The Trinity Simplified 

“Three persons in one” your still a Mormon mike. Can you find what your saying is true or not? Where in the book does it says a person? God is a spirit mike not a person. Recheck your studies, you quote a lot of false teachers (scholars) and not the Bible

God never said his a trinity, why we making things up?

​@@eliasmanirambona3949 jesus was a person

@@EGGZ1983 correct, but the question is, is he now a person?

@@EGGZ1983 Is the holy spirit a person? The father is he a person?

And He lead you to this video that explains the trinity the right way. There are plenty of other videos that rejects the trinity and claims that Father is the only true God and Jesus is not God but this is false. God is triune in His eternal nature.

Also don’t neglect the Holy Ghost 🕊️✝️

There is no Trinity of three persons. It's one person with three parts. If you are worshipping a god who is a Trinity then you are deceived. It is the God head which is described in 1 John 5:7 KJV 1 John 5:7 King James Version 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

@@dougdaniel9196 You are teaching modalism and that is heresy.

@@nikokapanen82 I m not teaching modalism but Godhead which is scriptural. Romans 1:20 King James Version 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

@@Eben_Haezer I appreciate the advice but I trust Heiser about as far as I can throw him. He’s got some interesting ideas, and I agree with many, but I just don’t trust him for something this deep.

The Trinity is 3 Persons who are each 100% GOD, not part of GOD and not three separate gods, but the Three Persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are One GOD. Hope that helps, GOD bless you!

@@aeronblitz9347 that’s actually the confusing part. Lol.

@@geef0813 Yeah lol. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each are GOD but they are not each other.

@@aeronblitz9347 I believe it I just can’t understand it. Lol

Study and contemplate but don’t let yourself go crazy. Mike is a great teacher, by the way, and there is little I disagree with regarding doctrine. Faith is what saves so keep fanning the flames

Why the doctrine of the trinity (and of "Jesus is God") cannot be true (a few arguments): 1) The doctrine of the trinity is significantly in tension/conflict with reason/the intellect/the brain. However reason/the brain/the intellect is created by God, and is the tool that God gave to humans in order to make them able to discernate truth from falsehood. And The Creator did not create at all reason/the brain/the intellect for it to be oposed and in conflict/tension with the truth... (And in particular The Creator did not create at all reason/the brain/the intellect for it to be oposed and in conflict/tension with the truth revealed by Him...) Thus all of this strongly suggests and indicates that trinity is false. 2) Then if God should come on earth in human form, then such an important, essential and crucial fact would have necessarily been announced by some (if not all) of the messengers of God from the Old Testament, from Mose to Zechariah, and would have thus necessarily been explicitly found in the Torah and troughout the Old Testament. And it would have thus been found explicitly in every main branch of ancient judaism. But we observe that this "God will come on earth in human form" doctrine is NON-EXISTENT in the Torah as well as in ALL the Old Testament. And is non-existent as well in the main branches of ancient judaism. Thus it is clear that this belief/doctrine of "God will come on earth on human form" does not come at all from the messengers of God. And thus cannot be true and come from God, because if it was true and was coming from God then such an important, essential and crucial doctrine would have necessarily been taught&revealed by God to mankind through His messengers, and thus would have necessarily been explicitly included in God's longest revealed text which is the old testament (= Torah, Chronicles + Prophets). Thus at the end is is absolutely clear that this doctrine "God will come on earth in human form" does not come from God, and is not true. 3) Moreover since the birth of Abraham, for 1500 years God revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith that says that God is One and absolutely Singular. However in the trinitarian faith God is one but is not absolutely Singular, since there are 3 "persons"/"hypostasis", thus God is not Absolutely Singular. Thus if trinitarian faith is true then it automatically implies that during 1500 years God has constantly revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith, where God is One and absolutely Singular, which is false; since this faith is opposed to the trinity where God is not Absolutely Singular (because there are "3 persons/hypostasis", so God is not Absolutely Singular). So if trinity is true then it necessarily implies that during 1500 years God constantly and deliberately revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith which is false. Which makes absolutely no sense! God does not revelate false things. Thus all of this makes clear, without any ambiguity, that trinity is not true, and cannot be true. 4) Finally If Yeshua/Jesus had said and preached that he is God, then such a crucial, fundamental and essential teaching would have necessarily and inevitably been found explicitly and significantly in every gospel. But we observe that this "Jesus is God" belief/doctrine is NON-EXISTENT in ALL 3 of the synoptic gospels (which are the earliest gospels), as well in the apocryphal gospels, as well in the gospels from some hebrew communities of early Hebrew christianity, like the Ebionites. Thus it is absolutely clear that this "Jesus is God" belief/doctrine does not come at all from the original message of Yeshua/Jesus; and was not preached by him, when he publicly preached and spread the truth during 3 years. At the end all of this makes absolutely clear that the doctrine/belief of the trinity and "Jesus is God" does not come at all from any messengers of God, neither Jesus neither any other messenger of God before him, and is absolutely not true and cannot be true at all. (But indeed the one who in the bottom of his heart does not like this inevitable conclusion and does not want to accept it, and thus wants to reject this clear fact: he will always manage to be in denial and to lie to himself..) May The Creator help us and guide us in the faith and religion He accepts

@@Adri-242 Dr. Michael Heiser has a few lectures showing where and why you’re wrong. The Trinity in the OT and Two Powers of Heaven. Shalom

@@michaelbrickley2443 really ? Here is what some christian experts theologians and scholars say about this question/topic; which completely disproves what you say: John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms don't appear in the Bible" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" [Unitarian: belief that God is only One person] (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" So these quotes from some christian experts scholars and theologians completely disproves what you try to claim; which is completely false thus.

John 17:3 King James Version 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Acts 2:22 King James Version 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Yes

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3 do you ever wonder why it doesn't say, "that they might know US the one true God, and also the Holy Spirit?"

@Sean Scott because God is 1 being. Also, the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity as well. Tbh this aspect of God is beyond our brains ability to comprehend, but nonetheless true

@@aarongothier2650 you didn't really answer my question.

@Sean Scott oh sorry. I guess I'm confused by the question. Are you saying Jesus isn't God?

Sorry, but that's modalism.

So, to fill out your example, by what did you speak aloud? Your body? Maybe it comes directly from your flesh depending on the situation. By what did you write it down? Your soul telling your body what to do. By what did speak in your head or heart? Your spirit to your soul. So, are you three persons in one being as well?

Great read. Loved Nabeel

I miss Nabeel 😢

I miss Nabeel, he was such a faithful follower of Christ

Trinity is satanic. It's called the God head and it's not the same thing.

@@dougdaniel9196 If you read the Bible as a whole and not pick verses out of context, you'll see the trinity is very much supported.

What scripture did he use to describe that God is a trinity?

Here are some questions: 1. According to the trinity, God is the father + Jesus + the Holy Spirit. God is 3in1, not 1in1 or 2in1. The Bible explicitly states that the father created Jesus. So where was the holy trinity before Jesus was created and when he died? Without Jesus, God cannot be in 3in1. 2. Can you name just ONE church father from the first 3 centuries who EXPLICITLY stated God is “the father + Jesus + the Holy Spirit? 3. During the council of Nicaea, in 325, Christians scholars debated whether The father is God, or both Jesus and the father are God. Where was the Holy Spirit back then? If you have no answers to the questions, then the holy trinity as you know it (God = the father + Jesus + the Holy Spirit), has nothing to do with what Jesus really preached.

