The Way That Star Wars Technology Is Superior To Star Trek 

And they both begin with the word ‘star’

That plus the ICS stats like 200gigaton trubos

Also they're both set in space, with aliens and technology far superior to ours

well said

star trek doesnt have the same impact

The Saurean species (ST:VOY "Distant Origin") could have easily gotten them home in a few hours, but because of their internal politics, they just allowed Voyager to continue on its way.

​@@spaceflight1019sure thing, but on average Star Wars ships are a lot faster (f.e. even the slowest ones (like Mandator I and II Dreadnaughts) would cross the galaxy much faster than 70 years)

@@spaceflight1019 It was very cold of them.

@@ouknow1446 Heck, the Saurean leader wanted to destroy Voyager and imprison the crew until Chakotay talked her out of it.

@@pieselpoloniae Sure enough. Pretty much everywhere in the galaxy was accessible in a relatively short period of time. Warp drive is fast, but the galaxy is so large that it takes a considerable amount of time to get anywhere.

What about Babylon 5? That has THE most realistic sci-fi physics of all. And according to the creator of the show, JMS: "no cute kids or robots".

@@Foebane72 Battlestar Galactica, The Expanse...

@@thelordofbacon4258Babylon 5 came first.

@@Foebane72 The first version of Battlestar Galactica came out in 1978.

@@thelordofbacon4258 He means the 2000s remake.

Absolutely in a war with even numbers of people star wars would have the advantage of travel speed and communications and potentially the Droid. Although I feel like the Corp of engineers may find a way to break them free from programming. Trek would potentially win in the end only because they have free travel as opposed to lanes and not needing agricultural worlds to sustain its population but without even numbers and territory wars Absolutely stomps tng Era trek

Star trek do have superior FTL but not utilized widely..for example Sporehub drive which can take you to anyware in observable universe , slipstream drive and also transwarp drive ....

@heshangunarathna3262 yup that's why I said the tng Era because those technologies didn't exist for the vast majority of major powers transwarp was for the borg and voth. Slipstream wasn't perfect until after the 2400s started and spore drive essentially doesn't exist until the 32nd century now

@@benperez6454 makes you wonder about alternative realities where federation adopts sporehub drive in discovery/ original series era...federation would have a bullshit advantage then..

@heshangunarathna3262 they might they'd probably be able to at least hold off the star wars universe just because star wars has millions of worlds and they have a huge numbers adventure like just an insane level of number but the federation would be able to harass the ever living shit out of the star wars factions and make it just not worth it

They had an issue with genetic engineering and AI that dissuaded them from integrating androids into most society. But as we saw in Picard, they’re employed on Mars.

Exactly, remember “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” From TOS? That was like, hyper-realistic

That was answered in TOS. Humans don't really trust artificial beings, and prefer handling most tasks themselves.

Yes there certainly would have been a demand for that in the TNG society. After all, Tasha Yar proved that Data was... fully functional.

Oh Andrea! Wow! @@jstilish

great minds think alike i just commented: Star Wars: we have an army of space wizzards Star Trek: we have a Q

@@--Braden-- SW: we have Celestials....

They have a *Lifeforce* . That's what gives them AI not their circuitry or programming. In Star Trek the *Force* is absent.

Yup, on the memory wiping. Luke didn't like to reset Artoo's memory because (A) he was an important friend, and (2) Artoo was proficient in tuning Luke's X-wing more to his preferences and abilities, making it perform better than another X-wing, or the same X-wing would perform with another astromech droid. This was despite being an old R2 unit, when more advanced R5's or R7's were available, for example. And Luke was far from the only pilot with a favourite astromech who did this, as there were others like Whistler. _Star Wars_ has a lot of droids in it that we see, from the little MSE (Mouse) droids that squeak and run away from trouble, to much larger battledroids. They all have their programming, as well as their responses, however restricted. _Star Trek_ has the occasional droid and AI, like Nomad and M5, but they tend to be less common. But let's not forget that after _Measure of a Man_ , Data fought for the rights of a race of non-humanoid robots, believing they were just as sentient as he is (forgot their names), and that they also faced similar issues with his daughter, Lal. Then there's the EMH and other photonic beings. _Star Trek Online_ makes it a point that after _ST: Voyager_ , photonic beings became more common, and could serve as bridge officers, or even explore the world and figure out their own lives. Two such are photonic versions of characters from _DISCO_ who were brought back to help deal with issues from that era, Stammets and Michael Burnham. Presumably they're still running around the game world, they just haven't been relevant to the story since. We also saw the Doctor himself in a previous story.

​@BNuts in the 32nd century there's at least one ship in the federation that's entirely photonic, not just the crew but the ship itself. If I remember right it's been stated behind the scenes that no organic serves aboard as it would be dangerous for them when the ship travels FTL.

