The Vow: SARAH EDMONDSON talks NXIVM, Allison Mack & More 

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I remember being in College and one of my Professors asked to see me during office hours. She wanted to "mentor" me because she felt she saw a lot of herself in me and wanted me to reach my max potential. So she took me to an ESP class and remember felt pressured to sign up for the 5 day right then and there. They would not let me leave without signing up! I said I had to get my credit card from my car and ran! I dropped her class and avoided her for the rest of my college days. The cult vibes were real!

I hope NXIVM being exposed will help Scientologists realize how these tactics parallel with their “religion.”

Michael is such as perfect interviewer, I’ve noticed in all of them, he’s great at keeping the pace, he lets them talk and switches the subject when needs to, he’s so kind, genuinely interested, and doesn’t push people into becoming uncomfortable. And all of his own comments and stories are totally valid or funny and fair. He’s just so great at it, that I’ll even probably listen to some episodes with people I don’t even know about and get to know them and their story

All of these doc's coming out about Nexium now is so weird for me to watch. Sarah Edmonson was my camp counselor as a kid. She was everyone's favourite counselor. It's just so strange to see her talk about these awful things she was pulled into. I'm so glad she's doing better and was part of the fight to get Keith rainere in jail.

That cooking part with Allyson's friends was a trip.

"A hero is one who heals their own wounds, and then show others how to do the same." -Yung Pueblo Michael, Sarah, and every single guest on this show definitely fits the bill of being heroes.

So many Scientology terms, suppressive people, Therapists are bad, saving humanity, the "tech"... UGH. So sorry she went through this. They took her good intentions and twisted them against her.

He got sentenced to 120 years in prison. And there are people who still support him and believe he is innocent. So crazy

Cults exist. We must educate and protect ourselves. Thank you for this informative podcast.

This was incredibly insightful. And really sad. I really loved Allison Mack as a kid. So sad that her life and all these other people went like that. Glad Sarah and her family got out.

I just finished the series "The Vow" and I can't believe how long Keith Raneire was allowed to navigate in this world. Sarah, Bonnie, Catherine, actually all the women/men that fought to bring this to light are brave beyond measure. Thank you Michael for interviewing such an incredible woman.

There was a special feature on the smallville DVDs about Allison Mack directing a smallville episode "Power," which shows that she was always interested in self help, purpose, and female empowerment, so she was the perfect person to be manipulated by Raniere.

Thanks for having her on your podcast! I think it's so important that this story keeps getting shared so that stuff like this doesn't happen to anyone else. Sarah is so refreshing! She is down to earth and so real about her experiences and her courage and strength is inspiring! Also, seriously, your podcasts are great and the only ones I listen to!

What Michael didn't mention was that Kristen Kreuk was the one who introduced her (Allison) to this group in the first place.

What I get from this is that, just as the people leaving NXVIM are going through a process of coming to terms with reality after leaving the cult, Michael Rossenbaum is also going through his own process of reconciling how this could have happened to his friend Alisson.

Sarah is a brave woman to come on and share her story. This is going to be a powerful episode that we can all learn from. Thank you Rosey for dedicating this episode to such an important topic❤️

Just started watching the vow, I never understood how people can get involved in such crazy situations but the 1st episode provides a lot of clarity.

I’m so proud of everyone that was involved speaking out.

I would find it very hard to trust anything Alison Mack ever says again. It appears to me that Alison Mack was fully aware what she was doing. She made sure the girls in DOS got branded. She wasn't like the ones who were branded and realized they were being abused. Mack was doing the abuse and took the role of master of the slaves. I think she was just as manipulative as Keith Raniere.

I slept on this one last week, and just came back. So glad I did. This may be one of my favourite Inside of You episode.

I have watched The Vow and all of Leah Reminis’ Scientology tv show and her podcast....... Keith definitely followed the same path as Hubbard. Way too many similarities to ignore, from the brainwashing and the terminology Sarah used. Such horrible human beings to do this to such good people! Thank you for sharing ❤️❤️ your journey

I was a huge fan of Alison Mack. If she approached me, I would've done anything for her. The people who are saying the vow people were stupid. Well if the right person approached you, you'll never know what you do...

