Great vid. I have been watching teck content since early 2018 and this one is a very, very good reply to the question asked by a viewer. My newest build was with a RX6800XT so i chosed a 1440P monitor.
I doubt he's using both monitors for Rust at 7000px wide. He's probably using the secondary for something else (multitasking). Therefore, the only factor is the single 1440p ultrawide, plus a small overhead for the second monitor.
My 7700X destroyed my 5800X3D (now sold) in pretty much everything gaming related. I won't even go into content creation (Photoshop, Premier, etc), the gap becomes even more obvious. Yes, 5800X3D is an awesome chip for gaming for last gen and if you absolutely must stay with Zen 3. But if you game AND use other programs, do yourself a favour and sell your Zen 3 machine while it still can fetch some cash and upgrade to a Zen 4 platform. Last but not least, get more than 8 cores on Zen 4. 12 or 16 works great for gaming and for content creation. Yes, 7800X3D is great if you are a serious competitive gamer (pro level) but chances are you are not. So get a 12 or 16 cores Zen 4 chip instead. On another note, for multi monitor setups, Windows 11 works better than Windows 10. Great stuff as always guys, keep up the good work!
@@warcrabcyber9908 Maybe “destroy” was an exaggeration but it sure beats it. I benched and I used both systems simultaneously for over 6 months. The 7700X felt faster and snappier at everything.
@@warcrabcyber9908 I ain't imagining. I have more than 5 systems. One of them was the 5800X3D with an Aorus Pro X570 motherboard. Tweaked with curve optimiser, 32GB 3600mhz CAS 16 memory (G.Skill b-die) and a Noctua D15. I also have gen4 NVMe across all my machines. I had a good 5800X3D chip, it never throttled. I always find the sweet spot when I'm tweaking stuff so my PC doesn't throttle or become too hot. What I am trying to get across here is that the Zen 4 platform has more room "to breathe" if you like, probably because of the DDR5 bandwidth. Note that I have 32gb of DDR 6000 at CAS30 on my 7700X which does also play a big role. I tweak all my systems. 5800X3D is an awesome chip for gaming if you must stay with Zen 3. I am just saying that if you were to upgrade to another platform, there is no better time than right now to sell your Zen 3 CPU and platform components in general. They will be worth half as much in a year's time if you are lucky. That's what I am trying to say. Check reviews on YT of the 5800X3D vs the 7700X and you'll see that people have been getting similar results.
It is always best to Save Cash and get the best Parts, you save time, and get the best experience out of any computer usage plus added bonus run games relatively well. EDIT: I have a 3090 and my upgrade path is a 5090 cause i'm running a 1440p 144HZ monitor. If i had a 4k monitor most definitely i would have had to force myself to a 4090 just to get my game to keep up with the monitor fidelity.
I agree if you are running a high refresh rate ultra monitor and you want to play the latest AAA games, you need the best gpu each generation offers. When I got my 3090 at launch it didn’t feel enough to run RTX games at high settings. The 4090 is much more up to the task, but who knows in a year or 2.
@@dakbassett pretty much any game using full ray tracing. So for example even Control needed DLSS to get around 90-100 fps. With Cyberpunk at high settings with dlss quality I could only get 60-70 average with dips to around 45-50 fps at times. Warzone 2 no ray tracing the fps was starting to reduce after every update.
From all the channels I watch, who use a 4090 to benchmark CPUs, who have benchmarked the 5800X3D, I have not seen a single one of those guys do their benchmarks only in 1080p, High detail. They will sometimes include 1080p results for completion's sake, but every single one of those guys (again, the ones I am watching), al do 1440p and 4k. No idea what your point was in the beginning here. It sounded like a strawman argument to me. Edit: Just to be clear, I am not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that I have made very different experiences from the thing you are describing and thus do not understand where you're coming from.
