@@luna8327 Anne was considered as a witch who bewitched Henry and made him divorce KoA and break with Vatican and Mary burned protestants in England, where under her brother's reign the reformation went further and protestants gained in numbers. During her 5 year reign she almost 300 people burned and her protestant opponents gave her the nickname "Bloody Mary".
People hated Mary because of the rumors given by the Protestants Yes she killed 270 people but his fathers killed more than 2000 and no one called him Bloody Henry. She is a misunderstood character. I don’t think she was a bad queen.
I think that is the one thing everyone will agree on Henry was a terrible dad. The psychological trauma that both those girls suffered is pretty obvious. Mary never trusted anyone around her and became suspicious and vindictive. Not to mention her health suffered because of it. Elizabeth vowed never to get married because of her father and the examples he set. With examples like that it would be enough to put anyone off.
Yes, their father abandoned them and restored her to the line of succession and took away their titles and Elizabeth was titled a bastard by her father. Mary father also kept Mary away from her family and didn't let her to see her mother. But her father was only one of the reasons why Queen Elizabeth didn't marry. Also because she witnessed her stepmothers die from giving birth and Thomas Seymour sexually assaulted her.
Queen Mary was tough as hell and made history. Queen Elizabeth was the same way. Both did dirt,both were damaged by their crazy ass daddy and both made their way in a world that didnt want either as Queen. I like both sisters.
Alexis Vane I agree but your missing a few key details. Mary killed 200 people in her 5 year reign while continuously imprisoning her sister constantly while Elizabeth made England the richest monarchy(her reign is still the peak of England’s wealth) and inspired many artists and painters such as Shakespeare in her 46 year reign. Both used the same methods, but one had less luck than the other.
@@DramaQueenBree Are you talking about total killed or on an annual basis? Mary ruled for 4 years while Elizabeth for 44 years and Henry for 36 years. Quite a difference. However, had Mary produced an heir, the world would have been different because that heir, especially if male would have been King of both England and Spain, so no need for the warfare between them.
Jane Felix I am talking about total people killed clearly. Henry VIII and Elizabeth each killed more people during each of their reigns that Mary did during hers. And yes I am aware had Mary had a child with Philip that the number of people killed would have risen because Elizabeth never would have inherited the throne and England would have become a catholic nation once more.
Fun fact: Elizabeth’s successor (Mary Queen if Scots son) James the first had Elizabeth and Mary Tudor buried together with the words partners in life and death (or something like that) written on it
The sisters actually got on well till the whole Elozabeth and Thomas Seymour saga. Despite hating her and under pressure to kill her, Mary chose to keep Elizabeth alive.
Well he shouldn’t have done that Mary wanted to be buried with her mother but they burned her with her sister making it seem like Elizabeth was better and Mary was a side character
They're not so different. They loved England equally. They battled with equal courage to keep their Beloved safe. Just because they celebrated their love of God differently, this isn't as large a difference, especially when the CofE was still new. 2 sides of the same coin to me. Mary quite possibly wouldn't have married that loser if she felt secure in England remaining a Catholic nation when her time of trial and strife was over. She needed an heir, which was, unfortunately, wasn't God's will. If Henry had married her off many years sooner, she would've had a far better chance of motherhood.
If only Henry VIII had been a better father or at least more merciful to both Mary and her mother Catherine of Aragon than she might not have become so spiteful even Elizabeth I was no exception.
@NicolaWriter You're right, she absolutely paved the way for Elizabeth. I read in Mary Tudor, Princess Bastard Queen that it's likely she wasn't aware of how bad the burnings had gotten and her role in them not as big as stereotype would make people believe. Her rule interests me far more than Elizabeths because, like you said, E's is so overly raved about. It's sadly so easy for people to accept stereotypes that they miss out on the real complexities of Mary, she was one fascinating figure.