This was an excellent interview, Michael! I followed Smallville for the whole run and each cast member feels like a high school friend. Finding out Allison was so knee deep in it was shocking. I feel hurt for her and everyone who was affected by Keith ultimately. I’ve been absorbing all informations on this, just looking for answers. This was simply excellent. We can feel that you’re also shook by this, I think we’re all on that boat. Great educational tool to know what to look out for when it comes to cults. Seems like every generation has its prominent one and every generation has to be educated against them.

I live right outside Albany, NY and its weird knowing this shit was going on essentially in my backyard. Especially growing up watching Smallville.

Crazy...I live literally five minutes from the houses where this went down. Rainiere lived across the street from a good friend. I interacted with some of the members- seemed a little weird and “new agey” but no clue what was really going on. It’s so weird watching it on TV! So glad they got out and got help.

This was a very powerful conversation because it touched a good amount of surface of what these cults are. Sarah was so candid about her thoughts and her own process on what she believed in and how a cult like this used her. She truly wanted to do good in the world, which we all do, as well as becoming better within ourselves. It’s scary to think how easy it is to fall into that. This was a major takeaway for all. Well done as always 👍

Loving that she is doing the best interview with whole family by her side

So sad about Alison Mack. I remember really really liking her as a kid growing up. Just a tragedy what this cult did to these men and women

I would never have fallen into it purely because I'm way too cheap to spend even half that kind of money on anything!

Michael thanks for doing this interview there is a lot of us that haven't heard the story

Wow. The loyalists that she mentioned sound like the female members of the Manson family who would stand outside the courthouse and shout about the injustice of Manson's trial. I'm glad she got out of that. Michael, did you ever think about calling your band (or duo I guess) Rosey Dan?

We should never judge a person for their mistakes, we all make them and all of us are deceived by people in one way or another at different times in our lives. It’s just great that she has come out of it and has learned so much from her experience. I’m really happy for her.

I think Sarah is an extraordinary person. I appreciate everything she's doing. She's the kind of friend I would want in life.

Looking forward to seeing how you handled this interview. It’s sure to be different and very interesting. Keep up the great episodes! ❤️

This is a great interview. Michael having a personal connection with Allison Mack really helps to draw you in. Allison Mack did some horrible things and she is going to pay the ultimate price but there is a part of me that can't help thinking that at one time she was a normal innocent woman who got lured by a sexual predator.

Finally a full explanation of how this could happen to ANYONE. Really well done interview!!

I love this episode! You make amazing points. I came here because I watched the series The Vow & Seduced. I remember people trying to get me to go to these seminars back in 2010 . I am so happy you had this on your podcast. If I met Allison, I would have probably bought into it . Thank goodness I was saved from that introduction. Again 🙏 thank you 😊😘

What an amazing interview. I love the fact you didn't jump right into esp/nxivm. I find very interesting how someone grows and changes to become who they are and how they got there.

Don't feel to odd. People who knew Ted Bundy wanted him to run for public office. Because he was so charismatic.

Powerful eye-opening intense episode, glad you were able to have Sarah on to share her story. Thank you for another good one Rosey, appreciate all that you do.

Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game. That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones. And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment. Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.

I had the same reaction as Michael from the first ep then the second lol Like "That actually sounds interesting" to "Holy shit WTF!"

Scarred is such an amazing book. I highly recommend it, especially in audio book form (which Sarah narrates). Thank you for sharing your stories, Sarah. Much love and peace to you and your family ❤

Can’t wait to watch this episode after Clinicals today. It’s definitely going to be an extremely interesting and powerful one! I admire her bravery to share her story ♥️

Michael Rosenbaum is 48 ! Whaaaa... goddamn you aged well. You still look 35 you handsome man you

Congrats on this interview, you did an awesome job.

Wow! It's amazing how open, honest and calm she is about that whole situation. To be able to talk about that in public requires some special kind of strength. Being able to see, after 12 years, what the reality was...wow! I would be crawled up in ball somewhere. This is what I like about this podcast. Honest conversations with real people, not (just) the version of them we (the public) usually see on TV. Kudos!