A 27'' 1440p monitor vs a 34'' Ultrawide 1440p monitor require complete different sets of hardware to run. At 165hz? Ha, good luck hitting that natively on a 34'' ultrawide. Even a 4090 can't get to that lvl of performance. Tech has been in the industry for so long I am sure he has experienced so many different configurations and his "acceptable" lvl might be different from you. Just like everyone's expectation is different. I have 2 monitors both 1440p but one is 27'' and one is an ultrawide 34''. On 2 different monitors and the same settings of any given games with the asus 4090. The 27'' 1440p monitor gains at least 30fps vs the ultrawide because the resolutions are different. Why do you hear people telling you to listen to your parents? Because they were once your age and they have experience. Same thing here. One last thing, you can run any gpus you want on any monitor. The argument here is that the viewer has a 165hz monitor. Sure the 6950xt works but maybe gets max 80fps for games he plays. You are leaving performance you paid for on the table. Defeats the purpose of having that high refresh ultrawide.
the thing is that rust seems to be something of a 'weird' or strange game. so it might be a bit of an outlyer in terms of not being a representative game. so i would encourage re-testing this scenario with a variety of other (less controversial) games. thing is i am in the same situation here! so really want to see some answers. actually i am with even worse gpu here... trying to drive 1 ultrawide 1440p with a 5700xt and intel i7-8700k. so i am on medium detail, and perhaps bumping down the resolution too (to 1080x2560). so it struggles quite a lot.
I’ve recently upgraded my monitor with a 1440p/165hz ultra wide that is now paired with a 1080p/75hz ultra wide for content consumption, I’m aiming to 60fps with my rx6700xt/R55600X and most of the time I’m on target. I will upgrade my GPU soon but I’m not going to buy a second monitor with a lot of pixel to push, I find it not really useful.
I have. 5800X3D, and an RX 6800 XT, run triple 32” monitors for IRacing. It definitely has trouble with large car fields or at night. I wish more people would test with triples and ultra wide monitors. Wondering if a RX 7800 XT would help.
On a 5800X3D + 3080Ti +32GB + UW1440p (100hz). Some games run fine and some don't. D2 runs beautiful (solid 100 fps). MSFS2020 landing/takeoff in Melbourne (YMML) I get 25-33 fps (in a PMDG 737 800). I take it, it depends on how optimized the game code is.
Folk 🙏 that 5800X3D is technically a PC console remplacement build CPU for single display screen only 💭 on budget without DDR5. I buy that 5800X3D only to play game on single TV and in work like rocket 🚀.
Alternatively he could just turn off that second monitor and save himself a ton of trouble. If you want to play a game, play the game and focus on that only. Why people feel the need to multi-task is beyond me.
By that logic there isn’t much of a reason to have a PC at all. One of the big benefits of having a PC is to be able to multi task or at the very least, quickly switch between multiple different tasks when need be. What you just described is exactly what a console is for, doing only 1 thing at once. While having a PC powerful enough to seamlessly handle heavier multitasking certainly isn’t a necessity, it’s a very nice experience to have if you can afford the components. Just because *you* don’t personally understand the benefits of it doesn’t make the decision invalid.
If he play the games only on one 3144x1440 wide-screen monitor would be playable I think. I play on 3144x1440 wide-screen with rx 6900 xt sapphire and ryzen 9 3900x I got on ultra setting approximately 100 fps depends on the game some more some less
Just because a monitor is high refresh rate doesn't mean you need to run all games at max refresh rate all the time. With 165 hz that's not realistic for anything even a bit demanding at good visual settings, except maybe with DLSS FG or FSR3 (which have their own downsides). The main point of any high refresh rate monitor IMO is the G-sync/freesync/VRR experience with uncapped framerate, which basically will be great at anything between 60 and 144+ (as long as the frametimes don't spike too much causing stutters). Capping your fps to half the refresh rate is fine too if you want to spare some GPU resources for a bit of multitasking. On the other hand, for older or lighter games you'll be able to run the games at the monitors max refresh rate and enjoy that too. For reference I use a 12700k and 3080 12 GB on an Alienware AW3423DW and feel I take good advantage of the monitor when gaming. G-sync smoothes things out surprisingly well even in extreme cases like Cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing at 35-40 fps. Equally important is the actual quality of the panel tech and feature set like HDR. For example, IPS is no match to OLED for gaming no matter how many hz it nominally had, because the panel tech is inherently inferior for motion clarity, contrast and black levels. In other words there's a lot more to monitor choice than just "how much fps number can I cram in to match the max refresh rate number".