@@zrbytegmail Silly concept. Holograms exist for the benefit of organics. Otherwise the ship is a mere probe with AI.

@@BNuts The Exo-Comps, which were (like droids) going to be reprogrammed since they were supposed to serve as expendable repair units and the resistance to danger because of self-preservation made the scientist think they were malfunctioning. Aside from "Measure of a Man" or "Author, Author" I can't think of any other episode that dealt with synthetic rights, but there was a similar argument in a Season 2 episode of "The Orville" that related to a similar concept with Kaylons having once been service robots to their creators before they rebelled and viewed all organic beings as "expendable" and following a fight with the Kaylon Mercer argues for Isaac's right as an individual saying; "that would make him a slave" when Halsey suggests placing a control device on Isaac to keep him from turning on the Union

Yes. Yes. Absolutely 👍

Your point on hyperspace is mostly correct. Hyperspace lanes are the preferred means of traversing the SW Galaxy. However, it is still possible to just jump into hyperspace without a route, lane or even sense of direction. In SW Legends, the Chiss actually use young women of their species, who have strong connection to the Force, to quite literally feel their way through hyperspace. And, for the really daring, one could just jump into hyperspace and hope they don’t fly “through a star or bounce too close to a supernova.” Regardless, you are still correct that Star Trek’s warp drive would be preferred by virtue of its safer navigation of the cosmos. I think even the SW Galaxy would lean towards that, given the option.

Maybe on 70 era trek but voyager there is at least two faster ways of travel then that

As far as I understand it, hyperspace lanes are basically long stretches of empty space that have seemingly no obstacles. Some regions have a lot of these stretches of land while others are way more difficult to traverse. Hyperapace is not like subspace in Trek where it is actually a whole other overarching sort of universe. Hyperspace is more like a dimension of normal spacetime. However even Star Trek has something akin to it: Transwarp hubs and the slipstream drive in Voyager.

As others have pointed out there are methods like transwarp or slipstream which match or outpace hyperdrive. We could talk about the silly magic mushroom drive that has zero scientific basis (seriously, even hyperspace travel has more logical thought put into it), but I won't. I also won't subscribe to the silly notion that warp drive remained the pinnacle of FTL engineering as a concept for a thousand years, because that's Star Wars-style stagnation creeping into so-called Trek. I seriously doubt Starfleet wouldn't take all the theoretical and practical data Voyager brought back and not devise a more advanced travel method. Trek doesn't languish in "good enough" territory the way SW seems to when it comes to tech, and Starfleet in particular is renowned for being brilliant at innovation and improvisation. Even as far back as TOS if not for the "adventure of the week" model, it's safe to say that they would have leap-frogged to some ridiculous levels. When it comes armaments and combat, we can dismiss the fanboy wankfest that is Wookiepedia or the even sillier StarDestroyer.net. Even if the weaponry in SW put out that kind of raw firepower, they'd have to be able to hit their target. As early as TOS, Feds and Klingons were shown to maneuver and engage in combat at warp velocities. SW's weapons are with some exceptions line of sight and relatively short-range whereas Trek targeting computers have been able to bull's eye something the size of a phone booth at over 100,000 km, and they can presumably do this while at warp. I don't care how good your gunners are or how big your turbolaser batteries might be, good luck hitting something that's strafing you at superluminal speeds. SW ships would be sitting ducks because they can't fight at FTL speeds and their sublights aren't anywhere close to matching that kind of velocity. They have no concept of combat under those circumstances. Absent them somehow surprising a ship from one of the major powers and capturing it to reverse-engineer the warp drive, they have no chance of countering such an advantage. Sure, if they could map hyperspace routes fast enough then they could instantly jump right on top of a strategic target without warning and destroy it. But mapping routes is not fast and easy by any stretch. There's also no guarantee turbolasers or other weapons are an easy button, either. Kirk's Enterprise was able to tank shots from a Doomsday Machine (an automated craft able to carve and consume planets with an anti-proton beam). That's like superlaser-level destructive potential. Unless shield engineering went down the tubes since the 23rd Century, that would only improve too. And yes, the argument can be made that episode X Y or Z showed the Enterprise, the Defiant, Voyager, etc. lose power after like 2 hits from far less impressive weapons. That's called a contrivance for the sake of plot and narrative. Feats-wise, Trek takes the cake.

Star Wars has the Celestials. It's not like either the Q or Celestials would ever get very involved in the affairs of mortals anyway.

