I honestly always looked at Elizabeth Boleyn with a deep sympathy. Not only were two of her children sentenced to death on made up charges but her own brother helped condemn them to death after he raised them so high. Utter betrayal by family and so much pain for any woman to have to lose children. Bless her heart.
This is by no means justification, but the Howard’s were a large family and daughters were just expected to do as they were told, marry well and advance the status of the family. For several years Elizabeth Howard must have felt successful.
@@jasperhorace7147 agreed so that always made me wonder why she chose Thomas Boleyn because there wasa clear difference in their social stations. She was the daughter of a highly influential Duke with an exemplary pedigree (in terms of noble bloodline) and Thomas... was the son a Sheriff who was also descended from a yeoman/servant. (Later wealthy but according to the social hierarchy, beneath her in rank.)
@LeeLou Stei Thanks, I did a bit of reading a while after the previous comment and I saw that about his mother. However, though his claims may have been legitimate, I wonder how her family felt about her marrying someone so beneath her socially. Mary Boleyn's family disowned her for her second marriage so I wonder how the Howard family felt about Elizabeth's marriage.
@@jasperhorace7147 ..i agree , she must have been over- joyed at the boleyn's raised up status ......until it back fired on them . the howards , were a deeply entrenched english family . it seems henry had a " thing " for howard women , as they had a pedigree that was more extensive than his.............
I can’t help wishing Elizabeth Boleyn had lived to see her granddaughter’s triumph, after all the tragedies she had suffered during what seems to have been an exemplary life.
Her granddaughters "triumph"??Anne Boleyn was a cunning,conniving schemer who only sought power.What's triumphant about that??The Boleyns were upstarts,the only reason they got to court was because they married into the Howards family-my ancestors who trace our lineage back to the 12th century.
I wish Elizabeth Howard Boleyn would have longer until 1560 at least she would have been 80 by this time enough time to see her granddaughter then 27 a well established Queen on her own right She would have said goodbye to life being a happier woman feeling that her murdered daughter was avenged
She suffered deeply. No mother should endure the pain of losing children in such a brutal way. She must have been agonised by the betrayal of her family. May she rest in peace. Tudor England was the worst part of English history.
Indeed. I am glad these videos are made so people can know the truth about Anne Boleyn and how she was hung out to dry by her own uncle. It also interesting to know what became of Mary Boleyn.
Well her children were traitors. If they weren't madly ambitious and hungry for power, none of this would have happened to them, but again, you reap what you sow. She enjoyed queen Katherine's downfall. I guess we can call it karma
@@lailabel5443, do tell how Anne was a traitor. Henry and his never-satisfied cock chased everything in a skirt that he thought he could screw. Anne refused him until he would make her an honest wife. She didn’t betray him. His seed determined the sex of this children, not his wives. And George didn’t betray him either. Cromwell instigated their murders with his lies to satisfy the king’s said cock. You do remember that the king took whatever and whoever he wanted and that women were chattel, right? Their uncle, the Duke of Norfolk was just as ambitious and Henry didn’t behead him or his his family members.
How painfully sad to be betrayed by her own family and have to deal with two of her children being murdered under false charges. I hope she was reunited with them after her death.
@@tsarina24honolulu87 I don’t think it’s that common either. I don’t have that ancestry. Why are you so keen to shit on Gary who was just sharing a fact and a personal joy? Gary Mortensen, that’s really cool. Thanks for sharing!
It is no wonder that she died only two years after Anne and George. A broken heart was the likely added effect to whatever malady she suffered. Her husband Thomas also did nothing to defend his two condemned children.
Like I said previously, I usually don't comment on videos but you obviously put so much time and care into these videos, I feel an obligation to try to help the algorithm pick up your videos. Bravo as always
It’s ironic, isn’t it, that the Boleyn blood only lives on today in Mary’s descendants. It may not have seemed like it at the time but Mary was the most successful of the siblings in the end.
@@cindchan well that’s obvious. She was also the only one who didn’t fly so close to the sun that she crashed down in flames! Her relative unimportance and her absence from court saved her.
Was it her "strong morals" that prevented Anne from becoming Henry's mistress, or was she simply savy enough to understand that Henry would naturally covet that which wasn't easily won? I think Anne knew that Henry was used to getting what he wanted, and that playing "hard to get" would increase his interest exponentially.
Yes, his interest waned after he got his way, didn’t it. Women who towed the line, Anne of Cleves, Jane Seymour, and Catharine Parr kept their mouths shut and humored Henry and lived. Jane even died, which probably would have pleased Henry eventually. She went before she bored him.