Unless you sit with your face pressed against the monitor 4K on anything less than a 32 inch screen is a waste of time. I have a 28 inch 4k and just run it at 1440p which with my eyesight and how I like to sit I can't see the difference. I use 24 inch 1080p 165hz for serious online gaming, easy to miss things on a bigger screen. I'm guessing that's why benches are often done at 1080p for the pro's using 360hz plus screens.
It still surprises me that people are buying CPUs based off of benchmarks when a single task is running, when they know full well they'll be running a dozen programmes. The viewer really needs a strong platform to drive the GPUs he needs
GN have just realised video on 2700 2700x history and doing exactly what are you taking about, testing 4090 on 1080 MEDIUM details, that's insane. And there 5800x3d wins a lot :)
To play AAA games at 1440p High Quality 16x9 at 75hz with a RX 7800 XT wanting only 45fps what CPU is needed and how many years till the GPU needs upgrading?
Well, just running two such monitors won't stress the CPU. They need to look at what they are running. Especially look at your browser, which are now becoming mini operating systems in themselves and with that use resources. Check if you have hardware acceleration enabled or not. I have a 5800x3d and a 4090, with a 4k TV, and two 1440p monitors. And it is the browser (Edge) that is the problem child in all this. I end up switching off the hardware acceleration when playing games (edge is using the GPU to upscale videos, which is great when not playing games but does not like it when the game has all the GPU) but then it uses the CPU. Some of the games I play are Hogwarts, Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3 and I don't have issues running Discord and having ~6 tabs open in Edge inc. RU-vid. And in the background is stuff like Logitech and Corsair utilities. My next upgrade will be a many core CPU as 8 is not enough looking forward for power users.
I ended up switchig off hardware acceleration for google chrome too and now my system is much more stable and radeon adrenalin doesn't crash anymore. (well almost :) )
I don't think the 7950x3d is working like that. Some people want to claim it is working well, many are also saying they aren't. Seems like a gamble. On the other hand you have the 4070Ti that has been trashed by every reviewer on the net, now the top recommended. Cause there's nothing else.
You have a brilliant setup. Something is seriously wrong with that guy's setup if he is ''struggling''. Sounds like he needs to do a fresh install of windows
i use to run a 3440x1440 on 5700xt with a 3900x and it was good doin 60fps in most games no problem. I do now have a 4090 and 5950x on a 4k 32in main display.
I'm using 5900x / 4090 configuration on a 1440p144hz monitor, and while in older games i get cpu bottlenecked due to a weaker CPU and a lower resolution, I still get the full usage in the games like portal RTX and Cyberpunk with path tracing. I'll likely upgrade the platform within 2 yrs, but for now it feels ok enough
@@sakhayaangavriliev284 sorry, i was actually wrong, that cpu can actually easily handle a 4090, especially on 4K resolution which i assume you are playing on
Do you think a 3900x, 32gb of 3200 RAM and a 3070 is enough for video editing on 1440p monitor and music editing. I never play games and I want to get a 4k monitor but is my system enough for a standard monitor at those resolutions? I currently use CapCut to edit my videos. I have enough money to buy whatever I want but why waste money if it’s not necessary. If I need an upgrade then shouldn’t Intel be my go to?
A drop in 5900x makes a lot of sense. It is 20% faster in computer, but it’s the latency improvement you’ll notice most. Not too expensive if you’re ok to sell your 3900x
I’m mainly a gamer, but got into video production and early this year upgraded to an RTX4090 and 7950x3D and been happy ever since ….. yes I’m running 4K HDR 160hz and a 3440 x1440p 120hz monitor for multitasking, but 4K for gaming and this will see me through another few years … probably till RTX6000 series imo.
according to the rules of the hardware industry, the next ddr is twice faster than the previous ddr, so we know ddr 4 is 4800 mhz so ddr5 should be 2 x 4800= 9600 MHz. But in the market, there are no DDR 5 having 9600 MHz frequency.