Christian teaching states that Christ is "ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN" in the Father, but was NEVER created. Confused? He's God. You're supposed to. To answer your second question: Theophilus of Antioch is the earliest Church father documented to have used the word "Trinity" to refer to God. Some of the evidence used to support an early belief in the Trinity are triadic statements (referring to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) from the New Testament and the Church Fathers. Source:Wikipedia: Trinitarianism in the Church Fathers And your final question: the debates in question were specifically on the Trinity, and weather Jesus really was THE SON. They did not forget the Spirit, rest assured, the debate was about THE SON. And here is some Trinity in the Bible, in the form of Matthew 3:16-17 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from the heavens said, "this is My son, in whom I am well pleased." If you have any other questions, let me know! God bless ☦️

@@Spookweave 1. Which verse in the bible EXPLICITLY states Jesus is ETERNALLY begotten? 2. When has Theophilus EXPLICITLY stated God is "the father + Jesus + the Holy spirit"? Post a quote from Theophilus for us to read. 3. Concerning my last question, please prove that the council of Nicaea was about the belief that God is Jesus + the father + the holy trinity. Post your evidence from the source, not your interpretation. The Council of Nicea was convened in order to vote on "the divinity of Jesus". It has nothing to do with what modern Christians believe.

@@laccess911 I see where this is going. You're not going to accept what I say no matter what I say are you? I've had too many debates where I'm expect to clarify my points unto infinity and never actually be listened to. I told you the teachings of the church. I do not know an exact verse. Go talk to a priest.

@@Spookweave Would you accept a statement without evidence? All the documents historians and theologists have at hand prove that the trinity "as you understand it" was not what Christians believed in. Why would you ignore the facts and accept interpretations? A priest is a human being like you and I. A priest's interpretations are not the truth because truth is free from assumptions. Back in the days, first century, some Christians did not even believe Jesus was crucified. You can read the seven letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch.

14 more BIBLICAL prayer points for praying for the LOST: Jesus and Paul actually told us specifically what to pray for on several occasions: 1 “pray for us that the word of the Lord will spread rapidly and be glorified” 2 Thessalonians 3:1 ------- 2 Jesus said we should pray for more labourers. "Then Jesus said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore PRAY earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.”" Matthew 9:37-38 Jesus said: “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore PRAT earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest." Luke 10:2 ------- 3 We can pray for more opportunities to share the Gospel, and for God to open more doors for effective work: "pray for us, too, that God may open a door for our message, so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in chains." Colossians 4:3 “because a great door for effective work has opened to me” 1 Corinthians 16:9 ------------------------- 4 We can pray that God will give us all the right words to say. "Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel," Ephesians 6:19 ------- 5 We can pray that God will give all Christians the boldness to share the gospel. "Lord... grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness... And when they had prayed... they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness." Acts 4:29-31 ------------------------ 6 We can pray that Christians will speak boldly RELYING ON THE LORD: “they spent a long time there speaking boldly with reliance upon the Lord” Acts 14:3 ------------- 7 We can pray for God to draw more people to Jesus and to grant more people to come to Jesus. Jesus said: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" John 6:44 Jesus said: “No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” John 6:65 -------------------------- 8 We can pray that God will REVEAL the reality and truth about Jesus to more people. "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not REVEALED to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in Heaven." Matthew 16:16-17 "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and REVEALED them to little children." Matthew 11:25 --------------------------- 9 We can pray that God will teach more people. Jesus said: "It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him COMES TO ME." John 6:45 -------------------------- 10 We can pray that God will open more hearts to attend to His message. "The Lord opened her heart to attend to the things being spoken by Paul." Acts 16:14 ------------------------- 11 We can pray that God will open more eyes to see and open ears to hear so that they would turn to God and God would heal them. Jesus said: "I send thee (Paul), TO OPEN THEIR EYES, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Acts 26:17-18 “while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand….. OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’ But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.” Matthew 13:13…16 “The hearing ear and the seeing eye, The Lord has made both of them.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭20:12‬ “Yet to this day the Lord has not given you a heart to know, nor eyes to see, nor ears to hear.” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:4‬ ---------- 12 We can pray that God in his mercy and generosity will bring more prisoners out of spiritual dungeon into the freedom and light of Jesus Christ. “proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free.” Luke 4:18 “a light to the nations, To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who dwell in darkness from the prison.” Isaiah 42:7 ---------- 13 We can pray that God will grant more people repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth: “in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth” 2 Timothy 2:25 --------- 14 We can pray that new converts/disciples will find/be guided to/or have guided to them good Christian teachers who can help to disciple them correctly in the way, so that they can mature as God wants them to: just as God provided Philip to teach the Ethiopian so that the Ethiopian could understand what God wanted him to understand in Acts 8:26-40, or as God provided Priscilla and Aquila to teach Apollos in Acts 18:24-26 or as God provided Paul to some disciples in Ephesus who lacked knowledge in Acts 19:1-5 AND: We can rejoice, thank and praise God in our prayers for His Holy Spirit who guides all genuine new converts/disciples into all truth: “when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.” John 16:13-14 --------- 15 We can pray that we will have more of God's love in our hearts for the lost so that we will not be afraid to share the Gospel, but that God's love in us will override any fears and make it automatic that we share the gospel in love. If there was a frozen lake, you wouldn't want to go swimming in it. But if a small child fell in, you would automatically dive in to save them. We can pray for love that will cause us to act. ------------------------- "Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankful." Colossians 4:2 Jesus told us multiple times throughout Scripture to watch and pray always.

Amen thank you @SpielbergMichael for these prayer points and the time you spent typing these out God bless you abundantly

@@derickwhitson2684 Thank you for your kind words. May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly too!

@@SpielbergMichael for sure and l receive in Jesus name!

Thank you for this. So complete and contains everything. God 🙏 Bless You 💕💜

@@memowilliam9889 We left God as prodigal sons. That was a correction Jesus made to the Genesis story. God didn't kick us out, but we think he is mad at us for leaving, still. We made up guilt, fear, anger, sin, death. God's inheritance is love, truth and eternal life. The road back is made up of changing our false ideas. It's a lifelong process, not a ceremony we go through being born again. We return to knowing we are spirit, all one with God instead of bodies separate from each other and God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. No sacrifice can do that for us. Sacrifice or self-punishment is what we think ends our guilt. our separation from God. Jesus returned from thinking God has forsaken him on the cross through forgiveness. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love." As spirit, we are still as God created us. The world we are on but not of is not who we are.If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent."

@@memowilliam9889 I don't react to sarcasm.

This is my exact problem with the trinity. It holds a low view of humanity and does not include us into the unity that Jesus came to offer to us

@@deandreofficial If you are talking about the view that humans have of the trinity, you are including what people think about themselves. Guilt makes people think they are sinners who are separate and opposed to God. So they project that false idea onto the Trinity as a mirror. They think they deserve punishment and some of that is in the Bible as well. But there is is writing that is opposed to those ideas. With forgiveness, we know we are all innocent. As created to be love, punishment has no place in our relationship with God. Sacrifice is punishment, which is not needed at all with mercy. . "If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent." There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

@@robertdouglas8895 Amen! What makes the doctrine worse is Christians saying it’s a salvation issue. When there is no scripture that says that we must believe “Jesus is God”. He is the messiah, the Son of God and the savior of all humanity. Trinitarians spend a lot of time calling Jesus something that he never called himself

How is this not Tritheism?

​@@BrandonE-ri4kmBecause the trinity does not say that God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost are all different and separate gods with different messages. They all preach the same message. They are all God and make up God in essence.