@@cathaymcrae2401 Catherine Parr nearly lost her head but was fortunately saved by King Henry's death, even though she didn't deserve it. He was getting pretty grumpy towards the end Ironically she didn't particularly want to marry him but had to do her duty
Isn’t that what any smart woman does? Anyone who knows men knows that. And that’s why women in the past has ‘high morals’ as you call it, not because they are prudes, but to keep men in line and preserve civilization. Too bad some of these stupid, clueless young girls today haven’t learned this.
Elizabeth I feel died of grief. It suggests that she lived and died in London by Warnicke. She died in the abbot of Reading's place beside Baynard's Castle in London. She was buried in the Howard aisle in Lambeth Church. I wonder if she was separated from Thomas. I wonder if she blamed her brother and her husband.
Hi! The image you're using to illustrate Elizabeth Howard Boleyn actually is Margaret of Austria. Those heavy, full-headed velvet hoods were really a thing among the Hapsburg women and there are several versions of this portrait in which she wears the same/similar gown. There also is a marked resemblances between Margaret of Austria and other Hapsburg women, including Isabella and Fedinand's daughters Juana and Catalina, the latter was Henry VIII's first wife. They're easy enough to spot. I'm not aware of any portraits of Elizabeth Boleyn and that's so hard because we all want to see these people. There is a portrait, probably a posthumous image of Anne Boleyn, of a lady in heavy Elizabethan, including a small ruff, that some folks try to imagine is Elizabeth Boleyn. However, given the clothing the lady is wearing, I tend to doubt it.
I’m just thinking about how we’d know Anne Boleyn decided not to have sex with Henry VIII, unless they were married, was bc of “strong morals,” & not self preservation? She certainly wasn’t a stupid woman to get as far as she did, & one would think what happened to her sister Mary was a lesson she learned exceptionally well. Perhaps she was instructed to string Henry along until he married her, by her father & uncle, the Duke of Norfolk. I was also wondering if the loose reputation Mary had gained at the French court was truly earned, or foisted upon her for spite or other reasons?
So, was her maiden name Howard, then? I'm confused a bit because you refer to her as a Boleyn even before she married Thomas, so "Elizabeth Boleyn" didn't marry Thomas Boleyn, rather Elizabeth Howard did? Correct me if I got it wrong.
This was a great video 📹! First, I was unaware of any information on Elizabeth Boleyn. It's heartbreaking 💔 to think of this poor lady, losing infants, and two adult children executed under false charges, and never seeing her last surviving child again. Second, the pictures 📸 of Hever Castle 🏰 were breathtaking! I would love ❤ to learn more about Elizabeth and see 👀 Hever Castle 🏰 in person. Thank you so much!
I looked it up, and I think it’s Margaret of Austria. This portrait is similar to one I saw of Juana, but the necklace and a few other details are different.
I adore your channel! And goodness, the lovely quality content is coming faster and ever faster ❤️ Please forgive me though, I have to point out the grammatical error in the title - it should be ‘Mother of the Boleyns’ and NOT ‘Mother of the Boleyn’s’, as the apostrophe does not denote pluralization, only direct possession/ownership
@@TheMogregory no apostrophe necessary with the sentence structured this way. Great video, but I thought Thomas Bolyne served at court a c oi couple more years, then died shortly after his wife did. Claire Ridgeway stated so in her video. That must have been very difficult for him. And I thought he kept his titles. George Boleyne certainly lost his!
Thank You So Much for Such an Amazing video! Especially Bc of the content, as I’ve Always wondered about the relationship that Anne had with her Mother (Elizabeth), how she was effected by her children being executed, and to just learn more about her life- Many Blessings to you and your family and Please keep up the Great Work!!
Very interesting presentation. You provided the most information I have heard on a woman who seems to have had a lot of influence on pivotal historic events. I was struck by how much Elizabeth Howard Boleyn looked like portraits of Catherine Howard. Also, coincidence Elizabeth was the name of Henry and Anne's mothers.
The women Anne Boleyn, Mary Boleyn, Jane Seymour and Catharine Howard were all close cousins, related, as were many other nobles. They repeatedly married within a narrow swath of nobility, and even women of Spain, France, England, were cousins kings married were related to them. They were always asking papal dispensation for marrying too close, and went ahead and did it.
This video has sent a weird chill up my spine. Funny how things happen. This morning I came across your channel here. Watched 1 video and was hooked. Today I took a silver coin of Elizabeth 1st dated 1574 with me to Hever Castle. Stood in the small 1st floor room, over looking the moat, the room which once was Anne Boleyn bedroom. I took a photo of Anna's portrait, with the coin portrait of her daughter Elizabeth in my fingers. I return back to the holiday cottage, and the phone pings to alert me to thus video you have made. The photo of Anna and her daughter in coin form , I will post on my Instagram feed and tag you.