This advise many never listen enough, you'll see a bunch of fool running at 1440p with 3060/6600 with 5 series CPU. The worst they expect this to last for years....not even 1 gen it goin to struggle with next gen game of their desire graphic option and FPS.
Always real world with you, ultra wide monitor and two of them, systems will struggle at times. Never use AMD gpu's with multi monitors, just check the idle voltage if you do.
I listen u so i buy 9 months ago 3440x1440 monitor with ryzen 9 7950x + 4x16gb ddr5 (64gb) + RX 7900XTX with 2 tb nvme and 1300 seasonic golod power supplay. THX. Also I have second 1080p đonitor for discord and stuff.
Tech, I have a 3900X and a 3070. It works fine for me now. I have been tempted by the 5800X3D dipping under $300 and now by the 7800XT at $500 pending reviews. My main display I use for everything (tv, movies, gaming, remote work, email/teams/excel/etc) is a 42" LG C2. For gaming I usually change the resolution to 3840x1600. Or I'll change the resolution to 1440p and let the display stretch it to fill the screen. I'm fine with 60fps for more demanding games. Which part do you think makes the most sense to upgrade first? If either of those options is even worth an upgrade, vs hanging onto everything for another year or 2.
I think the 7800xt wont be big of a increase in performance over your 3070. I would recommend at least a 7900xt. A 5800x3d and 7900xt would be a great combo!
This is what I am saying to all the aspiring PC builders since the introduction of 1600p in the mid 2000s and 4k later, what monitor are you targeting to use? The cpu and gpu you should buy always depends on how many pixels they're gonna push. 3440x1440 is 5 million pixels (double that per extra monitor) so you'll generally need something way more powerful than a 1440p/165hz capable gpu. Currently the RTX 4090 is the only gpu that is almost able to provide such high fps on some demanding titles, it might not be even enough to drive dual 3440x1440p 165hz dual monitors on uber demanding games. You'll also need a cpu with adequate amount of cores and fast enough IPC to feed that monster gpu to drive such monster number of pixels.
I think we are getting to the point where games are starting to max out 4/6 core CPUs and push 8 core CPU usage pretty high. If you just game and don't have a lot going on in the background, you should be fine with 8 cores. However, multiple monitors with multiple things going while game, you need more than 8 cores. Intel has noticed this and that is why the core counts continue to rise across all their CPUs. There are rumors that AMD is going to do the same as well.
Browsers, the OS, all those are starting to require a full weaker core, sometimes two Cores are the future, and I'm glad intel's big little push is paying off. An i5-12500h feels better than my r7 5700 did
I'm running a single 5120x1440 49 inch gsync monitor capable at 260hz but ran at 120hz with an evga 3080 ftw3 on a 5950x chip. Some games it clearly struggles at, other games it runs just fine. I am fairly certain it really is my gpu that bottle necks currently. The resolution is just shy of being a 4k screen. At some point I'll have to accept reducing my screen foot print or upgrade the video card.
@@45eno I spent weeks tweaking the monitor. The fps cap is locked in the display driver through the Nvidia controller. Not all of my games have that option. At 144hz I was getting occasioan stuttering. Dropped it to 120hz and zero stutter. As I recall from all of my testing, I had to lock the frame rate in on the monitor as well. I am really happy with it as it currently is. But I can look into trying that again.
@@45enoYup, Gsync on and vsync always disabled. This is my second Gsync monitor. I have Gsync enabled for both formats fullscreen/windowed. The problem is more about the games. Not all games perform equally or suitable. Some games take special measures just to enable them to run at 5120x1440 because they don't natively support that resolution. Other games refuse to run at that resolution. GTA 5 for instance is very troublesome. Nothing I tried could ever get to a solution for the right screen resolution. It was always just off from being right at best. If I want to run a game in normal versus ultrawide, I have to make that setting in windows first. Otherwise no setting I make on the monitor or the game will prevent it from filling all the way out to the sides. Very frustrating when that mangles my desktop icons. heh I'm open to advice and suggestions. My aim personally is in the middle of quality and performance.