Why the doctrine of the trinity (and of "Jesus is God") cannot be true (a few arguments): 1) The doctrine of the trinity is significantly in tension/conflict with reason/the intellect/the brain. However reason/the brain/the intellect is created by God, and is the tool that God gave to humans in order to make them able to discernate truth from falsehood. And The Creator did not create at all reason/the brain/the intellect for it to be oposed and in conflict/tension with the truth... (And in particular The Creator did not create at all reason/the brain/the intellect for it to be oposed and in conflict/tension with the truth revealed by Him...) Thus all of this strongly suggests and indicates that trinity is false. 2) Then if God should come on earth in human form, then such an important, essential and crucial fact would have necessarily been announced by some (if not all) of the messengers of God from the Old Testament, from Mose to Zechariah, and would have thus necessarily been explicitly found in the Torah and troughout the Old Testament. And it would have thus been found explicitly in every main branch of ancient judaism. But we observe that this "God will come on earth in human form" doctrine is NON-EXISTENT in the Torah as well as in ALL the Old Testament. And is non-existent as well in the main branches of ancient judaism. Thus it is clear that this belief/doctrine of "God will come on earth on human form" does not come at all from the messengers of God. And thus cannot be true and come from God, because if it was true and was coming from God then such an important, essential and crucial doctrine would have necessarily been taught&revealed by God to mankind through His messengers, and thus would have necessarily been explicitly included in God's longest revealed text which is the old testament (= Torah, Chronicles + Prophets). Thus at the end is is absolutely clear that this doctrine "God will come on earth in human form" does not come from God, and is not true. 3) Moreover since the birth of Abraham, for 1500 years God revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith that says that God is One and absolutely Singular. However in the trinitarian faith God is one but is not absolutely Singular, since there are 3 "persons"/"hypostasis", thus God is not Absolutely Singular. Thus if trinitarian faith is true then it automatically implies that during 1500 years God has constantly revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith, where God is One and absolutely Singular, which is false; since this faith is opposed to the trinity where God is not Absolutely Singular (because there are "3 persons/hypostasis", so God is not Absolutely Singular). So if trinity is true then it necessarily implies that during 1500 years God constantly and deliberately revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith which is false. Which makes absolutely no sense! God does not revelate false things. Thus all of this makes clear, without any ambiguity, that trinity is not true, and cannot be true. 4) Finally If Yeshua/Jesus had said and preached that he is God, then such a crucial, fundamental and essential teaching would have necessarily and inevitably been found explicitly and significantly in every gospel. But we observe that this "Jesus is God" belief/doctrine is NON-EXISTENT in ALL 3 of the synoptic gospels (which are the earliest gospels), as well in the apocryphal gospels, as well in the gospels from some hebrew communities of early Hebrew christianity, like the Ebionites. Thus it is absolutely clear that this "Jesus is God" belief/doctrine does not come at all from the original message of Yeshua/Jesus; and was not preached by him, when he publicly preached and spread the truth during 3 years. At the end all of this makes absolutely clear that the doctrine/belief of the trinity and "Jesus is God" does not come at all from any messengers of God, neither Jesus neither any other messenger of God before him, and is absolutely not true and cannot be true at all. (But indeed the one who in the bottom of his heart does not like this inevitable conclusion and does not want to accept it, and thus wants to reject this clear fact: he will always manage to be in denial and to lie to himself..) May The Creator help us and guide us in the faith and religion He accepts

@@gcinumuzigola4797 You really don’t get it do you? He literally says there are 3 person and one god. Here’s how it is to help you understand even more. God in Heaven is the father YHWH. God on earth is the word YHWH. The Holy Spirit is also YHWH. The father is the mind of YHWH. The Son aka Jesus is the voice and word of YHWH personified. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of YHWH personified. They all share one identity which is YHWH and YHWH is God.

1 God 3 persons, this verse just proves the trinity

​@andrewgardner9688 Please tell me which scripture says that God is 3 persons?

@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s its implied considering what they say in the book. Trinity was not used till the 2nd century but neither is the word dalí the doctrine of God is not mentioned in the Quran either. It sets the premise for a later concept I forget the name of but that wasn’t used after the Quran was written longer than the word trinity was after the Bible. That doesn’t mean it disproves either of them.

@andrewgardner9688 don't worry about what's implied. Here's what it actually says... John 17:3 King James Version 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Person 2 of the trinity said that person 1 of the trinity is the only true God.

I think this is close. The difference is that where the body/mind/soul are not necessarily all in agreement, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are always in agreement at all times. There is never anything discordant about them.

4Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

@@penguinusrex yes good point, and that agrees with the concept that Christ and the spirit submit their will to the fathers. Pointing out they do have their own will but as you rightly note their will all agree due to the hierarchy followed by them. I guess just another example of how our sinful and corrupt bodies muddy the water of Gods design.

​@@penguinusrex Does Trinity an Excuse For Idolatry? • Trinitarian - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit • Babylonian - Nimrod, Simeramus, and Tammuz • Ancient Egypt - Osiris, Isis, and Horus • Ancient Meccans - Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat • Greek mythology - Zeus, Poseidon, and Adonis • Ancient Roman - Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva • Hinduism - Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva • Human sacrifice ( Jesus's crucifixion) is paganistic • You shall have no other gods before me ( God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ) • You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything ( statues and images ) • You shall not bow down to them or worship them; ( statues and images ) 7 Pagans Festival • Christmas. ( Sol Invictus, the Unconquered Sun ) • New Year's Day. ( Roman god; Janus ) • Easter. ( Etruscan mother goddess ) • The Roman version of Halloween. ( memory of the Dead ) • May 1st - Labor Day. ( Goddess Maia ) • Epiphany or Three Kings Day. ( Goddess Diana ) • Saint John's Eve. ( Goddess Fortuna )

@@christian11111 The wills of the Son and the Spirit are not different wills that submit to the Father's, but rather the will of the Son and of the Spirit is the same as that of the Father.

Christians: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth Pagan Hindus: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth … Also Christians: Hindus are pagans and Christians believing in trinity are monotheists Make it make sense 🤦🏻‍♂️

​@@rjanjimhindu have 33 million gods 😂

Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. He don't know about the hour because jesus is not god and not gods son, he is a prophet like moses and mohammed (peace and blessings about them all). Only Allah knows about the hour exact the same what the quran says^

​​@@ispartali3210"I and the Father are one." John 8-58 And the Quran says to believe the Bible. Surah 3:3 3:3) He has revealed this Book to you, setting forth the truth and confirming the earlier Books, and earlier He revealed the Torah and Gospel (3:4) for the guidance of mankind; and He has also revealed the Criterion. Oh, and about that verse you just gave, Jesus BECAME MAN, and when He did so, He took upon Himself human LIMITATIONS, physical AND mental, putting on a metaphorical BLINDFOLD.

The Scriptures literally tell us Jesus did not possess the perfect omniscience of the Father in Matthew 24:36, nor does He possess aseity since He receives life and is contingent on His Father (John 5:19 and 5:26). So your Augustinian model of the Trinity falls apart while the monarchichal trinitarian model of the ante-nicene church and Nicene Creed remains intact.

​@Thomas B exactly

​@@IAmisMaster No you are mistaken. You have to understand that jesus emptied himself in order to be fully man and restricted his abilities as God just like philippians 2 say: 7 but [a]emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and [b]being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death [c]on a cross. 9 Also there are many ocassiosn where christ claims to be God just like mark 14 or John 8

​@@IAmisMaster if jesus its not fully God. Then you are claiming salvation to a created creature. And that is blasphemy

@@Remembering1453 First off, King Crimson is the best band of all time, so kudos for good taste in music. Second, you don't understand the nuance that the early church understood about Christ's divinity and the Trinity. I am absolutely not saying Christ is a created creature. Philo, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius etc. all plainly taught Christ was begotten of the Father before creation, and therefore, was neither created nor uncreated, but a third category: begotten. So your attempt to box me into Arianism does not work. And no one is saying Christ is not "fully God" in the sense that Christ can be said to have the same exact divine nature His Father has and is given all divine power by the Father. But I am saying Christ is not the Father, who alone is the One God and alone has all aseity and omniscience of Himself. That's what the Bible teaches and all ante-nicence Christians believed. Third is a clarification. Are you saying Philippians 2 teaches Christ did not possess omniscience while on earth only, but when ascended, he regains all those attributes?

Trinity, as name suggest end in three. So no aunts or cousins.

Fake "Christians" like this man spend their time reading what other men say about God and Jesus instead of reading what's clearly written about who Jesus is on almost every page of the New Testament. And what Jesus himself says! ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

Sorry, which chapter and verse did he use which had God describing himself as 3 persons in one God?