Elizabeth Boleyn suffered much as a mother, despite her great status and wealth. Money and prestige doesn't make one immune to suffering from the hazards and difficulties of life in a Royal court.
Great video, very informative! This is the first I ever heard of Anne Boleyn mother! I heard plenty about Anne of course, your sister Mary, brother George, and the father but never about the mother! Honestly, I assumed the woman died prior to Anne and her sibs reached adulthood! My heart broke for her mother, she lost all her babies, then had to go through the ordeal of the execution of Anne and George! I wished she would have patched things up with Mary!
I keep thinking why get involved at all. History teaches, and they would have known, court is just dangerous. I'd be pretending to have the plague or "laying in" all the time ☺ I mean I get wanting your kids to marry well but normal parents would want them alive also. You already have titles and power, just lay low and be greatful. Henry:"come to my coronation!" Me : I'm sick 😷🤧😂
As someone from Asia, it amuses and frustrates me just how many important women during this time period in England were named Elizabeth, its so hard to keep track! 🤣 Then you include other common names like Cecily and Anne and Mary.... 😱 😅
@@juliecopelandbarrows2971 Your name reminds me that for Roman history, the most common name for women is of course Julia due to the Julian family. There's also Livia and Agrippina and their variations, when I was a teenager it was hard to keep track of which one was the daughter or which one was the wife lol
Same! And Catherines and Janes too!! Oh my! 😆😄 And for the men, there are so many Thomases, Jameses, Henrys, Williams..... Robert not so much but still common enough 😄.
Without all the suffering, Elizabeth 1 would have never existed. A royal girl, then a queen woman, against all odds triumphed in a time where women were just breeders and died very easily. The Tudors definitely had a lot of very suspicious baby deaths. Too many to be just coincidence. But Elizabeth paved her way for female power, inteligence, and cunning survival. 👸🌹❤️
Really is quite stunning, isn’t it? A woman ruler all the way back then. All that history on her shoulders. I did hear though, that the baby deaths and miscarriages (mostly) were because the goblets were made of lead and so the people were constantly poisoning themselves by the use of them. Adults could tolerate the contamination but the babies and children’s bodies could not. Not saying they couldn’t have been murdered either, but just trying to add to the conversation.
If Anne had become Henry 8th's mistress, like her sister Mary, she would have kept her head ! Her mother, Elizabeth, may have counselled Anne to hold out for marriage, with disastrous results. What a dog eat dog era, was Tudor England !
Thomas Howard & the parents of poor Nine Days Queen,should be held up as examples of truly horrific child cruelty.They failed to protect them after pushing them the way THEY wanted them to go,so as to harvest the spoils.Poor Elizabeth Boleyn,she must have gone thru hell.
Elizabeth Boleyn was indeed a wretched figure as a mother to see all but one of her children predeceased her it must’ve killed her I feel for her very much… On another note of all the Boleyn children Mary was the most fortunate her love of a commoner saved her….
It's Boleyns, not Boleyn's. Boleyns is plural, Boleyn's is possessive. Example: Elizabeth Boleyn's children. The Boleyns suffered in Henry VIII's court.
Thanks for the video. Hever Castle is stunning. Who inherited it after Thomas Boleyn died, seeing as how Henry and Cromwell had murdered his son and heir? x
My heart goes out to Elizabeth Boleyn, just thinking about what she went through mentally when she was told two of her children were condemned to death. Anne and George had been condemned to die by a court of peers under the direction of her uncle, Thomas Howard
i'd be willing to bet elizabeth and thomas howard , ENCOURAGED mary in her relationship with henry . only later to abandon / and admonish her when it went awry . mary , who would go on to outlive them all..............thank you , for sharing.........
Oh, the father and uncle of Anne and Mary Boleyn encouraged the girl’s liaisons with the king shamelessly sold them really. And they lost everything when they overplayed their hands.
My understanding was that Elizabeth Howard was married by her family to Thomas Boleyn because he was wealthy, and metaphorically bought Elizabeth to increase his social status because her family had a better lineage than his. Aspiring and ambitious I have no doubt that it was Thomas who pushed both his daughters and son forward into Henry V111s sphere with catastrophic results for all of them in their own way. Poor Elizabeth Howard would have had little say in any of it.
