The Wheel of Time Season 2 Review - It sucks 

Quality of a product isn't as important as the advertising, I suppose.

I think it's about the kind of people who are good at climbing hiearchies in large organizations. They tend to focus on surface appearances and less on functionality. It seems like a consistent theme in companies, governments and bureaucracies throughout history. Then eventually things get too fucked up, a company crashes, or a disaster happens, and they have to look around for people who can actually get things done.

Their goal is political and cultural propoganda. Not to make quality content. It's Marxism at work

​@@SilverMont Changing culture is most important to them. It's pure propoganda

​@@justinah7400100% correct. It's all about the social engineering 👍

Might explain a lot!

I did get pretty angry at Egwene in the books for the reasons mentioned, but considering where she ends up and what does, the pain and sacrifice she volunteers for, it becomes very hard to hate her for her actions that ultimately led to her leading in the final battle. And what happens then. I doubt this travesty of a show will ever make it that far, but she's already pretty unlike her book character, despite being one of the stars of the show.

I was thinking the same thing.

True... but not just Amazon... look at The Witcher. It basically has the same woke-turd agenda... Put the gals on pedestals... and dig trenches under the guys. One of the ironies is that this almost always results in DFC's... disgusting female characters... instead of SFC's... "strong" female characters. While it's SF, instead of Fantasy... it's worth noting that LucasFilm went the same route, and Marvel has been going that way, as well.

Yeah I am curious how nonsensical this show must be for non-readers. Like... it's garbage and nonsense to me, but I at least know what SHOULD be happening so I have background context etc

The season finale was off the scale for contradictions and nonsense.

If you think it was a nonsensical mess full of plot holes up to this point just wait until next season which will have literally skipped over an ENTIRE book! it is supposedly going to be covering book 4 while season 2 was pretty much exclusively book 2. The claim made about combining book 2 and 3 for season 2 was a brazen lie as book 3 was completely absent. Condensing material is one thing but In what instant was there ever an attempted adaptation of a book series made that actually skipped an entire book??

@@Dave3Dmanto be fair, I could see them doing book 3 in two episodes. A quick trip to Tear to do the thing Aiel need then off to the waste and a possibly Emond's Field.

His scene with Nynaeve was always a fave

Agreed. A different turning of the wheel doesn't have everyone with the same name born in same place etc. it just means the larger events fit a similar pattern. Plus we know people reincarnate.

Yep, the different turning of the wheel argument is dumb. By that logic you could justify anything. The only way that argument works is if the magic system is the same, the dark one, a variation of ishamael, and the dragon are all the same but all the other characters and plot are different. I always pictured graendal wearing green in public. At her home base, she probably walks around wearing pretty much nothing.

@@joshcowart2446 ironically enough, I picture her the same way lol

It's very distressing!

Not arguing with any other point, but polyamory is not being a slut, and polygamy as in having two partners (not as in being officially married, that's a law thing) falls under the concept of polyamory. It just means having a relationship with more than one person, which fits

They've changed so much it should not even be called TWoT.

The books have plenty of girl power moments, although they are typically earned, which I suppose is the difference. Like that awful Mulan live action where she just sort of had magic powers and didn't need to actually do any work.

Why would anyone want to do that? I would ask, but I've experienced first hand that some people simply enjoy annoying other people or inconveniencing them. I still don't get why, though.

@@SilverMont It's a form of psychological warfare being waged upon us by people who despise us, and it's being done in many different ways. The forms of attack are all very nuanced, and each serves multiple goals within the overall framework of hobbling us in a spiritual sense. If this hadn't been done, you'd have spent the rest of your life with purely good memories of those stories and the attitudes you hold that the characters in those books helped to shape in some way. Now, all of your most recent memories of this story are tainted by confusion, sadness and anger, and you will never experience the pure joy you once felt regarding this story ever again. That is their goal, to destroy us spiritually, to beat us down psychologically, for us to become used to having our favorite things tortured and destroyed before our eyes while we can do nothing except seethe and cope. The more you complain, the more you cry, the more you look to the sky and demand to know why, the happier they become. They are your enemy, but have not declared themselves to be so.

That's EXACTLY what happened. The channel creator must be thick as this exact thing has happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel etc etc

​@@Unsalted667Absolutely spot on mate. How others don't know this I'll never work out. Literally brainless

@@josephsalmonte4995 I think that a lot more people know it than would ever want to admit it. No one wants to believe these things because it means you have to do something about them, and so the human mind conjures endless excuses. Few people are able to reject their own knee-jerk reaction conclusions, and many are heavily invested in the lies of "society".

