Yes but the trauma may not be known about, or be something seen as trauma. Trauma can look like you seeing an accident as a child. It's hard for a child so it's trauma but not for an adult. U don't have to have been abused to have DID
She/he/they/it literally was exposed for being a racist, homophobic, and transphobic. And plays it off as an alter. That is in no way justifiable to get way with problematic views.
@@phoebedavid8365 I was talking about her alter "lana" and her other alter "ethan" but I'll just include all pronouns that i think the whole system has used
the way this person has created so many characters and has an “inner world” they can go inside makes me feel like they have maladaptive daydreaming if anything
People with DID do have “inner worlds” and many DiD systems can have up to hundreds of “alters” or “parts” of any given system. It’s simply about understanding that when a child is put through repeated abuse their mind has to cope. That’s the cause of this Disorder. I’m not supporting this tiktoker at all id rather stay away from that but the basis of their claims do lie in truth.
if you do any research on DID at all, almost all (to my knowledge) have an inner world because the other alters need somewhere to go when they’re not fronting. while i dont support the system, this is not a reason to not believe them and diagnose them.
there are many cases of did where someone has an inner world. remember that did is basically ptsd to the umpth degree, everything abt did is made to escape reality.
Why is this blatantly wrong comment the top comment? I get why this commenter and a few others would have thought this but this being brought to the top mostly from likes on a video about DID stuff is a bit concerning
The experience of mental illness is a very fluid thing, you’re right that it does apply to people differently and that people live with it in their own context. That being said, there are “rules” to how it works. We have the DSM for a reason, and diagnostic criteria isn’t just made up. It can be flawed, but that’s also why it’s constantly evolving. But it definitely isn’t as fluid as “anything can fit into it”
@@wiggly_worm yeah like you can easily see that they are acting cuz in one of their videos they showcase some of their alters and some of the alter stutter and have tics wich both are things that are conditions of the nervous system. wich means its not possible that some of the alters have them and some do not. and you can see that they are acting cuz her stutter is very weird. m friends have a stutter and those stutters sound completely different
If this person really is faking it, then my god they have a really wild imagination. Like for real they should make it into a book series, could be the next Harry Potter and the wizarding world you never know!
@@tinycomedian I have such a morbid curiosity so ever since I found out about the wonderland lore I just wanted to know more lore even though the person has come out and said they hate it being called “lore” 😂
DID & OSDD are caused by severe/repeated childhood trauma, since alternate personality states can only form before a certain age in response to extremely unstable living conditions - repetitive abuse doesn't allow for a stable environment in which a singular, cohesive personality can form. It doesn't have to be a certain type of abuse, and the severity varies, since everyone's tolerance and response to something as unfortunate as childhood abuse is unique to them, but DID does have to stem from some form of early-on, repeated trauma, 100% of the time. That being said...I try not to judge people online who I see saying that they don't have trauma but are a system, because the nature of DID obscures your memories of such trauma, and they might be unaware/repressing it. It does annoy me, sure, especially when people act like trauma-less systems are normal (they're not...even possible....), but I know that it's not my place, even as a DID system, to determine whether or not an online stranger truly does or doesn't have trauma/a disorder. It isn't my business or problem, and I appreciate the people in the comments section who also realize that it isn't their place to condemn them -- treating everyone with patience, whether or not they "deserve" it, is way better than doubting and needling anyone who seems like they have a disorder in the "wrong" way, yknow? Sorry for writing paragraphs in your comments section haha
I also want to add DID isnt really a “mental disorder” it is, but it is mainly a coping mechanism. Not everyone with intense trauma can develop DID since everyone processes it differently
@@fallingapart It is a mental disorder and a coping mechanism. If a coping mechanism interferes with daily life, it becomes a disorder. No hate to you at all, it becomes confusing sometimes.
@@fallingapart oh for sure, not everyone who experienced repetitive trauma during childhood develops DID, but everyone who has DID experienced repeated trauma as a child. Square/rectangle type thing ^-^
is it common to have an entire world with medics, doctors, prisons, and casinos in the inner world? like i’m just confused is that a common thing within DID systems because i don’t think i’ve seen it before.
I had a friend who had a similar headspace, her headspace looked like a city but they all lived in an apartment but none of them left the apartment. The city was mostly just so they could look out of the windows and I assume that it would have hospitals and stuff.
