The Ultimate Game-Improvement Iron Test Part 2 | Moderate Swing Speed Comparison 

Yup I agree totally! They should have Bob back whenever testing super game improvement clubs.

Hey Rich is that your pic? Are you really Evil Roy Slade?

Glad to hear you have found a great iron for you! - Thomas

I agree. I feel like the speedzones get a bad rap because of the strong lofts, cast heads, top line and “game improvement” tag. My friends who are great players were all pleasantly surprised by them. I have a set of old Hogans, the definition of butter. And while the Cobras aren’t nearly as buttery, they do feel awfully sweet when you flush one. The top line, to me, is not hideous at all and definitely inspires confidence and the numbers don’t lie. The things are rockets.

Thanks for watching. Glad you found some irons that work well for you - Thomas

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Thank you for watching and for the feedback!

Thanks for watching - Thomas

Yes, the jacked loft thing is controversial. However what most folks who object to the idea of strengthening lofts don't take into account is the fact that although the loft of the 7 iron in the T400 set is actually a 6 iron loft, the overall length of the 7 iron is still a 7 iron length - not a 6 iron length. This means that it is easier to hit this 7 iron length club with 6 iron loft and hit it straighter than it would be to hit a 6 iron length, 6 iron lofted club. It is always easier to hit shorter length clubs straighter and more accurately than longer length clubs. That's why it is far easier to hit a 9 iron straight than a driver.

They're more than impressive, they're incomparable, as is the 60 degree CBX2 I got to finish off my HB Launcher set.

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Ha ha ha I that was the very first thing I thought when I saw him - great minds ha ha ha

Yes I thought that first thing and then checked comments and this was at the top! Say My Name... LOL

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Let us know if we can help!

I had mine for over 15 years.lol.

I agree Dave!

He has been playing the Titleist T400 irons and loves them - Thomas

Mavrik products are explosive, no doubt!

Yes, the Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo irons are fantastic for slower swing speeds. They pack a punch!

Hi Jim, thanks for watching and commenting! The T400 is closer to a "super" game-improvement iron than the AP1. T400 is larger, wider sole, and has a hollow head construction versus the cavity back design of the AP1. With that said, both emphasize forgiveness and playability.

2nd Swing Golf nice. However not so nice price. 1100 plus. Ouch.

Thanks for the comment! You're absolutely right. Bob would definitely benefit from hybrids for a good portion of his "iron" set. For this video, we just wanted to test the performance of those super game-improvement models, and figured Thomas hitting it in the center of the face every time wouldn't show as much! The best place to make the transition to hybrid, generally, is when that consistent height number drops a little bit. Clubs through the bag should have relatively the same peak height, but it can drop in those longer irons, which is when it's time for that switch to maintain that height.

Hi Justin. You make a great point about the lofts. In a true full fitting, Thomas would have dug into at what point Bob should begin using hybrids instead of irons. This was more of a test to see how these types of irons perform for a golfer that would fit the demographic, as we get a lot of requests to have a slower swinger or higher handicapper hit game-improvement clubs rather than Thomas (and understandably so). Thanks for watching!

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Thanks for watching Jason. We have 5 locations 2 in Minnesota (Minnetonka & Minneapolis store), Scottsdale, AZ, Wilmington, DE & Columbia, MD. I am located at the Minnetonka location in Minnesota it's a bit of a drive but drivable. Please reach out if you would like to come in for a fitting and I would love to fit you - Thomas

Hi Peter, thanks for watching. We agree that it is not a true comparison when the clubs have different lofts. This test was conducted to give Bob a look at some of the iron models that might be better for him than his current gamer and provide a quick breakdown of some of the "super" game-improvement irons out there.

@@2ndswing Also...Bob stated at the outset that he was looking for more distance in order to carry that water hazard, so my understanding that his primary goal was distance. The numbers looked like once he gets used to the clubs and straightens out the shots, he will get what he was looking for.

When fitting we test heads with the same shaft and once we find the best head then we optimize the shafts. For some it makes a huge difference and others not as much - Thomas

Yes, but it is important to note that although the T400 has a 6 iron loft, it still has a 7 iron overall length, so it is not, in reality, a true 6 iron.

Thanks for the comment! Yes, in a true fitting, Thomas would have fit him for some hybrids at the top of his set to create the higher launch you are referring to.

We've got several club comparisons and tests on our channel with a professional golfer testing the clubs!

Hi Don. This was merely a test to compare the performance of the iron models, not necessarily a fitting. In a fitting, Thomas would have had Bob hit different shafts to, like you said, increase that peak height.

Hi Kym. Yes, each of the models you listed would also be good options for Bob to test. In a true fitting, Thomas likely would have considered those options!

Thanks for watching and for the suggestion. The clubs we used here were based on the most popular choices for a golfer like Bob based on our fittings and manufacturer info. We will definitely keep the Airspeed and Superlite in mind moving forward for moderate swing speed tests.