Not a good comparison. Given the age of the universe, it is entirely plausible that there are some alien races/civilizations out there that are far beyond the humans down the evolutionary road. They would be incomprehensible, perhaps even imperceptible to us unless they make the choice to interact. For example, have an average joe from today take a diesel generator with a couple of drums of fuel, TV+DVD player, a couple of walkie-talkies, a car with plenty of gas, several lighters and an AR-15 with 10,000 rounds and time travel back to the world of 2000 BC and he will be viewed as a wizard with incomprehensible magical powers, perhaps even a god of sorts. And despite the intelligence of animals such as primates, dogs, dolphins, pigs, beluga whales possess, the actions as well as the world of humans are also completely incomprehensible to them. That is a more apt comparison of us humans versus advanced alien civilizations out there in the universe, and none of it is fantasy. It's just science on a scale that simply hasn't been conceived at our stage of development. Now "the Force" is an entirely different story. It is *known* to be present in the Star Wars universe for tens of thousands of years by most of the galactic races but no one has ever come close to understanding how it works despite their access to all sorts of technologies. Beyond that, the Force also has nothing to do with the evolutionary path because many different races can produce force users. As a whole, nothing about the history of the Force suggests that it has anything to do with science and the fact that some Star Wars races can be more "Force sensitive" than others suggest that the Force is some sort of supernatural, perhaps even mythological occurrence.

They would erase the sw universe just by blinking, and that's not an over statement!

Bruh chill out, the only one that could do that is the author😂

@@damnskippy77 Highly agree with the first paragraph, highly disagree with the second.

Both Star Wars and Star Trek are space operas tho. That's the core genre regardless of anything else. And to a lesser extent, planetary romances.

​@@VunderGuy Star Wars is space opera, Star Trek is literal space fantasy with space elves (Vulcans, Romulans, etc.) Orcs (Klingons), teleportation, etc.

@@VunderGuy No, Star Treck definitively is not! Star Treck is just normal episodic science fiction.

Take any Star wars ship and compared IT to a Star Trek ship . The Star wars ship will Always Look way more realistic than the trek ships, also IT seems you ignored hundreds of Episodes of Star Trek doing a Lot of fantastical bullshit Out of their Ass. Just because they use scientific words doesnt make it any different from a Wizard spell

Correct, SW isn't Sci-Fi as such, i too would call it a Space Opera, where ST is very much Sci-Fi. Something like Stargate is Sci-Fi, but not as much as ST, and it has more humor in it, or even making fun of itself, not taking itself too seriously etc. But the difference between a Space Opera and a general action series or whatever can be a bit more vague.

I think it’s because in Trek planetary shields aren’t that common, so if there’s a military target on a planet they want to destroy, they’ll just snipe it from space. Though there was that one episode in DS9 where Sisko and Co. had to hold off that Jem Hadar ground assault.

what did you think redshirts are???

@@CJ-442 But what do you do if you wan't to occupy a planet. Are you going to destroy whole cities and continents? The amount of civilian casualties would be mind boggling

@@aluimmumitat "Precision" is a super-important concept in ST.

They show multiple times where they will beam a small strike team directly into or near key locations to damage or disrupt systems. Don't need to have a permanent presence when you can drop in whenever and wherever you want.

not really...i think its just not used all over due to fx budgets in the show and just not needed for the story in general.

Not only anti-gravity but gravity creation like do Interdictor-class Star Destroyers

@@user-fw8ry1tq4y nacelle pylons, iconian dyson spheres, ring worlds as seen in lower decks, hell every space station uses some form of antigravity, then there was that gravity catapault in voyager, at the very least the two are comparable in the manipulation of gravity.

@@tachyon7368 can you explain what point in antigravity on space stations? For habitants walking on celing?

@@user-fw8ry1tq4y i misspoke, the space station one was an example of gravity manipulation rather then antigravity

Yeah, Trekkers like to tout how scientific and realistic their franchise is, but transporters and replicators are really little more than deus ex machina plot devices to be ignored, or rendered inoperable, for convenient reasons as the story demands.

Also Star wars more fantastical aspects are way more removed from the Star wars technology . Star Trek fantastical aspects are in the ships

@@HeatRaver see, the issue with that is technically realistic, radiation is a bitch.

just modify the forward deflector array ! it can do anything!!!

dont forget USS Voyagers cheese allergy

Star Trek made me ethically aware, morally considerate and outwardly diplomatic Star Wars made me a rebel

@@primotef8863 based! Though it was Babylon 5 and Farscape that made _me_ a rebel.

what a great comment! I agree that it has a great moral core :D

@@jaminallen3119 thank you ❤️

you saw the real Star Trek, a moral and guiding story rather than a SciFi piece!

I had a quick look at wookiepidia and they're saying that the star wars universe has had FTL for about four thousand years! so while humans on earth were building pyramaids and such they were travelling faster than light already

Most faster than light travel in Star Trek is effectively A to B travel by warping space. Hyperspace is a whole other dimension of space that a ship dips into and emerge elsewhere. Star Trek also has several versions of that kind of travel, it's just generally not utilized by the Federation. Either due to scarcity of resources required to utilize it or inefficiency for widespread use. Or in the case of "Underspace" and Transwarp Conduits, there are hostile aliens in them so trying to use them would be an act of war.