@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s With all love and respect,are you asking is GOD a TRIUNE GOD,or are you asking about his explanation of the Trinity? He never gave a specific Bible verse,he was giving a quick explanation of who the Trinity was.

the dialog between Prophet Isa (Jesus) with Allah .If you all don't mind, I want to share... (have no intention to provoke or anything becuz u all have ur own stands.. these are verses from Surah Al-Mai'dah, (5: 116-118) وَإِذْ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ ءَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ ٱتَّخِذُونِى وَأُمِّىَ إِلَـٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ سُبْحَـٰنَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِى بِحَقٍّ ۚ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُۥ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُۥ ۚ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِى وَلَآ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِكَ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّـٰمُ ٱلْغُيُوبِ (١١٦) مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلَّا مَآ أَمَرْتَنِى بِهِۦٓ أَنِ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّى وَرَبَّكُمْ ۚ وَكُنتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًۭا مَّا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ ۖ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِى كُنتَ أَنتَ ٱلرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَأَنتَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ شَهِيدٌ (١١٧) إِن تُعَذِّبْهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ عِبَادُكَ ۖ وَإِن تَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ فَإِنَّكَ أَنتَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ (١١٨) And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O ‘Îsâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?’ " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). (116) "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (117) "If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (118) Also in Surah Ali-Imran, (3: 47-49) when Allah explained the mukjizat He gave to Prophet Isa (power/signs of Prophet Isa as His messanger) قَالَتْ رَبِّ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِى وَلَدٌۭ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِى بَشَرٌۭ ۖ قَالَ كَذَٰلِكِ ٱللَّهُ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۚ إِذَا قَضَىٰٓ أَمْرًۭا فَإِنَّمَا يَقُولُ لَهُۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ ٤٧ وَيُعَلِّمُهُ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ وَٱلْحِكْمَةَ وَٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ وَٱلْإِنجِيلَ ٤٨ وَرَسُولًا إِلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ أَنِّى قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِـَٔايَةٍۢ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّىٓ أَخْلُقُ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلطِّينِ كَهَيْـَٔةِ ٱلطَّيْرِ فَأَنفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًۢا بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ ٱلْأَكْمَهَ وَٱلْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْىِ ٱلْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِى بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذَٰلِكَ لَـَٔايَةًۭ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ٤٩ She (Maryam) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allâh creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is. (47) And He (Allâh) will teach him [(‘Îsâ (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (48) And will make him [(‘Îsâ (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. (49) The full story is from the verse 33-51+ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّى وَرَبُّكُمْ فَٱعْبُدُوهُ ۗ هَـٰذَا صِرَٰطٌۭ مُّسْتَقِيمٌۭ ٥١ Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path. (51) - This is one of his (Isa-Jesus) speech in Al-Quran, and very similar to: Deutoronomy 6:4 "Hear O Israel": The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Mark 12:29 "Hear O Israel": The Lord our God, the Lord is one. May God leads us all to the true path. Aamiin. May happiness, the true path, the guide will always with you, and us all Aamiin.

The Trinity is a church doctrine not found in the Christian scriptures. Jesus was a Jew and belonged to a sect of Judaism.

@@waitstill7091 actually, Jesus was a Israelite. The Jews are Edomites. But you are right about the trinity being church doctrine and not biblical.

@@mwilliams1308 What source(s) do you have to prove Jews are not a part of Israel? Can you show me where in the Tanach you see this?

@@mwilliams1308 The corruption spoken of in Malachi, referred to the post-exilic period. You can read all about this in Ezra 9 and 10. 11Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah has profaned the holy one of the Lord [in] that he loved and married the daughter of a foreign god. Malachi 2:11 "The people of Israel, the priests, and the Levites were not separated from the peoples of the lands, like the abominations of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.3For they have taken of their daughters for themselves and for their sons, and the holy seed has become mingled with the peoples of the lands, and the hand of the chiefs and the deputies was first in this treachery." Ezra 9:2-3

@@mwilliams1308 Any future prophesy is presupposition not stated in the text. 22Keep in remembrance the teaching of Moses, My servant-the laws and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel. Malachi 3:22 Judaism is the religion adhering to the teaching of Moses, not Christianity.

Christian’s are the most stupid that exist

Why the doctrine of the trinity (and of "Jesus is God") cannot be true (a few arguments): 1) The doctrine of the trinity is significantly in tension/conflict with reason/the intellect/the brain. However reason/the brain/the intellect is created by God, and is the tool that God gave to humans in order to make them able to discernate truth from falsehood. And The Creator did not create at all reason/the brain/the intellect for it to be oposed and in conflict/tension with the truth... (And in particular The Creator did not create at all reason/the brain/the intellect for it to be oposed and in conflict/tension with the truth revealed by Him...) Thus all of this strongly suggests and indicates that trinity is false. 2) Then if God should come on earth in human form, then such an important, essential and crucial fact would have necessarily been announced by some (if not all) of the messengers of God from the Old Testament, from Mose to Zechariah, and would have thus necessarily been explicitly found in the Torah and troughout the Old Testament. And it would have thus been found explicitly in every main branch of ancient judaism. But we observe that this "God will come on earth in human form" doctrine is NON-EXISTENT in the Torah as well as in ALL the Old Testament. And is non-existent as well in the main branches of ancient judaism. Thus it is clear that this belief/doctrine of "God will come on earth on human form" does not come at all from the messengers of God. And thus cannot be true and come from God, because if it was true and was coming from God then such an important, essential and crucial doctrine would have necessarily been taught&revealed by God to mankind through His messengers, and thus would have necessarily been explicitly included in God's longest revealed text which is the old testament (= Torah, Chronicles + Prophets). Thus at the end is is absolutely clear that this doctrine "God will come on earth in human form" does not come from God, and is not true. 3) Moreover since the birth of Abraham, for 1500 years God revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith that says that God is One and absolutely Singular. However in the trinitarian faith God is one but is not absolutely Singular, since there are 3 "persons"/"hypostasis", thus God is not Absolutely Singular. Thus if trinitarian faith is true then it automatically implies that during 1500 years God has constantly revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith, where God is One and absolutely Singular, which is false; since this faith is opposed to the trinity where God is not Absolutely Singular (because there are "3 persons/hypostasis", so God is not Absolutely Singular). So if trinity is true then it necessarily implies that during 1500 years God constantly and deliberately revealed to all His messengers and their followers a faith which is false. Which makes absolutely no sense! God does not revelate false things. Thus all of this makes clear, without any ambiguity, that trinity is not true, and cannot be true. 4) Finally If Yeshua/Jesus had said and preached that he is God, then such a crucial, fundamental and essential teaching would have necessarily and inevitably been found explicitly and significantly in every gospel. But we observe that this "Jesus is God" belief/doctrine is NON-EXISTENT in ALL 3 of the synoptic gospels (which are the earliest gospels), as well in the apocryphal gospels, as well in the gospels from some hebrew communities of early Hebrew christianity, like the Ebionites. Thus it is absolutely clear that this "Jesus is God" belief/doctrine does not come at all from the original message of Yeshua/Jesus; and was not preached by him, when he publicly preached and spread the truth during 3 years. At the end all of this makes absolutely clear that the doctrine/belief of the trinity and "Jesus is God" does not come at all from any messengers of God, neither Jesus neither any other messenger of God before him, and is absolutely not true and cannot be true at all. (But indeed the one who in the bottom of his heart does not like this inevitable conclusion and does not want to accept it, and thus wants to reject this clear fact: he will always manage to be in denial and to lie to himself..) May The Creator help us and guide us in the faith and religion He accepts

Christians: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth Pagan Hindus: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth … Also Christians: Hindus are pagans and Christians believing in trinity are monotheists Make it make sense 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@rjanjimnot only the trinity but their holidays as well 😂

​@@rjanjimNot all Christians are like that. True CHRISTians actually listen to what Jesus Christ says. And Jesus was no "Trinitarian". ‭"And Jesus answered him: The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this: 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. There is none other commandment greater than these" (Mark 12:29-31) ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

⁠​⁠​⁠@@rjanjimYeah believing in the Trinity is monotheistic because in the Trinity there’s only one God.