I really wish they had talked about Nicki Clyne (also an actress) & how she is the one out dancing in front of the prison & married to Allison Mack

This was an intense and insightful interview. Very brave and very candid, really enjoyed it, thank you!

I look forward to every Tuesday because there’s a new episode of IOU but I have been watching The Vow so I’m even more excited for this interview! Love you, Rosey!😘💙

Love that you had Sarah on the podcast. She is incredibly brave to tell us her story.

So happy I am getting to know this side of Sarah we don’t see in the vow thank you rosey this big episode

Bothers me so much the victim shaming of the ex members on social media watching the vow! These people put themselves at risk to expose KR/illegal behavior/get him arrested. FBI really dropped the ball for too long! I'm curious if some were bought too by bronfman money. Can you get Mark Vicente (film maker) And no offense I hope Allison goes to prison for a long time. She was high level, right hand to Satan and enjoyed punishing women. She liked the power. Read Cath's book too.

You should watch Seduced on Starz, they go into it a lot deeper than the vow.

I have enjoyed all of your podcasts since I discovered it a few months back but lately you've been on an absolute tear. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this show, we appreciate you!

Great episode! I like how this one was slightly different in terms of its approach by tackling something that affected a lot of people but still retained the same tone as the rest of your podcasts.

When you find out “Vanguard” was a character from an arcade game Keith used to play with little kids 😬

Thanks Sarah for sharing this with us!

You handled the interview really really well. I just found your Chanel and I subbed for your authentic approach to real life. I honour this interview and pray the best for this family.

Great conversation - thank goodness Sarah had the courage to come forward! It put an end to abuses that could have gone on for years.

Very insightful powerful interview, wow. Thank you Michael and Sarah for this. I always look forward to Tuesdsys now just to finish work come home unwined by listening to this great Podcast. I find myself being able yo relate to come of the guests and you Micheal. Looking forward to next weeks episode. Thank you to everyone that puts this Podcast to life.

Not sure how long your show has been back on video Rosey, but THANK YOU for bringing it back! I like the visual.

Michael, you did a great job in this interview. It's tricky and dark stuff to talk about but you put it in laymen's terms as you like to say and made it really personable. If there's any lesson to be learned from this is to beware of people who can sense your vulnerability because if you run across someone like Keith Raniere, they will always manipulate you to get what they want. Also, ALWAYS listen to your gut. You know yourself better than anyone!

iI love to listen to these podcast on a daily basis. They're so niceeee. I feel like i'm chatting with friends about interesting stuff.

Back in college, they brought in a hypnotist for entertainment. You know the kind of thing where they bring random people up on stage and make them bark etc. I was always very skeptical of that sort of thing. Due to an incident from my childhood. I always had major trust issues. The thought of not having control of myself always terrified me. It's why I never got into drugs or drinking. Anyway, as this guy starts the show he starts talking in that soft calming therapist tone of voice. As he continues random people just start walking up on stage. It was the craziest thing. After about 20 minutes of him talking, I found myself compelled to go up on stage myself. The little voice in the back of my mind went; wtf wake up. Don't allow this guy get into your head and take control over you. If I almost gave in to that, I can see how even a strong willed person could get sucked into a cult like that. Scary that it went on as long as it did. I feel bad for the ones that lost years from their life they will never get back. I hope they are able to find their way back to their real selves against.

So glad I came back for this one!

Things like this make me so glad I’m an introvert…I don’t need to belong to any group…just thinking about being around people like this makes me break out in a rash.

wow this was the interview I was waiting for. Thank you to Sarah for sharing more of her story. The Vow is so good. What a horrific tale of a sociopath!

This seems so much like Scientology. Things are really similar. Leah Remini’s documentary series was one of the most eye opening things to be about cults. Anxious to see the vow!

After watching The Vow , at first I thought these are adult women sleeping with a conman but now see it was more than that. I’m sure when they heard the sentence of 120 years, it gave them some peace and sense of justice knowing he’d be behind bars.