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju 1) Hyperspace needs a hyperlane mapped out. Warp drive doesn't. You can fight at warp speed in and around your planet. That whole slow speed chase in The Last Jedi doesn't happen. And if you're fighting the Borg, you don't even have the small advantage that you had against the Federation. 2) Who cares? Transporters and Replicators are far more economically relevant than anything in Star Wars. 3) The handful of force capable people left alive aren't changing much of anything. And please don't the let Q drop by for a visit. Your hyperlanes might vanish.

​@@salaciousBastardhyperlanes arent needed for hyper space, they are just safe routes without stars in the way

Though not a fan of the first two seasons of Picard, it did a pretty good job showing why the Federation was hesitant to use androids.

Droids and hyperspace are the only things Star Wars is more advanced on that list, especially as Star Trek evolved. Star Wars ship design is actually one of the worst in science fiction.

@@chaost4544 are we talking about the entire settings or just the "Box art" factions.

@@chaost4544 also while i largely agree with you on star wars ships having obvious design flaws, star trek varies in ship design with some being better while others are much worse compared to star wars.

@@Celtic_Spartan it's not a visual thing. There's a lot of redundant systems within Federation ships and other species in the Trek Universe that make them extremely durable and have a high survivor rate from catastrophic damage compared to Star Wars ship design which easily kills 20-50K people because Star War ships are poorly designed. In real life we install guard railing on steps as a safety feature; which isn't a thing in Imperial design but a thing still in Star Trek. How many people in the Galactic Empire have been killed because there was a lack of basic safety things we take for granted on a daily basis?

@@chaost4544 i was more talking about the fact star trek ships have consoles that start exploding if anything hits there shields.

I would say its faster, but not necessarily better. After all starfleet ships can engage in combat while still at warp.

@@ryanjones2297 yes, but that combat is only capable explicitly because any warp factor is at sub light speed, at FTL combat while in transit is untenable & a waste of energy as any munitions fired will miss the target by the time it reaches the initial coordinates because the sheer velocities involved.

@@cr90captain89 I have no idea the point you are trying to make here. And it sounds all wrong. Starfleet ships can and do engage in combat in warp, which is faster than light, not sub light. But you don't even need warp for this, their sub light engines full impulse speed is 3/4 lightspeed, Or 4 billion km/h. Most star wars ships are stuck in the thousands of Km/h at best. Then the weapon systems on starfleet ships can accurately engage targets hundreds of thousands of Km out, while traveling 4 billion km/h OR at warp. And it isn't a drain to use those weapons at warp either.

@cr90captain89 except that isn't the case because we see several times on screen where two ships engage in combat at warp and hit each other with weapons fire. Then even if you were right a vessel at warp would have no issues doing strafing runs on a sunlight vessel. We see that on screen too

@@ryanjones2297 onscreen battles happen purely for entertainment value, in lore engagements happen at the ranges I've mentioned. nevermind that sw ships can track & target ships through hyperspace while keeping them targeted when they exit, kind of hard to evade fire at warp when the projectiles being fired at you are going the speed of light (turbolasers) strafing runs at warp only work on a target that is also at warp, hence why combat in st happens at low impulse unless A. a chase is initiated & the participants are not making any other movements or B a fleet formation is forced to scatter. a turbolaser cares not for how fast you are, because its projectile is the conventional universal speed limit. going to warp against a sw ship will simply make your ships movement extremely predictable as mobility in other directions will be severely hampered & get warheads on a forehead.

Also in star trek there is AI that's more advanced than Droids.

Hmm do you think using the Force makes it advanced per se? Or does it make it less advanced?

It certainly makes it HIGHLY specialized.@@reubzdubz

@@reubzdubz I would argue it was one of the most advanced pieces of tech. The Force is a built in universal magic system in Star Wars and it is not common for technology to tap into or utilize the force. Typically, tech seen to use the force was either highly experimental or it was instead using Dathomeer Witchcraft (which is just a different way of using the Force). And even then, there isn't a lot of tech that utilized witchcraft. The only piece of technology known to be common (until RoT were lightsabers, which both relied on the force user and the mechanics of their construction. So, yea, having a giant space station able to turn a sun into a cloning machine that was able to replicate armies, armada's, and gear to arm your military and supply them is at the top of the tech tree. Might I also ad there is only ONE Star Forge. Just one. Which really indicates just how difficult it must have been to get the one working, let alone consider mass production.

