The Vicious Mind of Edgar Ross - Red Dead Redemption 

Edgar Ross had the most poetic of deaths: Jack met him by a river and Jack kills him by a river. Ross basically ruined the boy's life yet 110% never saw it coming.

Jack definitely should've said "enjoy your fishing" after shooting Ross lol

Milton was right for what he did, Ross was just an outlaw with a badge. If it was Milton instead of Ross in RdR1, I'm certain John would have been left alone if being constantly monitored for a while (parole, basically). Ross was genuinely just vindictive and used any excuse he could to do what he wanted.

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i love the sarcasm in Fizhys voice when he says "that sounds like a lovely retirement i sure hope nothing bad happens to him and then it immediatly cuts to adult jack marston meeting Ross

using a man's wife and kid as blackmail is another realm of evil

While Ross being in 2 is fan service, it also serves the purpose of getting the player to think like Arthur and distrust Milton and his deal, considering the deal made in Red Dead Redemption 1 panning out like it did.

Jack Martson:"U killed my father prepare to die."

Andrew Milton can best be described as having a dividing mindset while Edgar Ross has a conquering one. This lore fuels the reputation of these products so thank you Fizhy!

To this day, I still wonder why John was getting off a boat at the beginning of RDR1.

Ugh love the parallelism. An armed Edgar Ross meets a somewhat helpless Jack while hes out fishing, then the next time they meet an armed Jack marston meets a somewhat helpless Edgar while hes out fishing

"Hope You Enjoyed Your Hunting Old Man."

Ross is far worse than Milton. Imagine if he Milton was killed early, at the Jack fishing or at Horseshoe Overlook. Imagine Arthur dealing with Ross more. Kidnapping his ex wife….

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Edgar ross is evil. The morally gray one is milton. He didn't take Arthur because jack was there and he gave Dutch ample time to surrender in chapter 3. But he shot at them in lakay knowing jack was there, and took abigal hostage. Overall he was as good as his job allowed him to be though

33:40 No I doubt Edgar Ross claimed credit for killing Dutch. The whole point of getting John's gun to do it was so that it looked like Dutch was betrayed by a fellow gang member so Dutch wouldn't be some anti-government martyr for yet more people to rally around. Ross still gets credit for spearheading the operation that wiped out Dutch's Tall Trees Gang.

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Blackmailing a former outlaw who is trying to erase the past then killing him afterwards is another form of pure evil 😭

The missions with ross in rdr1 are pretty enjoyable. To listen to john and ross hating eachother through conversation was really fun to listen to

From any point of view except the protagonists, Edgar Ross is the good guy. It’s just that we always play an outlaw and he’s very much a lawman. Dutch killed that innocent girl and caused a massacre in Blackwater, and John took the gold the only thing left for Ross to chase after.

7:56 they literally explain why in the epiloge why he decided to settle there. Abigal took jack and left because she didn't want john doing the outlaw thing again. She said how she wanted to have her own ranch at a place called beechers hope during one of the epiloge missions before she left. So john remembered her saying that and tried to win her back by getting the property she told him about

There a line that nobody ever talks about that I always found interesting that is your father killed him self with the life he lived which makes me think did he really believe this and believe all his actions were justified

3:30 I always found this scene very interesting and symbolic in a way. Jack Marston and Edgar Ross first meeting involved fishing by a river and ended the same way when Jack went after Ross.

Really, Ross represents the brilliance of the writing in RDR. Just about every character straddles the line of morality and thus, perception of the these characters is determined largely by the player and their actions. If you play the game honorably, then Ross is a straight villain. No questions asked. However, if you play the game with low honor, basically having John resume the life of a violent outlaw, then suddenly Ross becomes sympathetic. It’s a shame that morale ambiguity has to be ruined by RDR2. The lack of detail regarding what John did as part of the gang made the plot of RDR better.

