The Untold Story of the Cult at Sarah Lawrence College - Pt 2 with Felicia Rosario | Season 2: Ep 21 

So they destroy you and then rescue you on many levels,the shit load of deception is mind boggling.😢🤬

So refreshing to see a trained professional admit that being manipulated and drawn into an unhealthy relationship has nothing to do with education or IQ. Hopefully this will be seen by hundreds who need to know that falling for someone like Larry is no reflection on the "victim". Thank you for this very important message!

The way you break this down is so helpful. I recently got into a whirlwind relationship and was married after only 7 months of knowing each other. I'm looking back and shaking my head because it was full of subtle manipulation and abuse that escalated after the wedding and now we are seperated and I've gone no contact. I have felt so embarrassed and stupid for it. I have withdrawn from my supports and developed anxiety and PTSD and flashbacks now. I am struggling to be kind to myself and reconnect with my people. But your explanations are easing the internal burdens and helping me see myself in a kinder light.

Such a brave, articulate, beautiful lady! Inspirational! Sorry you had to go through this! Thank you for sharing. Unbelievable the craziness these evil people can do to good people! You are doing and look great!

Thank you for bravely sharing your testimony🙏 We can learn so much from listening to survivors. 💛

My heart goes out to her family. All the siblings deserved so much better ❤

🤯 *1:19:10** Very good point! In fact, he should be charged with multiple counts of Attempted Murder, and have multiple life sentences!!*

I've heard a lot of this type of thing lately. There are too many people out there guilty of doing this type of crap to other people. I know a lot about it and something needs to be done to identify and punish these people because too many are out there getting away with it and teaching others to do the same things.

You have many great years ahead of you, Felicia. May our good Lord satisfy you with long life and may the rest of your days be filled with joy, love, peace and hope. May you be surrounded with kind, generous, loving and genuine people the rest of your life. May your life bless more others. ❤Hugs

Romance scammers operate similarly- calls all the time to love bomb & get target addicted, THEN then unreasonable requests

I feel like he kept asking her to go out & “have sex with strangers” as a way to keep her with him. She sure as hell made it clear that she wasn’t about that life! Talk about a crazy manipulative psychopath!! Ugh 😣

I really feel for what Felicia has gone through. I’m wondering how is she living now?

I’m crying right now relating to Felicia’s story. The sexual manipulation, gaslighting and the whole YOU CANT WIN dynamic of it all is my story. I thought it was only me. The shame and humiliation has been unbearable. Felicia, if your dream is to help people, you have accomplished that by telling your story. Just knowing someone else has gone through such a harrowing and sexually exploitative experience and come out the other side, gives me hope and lessens my shame. Thank you Dr. Ramani. I can’t tell you how much I love you and that you have saved my life!

Never have you had an episode that resonated so much. I was so triggered I had to go to the bathroom and cry. THIS is the episode that set me free.😭💕 Felicia isn't board certified but she is healing scores of people!!

Oh God. This is my husband... Although not that horrible. But this is MY HUSBAND.... Yes. Thank you Dr. Ramani. I desperately needed a real life example to stop gas lighting my self. Thank you Felicia for having the courage to come and show the light..... God bless you both.

Wow! I agree with the point about murder, but I've never heard anyone else voice it. My son died from an accidental overdose and I have always felt that his father who was diagnosed with ASPD killed him. Fifteen years earlier I had a heart attack and felt at that time that he was killing me. In my case the relationships with family were lost forever. My mother died a couple of years ago and my son and I weren't at her memorial service but my sociopathic ex husband was. That is a pain that is renewed over and again. My niece and Goddaughter is getting married this weekend and I won't be there either. It is very sad and no one understands what happened. I attempted to talk to my niece about it but I also know that she can't really afford to believe me.

This is an astounding interview.. These abusers choose intelligent people because they are a challenge. It's no fun tricking stupid people.

Dr, Ramani is so articulate when sharing her knowledge and perspectives. It has a powerful effect.

Felicia, you will be a Wonderful Doctor when it is right for you. I wish you the best! Thank you for sharing and staying alive!

“It is a form of committing murder. And it is a way of committing murder that he will get away with. Coerced suicide, to me, is a murder. It is. As far as I’m concerned it’s a homicide. No way any court in any land will ever see that.”

A powerful and brave woman Felicia Rosario! I learned so much from you in this sharing of your story..I also have been through this type of erosion of my self. I can deeply empathise with you. I wish you the best healing possible. Thank you Dr Ramani for using this as a teaching tool so others can get informed educated and perhaps saved from getting involved with harmful people.

When I was accepted to office administration program, my husband was making fun of me and saying everyone that I decided to become a secretary.He was jealous and competing with me.A loving person never does that.