@@christopherpoet458 not to mention with the star forges force abilities? it had a force powered self repair function meaning it was eternal until it's original form was intentionally destroyed. even in the old republic & modern imperial era it lives on as the rings of lehon, encompassing its creators home world & casting a unseen shadow upon the galaxy.

But Gree and Rakatan technology are not "mainstream" for that universe like how transporters and replicators are ubiquitous for most of Trek's races. Otherwise if we're including one-race technologies of obscure Star Wars races, the same would have to be done for Trek's one-off episode races too.

Agreed. In my book a franchise that starts with alternate dimensions and timelines has already failed.

There is some form of time travel with the "World Between Worlds".

Star trek tech. In very scientifically plausible, Star wars is pure space fluff ,that had redundant plots with weak characters. later

@@sdagonz67 Plausible? Have you lost your mind? The more I look at Trek (despite being a fan) the more I question if it’s sci fi at all. It’s most iconic tech, transporters, are the ultimate in “this is completely impossible”. You’d have to completely rewrite physics to make them work. Replicators are also impossible, at least as depicted, because they’re absolutely insane in terms of inefficiency. Do you have any idea how much energy it would take to materialize something out of pure energy? The artificial gravity is a necessary break from the laws of physics for even impulse engines to work. There’s just so little that is even vaguely plausible that I’m surprised the shows were anyone’s gateway into science. Stepping back and just looking at them from a storytelling perspective, Star Wars pre-Disney (movies 1-6 and the Expanded Universe, now labeled Legends by Disney) is far superior Star Trek (and I say this as a fan of everything up to and including Enterprise for Star Trek; everything after that goes in the same junk pile as the Star Wars sequel trilogy). Physics-breaking or not, the rules of Star Wars are consistent and don’t require anything to break except for whatever caused the initial problem to tell an interesting story. Star Trek has to constantly come up with reasons for why the transporter can’t be used to solve whatever the problem is instantly.

WE ignored filoni bullshit that idiot brought in way more bullshit than anyone else

Yes, Warp Drive is more versatile and easier to use ... but Hyper Drive is thousands of times faster. That said, there are other FTL technologies in Star Trek such as Quantum Slipstream and Transwarp ... they are just not often seen in the shows ... mostly showing up as plot points or enemy tech.

it might be faster but it isn't inherently more advanced than a warp drive

@@shavaughndavidson2257 i was more thinking on a tactical and strategic level. In my opinion the pros and cons of each don’t give ether side a definitive advantage. It would have a bigger impact on a 1v1 fight than on a large scale conflict. These 2 means of FTL support different styles of warfare. And if both sides played to their strengths then they’d actually be pretty balanced.

Old cannon hyperspace was faster by enough that the plot of voyager just wouldn't be a thing. In star wars places aren't hard to get to because they are far away, but because navigation is difficult. New cannon post Ahsoka even stuff like Trans warp may as well be walking. The only thing I can think of in trek that may be faster involved Janeways salamander babies and is best forgotten.

Hyperdrive is not faster. I know people think it is, but it's not. Star Wars has never actually given a known size of its galaxy, and that's a problem. But, they have made it clear that it is possible to travel from one star system to another, without hyperdrive. This fact makes the Star Wars galaxy considerably smaller. At The Falcon can make .5 past light speed, while in hyperspace. And that's considered fast. This would suggest that it goes 1.5 x the speed of light. Star Trek ships travel so much fast than this. Plus, there are subspace corridors and transwarp corridors, that ships can travel through. And though the Federation doesn't have the technology to use these regularly, there are species that do.

This was the answer i was looking for... How a budgetary conditionant was baked in the worldbuilding of this franchise

Battle Star Galactica shows up with rifles

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Trek would have zero or minimal counter to.

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

​@@Mark-in8ju Not sure how that's related to what the guy said lol. The point is that it's not really a competition.

while it might be faster the science to achieve it isn't more advance.......entering an hyperspce tunnel is alot diffrent from making one

@@shavaughndavidson2257 well but they have the tunnels so they were made long time ago..... idk tho

@@selok91 pretty sure they were discovered - made by a long forgotten race....

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju Really, copy pasting the same dumb argument over and over and over? How intelligent.

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Trek would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju Really, copy pasting the same dumb argument over and over and over? How intelligent.

you hit the nail on its head with that. To be honest, this is the only thing I am truly anxious about in regards to real life AI developement. The day people think machines have true feelings because they resemble them via progam, mankind will face a new kind of threat. Imagine UN declared human rights for machines just because they would cry and people would feel compassion for them...

Droids do have a presence in the Force, to the extent that Jedi can get a read on their intent if they focus hard enough, so I'd say they're more than just machines responding to their programming. The real issue is that it takes years of being 'on' for a droid to develop sentience and personality beyond their programming. In regards to their treatment as being slaves or not, well that becomes a function of whether or not the droid in question is being mind wiped regularly to keep it at factory settings, or allowed to develop into a fully sentient AI. If they get mind wiped regularly, they remain a machine. If they don't, they become a person, but most people who refrain from the memory purges will accept the droid's developing personality and treat them more like a friend.