Elizabeth was a good queen, but Mary was a good person. She is probably the strongest woman I've ever heard about. Mary suffered so much, but didn't became cruel or evel. She was a kind person, devoted to church and mother. Mary wasn't as bad as she's depicted by protestants. For me she is some kind of hero. She managed to become England's first queen, though it was practically impossible for her. Mary was a true daughter of queen Catherine. I really admire her!
@@CoRLex-jh5vx And Elizabeth killed over 4,000 Catholics, and had Monks disemboweled. Not to mention she had her own cousin, Queen Mary of Scotland beheaded out of her own jealousies'... She was far worse a murderer then Mary... Not to mention her thievery of the Irish Catholics property...
Mary Tutor had everything against her. Her mother being tossed aside, and Anne Bolyn wanting to have both Mary and Catherine murdered, she almost didn't make it. Of course she wasn't perfect, but Elizabeth killing 4,000 Catholics, was far worse then Mary's at 280...
@@Deborahtunes You have to consider Elizabeth reigned for far more time than Mary. 4000 people in forty years of reign is different from 300 in about two or three years of reign. And Elizabeth didn't execute Mary Stuart out of jealousy, forgive me, but that's so stupid and ignorant of you to say. Mary was most likely plotting to overthrow her, if not, she was incriminated, since there was some evidence found in some letters. Mary Tudor did the same with Jane Grey, who wasn't even a grown woman making her own choices, like Mary Stuart, but a young girl used as a pawn by her family and other protestants.
i like Elizabeth more but i also feel bad for Mary and the way she was treated by people and her father but they both proved that a queen can be just as good of a ruler as a king whether married or not catholic or christian to me i think it was mess up that they killed ppl over religion when in the end they all worshiped the same God
I think that video is amazing because it really shows that Mary and Elizabeth were close at one point but as time went on they grew apart. Love the Tudors!!!! (I can’t believe my comment has gotten 109 likes so far!)
@@fyedoravna7569 Nope. 18th-century copy of KoA's portrait doesn't show her hair, she wears an English hood. On a portrait by Juan de Flanders (it is though to be KoA) she has strawberry blonde hair. Mary also has light hair on her portraits (e.g. by Lucas Horenbout)
And although they were good friends I'd have to side with Mary being my favourite Princess of Wales and Queen of England, mostly because she went through so much than Elizabeth did in her prime. Furthermore I think that Henry VIII favoured Edward and Elizabeth more because they were younger.
@ligreekguy I don't apologize for Elizabeth. she did what she had to do as the reigning queen of a country going through all the turbulence it had. she was a very shrewd and capable person and shown it multiple times and like all wise people, she realized that her view on matters might not suffice and surrounded herself with a small group of advisers. oh they might have each had an agenda, but at the end of the day she was the queen who decided what course to do. make no mistake about that.
Initially, she did, until the period of persecutions. The Wyatt Rebellion of 1554 proved to be a turning point, as she felt betrayed after having showed such leniency toward those who sought to prevent her from ruling. Mind you, I am hardly making any excuses for the persecutions that took place during her reign. But we also have to remember that these were absolute monarchs, and the deaths that occurred under Henry VIII and Elizabeth I were far greater in number and often in brutality.
I agree with some of the things you said, except for the "absolute monarchs". They still didn't have all the power. The first absolute monarch in European Modern Age was Louis XIV of France. Other monarchs such as these date back then to the Roman Empire and Ancient Egypt and some continue to exist in islamic countries.
I feel so bad for Queen Katherine and young Princess Mary, that I cant help but dislike Anne even if history make her seen worst, I think she got popular just because Natalie's portrait of her.
Mary did not behead Jane first time the rebellion was,however when Janes family tryed to stage a rebellion agen Mary had to do it to protect herself,Jane Gray might bge a puppet only but in thise times as Jane was involved inj this she was a treath
@NicolaWriter Fantastic to see someone view Mary AND Elizabeth fairly and not 100% bashing one and praising the other. Both were amazing women, strong in their own ways as well as flawed in their own ways.