That's how I felt about Rings of Power haha, I couldn't even bring myself to look at it. Wheel of Time was a little different as I had never actually finished the books - I read all the ones Jordan wrote, when I was a kid, then he unfortunately passed and I never touched them again (not sure if I was even aware Sanderson finished them, until much later) and then after watching S1 I was like "huh I don't remember the books being garbage." So I read 'em all again and finished them this time!

@@SilverMont I'm with you on Rings as well. I watched a couple episodes, gagged, and stopped watching. Not sure Amazon is capable of bringing books w/strong canon to realization. Them temptation to filter them through a "modern" light is too great for them to pass up. I though Sanderson did a great job wrapping up WoT

I can't place whether you love the show or hate it. You seem to be in every comment.

@@ArthurSullivan-cq4uw as long as what I say makes sense, does it matter?

@@ArthurSullivan-cq4uw Bidosessi has generally been pretty critical of the show -- as I've been interpreting it.

Wtf are you talking about? They mentioned embracing saidar/saidin every other bloody page 🤷‍♂️

@@josephsalmonte4995 I'm going to assume that you didn't read what I wrote correctly, and give you another chance to read it again.

Indeed!

I don't understand it either. I think some may be like my husband who doesn't remember specifics from books he has read. They read the books after they were done and went from 1 to 14. They didn't do the rereads right before each new book came out and look up characters on the wiki to remind themselves of who someone was. They are like me and The Magicians. I just didn't remember the books well and loved the TV show. I reread the books after the show and thought the main story did follow the books good enough and besides, I loved the TV show so I didn't care. Some are just so happy to get a show they don't care about the differences. And the dramatic moments look cool. And they want to be surprised.

Pretty much. "We need to make this series more DARK and MATURE with sex scenes and swearing!"

I think he did a decent job, but I listened to them rather than read them, as I figured hearing the same voices would make the transition less jarring. Some characters definitely felt a little different, but by and large I think he emulated the style better than say... Eoin Coifer(sp?) did with Douglas Adams. Which felt more like a parody, the characters all flanderised.

He worked closely with Jordan's wife (his editor) and operated on copious notes left by Jordan for that very reason, so it truly was ghost written by a very faithful Sanderson.

The writers and whatever producers ok'd the writing are all nuts, for sure. Even I could write a better show from scratch, let alone adapting something where most of the hard work is done for you and all you need to do is make it work in a different format. Square in the square hole situation.

That'd be nice

That doesn't surprise me. It's just an awful mush.

oh man dont give 'em ideas

I don't think I've heard of that show

If you mean how they tested for witches in Monty Python and the Holy Grail I 100% agree, that was more well thought out than this trash.

Doubtful, or if he does, it'll be for a completely different reason. I suspect Moiraine won't be leaving the show for half its duration, at least. As it happens, I have a knife that was given to me by a Finn. In that it's a traditional Finnish hunting knife, it's mighty sharp.

If not, how will he lose his eye??

It's insane how they just took a look at the books and went "We can do better than that lmao" and then put out... whatever this tripe is.

She'll transform into a huge wheel and roll around crushing every dude in the world, no doubt.

@@SilverMont 😂

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they killed Rand and declared her the Dragon.

Supposedly they are creating some animated movies for WoT (not the main series, but spin-offs) I'm very curious how they turn out. I hope they don't use that netflix CGI style, which I personally find kinda ugly. One day if I ever get Elon Musk levels of rich, I'mma buy the rights to WoT and get a proper animated version made. I'll also purge amazon's version from the annals of history.

I dunno, I think other than the Aiel war, the last 20-50 years were pretty stable. And look at the Seanchan, they had a huge empire that was stable enough to launch an incredibly large scale invasion. Things aren't perfect, like the blight is getting larger, and obviously the seals of the dark one are weakening, but even Hawkwing is practically ancient history by the start. Geographically and politically, Randland was stable enough