Just a wee point... Bail only has C3P0's memory wiped, not R2's.

Glad you enjoyed it!

What is missing is the omission of religion. The one thing Star Wars has that separates it from Star Trek and impacts its technology. Droids have AI upon assembly because of a *Lifeforce* imbued in them from what Obi Wan Kenobi described. Star Trek has no *Force* in its universe so everything must have a pseudo scientific basis.

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju Really, copy pasting the same dumb argument over and over and over? How intelligent.

@@stubbornspaceman7201 Hypocrite. I also have more likes than you.

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

"The Force is a complete game-changer" unless, like someone mentioned already, they would bring up Q to the battle, then the Force is... useless, beside, Jedi can be killed. with Q is more complicated @@Mark-in8ju

@@sviraz If Adonalsium can be killed, so can a Q.

But creating a static warp bubble is more theoretically plausible than a space lane that is used by space whales.

@bdr32965 hyperspace is more akin to the nether in Minecraft than space superhiways

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Trek would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju Really, copy pasting the same dumb argument over and over and over? How intelligent.

Because otherwise they would become the Cylons and eventually rebel against their creators

@@bdr32965, So far, only _one_ assassin droid rebelled against its owner... Which is why there aren't any more of them. :p

There was also the episode where one Starfleet Officer wanted to dismantle Data so they could build more of him. But that's Star Trek for you, pushing the boundaries of space and technology and confronting the problems that come with it. Meanwhile Star Wars is a galaxy that is more or less very set in it's ways for the last 20 or 30,000 years.

Trek doesn't even need to make sentient robots; none of the regularly-seen races even use robots for mundane tasks, like Roombas. Ruthless races like the Romulans and Cardassians should be using robots as cheap, mass-produceable, expendable weapons at that level of technology they're supposedly at.

No its not. There are a ton of AI and androids in Star Trek.

As a life long trek fan: It's basically the same in Trek. Wars has "Hyper space", Trek has "Sub-space".

Wasn't as good in Star Trek but is rapidly approaching that good. Voyager was stuck on the other side of the galaxy and originally couldn't communicate with Star Fleet, but eventually communication was established.

Subspace Relays are located all across inhabited space, usually ranging in size from large probes to small space stations. Subspace relays are short range and slow compared to the holonet. The Horatio Hornblower inspired world of Star Trek means that communication is supposed to be an impediment and Captains have to make decisions without their higher ups have a say in emergency situations.

​@@3Rayfire All true. Well said, Although the writers in Star Trek have never been afraid to fudge the established lore, be it technology or other, for the sake of the story.

@@IAMtheSpaceNinja Certainly not.

LOL good one, kind of like Loki saying we have a Hulk to Thanos.

SW: we have celestials

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

The Star wars universe IS in space since 25000 years compared to Trek civilizations WHO arent around for a thousands years

Trek weapons are pretty powerful, way more accurate, and have greater range than weapons in Star Wars. The yield of a quantum torpedo is 100 megatons which is twice as big as the largest hydrogen bomb ever built by humanity and torpedoes in the Trek universe go the speed relative to what the ship is traveling at meaning at full impulse a torpedo is going 1/4 the speed of light.

@@chaost4544 The empire has hundreds or thousands of Star destroyers all of which can glass continents in a couple hours ( depending on Legends or Canon or New Canon). Now these ships are way bigger and you're right they're far less accurate first floor projectiles. And that's not including the death star, which unlike almost all the planet killers in Star Trek didn't Glass the planet but vaporized it. Starfleet weapons are also known to miss and I don't know how well they'd be able to handle the fighters of Star wars. They're very different settings and I don't really think the Star wars weapons are better just that they have more destructive capacity.

@@unknowngamer37415 the Federation doesn't exactly glass the planet but other species have shown to make quick work of planets. The Romulans, for example, completely annihilated what they thought was the Founders home world in just a matter of hours using their basic plasma weapons. The Federation also has crazy weapons like the Genesis project in their back pocket. On the contrary, weapons in the Star Trek universe are extremely accurate for even the most basic space going species. A reason why there aren't fighters in the Star Trek universe is because their weapons act as point defense weapons and have a long range. The only fighters we see in the Star Trek universe are almost frigate sized and shielded. Coupled with the idea sensor technology advanced as cloaking technology advanced in that universe, Trek targeting is among some of the best in science fiction.