From what I’ve seen, usually alters don’t necessarily know about each other or their host at first and they don’t typically “interact” with each other on such a consistent basis
I’m not going to comment on if they do or don’t have did specifically, however I do think it’s likely they at least have a comorbidity. At this point it sounds like a separate type of dissociation, maladaptive daydreaming, or psychosis. I’ve personally had some experience with all three of those with myself and others around me. Tbh I think they’re in psychosis right now, there are many people who create fantasy worlds or see themselves as mystical beings when in the depths of psychosis. In my experience, there’s also levels to psychosis? Like I will think in the back of my mind (for example) that I’m a god, but I can rationalize that that’s probably not true and that if someone hears me say that, I could be in trouble. On the other hand, there’s times where I think I can hear peoples thoughts and may even feel comfortable enough telling them or start behaving erratically. I’ve never seen anyone mention this before, so I always call it cusping to myself. Wonderland could possibly be cycling through different intensities of psychosis and some of these are “appearing” as an alter
omg yes, in my non professional opinion, it seems too specific, maybe too complex to just exist a whole world in someones head while some people with did have alters that dont even aknowledge each others existancd
In my opinion, I think there is also a large aspect of factitious disorder. Especially with the ‘Tourette’s’ situation. Their DID is very ‘rare’ in more than one case. Which is entirely possible but I think they do need other psychiatric opinions as well as the people around them giving the psychiatrist their opinion. A lot of it sounds fishy but I’m not one to say what disorder they do or don’t have. I think this whole thing has been taken out of proportion but in some ways it might be a good thing as they may be dealing with something that isn’t DID and they may be able to get treatment for it. From what I’ve seen, they don’t seem to be getting ‘correct’ treatment for DID either. They are just living with it. But with that many alters, it has to affect their life more that what they are showing if it really is DID.
Hey I do want to say I like seeing you saying you can rationalize things as untrue, as people get sort of "you understand you have psychosis? ok because of that you don't" , when its pretty common.
Some of their alters have tics,are different races,have jobs,have different speech patterns and everyone knows how to use tiktok? Yeah this doesn’t add up. Some of the things they’ve said are true about DID but like they have A NON-HUMAN ALTER THAT IS OVER 1000 YEARS OLD. AND IT KNOWS HOW TO USE TIKTOK.
@@cat-zb4zz It typically is pretty severe, especially when there are many alters or non-human ones. However, it's severe in terms of the person's reaction to it. Everyone has different tolerance levels, so something that might not seem severe to one person might be enough trigger a response tlike DID in someone else. If that makes sense
So many people making fun of them, but they dont realize that what this person needs is help. They clearly have some kind of trauma or undeveloped experience that has made them like this
I think you should investigate academic sources and not just go by what the creator is saying Putting your opinion in the middle of the video is very distracting, if your wanna make a disclaimer say it at the beginning or the end
if they dont have did, it doesnt help people with it to say “theyre making people with did look bad.” there are people out there with hundreds of alters and non-human alters just like the wonderland system described. if the wonderland system is making people with did look bad what about the people who are like this and have to deal with being indirectly attacked everywhere. as a trans person it just feels very “oh youre making all trans people look bad why cant you just choose a gender?”
True or not, it's interesting. I'm invested, not in a way of "OMG ITS WONDERLAND LORE!" that's just wrong. But, in the way I like seeing other people's world views and experiences
the person they got all the DID information from in the DSM only had 3 alter and alters can eventually disappear. there’s a movie ab it called the 3 faces of Eve. i think you should check it out is very informative.
Okay I am not saying they are fake but here are things that seem inconsistent. Number one. The number of alters. Alters are formed by trauma. Specifically repeated trauma from ages 6-9. This is when you develop a sense of self and your personality. However when you have to become different people or have drastically different needs in different aspects of your life at that young age alters are formed. Now after you grow you can still form alters. That is because this is how your brain learned to respond to trauma but once again it takes trauma. Distinct traumatic instances. Which have 67 in the span of 6 months give or take is highly unlikely. Especially because they already have so many alters who would most likely already serve the new ones purpose. Number two. They said that they got told that they might have it while in an inpatient. This almost never happens because you only stay there for give or take a week. The doctors don’t know you. And they would almost never bring this up
1. Please research polyfragmented systems. 2. It does happen, even if they only knew you for a week. We were disgnosed with DID while inpatient 6 years ago, and every mental health professional we have seen since then agrees with that diagnosis. It can happen.