​@@SilverMontStable, yeah, but stagnant at best and in a slow but steady decline at worst, I'd say. Though granted, I should've been more specific that this was mainly the case in the Westlands which is partly why the Seanchan were able to dominate them so much in battle initially. In a lot of places the people have simply been surviving and sitting in their small niches that have been steadily shrinking. There are no grand monuments being built apart from Galldrian wanting to excavate the Choedan Kal, the Jenn Aiel died out and the rest forgot why they were guarding Rhuidean in the first place, the numbers of the Aes Sedai are in decline and apart from some perpetual border skirmishes pretty much all of the current kingdoms have no resources to do anything with their more remote parts which have been completely deserted. The Topless Towers of Cairhien are still not repaired after twenty years, the Blight is swallowing more and more of the Borderlands and so and so on. Whenever the characters trek through the world it's always just so empty and desolate with scattered remains of better days everywhere. My view is that the events of the books are what kickstarts a new era of advancement again after this period of stagnation. There are finally more channelers being found, old weaves are being rediscovered, Rand establishes his school for technological advancement and most importantly, the male channelers are brought back into an active role, finally fulfilling the important theme of the books that men and women need to work together for true greatness.

Yeah that's true, things are declining slowly

Hmm... I was under the impression that being stilled severed the bond, but the exact mechanics of warder bonding are very mysterious haha

​@@SilverMont I understand a stilled Aes Sedai can't feel the bond, because Siuan Sanche didn't suffer the loss of her warder while stilled. However she got hit with it when she was healed. If the bond had been truly 'severed', that shouldn't have happened. As you say though, it's a complex topic.

​@@SilverMontstilling does severe the bond and least in a way that still triggers warder frenzy. After dumai's wells several warders of stilled Aes sedai had to be restrained as to not kill others or themselves even though their Aes sedai where still alive.

Rand's sword is fire in the shape of a sword, yeah, we assume

"It's woke" isn't valid criticism

@@acorns-r-us It is. Jordan had more realized female characters but Rafe said he was going to come at the WOT from a feminization standpoint. What did we get because of Rafe's choice in doing so? Healing tears in s1 ep 8 and Egwene/Nyneave stealing Rands scenes in the gap and a s2 ep 8 dropped plot of Nynaeve which was her book 2 arc and the total change of Egwene's book 2 arc to both no longer need help and to become like her enemy in killing in cold blood which book Egwene never did.

Okay

You can totally come at the WOT from a feminist lense and it also be good. It sounds like Rafe made something bad and then said it was feminist to thwart criticism, or at least redirect it.

@@acorns-r-us To say that the show is 'misandrist', however -- is a very valid criticism.

Hmm... I suppose in a sense, I liked it more than the first, but it's so hard for me to think of anything positive I took away from either.

I wasn't talking about RT, but IMDB, which is owned by amazon.

All ratings sites have been corrupted & are clearly paid to hide awful shite like this show. How do you not know this?

It's virtually as bad, to me.

No no no. I cannot get behind the changes. I am one of the few that was almost ok with season one until the last episode. I thought it followed the books as much as I expected. I didn't like any of the changes though. I would have made different condensing changes. Season two went completely off the rails and even scenes that seemed faithful like Nyneave and the arches learned the wrong lessons. After season two, I decided that season one was worse than I thought. I was trying to be forgiving for it.

I can't understand how, but I'm glad if someone got some enjoyment out of it!

I have to ask since you've read the books... Why do you like season 2? It feels like the male characters never do anything of their own choice. They never really defeat their enemies. They seem to always been manipulated or lead into situations. Rand is looking to learn how to use is powers and thinks he is in full hiding, but later we learn that the whole situation was arranged for him and he's been tracked the whole time. Perrin seems to have not really developed as a character. We see him use powers, but we see no change in his thinking, mentality, goals, or ambitions. It never felt like the guys in the show could be badass. It seemed to only be women(both good and evil) that actually got things done, fought, had amazing fight scenes, and could defeat their enemies as they wished. Back to Rand, it feels like he's done nothing to move the story forward. He just...exists in the show. That sad for what's supposed to be the main character, even in an ensemble show.

HOW can you like this hateful, sexist drivel? My god your standards for quality must be low. Smh

This feels like something one of the show producers would say, but the Rand in this show is not Rand, the Dragon Reborn. How could you possibly care for Rand as a character and not want to vomit while watching this caricature of him?

You don’t have to be subjected to anything. Plenty of other channels which seem to like it.

I don't understand the problem with negativity, as you put it. Elaborate?

So... people can only post and talk about positive view points in your presence. I can tell you like living in an ideological bubble.

Please take your toxic positivity somewhere else. Thank you

Please take this ridiculous view of yours elsewhere, thank you

I'm glad you liked it, even if I hated it haha

.8 out of 10.

I did find that kinda funny, considering it's a fairly big part of the books, Rand and the three girls worrying over that. But now I guess it'll be, "you slept with a forsaken!?" Only I don't think they'll ever bring that up.