Thank you, Felicia. I had therapy today, and your story helped me finally make sense of my childhood trauma. Blessed be!

As a woman and medical professional this is so difficult to hear 😢 the fact that this type of evil is out there makes me cling to my faith even tighter 🙏 God bless this woman and Dr. R let’s all learn together and help protect each other from these evil ones.

I can relate so much to the “make it stop” scenario. My ex insisted that Chubaca was a real being..I kept asking why we didn’t know who played him in Star Wars…he made fun of me…yelled at me..until I couldn’t take it anymore and I started to cry and I said “Fine! Chubaca plays himself in the movie!” This sounds ridiculous, but he was relentless. Insane making behavior.

It sounds like he used police interrogation techniques of the kind that elect false confessions we hope get thrown out in court.

When she spoke about how he would say to her "Why don't you do that!", it hit me! When the Narc repeatedly asked for 'steamy' photos and I didn't want to send any, he mentioned that his friend's wife does that (sends photos to her husband). I did not care about what his friend's wife does but the Narc probably thought that would get to me. THANK YOU Felicia for telling your story! YOU and Dr. Ramani are helping others!

This is so so important. And it makes me want to hear even more. I know that you could probably have long hours worth of conversation with her enlightening us all on some of the nuances that a lot of these situations share. Thank you for highlighting coercive control and bounded choice. They are not discussed or understood, and especially not dealt with appreciately given the huge detrimental impact they both have

The fear of not appeasing someone who “wears you down” emotionally/mentally. I get that totally. It sounds crazy in retrospect but it’s so true. I can relate.

I see so many similarities btwn Larry and my child's father. He often utilized similar coercive control tactics and it was terrifying watching so many fall under his 'spell'

This story is so reminiscent of what R Kelly did to all of those girls, some of whom are still defending him to this day!

The content of this interview mirrors the "family" dynamic my husband perpetrated. Thank you for your work that helps us not feel isolated.

My greatest question here is about Larry’s DAUGHTER…where the heck is SHE, and did she not know about her degenerate dad; was SHE also a degenerate and a partner, or was she also a chess piece? Seriously, where is this girl?

Dr. Ramani, thank you soooooo much for acknowledging and validating that abuse is NOT a reflection of the victim. It has taken a huge load of guilt and shame off of my heart and mind.

So glad you have Felicia Rosario here. I am very impressed to see that she had made such progress in her recovery from that psychopath. I hope we can get to call her Dr Rosario soon. Sending Warmest Regards and Hugs to both of you. You go Felicia ! We will be supporting and cheering you all the way back to higher and higher levels !

Every show I've seen about this case made me absolutely nauseous 😢. This podcast is right on the money. They are both exactly right about every thing they talked about. I'm glad some one understands this entire situation, as it is extremely horrific. It was so hard for me to believe that such educated people could be so manipulated 🤷‍♀️ but she's right, I guess if some one tells you some thing over and over you start to fall into it. I just thought they were all weak minded when I first saw the shows on Hulu but this is what happens in police interrogations some times. I still can't believe she didn't take her boards before she went to NY but I understand she was scared to death at the time. Sad 😢 I'm unsure if she's capable at this time to practice medicine. Just my opinion.

*This is the age old con, used by many streetwise New Yorkers. Its not surprising that Ray has ties to Guiliani and other unscrupulous officials. In politics, same playbook, different audience. Very sad.*

Dr. Ramani Thank you for your kind insight. 'Rape' is more common than most realize. I was raped by a school counselor my second year at CMU - I was 17 when I started at that school. I hate myself for not telling the school. He could have violated many more and I did nothing.

Wow, master manipulator. Scary😮

Having seen the documentary, this is an amazing supplement to understanding Malignant Narcs. So thanksful she escaoed. Previous interview is likewise helpful.

I’m wondering if he’s now starting a cult in jail. Not exactly anything anyone is looking into probably.

her voice is so full of pain. Sounds on the verge of tears. I fully understand how that is and you wonder if you are ever going to talk with a steady voice again.

Felicia is so brave and inspiring. With her emotional insights, high intelligence and beautiful spirit I am sure she will make a difference to the world in the future. Sending you much love, respect and admiration. I hope you will be able to bless medical or caring professions if you choose to. Thank you Dr Ramani for this moving, kind and highly professional interview.

All the best Felicia. Move on with your life. Your experience will make you a good mental health Provider.

"he would castsigate me thinking i was sleeping around, but ask me to sleep around." someone did that to me once & i've never heard this come up before but i'd always thought about it. so wrong. a sexual invitation is something to be honoured & then to jumble that all down w/confusion & mixed signals is seriously going to confuse someone, just lead to ineffectivity . . .