For that verse, consider that Jesus is _our_ father because He is our creator who desires to gather us, His children, under His "wing", as a hen does her chicks. But He Himself has God as His Father. The Church Fathers are generally agreed that the God of revelation is chiefly Jesus Christ. What seems to follow from this is that we only know about Jesus' Father because He told us about Him. I point this out because I think part of the confusion here is in assuming that God as known "before Christ" was primarily Jesus' Father.

Jesus has a God before he came to earth... John 17:5 5 "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Philippians 2:6 6 "who, although he (Jesus)was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." Jesus had a God while on earth (why would anything change?) John 8:42 42 Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth." Notice Jesus speaks of God often, this title is always applied to our Father, and he never includes himself under that title. Jesus is always given the title Lord. 1Timothy 2:3-5 "This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all." That word mediator, it means Jesus can't be God. You cannot be a mediator if you're one of the 2 parties with a grievance. This scripture is nonsense if Trinity is true. And Jesus has a God after he returns to heaven... 1 Peter 3:22 says Angels "were made subject to him." If Jesus were God almighty, equal to his Father, Angels would already automatically be subjected to him. Right? 1 Peter 3:22 22 He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, (who's right hand?) for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him." Col 3:1 "go on seeking the things above, where the Christ is seated at the right hand of God." Right hand of who? GOD. Would anyone reading the Bible glean that Jesus is the same as his Father? No chance. The Truth is easy to explain and understand . Lies are what's difficult to explain.

The heathen sacrifice their children Learn not the way of the heathen. God would not partake in a evil ritual. God our creator was the ultimate sacrifice who clothed himself in flesh.

@@Marie_me_I hope you realize how ridiculous that sounds. God cannot die so how is it a sacrifice to die on the cross if he can’t die? The trinity is ridiculous

@@ghernandez2263 it’s the ritual of killing his “son” I’m talking about. It’s not what God would do. And yes the Trinity IS ridiculous. Jesus is the father and the spirit. He’s NOT three in one he’s just one who came down died for our sins and rose again. That’s what I’m trying to say.

No, Jesus was talking to the Father.

It's not complex, it's a lie being taught to make people believe. It's satans work at best.

That's what every christian says when they can't explain neither understand it😂

​@PariJha-vz9ep you think a being outside of spacetime would be totally comprehensible to us even if it tried its hardest to explain its existence?

@@kirjian Yeah because that "being" created us and our mind. And. If he himself isn't capable of creating us in a way we. Can understand him,then that means he is not all. Powerful

@@PariJha-vz9ep so wait, your issue is God being all powerful or God creating us in the specific way that you want to be created? Which is it?

@@kirjian Read your previous comment again,"even if it tried it's hardest to explain its existence". You just admitted God couldn't explain itself even if it wanted to😂. That's not all-powerful tbh

There's one God name Jehovah. Jehovah begotten a Son and the Son inherited all the divinity of his Father making him God aswell. Everything bear seeds after their own kind. As a human born human babies so did God born a God Son. This means Jesus had a beginning otherwise he cannot be Jehovah's literal Son. The Holy Spirit is God's own Spirit who can act independently from him. The Holy Spirit is not a separate person from God, he's God's personal presence. In the beginning there were two Gods and there are still only two People sitting on the throne of God in heaven. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let "us" make man in our image, after our likeness... Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I (Jesus under the title of wisdom) brought forth: Philippians 2:6 Who (Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son (Jesus) he (Jehovah) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Psalms 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalms 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

@@shawn3126 I'm not sure what your point is?? If you're a trinitarian why isn't the word trinity in the Bible, trinitarians never seem to answer that simple question?

Exactly! Thsi why is playing in dangerous waters. The trinity is a made up doctrine that is based on paganism and modelism.

⁠@@andyeharatrinity is made up doctrine, based on modalism?Nah Paganism maybe, they’re many videos indicating so. Key word “maybe” tho Unitarianism is biblical (John 3:16,John 17:3)✝️

@@Bxazh Paganism as well. It's based on the 3 Gods are one in Hinduism. We know where practicing that will get you. Even non Christians are coming out of the blue saying they've had a bad experience in practicing Yoga.

Dummies ( I shouldn't be so harsh, but.....) Can't see how most likely Satan has used this as a toold to misguide people from the truth. All the contridictions in the new testament just shows how much early christians weren't capable of translating the bible. Matt 28:19 was manipulated. Luke 24:52 was added - proof as it doesn't exists in the codex sinaiticus. Matt, Mark, and Luke are different as far as Jesus going to Egypt and Nazareth. This was another trick by Satan as now, people have an excuse or reason to run away from Christianity. Where as the old testament pretty much coincides with the Tanakh and Torah.

Lol also, not one verse says “God is tri-une” or “three persons”

@@Bxazh Those peopel are deceived. You ahve people like the content creator spreading a false paganistic doctine. It's sad beause peopel are believing this. 1 Tim 4 sheds some light on the matter. He knew this would happen.

@@andyehara Jesus never taught the Trinity to His disciples. This doctrine was invented centuries later at the councils of Nicaea (325 AD) and Constantinople (381 AD) [1][2]. The New Testament, written by Jesus’s closest followers, does not mention the Trinity because early Christians did not believe in it [3]. If the Trinity wasn’t part of Jesus’s original teachings, then Christianity is built on fabricated doctrines. How can you trust a faith that distorts its founder's message? This fundamentally undermines the credibility of Christianity. [1] “The Nicene Creed,” The Council of Nicaea, 325 AD. [2] “The Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed,” The Council of Constantinople, 381 AD. [3] The New Testament writings, including the Gospels and the Epistles.

@@dmisidia9359 wait you are against the trinity and the divinity of Jesus?

The trinity was mentioned in the bible Mathew 28:19

@@KoroiTuima Did you not read what I wrote??? The TRINITY is only mentioned in the New Testament, and it was written by Paul, Paul was NOT alive during the time of Jesus(PBUH). Where in the Old Testament does it ever mention the word TRINITY???

@MubarakAli-ix3xk if you read Genesis 1:26 it specifies a plural God it's not God and try searching what Elohim means

@@KoroiTuima In Hebrew, there are 2 kinds of plural. Plural of numbers, and plural of respect. Elohim in Hebrew means sign of respect. Ask any Jew, they will say Elohim does not mean Gods, but rather it means a sign of respect to God. Genesis 1:1 says “ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”. It doesn’t say Gods created the heavens and the earth. El means God, and ohim means plural of respect.

@MubarakAli-ix3xk Elohim is a plural noun used to convey a singular God, we don't say God's but when we refer to God we refer to Elohim as something more than one....like Genesis 1:2 the spirit of God ,Judges 14:6 the spirit of the lord empowers Samson, 1 Samuel 16:13 the spirit of the lord comes to David and is annoited by Samuel to be King ....all this verses points out the holy spirit

Yes ofcourse it's like trying to fit the entire sea in a small paper cup

no.. it's because it is full of contradictions since it's man-made not from almighty God the creator of everything the ever-lasting and all-Powerful Allah@@Aron-my6gy

@@اللّهمصلّعلىنبينامحمد-و6كIslam is blasphemy and Muhammad was a false prophet. Stay mad, Abdool.

Three distinct persons in one divine God makes sense. You just need time to understand it and to properly explain it to other people. I struggled with this too until I realized its essence.

​@@اللّهمصلّعلىنبينامحمد-و6ك"allah" is a false being. There is only our Lord and Savior, not "allah".

They cant explain. They go through labyrinths of confusion just to try to explain the unexplainable Yet people walk away still confused and no questions answered

@@AstariahJW I trust in Lord GOD. I'm not sure what you are trying to do, but I will keep the path.

​@@AstariahJWthe concept of God is unexplainable if you want to honest from a human standpoint.

@@MalevolentBite that's what Christendoom say but it's not what bible teaches

@AstariahFox ok. In what regard are you talking about? I need more information. I am just speaking from a general opinion of explaining something out of a human element. Are you referencing something in particular?

@@samronberhane8785 So God is not an Entity but characteristics that 3 guys Share 😂😂😂

Nope. All three are FULLY God. I wish I could explain it better but there really is no easy way to understand it.