@@chaost4544 The weapons in Star trek (even the phasers) have faster projectile speed but are not really that accurate. I think in every single series some have shots where the main ship takes evasive maneuvers and that results in avoided phasers. If something the size of Voyager can be missed with a phaser they are going to struggle to hit the fighters. The federation doesn't arm shuttles but that's a choice. For every super weapon in Star Trek they can destroy a planet Star wars has won the could destroy parts of a galaxy. ( Center point station, starkiller base and the star forge) With equal men and equal ship mass I think Star Trek would win in conflict. But that's more to do with transporters sensors and ability to circumvent and avoid direct conflict.

in voyager we can see that it wouldnt take only month but 70+ years on warp 9 to go from gamma to alpha quadrant

That was the first thing i thought when he mentioned technology. The hyper drive is far faster than warp. Good point about the droids though. They're ubiquitous in star wars

The thing is they dont know how to build hyperlanes, they just use those built in the past. They dont actually access the technology for the whole hyperspace thing, just how to use what some ancient precursor built

Star wars takes place on one galaxy far far away as far a i know from the movies they can travel the whole galaxy but just that

@@paulholmpileborg6340 Almost none of that is true. While you are right that the modern hyperdrive is reverse-engineered from the Force-based hyperdrive created by the Rakata, its a fully functional and well understood technology. And how did you come up with the idea that finding new hyperspace routes is impossible and they have to rely on tpre-made routes? There exists a whole branch of hyperspace scouts who map out save and stable routes. It is slow, because you have to make short, blind jumps. Which is extremely dangerous as you could collide with a stellar object or run into a hyperspace anomaly. So you have to move step by step, like you try to move through a full warehouse full of bombs in pitch-black darkness. If you would zoom in a hyperspace route, it would constantly change direction Hyperspace scouting is one of the most dangerous jobs in Star Wars, but also one of the most profitable ones

There on the hollowdeck

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Wars would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju 1. Cytherian Space folding, Coaxial warp, Quantum Slipstream. One is impossible without a "navigator". One they just don't use. One is sorely nerfed so the franchise doesn't have to stop using Warp. Star Trek has multiple answers for hyperdrives and frequently choose not to use them. 2. There IS a weird knee-jerk omission, not abhorrence or fear, of AI or just robots in Star Trek. This also includes the stupid notion that anything smarter than a toaster HAS to achieve human levels of sentient and sapience (See Exo-comps). Not such thing as simple focused AI. Every thing has to go careening to General AI. In the face of how technology actually works, and with NO ACTUAL CANON CAUSE FOR IT, the omission of robots in Star Trek make ZERO sense. There is simply too much that robots could be doing in the setting to make up for any hand waving and the overt lack off people actually doing those things. 3. Space magic. Not Star Trek's forte. Even when they futz with psychic powers, they really don't want to and it shows. Vulcans however would make absolutely incredible Jedi and terrifying Sith. As it is Star Trek really does not do much with space phenomena or their real form of space magic: Hyper-advanced technology and civilizations. "Technology that is sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."

Star Trek doesn't need robots because they have the Borg

Hyperspace is just a network of mapped wormholes or transwarp conduits. Star Wars ships can not actually get anywhere without maped Hyperdrive corridor. I always wiev it like this. If any Star Wars ship found itself in Star Trek universe it is not going anywhere. If Star Trek ship found itself in Star Wars galaxy it can still fly around but very slowly compared to Hyperdrive network.

There's hardly a couple of centuries between the Enterprise D and Zephrame cochrane inventing warp drive so it makes sense that FTL in star wars that's been around millennia would be superior

Not anymore, since the federation invented the Protostardrive and Quantum-Slipstream.

@@NyloElLobo yup, 75000 ly in 10.4 days!!!

Not true. The ships can navigate with sensors and star positions. The Chiss do it frequently in the Unknown Regions in the Thrawn novels. The travel is slower, but it is very possible to navigate without any hyperlanes. It's just more dangerous@@TheRelativy

I did consider including that discussion but decided against it for two main reasons. One, I am not nearly as familiar with the types of travel in Trek that you mentioned as I am with Wars so I knew I wouldn't be able to discuss the two adequately. Two, hyperdrives are limited to using hyperspace lanes and the calculations that go along with them which is a drawback. (Unless you have a chiss skywalker but that is a very rare occurrence.)