She kind of deserved being yelled at, at the very least. Elizabeth was pretty snide and ungrateful towards Mary. I respect your opinions on Elizabeth, since I like her too and am acquainted with you -- but I do see how Elizabeth wasn't exactly the most loyal of sisters. Mary was willing to forgive and forget, yet Elizabeth kept rubbing salt in Mary's wounds even if she didn't directly oppose her half-sister.
Henry didn't beheaded Mary's mother, they only divorced... but it's true that Henry abandoned Catherine =( And for Elizabeth, yes, Henry beheaded her mother but Elizabeth was only two years old, so probably she didn't remember Anne. The two princesses suffered a lot. Poor girls, they had a hard life because of their cruel father =(
i feel so bad for mary tudor as she was demonized by history. though her crimes of killing all those people just for having different beliefs, her back story is quite tragic. (all who say nay to this notion can kill me because i happen to have a soft spot for villains sometimes, if they have good backstories)
This still does not take away from the over 4,000 Catholics (over half of them innocent Irish peasants, another 200 of them being Benedictine and Carthusian monks who were slowly disemboweled, a death far slower and more painful than burning at the stake) under Elizabeth I. Never have I condoned the actions of Mary I (under whom 300 died), but I also refuse to tolerate the glorification of Elizabeth.
I agree... All of these "documentaries" talk about the 280 people Mary killed. But none of them mention the 4,000 people Elizabeth had murdered... Not to mention her own cousin, Queen Mary of Scotland she had beheaded, because of her own jealousies'. They paint Elizabeth as a saint, and Mary as a she-devil. It's how things were in that time. But to be fair, Elizabeth was far worse a murderer & thief, then her sister Mary...
Really?! Not personal?! So Boleyn giving certain people orders to slap her around when she called herself (rightfully so) the Princess and to call her out her name "the cursed bastard" wasn't personal?! Sorry but it doesn't get more personal than that.
Jane died of an infection after the birth of Edward. Puerperal fever, it's called. Also, Edward wasn't cut from the womb, like most stories say. I do, however, think that Henry as well as condemned Katherine of Aragon to death when he ripped his love from her. They were so devout in their love, too, in the early years. I don't like how she's always portrayed as his senior by like twenty years though, when it was only five. /end ramble xD
@Darthbelal Hey, sorry typo, 400 an estimated four hundred, you should read the "elizabeth's irish wars" or the Desmond rebellions. I know her younger brother edward also had a kill count of an estimated 300, like around 280 something, The oldest sister, mary. was like 276 or 7. Anyway, thats what i can come up with at the top of my head. Though, these are burnings, cuz she also set irish crops and w/e to burn to cause them to starve and submit. Harsh times indeed.
Mary was strong incredibly so the odds of her becoming queen was stacked against her until henry put her in the line of succession. As far as her not being crime or evils I would have to disagree she became incredibly cruel butter and vindictive look she killed about 300 people but just look at Thomas Cranmer that was done out of spite
@NicolaWriter Mary was totally bad ass, especially how she raised her own army to win her throne! I loved reading about that. Very, very good point too, if she was so tyrannical and evil she would have executed Elizabeth in a snap. She wasn't fond of Elizabeth by any means, she was fiercely suspicious of her after the Wyatt Rebellion, but after some guidance she not only released her from house arrest, but invited her back to court. Much more more merciful than E was to Mary Queen of Scots.
Joanne Whalley is so beautiful..she was an awesome Mary from the Virgin Queen :). But no one tops Daphne Slater in the 1970's "Elizabeth" I swear to God that woman looks like she actually stepped out a tudor painting.
@ligreekguy Elizabeth had Mary queen of the scots...she was a bigger threat to Elizabeth than Jane would have ever been to Mary. she was in direct line of power and the people of England never rejected her. and yet she was kept alive for 19 years, and then only when conclusive proof was shown that she was directly involved in these plots. Jane was beheaded because she was used as a figurehead not because she did anything.