A video that should be watched twice.Thank you Dr.Ramani.

Dr. Ramani, people who are victims usually have their stuff on the outside, including money and career "together." These predators suck in people who don't seem to have their internal or emotional needs met. Those fundamental needs our parents are suppose to meet and fulfill. I am convinced if you are messed up on the inside from birth to 10 years old, you are prime pickings for people like "Larry." What are those primal needs? Here are some examples: unconditional Love, emotional support, feeling heard, feeling seen, feeling important in the family. Also, I have learned just because parents put clothes on kids, food on the table, and roof over their heads don't necessarily make them good parents. Yes, those material things are important, but how are the parents doing it? Do they use, guilt, or shame their kids? Do they treat their kids like adults? Do parents put demands on their children so "they" look good? Do parents fight constantly in front of the kids? Do parents emotionally or physically abuse their children? Do parents manipulate and control their kids? Furthermore, I am convinced that people like "Larry" are physic vultures. They can smell vulnerabilities, desperation, fear, and craving for love and support. And people like "Larry" will relentlessly test your boundaries and wear you down. ~Thank you both for sharing valuable information. PS This was an intense podcast to listen to.

Please take your exam. You can do it & become an amazing Dr. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

It’s sad how much is legal but incredibly wrong and immoral. Helpful to understand that it’s the psychopathic element that is incredibly callous… my dad had many strong elements of psychopathy and sadism as well as the entitlements/felt superiority of narcissism . Even families can be ran like controlling cults. In the past felt almost embarrassed about how long my family had emotional control/direct sabotage in my life… but there are so many correlations… fear/manipulation. Heard a testimony of a woman who said she used to feel embarrassed about how long her family had control over “her bc people would question why… she said I wasn’t just a trained dog but a trained and beaten dog.” Thank you for this testimony/interview… the more humanity can see this from many angles, the more we all can see more layers of our own experience and how they were able to do it. They use same/similar strategies in different ways. Extreme religion is another way to implement all these strategies. It’s all just people weaponizing natural human vulnerabilities ~ #1 of which is not understanding these sorts of motivations/minds/manipulations. I’m definitely free now~still find it so interesting and informative to hear the experiences of others and how they handled it then and in freedom. 💜

Thanks Felicia for helping soooo many people by telling your horrifying story and thanks doctor Ramani. God bless you both ❤

“Social proof” killed her.

This psychopathic imposter needed Felicia's medical background in order to legitimate him. It didn't add up otherwise... given the lack of sexual relationship.. but still keeping her under his coercive control. Disgusting.

As a female medical doctor from an ethnic household who has gone through a similar relationship setting.... The Rosario kids obviously had a redemption fanatsy. They absolutely come from a broken household where the parents werent rescuing them and werent reliable enough. Kids from such homes are always looking for a hero to come along and rescue them so they put people on a pedestal. Unfortunately sometimes we TURN people into narcissistic abusers or end up attracting such kind of people. These people destory and rescue like Dr.Ramani said because they get addicted to the feeling of being needed. We kind of bring that out in them too....

I feel like we haven't talked enough about Talia and she's kinda walking away with everything. Plus there's something going on with Lawrence's family that could potentially provide some background? I personally think they're all game.

I hope Felicia Rosario writes a book.

omg this monster got a hold of all 3 siblings i can't imagine the pain her family had to go through.

Wow! Insanely evil people!

The fact that she never had sex with Larry is blowing my mind 😮

The way she described the journey down the rabbit hole of coercive control was riviting. Her recall is so clear. They can be so terrifying and menacing these narcissists.

At the end of the day, she will be a better doctor in her profession because she will have that understanding of what it’s like to be a victim of this.