@@Spookweave then there will be 3 Gods if all three are fully God . Either u choose 3 or accept that God is a characteristic which 3 person shares

@@rahmanibrothers1017 False dichotomy. There is ONE GOD. God is THREE PERSONS. He is not three gods. He is one God, made up of three persons, who are in complete agreement 100% of the time.

@@Spookweave can u define person ?

Read the Athanasian Creed

Mike Winger's definition of the Trinity is not logical and was invented in the 4th century. Listen to Beau Branson and David Bercot describe the original doctrine of the Trinity as understood by the Ante-nicene Christians like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, etc. as well as found in the Nicene Creed. It makes sense logically and biblically: the Father is the One God (1 Corinthians 8:6) and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two other divine entities who have the same nature in the same way a human son has his father's nature. They do not form some bizarre 3 in 1 entity. The Trinity is not God, nor is God "triune." Three persons have the same divine nature as the Father, but the Father remains the One God.

@@ardaduck735 Don't read the pseudo-Athanasian creed created years after Athanasius died and which contradicts the Nicene Creed and ante-nicene church fathers on the Trinity. Read the Scriptures and one will see the One God is the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6) and Christ is not equal to the Father in rank (John 14:28).

@@IAmisMaster How is that not polytheism?

It’s hard to explain because it isn’t biblical. God is just One. He manifests in different ways but He is the Same One God

It seems you’ve confused yourself my friend, we’re baptized in the name of 3, our being is comprised of 3 (mind body and soul), an egg (shell, white, yolk). If we are made in the likeness of God, the world will have so many instances of the holy 3. Remember, Jesus says himself if you’ve seen me, you’ve seen THE FATHER and that He will give The Gift of The Spirit to those in him. The Bible doesn’t explicitly say “trinity”, but, there are words with a plural nature referring to one thing, our Lord is that. Remember when God appeared to Abraham and Sarah at his home in the form of 3 men? He spoke to the men in a singular tense. Why did he do that?

Also, don’t bring the Quran in this discussion, it has nothing to do with the Torah or Bible.

@iverson25allen that quote is not as clear as saying they may know YOU ☝🏾 the only true god and jesus christ whom you sent. According to Jesus, who is the only true god? Why should anyone believe you or jesus' testimony? Are you sure you love jesus? beleive what you want. I will continue to spread the truth. The Quran is crystal clear, so i understand why you dont want to hear it. Go read the quran it is the final testimony after all previous revelation and the confirmation. For you to say such nonsense shows your bigotry and lack of understanding of other Ibrahamic faith peace upon them

@iverson25allen In Genesis 21:1 “And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken” (King James Version). In this image, Abraham welcomes the three divine angels by bowing to them. In front of his tent, the visitors bear the news to Abraham that his wife Sarah will have a son. Islam confirms those were angels, not 3 persons of god Like ai said, we have Quran final testimony clearing all pagen misconceptions like saying god is a human or killed. Such pagenism beliefs go against 1st commandment, which is no god before me. Meaning no partners or associations

My friend, the reason why I said not to refer to the Quran is simply because we have 0 revelation of any benefactor from that book. In fact, we have prophesy in Daniel 8 and a warning from Christ Himself of those coming from the “east”. Clearly, I’ve offended you and I am sorry for doing so, but, refer back to Genesis 18, I take it you speak Hebrew, in the Hebrew, what we who speak English read as Lord is Yahweh, is it not? Anyway, I mean no offense brother/sister. I’m sorry for offending you.

It's all rubbish I know 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

It's more like your car is made up of 3 parts that work in unison for the same purpose. Drive train, chassis, and electrical. Each has a purpose and is a separate system but work together to make a complete CAR. The perfect union makes it function for its purpose.

Friend, The LORD Jesus is GOD, The Son. Matthew 28:9-10 _"The Lord Jesus met them, saying: greetings. They came to Him, clasped His feet, and Worshipped Him. Then The Lord Jesus said to them: do not be afraid; go tell my Brothers to go to galilee, where they will see Me."_ The Lord Jesus does not reject Worship because it is adequate, proper. Matthew 4:9 _"Away from Me, satan! For it is written: Worship The LORD your GOD, and Him only shall you Serve."_ Revelation 22:8-9 _"...I fell down to worship...the angel...but he said to me: do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren...Worship GOD."_ Romans 1:25 _"They exchanged The Truth of GOD for a lie, and worshiped and served a creature rather than The Creator, Who is Blessed forever. Amen."_ One can see worship of creations is very frowned upon and rejected in the Bible. However, LORD Jesus Christ is Merrily Adored. John 20:28 _"Thomas replied: my LORD and my GOD!"_ Isaiah 9:6 _"To us a child is born, to us a Son is given, and government will be on His shoulders. He will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."_ Mark 10:18 _"None is Good but GOD Himself."_ John 10:11 _"I am The Good Shepherd."_ John 8:58 _"The Lord Jesus answered: verily, verily, I say unto you: before Abraham was, I AM."_ Exodus 3:14 _"I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."_ Isaiah 44:6 _"This is what The LORD says: Israel's King and Redeemer, The Lord Almighty: I AM The First and I AM The Last; apart from Me there is no god."_ Revelation 1:17 _"Do not be afraid: I AM The First and I AM The Last, and The One Who Lives."_ John 1:1 _"In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with GOD, and The Word was GOD."_ John 1:14 _"The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His Glory, the Glory of The One and Only Son, Who came from The Father full of Grace and Truth."_ 1 Timothy 3:16 _"Without doubt Great is the mystery of Godliness: GOD was manifested in flesh, Justified in The Spirit, seen by angels, Preached among gentiles, Believed on in the world, received up in Glory!"_ Acts 3:15 _"You killed The Author of Life, but GOD raised Him from the dead. We are witnesses of this."_ Matthew 7:21-23 - _"Not everyone who says to Me: lord, lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven: but only he who does the Will of My Father, Who is in Heaven. Many will say to Me on that day: lord, lord, did we not prophesy in Your Name, in Your Name drive out demons, and in Your Name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly: away from Me; I never knew you, workers of sin!"_ ==== The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are equalized, thus the three Persons are on equal ground (See Athanasius Creed on this): Matthew 28:19 _"Therefore make disciples of all nations; baptizing them in the Name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit."_

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Don’t use the trinity in analogies. These things could accidentally lead you to other beliefs like modalism, or partialism. Your using something similar to partialism which doesn’t really explains the true definition of it. Use it in serious sentences. These stuff can also lead to errors. Lets say this. Being partialism is described with a egg. 1+1+1 and 1. The crack is the father, the yolk is the son, and the outside liquid is the holy spirit. What the heck?! This doesn’t makes any sense right? I recommend you to see a full meaning of the trinity.

There is many ridiculous sounding things that are true in the world. And many serious sounding things that are not true. Ridiculousness cannot be used as measure on what is true and what is not true.

Exactly. It's bearing false witness. Satan is the author of confusion and DARKNESS. God is LIGHT i.e transparent, clear and simple. None of the apostles were Trinitarians, as is obvious in the Gospels, Acts and the epistles. Best to trust the word of God rather than arrogant men. ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

But not equal to the ALMIGHTY GOD ? To be one with GOD means to be in agreement with him , not equal to him . Jesus was one with the father but not equal to him . Jesus him self stated that he was going his way to the father because the father was greater than he , yes at a future time .

@@lwmaynard5180 lol, that's not what I meant, HE told me "WE are one," as in GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one.

If an army unit or the dad of a household says "we are one", it means UNITED. Not that they're all the same person 🙄 In Jesus's prayer to God, he also prays that his apostles/believers be "one" with him and Father God. Jesus affirms the declarations of his identity made by John the Baptist. Nathaniel, Martha, God Himself (at the baptism and Transfiguration of Jesus when He says THIS IS MY SON) and Peter 👇 ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

Jesus said his father is his God. Jesus said his father is our God. Jesus said his father is the ONLY true God. Person 2 of the trinity said that person 1 of the trinity is the only true God. Does your pastor believe this?

It makes sense to people who listen to it without having to destroy their brain and their liver.