@@mintdrawsthings47 Actually, doctors in psych wards are not qualified to diagnose you with anything within the week you are there. It took years of doctors and appointments for me to be diagnosed with the disorders I have. They can tell you what they think it could be, but they can’t diagnose you. That’s a blatant lie.
@@blykem6420 Then I guess 3 seperate medical professionals and a whole hospital lied to me and they all independently fabricated medical documents that they had gotten from that specific psychiatrist, and I guess I have been lied to for years by different medical professionals when they told me that they agreed with the initial diagnosis of that pscyhiatrist.
@@blykem6420 You said that they were not qualified to diagnose me. They were and they did all the tests for it. And medical professionals afterward for years have agreed with that diagnosis and have used it as a point of reference. You also claimed that we were lying about our experiences. We were pointing out that the first psychiatrist not actually givinf a diagnosis would not make sense based on what we have experienced.
I don’t know enough about DID too comment too much but one alter having Tourette’s and the others not seems… impossible. If I am wrong though anyone is free to correct me on that.
This is what makes me unsure of this person, tics are a part of the brain chemistry and it wouldn’t make sense for them to appear/disappear depending on who is fronting right?
Different alters can in fact have different disabilities and mental health issues I’m pretty sure this actually pretty common for people with DID. It is also known that alters can even have different vision and allergies to the host and other alters within the system it’s actually pretty mind blowing how the brain can work.
Yeah ofc. This topic really intrigued me when I found out about it and I now have a few friends with DID and it’s so interesting learning how their brains work and constantly learning new things about the condition.
I just don't feel like some of the things you said were accurate. Like it's not common for people with DID to have alters with other people of different races. I know people personally who have DID and have a lot of knowledge on it. Its too much info to explain rn. But I also want to mention stutters and accents. in the DID community that is the main way they will tell if someone's fr. I don't want to make any solid claims but I mean ..based off everything I've gained knowledge of..
i'm not on their medical team so i personally cannot say if they've been diagnosed with DID. however, i do know that even if they do not have DID they still do need help when it comes to their mental health. i could be wrong but i feel it is very rare to come across someone who is faking a mental health disorder that doesn't actually struggle with some other mental health disorder(s). i'm not saying if they're faking it's not wrong but i do believe that regardless of their DID diagnosis status there's something else going on that us outsiders looking in dont see
How do some have tics and some don’t? Cause isn’t it like a brain function? If one alter has it shouldn’t all of them have it since it’s not something you can control?
i know that tics can slow down when youre more focused, and i think they talked about this on their page. some alters re-record videos if they tic in them while others don’t care. i think they also said there was an alter that experiences them the most? im not completely sure but i know they said all alters experience them.
This is kind of a wierd thing to address. Yes it is possible for only some to have tics. Just like how some are left handed. I can’t really explain why I haven’t looked into this part of the neurological aspect of this. But essentially different alters are there own people. They can have different disorders, memories, personalities, interests, attributes, mannerisms among other things
Trauma physically changes the brain, and alters use different neural pathways in said brain. An alter is known as a symptom holder if they exhibit symptoms of something that other alters do not.
i’m currently going to a psychiatrist for dissociative behaviour. And i have little knowledge on what is normal with DID and what is not. (I currently believe i might have DID but i’m not a psychiatrist or a doctor of any sort so i do not know yet.) so this video helped me out a lot! (Yes i have also been googling around as well so i know a little bit about the disorder)
Can I just say thank you for being responsible and respectful even when you are struggling, research will help you know what to mention to a doctor so you’re doing the right thing and I wish you luck in getting a diagnosis that makes sense for you :)
Even if THEY don't have did, they obviously have a mental disorder. People who are perfectly mentally healthy don't do this, either way they are hurting and suffering and need compassion.
It’s not offensive to ask questions or make comments on whether or not something seems suspicious or weird, just as long as you are not making claims without the proper knowledge.
i think you talked about this in the wrong way. your only sources about DID are what this person has said. You need to make it clear that these things are “alleged” and “claims” as there’s no proof and it could be misleading for people.
