, no this was some sequel thing, they had fredo as secretly gay and he tries some buying cemetarys scheme.
@michaell874
@michaell874 14 дней назад
According to Duvall, Tom Hagen never died, and Godfather part 3 was the unofficial version. Therefore, I think it should be redone in the right manner, even if Duvall and Al Pacino should be replaced so they can properly back date the time to when La Cosa Nostra was still very much relevant in the United States.
@notsoancientpelican
@notsoancientpelican 2 года назад
Tom didn't die, it's just that by GF III he was a big enough Star to turn down a role in a turkey movie that should have been titled, "The Search for More Money."
@krissyturner88
@krissyturner88 2 года назад
I wish Tom was in GF3. George Hamilton was a joke. Couldn't they find another Italian for the attorney? George Hamilton?? WTF??????? xoxo
@WarTheory
@WarTheory 2 года назад
What happened to Tom in the books sucked…. Nick catches Tom off guard which leads to Tom’s death in the swamp was really stupid…. You can’t really compare the book and the movie… it would’ve been nice to see Tom face off against Micheal in Part 3… But the movie was not the same without Tom… and in the book it comes across as kill Tom To throw Micheal off a little bit
@BlueShadow777
@BlueShadow777 Год назад
That final trash shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as 1&2... Tom Hagan's inclusion wouldn't have made it much better... perhaps though 'less bad'.
@robertwiesler381
@robertwiesler381 2 года назад
Pt 3 was so incredibly bad, it was even funny Most actors did a very bad job, even great actors like Pacino or the great Eli Wallach But the worst part was Sofia Coppola What a joke
@Brembelia
@Brembelia 3 месяца назад
I would like to have seen Tom and Michael end up together with Tom continuing to be loyal and supporting Michael. Maybe the opposition eliminates Tom's whole family so he fully returns to Michael and they move to Sicily together to avoid further reprisal after Mary's death. Or maybe Michael resigns as head of the family but Anthony takes over and Tom with his family move to Sicily to care for Michael as he has become a broken man. Any way you want to write this, Tom is a featured character; second to Michael.
@frankblafhoed4116
@frankblafhoed4116 2 года назад
If I knew it was about the money I would have paid Robert myself. The movie should not have been made without him.
@TTM9691
@TTM9691 2 года назад
Tom Hagen died because Paramount played it cheap and wouldn't pay him what he was worth. The original idea was for Godfather 3 to be Michael vs Hagen. Now THAT'S a premise for a movie.....way better than Michael's diabetes problem and cinema history's worst and creepiest love story subplot. Atrocious, completely out of place third act as well.
@anthonyc1629
@anthonyc1629 2 года назад
"Your attorney Tom Hagen, whatever happened there."
@Lanwarder
@Lanwarder 3 месяца назад
Somehow, I think that Tom Hagen probably is my favourite character. I see him as the most three dimensional character of the story...and let's be honest, how great is Robert Duval...then again it is a great performance in movies full of great performances.
@danielpin7472
@danielpin7472 2 года назад
I only think that Phil did 20 years
@mikimiyazaki
@mikimiyazaki 2 года назад
He wanted manicotti but he settled for a warm radiata
@joeysanmartin8098
@joeysanmartin8098 2 года назад
Ping! Pong! Bong!
@baba-gp8ls
@baba-gp8ls 2 года назад
Your a funny guy!😁😄
@t.a6159
@t.a6159 2 года назад
@@baba-gp8ls funny how?
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 2 года назад
@@t.a6159 do I amuse you ?
@MicheleHuffman-d8c
@MicheleHuffman-d8c 2 месяца назад
That was a terrible mistake not putting Tom Hagan in Godfather 3. He was considered a member of the Corleone family. Robert Duvall was made for that part. Whoever made that decision should be ashamed.
@jimtoellner7437
@jimtoellner7437 2 года назад
The Weingargner novels were well done and the death of Tom is some of the most chilling couple of pages I have read, being a Godfather devotee. Michael’s and Tom’s stories between movies 2 and 3 are interesting. Wish they could have done movies. Fredo back story also a new twist.
@Better_Call_Raul
@Better_Call_Raul 2 года назад
Have never heard of Weingarner. Thought Mario Puzo wrote all the novels.
@DiPop89
@DiPop89 2 года назад
@@Better_Call_Raul he wrote the book " the godfather returns" I believe it was because Puzo has died.. and I think it's spelled winegardner
@powell4661
@powell4661 Год назад
Read Puzo's The Sicilian, I think it was meant to be GF3 , but he was mad Paramount at the time.
@jan.641
@jan.641 9 месяцев назад
W trzeciej części brakowało Toma Hagena, wątek miłosny córki Michaela z kuzynem też zaszkodził filmowi, zamach na szczycie wieżowca jak na działania mafii trochę przesada
@pyry1948
@pyry1948 2 года назад
Being in Godfather 3 would have been a far worse fate
@scottjohnson3017
@scottjohnson3017 2 года назад
I my head-canon, The Godfather's Revenge by Mark Winegardner is the Godfather III. Especially given that it was commissioned by the Puzo family and estate. Also, it's just so much better story wise than what we were given.
@nelliethursday1812
@nelliethursday1812 2 года назад
I totally agree about the book and boy oh boy Sonny's daughter really was a chip off the old block x100
@thomassiirila4927
@thomassiirila4927 Год назад
I liked it, too. I liked that it had details of what happened, and what he saw at the end.
@fifedogg511
@fifedogg511 Год назад
Was this the book that the main character was Nick Gerchi?
@scottjohnson3017
@scottjohnson3017 Год назад
@@fifedogg511 Fausto Dominick 'Nick' Geraci Jr was the antagonist in both The Godfather Returns as well as it's sequel, The Godfather's Revenge.
@michaellalli7693
@michaellalli7693 2 года назад
The studio low balled Robert Duvall for GF3. Declining to pay Duvall and exclude him from GF3 diminishes the value of the film. Very poor decision by Paramount.
@mryeti1887
@mryeti1887 Год назад
I always viewed Tom Hagen as an embodiment of Vito. When Vito is incapacitated and dead, Tom takes on his spirit when guiding Sonny and Michael. Without Tom in the third film Michael falls apart as his dad’s spirit is gone.
@nomorephones
@nomorephones Год назад
They are all his embodiments. Sonny is Vito's flair and love, Michael is his ruthlessness and intelligence, Fredo is his will to enjoy life and Hagen is his aspiration to make his family pure American.
@freedomisfromtruth
@freedomisfromtruth Год назад
Tom wanted to negotiate with the drug dealer and acted exactly as he was told by him when he was advising Sonny.
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