Truly you have shown yourself to be the wisest among men, I must believe you over the mountain of historical evidence now

Nope. One God.

It's amazing how people just don't listen to what's being said. They just come with their reply preloaded and it doesn't follow

@@DiggitySlice this was 3 months ago, if you can explain how I'm wrong then sure

​​@@DiggitySliceIt's amazing how people call themselves "Christian" but ignore Christ 😢. Neither Jesus nor the apostles were Trinitarians. ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

If God is 3 persons, there is no one God, or Islam is legitimate. God, is family Ephesians 3:15

So each person have the same thoughts? How can this be three distinct persons?

@Bxazh Every immortal holy spirit, is a person. Some have names. That's why God is a family, not a trinity. God, and his family of holy spirits, called the heavenly host. Even the holy spirit is created, not eternal.

That is modal heresy

Muslim

Utter butchering of scripture

@@dh31409 Utter revelation of Jesus Christ, and who he really is.

@Adam the Inquirer The word Trinity is not in the New or Old Testaments, neither is the word Catholic. the trintity theory comes the Catholic church who invented it, they follow Constantine and the catholic bible

@Adam the Inquirer praying to Mary, dead saints and kneeling before and praying to statues is also not in the New T.

@Adam the Inquirer If its not in the bible Old /New Testament, its false dogma. and that includes the 3 persons theory, catholic dogma. Only one person and thats Jesus, The Father and Holy Ghost are invisible spirits not persons. For in Him(Jesus) dwells all of the fulness of the Godhead Bodily. Romans 1:20 ...Maybe you should give up studying false catholic dogma and start studying the New Testament.

@Adam the Inquirer This video explains where the trinity doctrine first began. "My Journey from Trinitarianism (3 gods) To (1 God) by GTSP Minisry

@Adam the Inquirer Prove its heresy.

Bro why are you disrespecting Christianity if Christian’s don’t disrespect Islam?

✝️rinity = ✝️ruth

@@Happyman-f7o Doctrine of devil Trinity deserves no respect. It is just a colonization tool. God is a Spirit, the flesh of Mary is a creature, which God puts off.

There does not need to be specific verse explaining it to be biblical truth.

Do you leave Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine ?

Mathew 28 :19 in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. All three persons share one name. I AM!

Exactly. He should get rid of his library that he likes to show off, repent of preferring the doctrines of men and instead LISTEN TO JESUS! ‭"And Jesus answered him: The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel; The Lord *our God* is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this: 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. There is none other commandment greater than these" (Mark 12:29-31) ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

It's absurd not to believe in scripture, The FATHER is GOD, the SON is GOD, the HOLY SPIRIT is GOD, ONE GOD. You don't tell GOD WHO HE is, GOD tells you WHO HE is!

@@TheCabin777 your imaginary friend from your ridiculous mythology is a fictional character who exists only on the pages of fiction and in the deluded minds of ignorant superstitious primitives. Give me one good reason you think you have for believing in the existence of your imaginary friend and validity of your ridiculous mythology, and I'll identify your cognitive and factual errors, your fallacious reasoning, and your scientific ignorance. Thanks 😇

and beyond.

Totally..I don't know where he got this very wrong explanation.

​@@wabz3162What is wrong about explaining the Godhead and the essence of three persons in one God?

You should stick to gaming because you have no idea what you are talking about. You live as an apikoros yet you moonlight as an authority on scripture? You ever wonder why Elohim it is not translated in plural? Almost like Biblical Hebrew is not the same as modern Hebrew and the grammatical culture is different. Just because I know English doesn’t mean I can discuss Shakespeare using modern English… How about we use your logic. “In the beginning Gods created the heavens and the earth.” Would you like to talk about HaShem being a pantheon? Or how about this “And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made you Gods to Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother shall be thy prophet.” You might want to consult Biblical Hebrew scholars on this one instead of implanting modern anachronisms into the text. To use the Shma to support the exact opposite meaning of its intention is ignorant and deceptive. Also the whole changing Echad to mean anything but one is utter nonsense. This compound unity garbage only proves how desperate you are when you know that Echad just plainly mean “one”. Every jew knows that. How about we take your thought here and translate it with your grammar? “Hear, O Israel: The LORD (singular) our Gods, the LORD (singular) is united (singular).” Hmmm… I wonder if we thought HaShem was multiple united gods after this kind of translation? “The Royal we” is part of many cultural languages and to ignore this fact is only self serving and nothing new. Elohim is well known to be a use of the Royal we… How about you stick to gaming instead of teaching people lies.

@@pikkilo your mistake is that your trying to translate literally but it is not always correct and I'm not here to debate with you. Hashem is. Not mentioned in the Bible as one of God's names at all but rather means "the name" Jewish people use this out of fear to mention his name due to the third commandment but it is out of context. He didn't tell us not to use his name rather not to use his name in vain for his holiness. An example would be like when people use God's name in a cuss word. Hashem is an invention of human being and no where God asked us to use this name. (it's not even a name) In the begging God created the heavens and the earth the second aleph taf in that sentence is out of context and represents Yehshua for he is the aleph taf. The singular of Elohim is Eloha.. And you miss translate the hear o Israel because the second time God is mention is not "Elohim" but Elohinu (our God) which is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is been told to Moses that no one can see God yet he has seen him face to face. Abraham ate with him and they are all mentioned as Yahuveh Let *us* create man in *our* own image. Plural yet one image.

@@moshetzur7327 you are so far from our people that you eat only from the goyim… even Yeshua used substitutions for the name of God. You have no respect and believe the Christian antisemitic tropes that we are scared of saying God’s name… it’s called respect. Call your dad by his first name and see how that goes… You are nothing but an apikoros that is stuck in the galut. You have turned against your own people and fallen in love with the ways of the goy. We were taught not to learn how they worship there gods and do the same for HaShem but here you are doing that very thing! You ate their treif whole hog… yet you do not consider how much Jewish blood has been poured out by these Christians because of the dogma you hold on to. Why are you trying to lecture me on Hebrew? I used your christian Bible… so your problem is with them not me. I assume you are not observant but just a christian… in that case, you are lawless. What value are any of your words then? Your whole Trinity and demigod and lawlessness is all a human invention but you are okay with that. You are no different from a self hating Jew. Yeshua is Moshiach but not the one you know.

@@pikkilo you didn't even take the effort to counter my claims. you are only here to bash people. Yeshua's life is recorded in the new testement and it is reliable because there are many copies of it through the whole new testement Yeshua didn't use "Hashem" or any other substitute to God's name. I understand your point about a human father though it does not apply to God we are to call him by his name Yahuveh or Yeshua. There is no such thing as "GOYIM" in Yeshua we are all the same as adopted sons. Even in the old testament the distinguish is different than what your making it to be ( Roth and Tziporah for example) the only thing that distinguished them is the belief in the one true God Yahuveh this is why Roth has said your God is my God etc. A commitment to follow him. This is what Yeshua has came to do.. Actually you should read some history lessons because it was not "Christians" that poured Jewish blood but the chatolic church which is not considered "Christian" by most. And even if it was so that "Christians" poured Jewish blood your point would still be inaccurate because you just can't assume people behavior's to God. Yeshua taught that if you live by the sword you will die by the sword and called everyone to repent eve and adhere to the commandments of God who said do not commit murder.. Therefore those who kill are not true disciples of Christ ( hence Christians like you call them). I do not recognize this name. I am a Talmid of Yeshua and he is my master.