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The thing I found ironic about the ending's of RDR1 and RDR2. Both of the main antagonist's deaths were brought about because they went 1 step too far. This is assuming the high honor, go with john, is the canon ending of RDR2. But, if Micah didn't go back to beat Arthur and try to kill him. John would've never gone back to kill Micah. If Edgar Ross just left John and his family alone after the death of Dutch, Ross would've retired in peace. But he had to kill John to complete his line of work. Which ultimately would lead to his own death at the hands of the very child he caused so much pain towards. Jack would've never became a gunslinger if Ross didn't push the matter further. Also, John would've remained in hiding, if Micah didn't go back to kill Arthur. Both individuals let their ego's get the best of them and it resulted in their death's.

That rdr piano at the start of the video makes me sad for some reason. I think it must be because we know he will not get a happy ending. Great video as always.

“Enjoy your fishing kid” Aged Well You know John could’ve killed Ross at any point or time but I guess that wouldn’t make sense

I love these looks back at the history of the game and the gorgeous scenery during exposition.

He is just an upgrade version of agent Milton. Milton was bad guy trying to do the right thing on the dishonorable and stubborn way, Ross was just evil. He used John and at the end he just got rid of him. He did what Milton could only wish for.

If the story was from Ross's perspective he would've been seen as a hero.

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Hearing this at work and even just audio, the whole scene of John's death just played in my head

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The first head/face of the FBI was J. Edgar Hoover... Edgar Ross, Coincidence? I think not 🤔

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Haven't watched this all the way through yet but I find it incredibly fitting that the bureau outfit in rdr1 allows you to do anything you want, legal or not considering the ruthlessness Edgar Ross and lack of moral fibre

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Yess I've been waiting for you to cover about edgar ross!

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He's lawful evil.

I believe Ross intentionally left out Dutch’s name, then once John followed orders he changed the deal to include Dutch. He can’t be sure of John’s loyalty to Dutch since John followed him all of those years. Ross is slowing leveraging John while using John’s family as collateral to ensure he follows orders.

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I think the real commentary is this video’s existence - the fact that we see a man who facilitated the killing of four mass murderers as a villain. Edgar Ross was a hero. We just don’t see him that way because we play as the real villains of the Red Dead universe - the ruthless murderers, thieves, and outlaws of the Van der Linde Gang. Because no matter how idealistic Dutch tried to spin it, that’s what they were.

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8:51 As satisfying as RDR2's ending is it gets sad when you realise John's doomed himself.

During my first playthrough I stayed at the bank and killed countless Pinkerton agents , over 150-200 or more for sure , emptying barrel after barrel , couldn’t leave Hosea in the street like that I was looking for revenge but couldn’t kill Pinkerton agents with enough variant way to satisfy that desire About all the scene in the game , this one hits different Amazing video by the way , Fizhy !

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what. a jerk bro kidnapped his family and expected john to be a goodie to shoes for the gov naw he a outlaw #outlawsforlife

Ross is the Textbook definition of mundanity of evil. If you had a less skilled writer; Ross would have been some middle man that John would have Buried almost immediately and made the main antagonist a nine foot tall monster of a man with mountains of muscle. Yet here's Ross; Short, portly and gratting voice. He looks like a turn of a century office clerk. Some one you'd bumb into while going about your day and not think twice about him. Ross knows he the smartest and most sinister in the room and uses his badge as a public servant to get away with his sociohopathic tendencies.

Ross deserved a lot worse. I wonder if it was intentional double speak from Ross when he says he will get a medal and John get a medal too (lead).

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Man this video was fantastic

never put the fishing reference together before, awesome.

I made up a journal that fills in the gaps from 1899 to 1914 Needless to say he highly respected his partner Got obsessive when he died And tried to get things his way And fought alot of resistance By the end he wanted to get away from his wife Do alot of trips like Mexico Its quite an interesting read....if I ever write it

fordham really is one of the best background characters ever written notice how he wasn’t at the murder of john

Another thing linking the Strange Man to John is that during John's second encounter with him in Mexico, he mentions that the law will judge him (something along those lines, i forgot the exact phrasing), and of course, predicting his final resting place on the hill at Beecher's Hope.