Thanks for watching! Most game-improvement irons nowadays have lofts much stronger than they were several years ago. Cobra F-Max is perhaps another we could have thrown into this test as well.

@@2ndswing Understood but the Titleist 7 at 26* is equal to the Ping 6 at 26*

That Titleist 7 iron is NOT a "true" 6 iron because the overall length of the club is still 7 iron. It just has a 6 iron loft. This is a factor that virtually NONE of the videos reviewing strong lofted irons ever makes a point of telling viewers. Most iron sets that have strong lofts still have "conventional" lengths for the designated iron number. That said, in the past, virtually all golf clubs had shorter "standard" lengths than today's models. It would be interesting to know if the so-called "Pro" models have shorter shaft lengths than "game improvement" models in addition to having more traditional "weaker" lofts.

But no one swings as consistent as a machine so not sure of the point of that. Great seeing an average golfer testing clubs

Thank you for watching - Thomas

Hi, thank you for the comment! This would be an ideal test to remove as many variables as possible and get a true comparison of performance. For this video in particular, we did want to educate both Bob and the viewers about the different lofts and how different manufacturers have different philosophies about their stock lofts. We'll add your idea to our list!

Thanks for watching - Thomas

With these new clubs with strong lofts have a "7" on the head but the loft is that of a 6 iron however the 7 iron still has the 7 iron length. That makes it easier to hit more accurately but farther because of the strong loft. A shorter length club is easier to hit accurately than a longer length club. That's why it is easier to hit a 9 iron straight than a 4 iron or a driver. So when you make a 7 iron length club with 6 iron loft you get the advantages of both. The is one reason to get new clubs. Golf club technology has improved so much in recent years that manufacturers are making clubs that are so much more forgiving and easier to hit which makes the game more fun for those of us who are not pros. That is why I own - and love - the Titleist T400's. For many years when I carried a single-digit handicap I used soft forged carbon steel "player's" blades. Nothing feels as good as hitting a soft-covered ball with forged blades. Sweet!! Because they were unforgiving, they forced me to be very precise with my swing, so playing those blades really sharpened up my game. At that time I felt that playing cast stainless steel forgiving "game improvement" clubs allowed me to be a bit sloppy in my swing, and it hurt my game. I also didn't like the feel and sound at impact of those hard steel clubs. These days because of the ravages Mother Nature and Father Time have bestowed upon me, and the unkind treatment I receive from Mr. Arthur Ritis, I need help in the distance category, so I am thoroughly enjoying the benefits offered by my Titleist "super game improvement" T400 irons. I'm regaining lost distance, and they are easy to swing. They also have a satisfying "click" at impact with a soft-covered ball.

@@1funkybasslady Thank you for the lesson and I appreciate it. Makes sense. At this time I went with the two areas I needed most help in driving and putting. Sims driver and scotty Cameron putter

@@johnbethel9725 You are welcome! Hope my comments were of some help to others as well. Wishing you the best of luck with your new driver and putter!

The lofts are strong, that's for sure!

@@2ndswing But as I keep saying....they are still 7 iron length, so easier to hit accurately than 6 iron length clubs. Why don't you experts point that out when demonstrating strong lofted clubs???

The Cleveland Launcher HB's are awesome for moderate swing speeds!

I just bought those irons. Impressive 💎

What? He's 70, he's not about to learn new swings with his aging body.

Depending on the golfer the stronger lofted irons help a player with their dynamic loft. He was very happy and is much more comfortable with the results on the course he plays.

The lofts are a full club stronger, but the lengths are not. They are all the same 7 iron length. That is a big deal.

Thanks for watching - Thomas

its only 5 shots, come back another day and hit another 5 shots and that tight dispersion could be gone. I would personally get my fave 2 from this test and his 20 with each again and see what that showed.

Ok Karsten!

Hi Randy, thanks for watching our videos and for commenting! This does depend on the clubs in question. Generally, hybrids are designed to go farther than irons of the same loft just because of the construction. Cobra designed the 5h and the 6-iron at the same loft in order to provide the proper gapping when blended into a full set.

@@2ndswing Thank you for the great content and speedy reply!

Hi Ed. Thanks for watching. Height, landing angle and spin is more important to pay attention to. For example If a player delivers a club with a high dynamic loft, less loft on the club will help get the player into the right window for a 7iron. It is important that the club still has stopping power and if a players height drops or landing angle decreases we know a golfer needs more loft. Just because a club has less loft on it means its designed to go further, the GC of the club has been modified on that specific club to increase launch. Every golfer swings differently and loft can help us get a player into the optimal window for a 7 iron.

Appreciate the feedback - Thomas

It's a tough one for him as he does not use the lower body. Hard to make a change when you have been doing the same thing for years - Thomas

More importantly peak height and stopping power the T400 won't stand a chance to stop on the green with a low club speed. - Thomas

@@2ndswing JPX 923 HL or Ping 425 retro spec are the solution with Ping having nicer looking smaller offset. Is the retro spec popular at fittings??? For marketing maybe they should also call it HL lofts ;)