@@moshetzur7327 you are 100% that product of Christianity… you parrot the same dogmatic tropes like a cult follow. Your church fathers that created the doctrines you now follow are almost the same as Catholics… this is why you observe Sunday instead of Shabbos… Goyim still exist… or would you prefer the word secular or non Jew? Or are you that brainwashed that you can’t even think straight? If you were his disciple, you would love how he lived and walk how he walked… that being obedient to the Torah and encourage others to do teshuvah. Yeshua repeatedly used a substitution for the name of God. “Our Father who is in heaven…” He tends to use “father” to replace the name of God and only uses God’s name in quoting passages. So you getting on my case about using HaShem is only attacking Yeshua for the very same thing. You are a mix of “One for Israel” garbage dogma. You don’t know what we Jews believe because you live as a goy. Really you shouldn’t say “we have a prayer” when you don’t pray it. You don’t live, act or talk like a Jew, so why still use it to promote the “truth” of what you say? Why not send the link from one for Israel instead of thinking you came to this conclusion yourself? Obviously you are just parroting their cult. Yeshua warned repeatedly and made clear about these wolves… don’t you wonder why you get your doctrines from church fathers that studied from Plato and were all gentiles? Yet there was the synagogue of Jerusalem until 135CE teaching and following the Torah, which were never consulted or built any of the christian doctrines… you don’t even know who you are following or why you believe it. You assume passage meaning but never consider that something this radically different in having 3 gods in the Trinity would take Yeshua to say it plainly and be found talked about plainly in the Torah. But it took Hellenist antisemites hundreds of years to come up with with the current Trinity model… why did it take so long if it was true and always had been? Why would HaShem tell us He is not this way and this is a great difference between us and the goyim only to do exactly what he warned against? The same goes with the Torah… why tell us it is forever and even Yeshua saying it will not change, then Christians say the opposite… same with the deity of Yeshua… it is always the opposite with Christians… just like Muslims with the Torah… always different… you can treat Sunday as holy or Friday as holy but definitely not Saturday right? You have a love for your own ideas not HaShem… go back to your games little boy, waste your time some more and live in your fantasy and leave the teachings of God to those of us who actually follow Him.

@azikazikazik not sure what you mean

That's modalism! It was declared a heresy in the 4th century. God isn't 1 person with 3 identities, rather, each identity is a distinct person (but still, 1 God).

@@kirjian that's why it's an analogy. By definition it isn't a perfect representation of what it's meant to explain.

Sloppy Theologians reject, "ALL 27NT books", and "ALL 9NT Authors", clams that Jesus Christ "has A G-D", furthermore John 17:3 Jesus himself explained the "Only True God ,was his father". It became explicitly obvious reading 1,2,3, Johns & Revelation that the John taught, Jesus has a God more then anyone else... 20+ Times says Jesus sitting at God's right hand. 20+ NT says GOD Raised Him.V 80+ times Jesus is SON OF MAN in NT 40+ times Son-of-God. (NEVER God -the-son) Clement mentioned in Philippians 4:3. Was Apostle Peter's Scribe, trained by James/Paul/Peter & ran 1st church Rome from 60-90AD till martyred. 1 Clement 59:4. "Let all the Gentiles know that Thou art the God alone, and Jesus Christ is Thy Son. Clement echos Jesus perfectly as follows: John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.9.1 (180-200AD) The Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the 👉only God and Lord, who alone is God and ruler of all… Irenaeus~ Against Heresies 3.6.4 (180-200AD) Wherefore I do also call upon thee, Lord God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob and Israel, who art the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the God who, through the abundance of Thy mercy, hast had a favour towards us, that we should know Thee, who hast made heaven and earth, who rulest over all, who art the only and the true God, above whom there is none other God; grant, by our Lord Jesus Christ, the governing power of the Holy Spirit; give to every reader of this book to know Thee, that Thou art God alone, to be strengthened in Thee, and to avoid every heretical, and godless, and impious doctrine. Justin martyr First Apology 61 [T]here is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe; he who leads to the laver the person that is to be washed calling him by this name alone. For no one can utter the name of the ineffable God…And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed. [10] Martyrdom of Ignatius 2 Thou art in error when thou callest the daemons of the nations gods. For there is but 👉👳one God, who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that are in them; and one 👉🤴Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, whose kingdom may I enjoy. 210AD TERTULLIAN A HERMOGENES. CHAP. III.--AN ARGUMENT OF HERMOGENES (there was a time when 👉Jesus didn't exist) Because God is in like manner a Father, and He is also a Judge; but He has not always been Father and Judge, merely on the ground of His having always been God. For He could not have been the Father previous to the Son, nor a Judge previous to sin. There was, however, a time when neither sin existed with Him,👉 nor the Son; the former of which was to constitute the Lord a Judge, and the latter a Father.👈 In this way He was not Lord previous to those things of which He was to be the Lord. But He was only to become Lord at some future time: just as 👉He became the Father by the Son, and a Judge by sin, so also did He become Lord by means of those things which He had made, in order that they might serve Him. Do I seem to you to be weaving arguments.... Even at the END of the 2nd Century, The ONLY GOD? Was ALWAYS the Father.

@@FollowPaul1Lord1God "I and the Father are one" Goodbye 👋

How Mr. Winger described the Trinity is not fundamentally incompatible with how I've heard it being described in the Orthodox Church.

​@@wongjoonjiann It's not polytheism, still one single God. If you break a pencil into parts no one would call it a pencil. They would call it a graphite rod, a piece of wood, and an eraser. You can't break God into 3 parts, but if you try to do it forcefully you can no longer call it God. Even human beings in a way have 3 different essences. You have the body/flesh, the mind/soul, and the spirit. After Adam and Eve sinned and due to original sin, all human beings are born spiritually dead. Which is why we do not have a choice but to have our mind follow our flesh desires. All three parts make up the same human being, but without any the human being is no longer complete. That is why even if scientists manage to clone a human being, without the soul it's a completely different being, probably not even human. God is three in essence, each equally (the same) God, but each with a very different role. The Father sent the Son, and the Father and Son sent the Holy Spirit. In the same way, as C.S. Lewis wrote in "Mere Christianity", we have natural instincts and natural law. natural instincts come from the flesh, and natural law comes from mind and spirit, which is supposed to keep natural instincts in check. The instinct to fight for example, should be suppressed in daily life, but should be encouraged on the battlefield. Simple proof, if we were truly 1 in essence and 1 in person, we would never "argue with ourselves". The fact that we can disagree with ourselves proves that we have different "persons" that make up the same human being. In a similar way, God also talks to himself when Jesus said he'll pray for us, but God is perfect so he never argues with Himself. The Son perfectly submits to the Father, and the Holy Spirit perfectly submits to the Son and the Father. If our flesh could perfectly submit to our conscience/natural law, then we would be able to stop ourselves from sinning. But that's obviously not the case, every single Christian still sins. If we didn't argue with ourselves and is truly 1, how are we different from a rock? A rock obeys the natural laws of physics. But we have more than the natural laws of physics, we have the natural laws of morality; which due to free will we can violate. But remember, this is just an analogy, God is God and we are humans. Another example is when God decides who to save. God the Father chooses who gets saved, Jesus the Son/the Word of God saves, and the Holy Spirit makes the saved grow and bear good fruit. Each of the Holy Trinity has a unique role, but each is equally the same God. One more example, we have different body parts that make up the same body. Do you walk with your hands? Do you pick up a cup of coffee with your feet? Do you think with your arm? No, each body part has a different function, but each body part is truly the same human being. Again, you can technically chop up different parts of a human body, but you can't separate the Holy Trinity. It is natural that we cannot grasp the concept of the triune God completely simply due to the fact that we are finite creatures, and God is infinite. In order to truly understand who God really is, we would have to have omniscience, which we simply can't. A finite creature cannot truly understand the infinite, but we can still understand the facts/parts presented to us.

​@@kevinwang7894the clarification makes it right but this is partialism

No it doesn’t. It says Jesus was not begotten. It says he didn’t really die on the cross. This is heresy the Quran doesn’t reverence Jesus it completely denies who he truly is. God in the flesh who came to die for sinners & rose from the grave to take away our sins.

Certainly God is beyond being captured by human comprehension. If God could be comprehended, that would mean He could be apprehended by a finite man, which would imply that He Himself is finite. But God is not finite. Rather, He transcends the finite and contingent, and so it must be that He cannot be comprehended. As for "higher dimensional", any talk of dimensions refers to aspects of spacetime. God created space and time, so His being must by non-spatiotemporal. So no, God is not in a higher dimensions, but rather transcends dimensionality.