@@JacobLunbeck You need an astromech droid for Hyperdrive calculations, in star trek almost all federation ships have a decent Stellar Chartography or Astrometrics Lab so that isn't a problem. However star trek doesn't have the Hyperspace lanes or drives needed. The closest comparison would probably be Transwarp Corridors which are tunnels through subspace weaving throughout the galaxy but only the Borg and Voth have standardised it.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@JacobLunbeck Interesting video. I never thought you’d say Droids. In regards to your Hyperdrive comment in the comments: I’ve always been confused by Star Wars fans who insist that Hyperdrives are limited to Hyperspace Lanes. Regardless of what the books might say, Lucas’s films clearly show Hyperdrives being whenever the characters want, regardless of Hyperspace Lanes. It reminds me of the 90’s when it was common for Star Wars fans to say only a Jedi can ignite their own saber, despite Luke using Anakin’s in ANH and Han using Anakin’s in ESB… and then Lucas coming out with the prequels where anyone can use anyone’s saber. When the books and Lucas’s movies disagree, we kind of have to go with Lucas for “canon”, don’t we? I mean, without Lucas there is no Star Wars.

@@Watcher1134That is interesting that Trek managed to solve their interstellar travel with charts. I don’t know what the charts were like, so bear with me, but since everything in the universe is moving in one direction or another, static charts would have to be replaced pretty regularly for optimal accuracy. But, I might be assuming wrongly; it could be that Trek’s charts automatically refresh and update to keep up with where everything is at.

@@GGBlasterA Scene in Star Trek Generations where Picard and Data are in stellar chartography. Starfleet has some of the best scanning tech (partially because other governments have cloaking devises) so their maps are constantly updated.

The episode 'Brothers' bears out your theory. Data takes over the Enterprise quite easily, and no one can unlock the main computer.

A Lot of pro trekkie Arguments tend to imply that any Star wars civilization wouldnt advanced with contact to a vastly different civilization like the federation, the Same goes the other way around. A Lot of Star wars content revolves around civil wars on a Galactic scale

Theres no point in arguing with warsies dude. Trek is lightyears beyond Wars but many of them cant see that. The only real advantage SW has over trek is FTL speeds... but running away isnt a good option for any encounter.

@@homelessend8557 and hyperdrive really isn’t much of an advantage. If the Empire found itself in the ST Universe, there are no hyperspace lanes. If the Enterprise was in the SW Universe, they can warp away in any direction and use it offensively

While true, hyperdrive isn't very practical in battle where as we see Trek ships often fight in warp and use warp tactically in the middle of battles.

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Trek would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju I could be wrong with this, but I heard in some book or comic that the force only works on creatures and things with midichlorians, and in this story, there was a race from another galaxy who had no midichlorians, and the force couldn't affect them. Wouldn't that mean that force users would be useless against people from Earth?

@@Dewald bingo. The force is a midichlorian based thing. An entity like the Q in the Star Trek universe would have a field day with that because they're multidimensional. If the force has a basis in a biological construct, the Star Trek universe has an objective way to study and come up with a counter to it.

@@Mark-in8ju Really, copy pasting the same dumb argument over and over and over? How intelligent.

he has basically done that a couple times

The Imperial Fleet at its height stood at over 20K Ships. The Federation could only muster around 900 max. Don't underestimate the power of the Star Wars. The Germans had Tiger Tanks, but the sheer number of Russian T34s would overwhelm them.

Ah hah, no. The power scale of star wars is orders of magnitude greater than star trek, as is the industrial output and logistics. There's actually no comparison. The empire roflstomps the Federation like a bug.

No especially in Land warfare Star Trek sucks in space Battle Trek ships dont have saying Power Other than shields , they have a more flexible FTL engines but range Limited

Also the reason Star wars tech seems stagnant IS because a Lot of Star wars content are civil wars

it's a long time ago by human calender, but it also has technology that's evolved over millenia so the comparison of the technology being ancient is only considered so by human standards. in star trek for example, iconian technology is ancient but it is also massively more advanced than anything the current trek timeline has. extrapolating what the SW univers would look like in modern day or star trek future is irrelevant as it could be the entire glaxy has been purged of life, or species fell backwards in technological standards or any number of other situations. also Wars technology doesnt seem to advance much from Old republic era to skywalker era.

Star Wars technology is stagnant. For example, the Republic was around for tens of thousands of years and made basically no major technological progress after all that time. In some areas it’s regressed. It’s doubtful it would look any different. On the other hand, after only a few hundred years, the Federation has incredible technologies like space folding, time travel abilities, etc.

The federation Tech advanced so fast because IT encounters constantly new Things meanwhile the Republic rarely encounters new stuff in These times , Most of Star wars content are civil wars Just bigger. The equilivant IS the federation Maquis conflict but on steroids that IS Most of Star wars content

No he's not. He just doesn't know enough about Star Trek to know about the less famous androids and AIs that are all over the place.

erm data and holographic beings like the voyager doctor

1. Hyperspace is many orders-of-magnitude superior to warp speed. 2. Robots/Al are far more prolific and economically relevant in Star Wars. 3. The Force is a complete game-changer that Star Trek would have zero or minimal counter to.

@@Mark-in8ju Really, copy pasting the same dumb argument over and over and over? How intelligent.