4:44 what I’m gonna say will be very triggering and seemingly offensive to Felicia and dr. Ramani but I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with Felicia not being “broken” in any - sure she wasn’t “broken” in the sense thah she was functional and very accomplished but she for SURE had major trauma and issues that maybe she was able to ignore that made her so vulnerable to Larry’s manipulation and later abuse. I think the parts of her that were “broken” had to do with her childhood trauma surrounding her father and his philandering ways and how that affected their family and also, her parents had to constantly work so I’m imagining Felicia and her siblings never really had mom OR dad at home paying attention to them or caring for them that consistently or as much as parents should be doing during their kids childhoods. This is based on things Felicia HERSELF has mentioned in other podcast interviews (so no I’m not violating her privacy) - Felicia’s father apparently cheated often on their mother when she and her siblings were little. She herself claimed this caused her a lot of trauma and grief seeing her father do that to her mom. Thus whether she admits it or not, she did have “daddy issues” - how I know this? Bc again based on what Felicia said in an interview for a podcast, at the end of the first dinner where she met Larry, she wasn’t that interested in him UNTIL he started making her listen to some songs about fathers and daughters and the relationship that fathers have with their kids or something of that sort (she never said the song name but I’ve imagined it was some kind of song like Daughters by John Mayer). These songs about fathers then caused Felicia to start crying as it subconsciously reminded her of her own father and immediately, Larry began comforting her and bc this relationship between her father was an unhealed wound for her, she began opening up to Larry and her guard against this guy was dropped. What that move Larry did with triggering her, making her cry and then comforting her and making her immediately tell him about her deepest issues was him creating a trauma bond with her. After that start of a trauma bond, I have no doubt Felicia started feeling “hooked” on Larry and why his lovebombing tactics and pursuit of her after this meeting were all so effective. imo, whether she agrees or not, that was Larry’s way in to Felicia’s mind whether she realizes it or not - by realizing Felicia had unhealed wounds surrounding her father. It’s no coincidence imo that Larry played those songs that night - no doubt he had been gleaning information about Felicia, their childhoods and their parents and the dynamics between her family from her siblings for the months and weeks leading up to Larry figuring out how to get a hold of Felicia (and I’m sure her siblings probably never even realized that they had revealef any of this info to Larry). Felicia’s trauma issues with her dad imo no doubt was preyed upon by Larry and im not sure why no one else is talking about how that connects to her being attracted to an older man who tried his best to assume a father figure role and then later, forced her into a polyamorous relationship between himself and I believe it was Claudia and pitted the two against each other in a way (for example, forcing both women to sleep in bed with him even tho Felicia wanted a monogamous relationship with Larry). It’s like he forced her into a third party situation the way she saw her father force her mother into a third party situation. Now if she’s gonna claim I’m totally wrong and she never said that then idk what to say except that the interview I heard her talk about her dad and how Larry got her to open up at their first meeting was on Spotify podcasts (forget the name of the podcast). Anyways I think it’s important to discuss this aspect of Felicia’s “brokenness” bc first, being broken is a NOT reflection on whether a person is good or bad or weak and second, you can be broken in some ways but nothing in your physical life will reflect that fact (until of course a psychopath figures out what part of you is broken and then uses that part to systematically manipulate and entrap you) and third, this narrative that she was just fine and dandy just bc she had a thriving career and seemingly functional is such a toxic viewpoint to have bc this is why cults work - they can pick up on anyone’s “brokenness” whether thay person is an addict who flunked out of high school or that person is a high powered CEO making millions of dollars a year - everyone is “broken” in one way or another (until they heal that part of them but to say that no person is broken in any way whatsoever is just crazy.)

I am so happy you were the one that interviewed Felicia and Daniel. The way you created a safe space for both of them to speak their truth without interruption or judgment is so remarkable! I wish more interviewers were like this. Thank you to all the survivors that have been brave enough to share their stories with us🙏🏾

What an amazing conversation!! I learn so much and I felt validated at the same time. Thank you for sharing your story and thank you Dr. Ramani. ❤

How can you look at yourself in the mirror! You are so miserable . If I were you I would already hang myself. It's so easy. I remember so clearly my husband told me these words. I recognize so many dynamics of coercion, malignant triangulation and this pull of different strings. It was kind of a game for him, the final goal of which was to make me not exist. Thank you so much! Your story makes me not feel alone. Because nobody believes me.

Talia still not in prison smh heartbreaking she might have been molded into what she is but it doesn’t give her a passs I just read court documents and omg 😳 she was way more involved in the abuse that I thought she was she is disgustingly I hope she’s not planning her next victim and how to get money to send to her dad

I can't believe how much this hits home!😢

How do people have this much capacity for evil?? How does 1 person do so much damage to many people in such little time?

Flashbacks of perpetrator is so bad, I would remember him when I see a black car and feel like he would come and get me.

I have a question: do you think our military trainings create these kind of abusive people? Larry was a marine. My ex-boyfriend was in the Navy for 26 years. He started bootcamp at age 19. I now have come to realise that he was what you call a 'vulnerable narcissist'. Thoughts?

Thank you for sharing your incredible story, many people will be helped by it!💜

This reminds me of my first ex: the "debates" to wear you down, having a wonderful family and community around him that draws you in (people approve of him for some reason), then telling you you can leave anytime, but then later breaking into my house, stalking me, and throwing tantrums when I tried to leave, among many other terrible things. My family had no idea that evil like this existed and so we were all blind-sided. I can only be thankful for the lessons I personally learned about how they prey on vulnerability and naivete. As a result, I now have the sixth sense to free my friends from these predators. Thank you Dr. Ramani for originally freeing me from this mess and to Felica for telling your story. You are both life-savers.