After watching most of "The Vow" after starting this podcast, this woman deserves a medal.

Yo Michael, I just discovered this channel and I gotta say NICE JOB dude! Love the content!

That was one of the best interviews I've seen in years. Well done! Michael I think your questions were asked respectfully and done with tremendous tack. Just an incredible story.

Thank you for keeping all of this in the forefront. People need to know what is happening.

Thank you for doing this podcast. I've been watching The Vow myself and it's scary how they indoctrinated so many people. If i didn't have such a good support system in my family and friends i fear i might have fell for all of it myself. I don't know Alison personally(outside of Smallville) but as a fan, it hurts me to hear how deeply she was involved in this cult. I see so many people online outright condemning her yet keeping holding out hope that she's not beyond redemption. This conversation helped me feel a little better about that, i look forward to when Alison can come on and tell her story.

These long days at these seminars would make one very vulnerable. They're tired, they've been made to listen all day long for hours on end. Tony Robbins, Chances...they all prey on people this way.

Sarah Edmondson expresses herself just like my spirit animal does. Thank you Michael and crew for a fantastic interview. Great editing and levels too.

You're real bold about the subjects you put on your show. I heard at a Smallville Panel that people weren't allowed to ask about NXIVM, but here you are touching that subject.

I know this episode is going to be a powerful one and very interesting. Sarah Edmondson is such a brave woman to be sharing her story and her experiences. Thank you for having her on podcast Rosey. I'm so grateful I get to tune in to this podcast every week. It is the best and so are you. Thank you for all you do ❤️ Happy Tuesday 💙

RU-vid directed me here because I was just listening to something else about the Vow. And I stayed for the whole thing! You're an excellent interviewer who lets people talk. I thought you were very empathetic and real. quick Google search on you shows me you're a fellow Long Islander! No wonder...

So happy and proud you did this episode rosey

Amazing interview!

I didn’t realize she was 25 when she got into it that’s amazing

This was a great podcast. I read Sarah's book and saw that she wanted to help people. She was also a brave and humble person and Nippy sounds like a cool dude. And Michael is awesome and funny as always! Keep it up, Michael!!!

Ordering the book on Amazon. Thanks for another great episode.

I'm so glad Nippy kept loving his wife Sarah and the DOS thing didn't drive a wedge between them! 🌺

One of the best documentaries I've ever watched. My heart goes out to everyone hurt by the perpetrators.

Holy shit this gave chills. Sarah is a goddamn hero and her opening up to you all while holding the baby is an amazing display of maternal power

Awesome interview!!!!!!!!!!

Wow... What a fantastic episode so open and honest a real eye opener, keep up the good work Michael 😍 I love inside of you podcast can't wait to hear more episodes 💙💙💙

20 minz late but I'm here to hear this while I'm working at work lowkey I've been listening to all of your podcasts during work and time goes by fast so thank you for your awesome work 🙂🤘🤘⚙️

Great episode Michael. I've been following this story since word first broke, being a huge Smallville fan I immediately thought of you and how shocking it must be to you. I honestly still can't believe that Alison Mack was one of the ones behind it, it's creepy that she's always seemed constantly sweet in the media prior to all this... Could be one of the most shocking celebrity stories of our time to be honest.

Thanks for the interview, great episode; Sarah is such a strong woman.

It was so brave of her to discuss this. I am so glad that she got out safely.

Wow Michael, the last interview I really enjoyed was Kevin Conroy & I thought that was amazing. Congrats on another awesome interview this time with this powerful story about the Nexium cult. Keep up the good work. Hope you still get some good rest & recharge time in between working on your podcasts though.

**This just out** India Oxenberg Docuseries coming to STARZ. *10/13

Much respect Sarah ❤️ Your strength is an inspiration to so many. Thank you for sharing your story. I know it could not have been easy.

She's a voice actress. When I was seven and obsessed with Barbie, she was in one of those movies. I didn't know it was her until I looked her up. I recognize her voice now.

The real scary part of her story is how it could have happened to anyone, including myself. I'm Glad for her and her husband that they escaped and that they are doing better.