I loved watching this video. Whether this is real or fake honestly it’s not our concern because we don’t know them. There could be many things happening that we don’t know about. It was super interesting to hear someone who is neutral about this talk about it! I can tell you are such a kind person 🤍
To add to the part about race, alters cannot be poc, even in the inner world, they will have different physical appearances but the concept of race will not affect them in any way it wouldn't affect the host body
I rly like ur videos but for some reason u not looking at the camera lens makes me Wana ask u to pls pls look at the lens. Then it feels like a convo instead of you talking to the person next to me 🤷🏻♀️
as someone who is studying things like this, they are faking it. it is rare to have too. you have to go through severe trauma. i personally believe they are faking it because they don’t show ANY behavior of it.
It could be from a number of things. Medical trauma, formative experiences being in a hospital, caretaker or protector alters taking on the role as doctors... etc. Everything that happens within the inner world is the brain putting a narrative to its experiences. Example: an alter is hurt. This alter needs a protector or caretaker to be with them. This need is perceived as a patient and a doctor. It's not actually that weird when you break it down to the bare essentials.
It’s basically whatever the brain deems that useful for to process/cope with something. That can be as simple as keeping a sense of a safe authority figure(what a doctor is supposed to be in the very simplest of terms) IN the headspace, or coping with any given situation outside of it, aka fronting during said situation.
i don't think it's ok at all to make fun of the system but i also think they maybe should get professional help because it sounds like after getting diagnosed (within a day of being at a mental hospital or something?) they never actually got a doctor to see regularly. in any case: whether this person is faking this illness or not, it's bad to automatically ASSUME they are, and start bullying them about it.
This is... Quite the misinformed video. I have barely gotten to thr halfway mark but can already spot countless mistakes. I suggest you do more extensive resesrch and update with a second more revised video about this topic and not take their word for everything, as DID is a very complex disorder and everyone's differences are different. You are spreading misinformation about a disorder that is already very stigmatised and misunderstood, which will lead to even more misunderstandings.
This is kind of a wierd thing to address. Yes it is possible for only some to have tics. Just like how some are left handed. I can’t really explain why I haven’t looked into this part of the neurological aspect of this. But essentially different alters are there own people. They can have different disorders, memories, personalities, interests, attributes, mannerisms among other things
@@lillisgreatytchannel6668 yes! We have some alters that wear glasses and others that don’t need them as much, some of us have horrible writing and others is better, it depends on the system
So a lot of people are talking about them faking DID because of the number of Alters they have and that needs to be flushed down the drain. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lsXFcbPbvI4.html This person has 2,500 alters and put away her abuser because of her alters testifying so 🤷🏻♀️
DID is a very real thing and you should do your own research if you think this. You have no place to undermine a mental illness you clearly have no knowledge on. I’m not one to say if this system is real or not but DID is real.
Right? It becomes so obvious when its also mentioned that they cant even front all the characters properly, meaning that creating the characters isnt to front them and deal with trauma but instead, is just a creative outlet. Also is one of the characters a like tiktok mental health activist? ?
She is just hungry for attention as a pathological liar. Yes I said she, for if a person is this prone to nonsense and bullshittery, nothing they say can be seen as warranted or valid anymore. I am not going to induldge a liar in their desire to lie.
don’t let tiktok ruin your view on psychology. it is very real, and very complex. it’s incredibly hard to live with as you can imagine and it is absolutely real. now is there many faking it? yes. but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. saying a mental disorder doesn’t exist is the most invalidating thing you could say.
@@oliviarutkowski706 it doesn’t exist. Not a real mental disorder. No genetic markers no evidence in changes of the brain and never been seen to be hereditary. Either a delusion caused by schizophrenia or a performance caused by BPD. It’s a symptom not a disorder
Being someone who suffers with thus. Its terrifying, loss of time, things being out of place. The disorientation, confusion, of waking in unknown places is terrifying. Going to get therapy for this soon. Borderline personality disorder, is a bitch.
We're sorry to say to say, there type dissociation doesn't exist. The dissociation started up again after a sexual assault in August 2021. The dissociation went from 5 minutes up 2 hours at a time. If you would like an interview from a different perspective I would like to interview with you