Its so sad to me that ive been interested in anne boleyn for years and never once have seen much mention of her mother. When I've read about anne her family include her father, brother, uncle and sister, not much about her mother at all. I always wondered about her mother, if she had any part of her life but ive never found anything
As a mother it would break me if my children were executed because of lies.she myst been strong lady to be around Thomas. Who sat on council and her brother.
Well, the truth that in that era many women of her class had to endure losses in their families through battles and all sort of calamities. And where men had a voice, it was a moral virtue for women to keep numb and submit without protest. And Annes behaviour with the king led to bad fate. So many wives, daughters and mothers suffered. Remember a few: Cecily Neville who outlived all her sons, Catherine Neville, baroness Hastings, whose father and first husband were killed on the field and her second husband a "finest Lord of the realm" was viciously killed by Duke of Gloucester (no, he was never a king but an usurper and traitor) without trial- you can name quite s few! Do it was a shared fate for women, and I am not even talking about infants mortality and deaths from childbirth.. It's a sad story. I personally think, however proud they might have been to belong to the upper class, that was more challenging that being born to some middle class family. Because the upper class women were net allowed to speak out about their feelings and had to bury them deep inside constricted by upbringing and expectations placed upon them. You can be suffocating in grief but are not allowed to express any "weakness" or simply he yourself
Tragic losing her two sons to corruption in the monarchy. Mary had many descendants including celebrity Lin Manuel Miranda is a descendant of Mary Boleyn on his Britsh line via his ancestors Isabel West married to Thomas Hind who married to family of Quakers with surname Smedley.
Wait I knew her uncle was on the council that convicted her and sentenced her and her brother to die but HER OWN DADDY TOO?? I would have divorced that man so fast his head would have rolled! Henry was Jealous of George Boleyn is what it was and I think in some ways he was Jealous of Anne too
This was a great video but there was a bit of confusion in word use griping as you used it means moaning or complaining gripping which what I think you meant meant to hold. Just a small difference but a big one in meaning. They sound different I often check using an online word tool to make sure I’m saying things correctly. Hever is a fantastic place to visit
Thomas Boleyn was not stripped of his titles after the execution of his two children. He died Earl of Wiltshire and Ormonde. I wasn't aware that a portrait of George Boleyn Viscount Rochford existed so I think this too is incorrect. One must also query the identification of the sitter in the supposed portrait of Elizabeth Howard wife of Sir Thomas Boleyn Earl of Wiltshire and Ormonde. Never seen it before with this identification.
Only half way through - sure is an attack on Mary Boleyn. She carved out her own reputation? She was a disgrace to the family for her affair with Henry? wth, she benefitted the whole family by being with Henry. Mary was a victim of her time and of her family. I'd be glad to know she had a peaceful life with someone who actually loved her.
Elizabeth's death at 57, 2-3 years after Anne's death gives us some information about Anne's age. If Anne had been 36 at the time of her death, Elizabeth would have had to have been 18 when Anne was born (57-3-36 = 18). As Anne was (at a minimum) her THIRD child, is it likely that Mary and George were born to a 14/16 yr old Elizabeth ? She and Thomas married in 1498 (when she was 16, right ? )....So, Mary in 1499, George in 1500-1501, Anne in 1502-1503 (?) Sigh. Will we ever know Anne's age ? I have heard that she might have been born as early as 1500, making her 36 at the time of her death. Small wonder then that good Ole Henry needed to get rid of her...Catherine was beyond childbearing at 37
Are u sure that portrait is Lady Elizabeth Howard wife of Thomas Boleyn later created Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond. I've read many biographies of Elizabeth 1 by very good historians. NEVER seen this portrait of Queen Elizabeths grandmother. Nor the Holbein portrait said by you to be George Boleyn!!!!
Isn’t it ironic that if Henry would’ve just stuck it out or fought instead for Mary Boleyn or even Bessie Blount like he did for Anne he likely would’ve had multiple sons
I am shocked this woman survived 2 years after the murders of her 2 children especially Anne it is not a mystery to me . Elizabeth Boleyn died of a Broken Heart and Grief or if we need a techinical or medical term for it Broken Heart Syndrome its a thing .
Mary might have married without Royal consent but in the end she was the last child standing and even benefitted from the Estate of her father who treated her so badly.
Is there anything of Elisabeth having anything to do with her granddaughter Elisabeth? We hear little Elisabeth almost didn't have clothes. Seeing how Harry didn't want anything to do with her.