It is absolutely mind blowing what those people went through 😢

I completely understand Felicia, this brave, beautiful soul. She and Dr. Ramini are bringing this darkness into the light where it can be seen, as difficult as it is to talk about, they are saving lives. These coercive relationships exist with varying degrees of severity and circumstance, but with a similar motive on the part of the perpetrator, to destroy another person. The part about suicide in particular is extremely important. Narcissists and psychopaths cause suicides. Hopefully this type of conversation will lead to awareness of this particular cause of suicide and suicide attempts, its prevention and criminal consequence for those responsible.

'When I was away from him I was able to see more'..... Yes yes yes

I cant wrap my head around how a man instigated all these thoughts & control over a GROUP of people that I'm assuming weren't taking drugs.

This sounds so much like my own story it is so validating to hear that another intelligent capable woman has gone through this. I have been beating myself up for the past year for being “such an idiot” etc. thank you so much Dr. Ramani and Felicia for sharing your story. It gives me hope that some day maybe I can heal

Hurtful harming and just know you can survive it.

You just gave a name to what my daughter has, and it’s Complex Trauma, not PTSD. Me, as well, as her mother, as I suffer from DAILY/Nightly and very intrusive ruminations of the damage of my entire family due to a malignant narcissist. It’s ongoing, it’s been 28 years, and now it’s a court decision and a last hurrah or an Adios to this nightmare. But, no, there will never be a win because of the severe alienation and mind games of children, some as damaged adults. People I love. These people need exposure before we get entangled. My hope for young people.

I did not realize that Larry had a job. She said he was doing a business meeting. Carrying a hundred thousand dollars in a backpack.. what was his occupation??

Thanks very much for sharing your story,it helped me to see several things in my life.

Extraordinary story…..wow🙏

This episode teaches us so much Dr Ramani by breaking down and explaining what was gappening. Dr Ramani how do we spot early on the beginning stages of this type of person?

I'm fascinated by this cult / story! Random side bar, Is that St Patricks & Trump Tower outside her window?

😬 *Im confused about Isabella because although she became more of an aggressor like Larry, its pretty clear how powerdul his manipulation was. Theres no indicators in her past that she wouldve done these things if not under his influence.*

My son graduated from Sarah Lawrence 2014 He loved that College so much .

This seems you have told the story of my life! Thanks! We have the same life story

Thank you to these survivors for sharing. Dr, could you talk to people suffering from Cassandra Syndrome?

God bless you Felicia! You are an inspiration to many!!

I am so happy that you feel validated in the court, for being heard by the judge

How was he able to juggle all these relationships at once to the extent he did knowing the energy it took to take over each persons mind

What a brave & resilient woman Felicia is. Larry should be in solitary confinement in the prison where he's currently serving his sentence. Being alone, with no one to torture, would surely be the worst torment for a monster like him. All my best wishes & admiration go to Alicia as she goes forward to thrive in life more & more! 💖

This whole situation is sooo bizarre. He had to be a trained professional. Ties with one of the 3 letter agencies that specialise in this stuff because of how good he was at it.

DAMN. OMG. I understand this stuff exists, yet still hard to believe. Never heard of this evil man until part 1

Thank you, Felicia, for the courage to share!!!! My story is not totally like this, but so similar. My ex husband I knew for YEARS as a peripheral friend, but he came in & helped in areas no one else did & even my red flags were lowered as family & others seemed to think he was great. Now divorced & still recovering from all the gaslighting, mental & emotional abuse, etc.,

What some people don’t understand when that guy hit himself in front of his sister, it wasn’t a nervous tic, or at least wasn’t all of it, the reason why he was hitting on himself in front of his sister was to make her more vulnerable and make her believe she is at fault for it. This sadly is a very common Manipulation tactic

1:45:07 "shame is a prison."

This was heavy, quality content. Ty to Felicia for sharing her story🙏🏼 I learned and also got a bit emotional. Ty Dr Ramini

Please tell Felicia thank you for me. This podcast helped me so much. Thank you Dr. Ramani. Wanted to share this: I spoke to my nurse practitioner, told her I wanted to seek therapy. I told her that I had been watching your videos. She knows of your work and thinks very highly of your mission to help other therapists know about narcissism. She was telling me some of the same things I have learned from you and your videos. ❤Know that you are helping so many people.

Yessss I've been waiting for part 2 ❤

This is very interesting, thank you for taking on this subject,