Hello sir . I am one of your old youtube subscribers. I shortlisted two builds for myself but confused in between. Please suggest what you think might work best. I currently have an old GTX 1050ti and I will add a GPU this year end (6700 - 6800xt based on price ). A 12400f ddr 4 without GPU build for 400 USD (3600 mhz cl18) or a 7600 (5200 MHz cl38 )for 510 USD . In both cases, there are more than 50% chances I might upgrade the processor after 4-5 years to 13700k or 7800x3d respectively. I will use a b760 or b660 motherboard respectively. Please help me 🙏. All i am looking for is price to performance.
pick up a b650 and a 7600, and a 7800xt when they launch. You can go intel, but I would advise against ddr4 with 12th or 13th gen, but I would also advise against slow ddr5 for Am5. Pick your poison. What resolution and refresh rate are you targeting? What is your current cpu? what is your current psu? It's more than just upgrading cpu/mobo/ram/gpu with this new hardware.
@@chrisoverton2759i currently have an xeon e3 1270 v1 cpu and Corsair rm 750 psu . For now i will play in 1080p 60hz. I am hoping to upgrade 1440 p in 2025
@arghanill8525 so you basically have an i7 2600. I’d recommend replacing your gpu first, as thats whats holding you back from getting higher framerates at the moment. Maybe pick up a 7800XT if you can, and then hold off on upgrading the mobo/cpu/ram until you find that your xeon is holding you back from achieving 60fps. Since you’re targeting 60hz/fps, your cpu should be able to achieve that in most games, though there are many games that will definitely struggle with the core count of your cpu. What games are you looking to play right now? Most games that have a lot of moving NPCs and/or are open world will tax that cpu to its max, as well as multiplayer games with a high in game player count.
@@chrisoverton2759actually there is a catch with my xeon. My motherboard is 10 years old and recently one of its slots is not working. So I am only able to use one Ram slot with 4 gb ddr3 ram. Besides as xeon is 10 nm thicker than my old Pentium g2030 I think somehow it damaged some of my mb pins. Though i repaired that but the repair is not staying for more than 2 weeks .That's why I am looking for a cpu + mb + ram upgrade for now
While a great video, no offense but I thought the title was related lol. Really wanted to check that since I am on a 5600x with a 3080 and debating if I should upgrade to a 5800x3D
Yea I got mine in February and I'm keeping it until Zen 5/15th gen. For a pure gaming rig it will still be good for a while. I upgraded my GPU this year instead and got a 7900XTX. Awesome combination for my 32" 1440p 165hz high refresh. I love the super high framerates in everything
@Ladioz yea I didn't want to be an AM5 beta tester. I'll jump in with an 8900X/8950X or 15700k/15900k. I'm excited to see what AMD and Intel bring next round. It will be a way more impactful upgrade
@Ladioz oh no doubt. I enjoy new hardware too much to wait that long, though lol. I also have a son who loves gaming already, so I'm going give my 5800X3D rig to him as his first PC. There will be a hand me down PC ecosystem in the household from now on lol. Dad gets the good stuff and my boys will have very good equipment to carry me on
With basically every high refresh rate monitor being Gsync or Freesync with a Gsync compatible certification from Nvidia, wanting to have 144+ fps in every latest AAA game is insanely demanding for not really any purpose. I personally am very happy with 80 to 100 fps for AAA games. Gsync/Freesync makes this very smooth fps and frametime wise. Drop a few settings from ultra to high such as shadows and ray tracing. Being willing to accept such an experience makes your hardware lasts a lot longer. But, having the freedom to target different framerates depending on what you play thanks to variable refresh rate monitors and not having to worry about never dropping below a target to get zero screen tearing is awesome. Personally, I have a 27" 2560X1440 165 HZ monitor with a 5800X 3D and a 3090. I am perfectly happy with 70 to 100 fps in AAA games with a mix of high to ultra settings and I enable DLSS to Quality mode if necessary. Then, for older games, esports and indie games, I can max out the refresh rate of the display and enjoy silky smooth high framerate gaming. This way, I enjoy my overpowered hardware for older stuff and get amazing performance and it makes my hardware enoyable in the latest games for more than 5 minutes.