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Milton was more reasonable than ross

36:17 As much of an ass as Milton was he was just doing his job in trying to stop a criminal gang. But Ross forced John, who'd put his past behind him to go after Bill, Javier and Dutch by holding Abigail and Jack hostage then had John killed anyway.

Great video.

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Milton looks like Roland Tembo From Jurassic Park 2

It was Milton! He had a bad influence on Edgar as I think he was new to the group and followed him everywhere.

Villain all the way. Even with the differing views on how to live, there is no doubt in my mind Ross enjoyed everything he did to John and the wider gang while a junior with the Pinkertons.

Edger talking about a last fishing trip is very satisfying ❤ .. jack agrees

To be fair to Ross, the bureau has never been about stopping crime just managing it.

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Ross: Everyone will eventually pay for what they've done That includes you sir

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I actually liked milton. He was a respectable agent, but edgar ross is a true example of someone who wasn't fit for the badge. A man who took pleasure in torment, and involving people who weren't guilty, like using John's family as leverage, and holding them hostage. Milton did snap near the end, but he was fair. He gave people a chance to turn themselves in, and only then, began to execute the gang

What I've always found compelling about Edgar Ross as a villain is that you don't need to shift the perspective that much at all for him to be the hero. Yes, abducting Abigail and Jack to force John's cooperation is wrong, but think about it; how many times have we seen in media where the law enforcer "gets their hands dirty" and has to rough someone up who arguably doesn't deserve it in order to catch the real bad guy? And we all go "Man, that's badass, this guy cares more about getting the job done than about stupid rules!" And it works so well, especially in the first game, as even though he says that he's "the bad guy" for enforcing the rules, he knows that at the end of the day, the people like the rules because the rules keep them safe. Therefore, we're taught and reinforced that those who uphold the rules are the "good guys" in society. Think about how different the experience would be if you played through the first Red Dead as Ross's protege, a young agent in training? He sees the detective work, the tracking down criminals, the use of their own tactics against them. He'd be presented as the classic older, rougher, grizzled veteran of the force showing the new kid what you have to do to get results, we've seen it time and again because it works. And yet, because the story is told from John Marston's point of view, we see Ross for what he really is; a cruelly pragmatic glory seeker who knows how to get results through the ruthless efficiency that makes us hate him. It's such a fascinating subversion of the norm and it's what makes Ross such a compelling character despite having so little screen time in the game.

I think someone can be evil while doing good things, and I think that is what Ross is. A bad and sadistic person, a worse version of the already sadistic and bad Milton, whom does good things, such as stopping active criminals via utlizing John to do so. He is also of the view of Law and Order the show, which I think would frame Ross as ok in what he is doing.

It seems apparent that what Edgar Ross REALLY is, ultimately, is a projection of those conscienceless twits who are on the outside looking in of what they imagine that a given person is or what they will them to be due to the effect they would have upon someone/thing like them. The speech that Ross makes in which he says that without something to step in on behalf of the innocent, life would be a matter of someone with a gun being able to do whatever injustice he willed unto another is NOT something that would just be said for the sake of it, but because it is not only the truth, but a truth only a conscientious person would likely ever arrive at.

I loved the ending of RDR1 where Jack Marston said: "I enjoyed my fishing Mr. Ross." and did a backflip before beating him to death with a fishing rod.

I mean Ross was sorta just doing his job. Spent most of his life chasing the gang. Had his work colleague an probably best friend get killed by someone in the gang.. so I mean he was sorta just doing his job. But he went after John chasing revenge, and what was always said during the game (revenge is a fools game) Ross went after revenge and eventually died because of it… just like jack, he went after revenge and killed ross, and it will probably come back to him in the future an cost him his life too.

Aye Fizhy do you have any idea why John was on a boat head towards Blackwater, since he live near blackwater ?

Milton and ross' hairline is wild💀🙏

People tend to forget that Ross' job was to hunt monsters and use a monster to hunt the rest of the clan. The Van Der Line Gang's reputation was infamous. Why would Ross deal with ex-members of that gang in a human manner?

“Enjoy your fishing, kid…while you still can!” “Enjoy not be riddled with bullets…while you still can.” “…what?” “What?”

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