Mary Boleyn? She had two children early in life. She had just married, as a very young girl. There has been doubt about how old she was, maybe as young as fourteen. Just as she was starting out in life, Henry VIII saw her and made her his mistress. I don’t think you said no to him, and of course her father was happy she was involved with the king as he got all kinds of rewards, manors, etc. of course Mary’s husband, William Carey has to disappear, and Henry paid him off. We know the king didn’t like other men around his women. She had two children during this time, Catherine Carey and Henry Carey, given the title Lord Hunsdon by the king. That made-up title was said to commemorate an area where Mary and the king carried on. Catherine Carey became Queen Elizabeth’s most favored lady-in-waiting and the Queen engineered a marriage with her and Lord Knollys. Their daughter Lettice Knollys married several times. She was the spitting image of the Queen only much prettier. One of her marriages was secretly to Robert Dudley, Elizabeth’s favorite paramour. Lettice was banned from court for life. One of Lettice’s other children was Walter Deaveruex, Earl of Essex. For some reason he felt he should be on the throne-perhaps because he was Henry VIII’s direct descendant and last male heir? He rebelled against The Queen, and although she was very fond of him she executed him. To return to Mary Boleyn, she married a man name Stafford for love, and faded into obscurity. king Henry moved on to Mary’s sister Anne, and we know how that went. Apparently Mary’s family was not very fond of her because she had failed to enthrall the king and continue to bring them perks. Henry Carey lived a fairly long life, red-haired and resembling Queen Elizabeth. He was given many rewards and important positions and has numerous descendant, of whom I am one. In addition, Catherine Carey Knollys has descendants as well. Why did King Henry not acknowledge them if they were his? Very simple, he was trying to marry Anne by divorcing his wife, Catherine of Aragon on grounds of incest, not sleeping with his brother Arthur’s wife. He could not allow anyone to know he has had incestuous sex with Anne’s sister and was a big liar. The two children were proof of it and he would have lost his case. Luckily for Mary Boleyn, her husband William Carey died soon after their marriage. But she was still another Boleyn family member who suffered at the hands of King Henry.
@@janetpendlebury6808 It would have been viewed as incestuous by the Pope at that time if he were then to marry the sister of his mistress in much the same way Henry was trying to get out of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon on grounds that because she had been married to his brother beforehand, it was incestuous for her to marry her husband's brother. It is a bit different to how we see it nowadays.
@@sandraobrien8705 But he wasn't married to the sister, it was not deemed incestuous, but marrying his sister in law was deemed so. He broke with the pope because he could not get a divorce, not because he wanted to marry the sister of a mistress. He could always deny she had been his mistress.
What the hell are you talking about? Her name was Elizabeth Howard, and her family wasn’t “hoping for a rich husband” whatsoever. The Howard family was massively wealthier and more powerful than the Boleyns. Elizabeth Howard married FAR down. Why would you describe her as Elizabeth Boleyn when discussing her coming to court and looking for a husband? Further, Anne was NOT raised by her mother. She was raised in the French court. You need to do some more research.
Whilst most of the charges against Anne were false, the charge of treason (imagining the King's death) was really and there is evidence of this in a record of a conversation between Anne and Henry Norris
I want this channel to be good but the script is usually poorly written with awkward sentence structure and grammar that make listening so unpleasant. Too bad. It is a good channel oncept in general. Nice background music and images, even if the pictures are not of the people discussed in the script.
I agree. Simple words are mispronounced too. “Griped” instead of “gripped” for example. It’s a pity because the subject matter is often interesting but the poor presentation makes me suspect that the historical scholarship is lacking too.
She was a woman having zero problem to sell her daughters as mistresses in France and England if it advanced the family's position but when Mary chose to marry Stafford who was of lower social status they did cut off all ties with her not just for the public eyes or keep her out of court but completely disconnected her both Thomas and Elisabeth Boleyn and their other two kids , she was as lustful for power as all the others in her family I have zero sympathy for her.
@@MD-hp6st I am completely sure she cut off any communication even in private with Mary after Mary married Stafford and even in those patriachal times it was out of the question to demand a mother to completely seize communication with a daughter for an unauthorized marriage , no husband or brother could stop private correspondence and even her sending some money as allowance for Mary from her own allowance . Yes it was expected from her to not talk about Mary at court and public gatherings but completely cut her off and while it was her second marriage after she did as her family wanted for years this was a personal choise no husband or brother had the power to rule that only if Mary had being accused by the king as a traitor this would cut off even private correspondence but this wasn't the case so yes I am sure it was her personal choice she wanted to further use the genitals of Mary for more advance and Mary decided to marry a lower noble guy and leave decently the rest of her life instead being married or mistress for her family social climbing and Elizabeth got furious and cut off even private correspondence. And yes patriarchy is bad but there are bad women and bad mothers too.