You are not seriously going by the looks of theses actresses in these movies and tv shows right? Also the portraits that were painted are not true to the real person either. We will never know what they truly looked like. Also a woman’s beauty came from here dowry in those days. I’m Mary’s case she was still beautiful for Tudor standards it was her attitude and the way that she ruled that was ugly.
@@brandyh9098 Elizabeth 1 was a smallpox survivor but it left her skin horribly scarred. It was common when the variola virus was naturally circulating for people who contracted and survived smallpox to wind up blind and/or disfigured. The lead makeup of the day which the Queen wore extensively certainly didn't do anyone's health or skin any favors but people didn't really know and understand how toxic things like lead and mercury are back then.
@gapeachjessica It would be hard to argue against her bitterness! If she hadn't been so hardcore Catholic, she might have attempted suicide! Joanne did capture Mary's bitterness and the scene where she dies while in "childbirth" is superbly done. Joanne was about 43 when she played that part, which was actually older than Mary was when she became queen (38 or so) Everyone in Elizabeth R looks exactly like their character- its actually kind of scary. If Glenda's eyes had been darker..oooh.
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@bloodmemories1234 clips from a tv mini-series called The Virgin Queen were taken as well. That looks to be the only other show that clips were taken from.
Whats with all this negative talk about Anne Boleyn? It's not like she had much choice in the matter despite what you may have seen on TV. 1) Henry broke off her engagement to Lord Percy 2) Stalked her even when she tried to escape to Hever 3) She held him off the best she could knowing that he could make or break her families fortunes to keep her virtue. What women back than seriously thinks "Hey lets see if I can make the King divorce his wife and make me queen". Think about it.
@ligreekguy no problem with good debate ^^ about her sibling's relationship, I'm fully aware that it was not her fault. it was not the children's fault either though. she had a 17 year difference with the elder of the two and was raised in a different manner/religion. take also into account that they were all step siblings and the relationships their mothers had (+ that she was the only one big enough to remember..) and you see how their relationship was bound to be strained. (more below)
@telamon2011 Anne's plots against Catherine and Mary were political not personal. Henry however had a choice and nobody could make that man do anything. Anything he did was self serving regarldless of whose life he ruined. When Catherine was dying he could have easily have sent Mary to her side yet he did not. Even when Anne was beheaded he still chose to treat Mary and Elizabeth as annoyances rather than daughters.
@spartacus3ful I still say she did so because she thought it was poisoned. Protestants see communion as sacred too, but to Elizabeth, being a Queens only heir so far and knowing that all the people involved in that Queen's personal counsel see you as the ruining of all they worked hard to establish, it's easy to assume that their poisoning you would be an easy solution to securing their plans for the kingdom.
to be fair with their father king Henry VIII, I think the estimated 54,000 to 72,000 people executed is an exaggeration. The number was too much for the people to tolerate. If the figure is reliable, it probably included those people who have died in warfare during Henry's reign but definitely not by executions alone.
I don't think they were the opposite of their mothers. On the contrary, they seem to have been exactly like them. Mary was stubborn, staunchly catholic and generous to the poor like Katherine of Aragon. Elizabeth was feisty, flirtatious and devious just like Anne Boleyn. As a matter of fact, Mary increasingly disliked and mistrusted Elizabeth as she grew older, because she reminded her so much of her mother.
Elizabeth probably didn't remember much about Anne, but don't you think that personality traits can be hereditary? And despite the fact that Elizabeth lost her mother so early, she seems to have cherished her memory, because she would later wear a necklace with the letter "A" which had once belonged to Anne.
@ligreekguy he might have had no official power, but he had her under control. she made that clear in a lot of instances. executing jane grey was for him, and the wars were for him too, she might have hated the french but she would not have warred them if he didn't want to. and while she took all those Spanish titles, she didn't do anything with them, at least i haven't heard of anything (honestly didn't even know that fact.) fact is if she had her way, he would have been king regent...
