It broke my heart watching Carver wrestle with the fact that he wasn’t going to be able to help that kid. That he was going to have to go back tor the group home and there was nothing he could do. Carver’s development was probably one of my favorite progressions of the entire series. He goes from a knucklehead who just wants to bust heads to someone who cares about the work. Like Daniels taught him.
Its like what the principal told prez, they can't personally save every kid because there are so many in bad situations. Carver does feel responsible but the way the system is there is nothing he can do. Its very sad.
@@sumoni that's dumb as hell. Carver feels responsible because he IS responsible. It isn't about saving and Randy wasn't just a kid; he was innocent. His smile and charisma gives it away. Wasn't related to the corner 'til it was over. And Namon is a prime example of how it don't matter. He was fronting acting hard and all. The two are folds to one another. The system stays the same but these individuals can play the game and win.
benjamin vermeylen That’s the whole fucking pie in one sentence, except it is for everyone, not just the kids. The invisible hand that is “the system”. The system fucked over a lot of people just because that’s the way it always was, the way it seems to currently act, and because everyone assumes it to be timeless and carry on forever. Cedric’s quote is probably the most accurate: “you bend to far, you’re already broken”. The system was broken in numerous ways, but enough people elected to ignore it, not give a shit about it, wait for someone else to make changes, or use it to their personal benefit. The game is the game, and all the pieces matter, and all the pieces get swallowed up by it eventually.
I wouldn't. He doesn't manage to adopt Randy, IIRC. He ends up in the group home with Carver stupidly flashing his badge there, making Randy's time there even worse. Instead, Carver is shown to start following the rules - and the unfortunate implication is that it will be to a fault, because the ending suggests things repeat themselves.
@@Aivottaja I think he's a mixture of Daniels/Colvin.As I rewatched like I do every year lol Carver pretty much knew Mcnulty & Freamon had an illegal wire tap and went along with it..I could see Colvin going along with something like that as long as good police work gets done..Before Carver wrote up officer Coliccio,he actually tried to look out for him first that.That's something Daniels would have did..Carver becomes a hybrid of Colvin/Daniels
@@adewilson132ASMR stands for 'Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response' and it refers to a tingling sensation on the scalp, neck, and other areas of the body that some people get when listening to certain audio stimuli.
This scene shows that Daniels is a true believer.. I love the way he goes into his rant about righteousness and Justice... And then he cuts himself off because he knows hes talking to a brick wall... these people are corrupt , soulless bastards.. ex-wife or no
You shoulda included the scene where Carv goes back in to his car after leaving the foster home and starts punching up the steering wheel, that scene is deep.
I never understood why carver didnt start the process to adopt Randy.... "the process can take months, and theres still no guerentee" but a well respected sergeant who is also loved in the community has a really great shot at becoming a foster parent... but he just gives up right away..... i woulda been like "Lets get this ball rollin bitch!!" Lol
5280z007 by that point Randy would of been broken. Randy was going back into the system as a snitch if anything would of told randy to just run away and live with him as a unofficial guardian
I think her character was part of the theme of the show that the system corrupts otherwise decent people. She probably thought she could help a lot of people on the council. Before she got elected she helped Cutty set up his gym so kids had a place to go that wasn't the corner. She also talked about the need to help ex addicts. But when she got into office it was about self preservation instead of doing the right thing.
The look on Daniels' wife's face as he starts ranting about political interference in the police department, when she meanwhile wants to go into politics, shows that however he started, Daniels ended up on the right side and was one of the best supervisors in the department, second only to Colvin probably. Colvin was willing to say fuck the rules because he cared about people in a very old school way, all Daniels wanted to do was run the department logically and effectively, no bullshit, and they wouldn't even let him do that!
Not true... yeah Daniel's ends up on the right side at that point but..that was him being in the wrong place at the wrong time. seemingly as usual. He was always in the wrong place at the wrong time. ALWAYS....if Daniel's was there before.......
Daniels definitely much better police than Bunny! The man decriminalized or even legalized drugs on a whim as well as manipulating numbers just to save his ass!
"Shining up shit and calling it gold' "majors become colonels" "juke the stats" I'm positive all those lines were used before by other characters before Daniels just did now....which is awesome. It's repetition like that which made The Wire so brilliant.
+Aaron David Kapner Used in real life too. Ask the many (rightfully) disgruntled BPD officers and forced to retire Major's and Colonel's and Commissioners, no less than a mountain full of them and many gave the facts for The Wire just to say screw you to whichever political hack did them in. Funny how all the politicians from Baltimore say The Wire is not accurate yet the cops and the people and even the drug dealers say its dead on. O'Malley sure didn't like the portrayal.
It was Prezbelewski in Season 4 one of the episodes towards the end. He says this in the school regarding the MSA exam when they are asked to juke the students points.
I like him because he grew and learned as the seasons went on , the 4th season he knew the whole community everybody knew him he was pressing people out, he loved those kid a lil we need understanding police.. 5th season he didn't want no parts of what the homeless thing
Yeah i like when carver tells collichio that "untill the handcuffs actually fit, he likes to think a change can still occur" that isnt verbatim but along the lines
I think the end shows that the issues are systemic. The one thing that united everybody in the show, is everyone was only looking out for themselves, so issues that effected everyone were allows to grow. We need social fixes to social problems, and that means fostering a sense of shared community and politics, at every level.
I'm not sure it's that simple. Marla might be figuring that, one way or the other, the stats are getting juked, so why not have a good man juke them instead of Rawls or Valcheck or whatever other creature the mayor can find? I'm not saying that's an admirable attitude, but it's not an unreasonable one.
+Ratchet Achenbach Bunk would never sell out a buddy (Mcnulty), Kima did. Kima has good ideals in a fucked up world, like Daniels and she'll get torched later for it .... like Daniels.
+LIBERALGUNSMOKER Watch the last scene with Sydnor (the next McNulty) and the judge, the way he talks about going behind lieutenant Carver's back, it'san obvious Daniels reference
Makes me wonder, though. What if Carver had gone through with the screening process? Get Randy out in three months, it's better than just leaving him there, isn't it?
He probably thought by then it would be too late. Randy lost connection with all friends and family and will face 4 months of hell for being a snitch. You don't just walk away from that ok.
Nah, in the end he still should've tried. I mean yes it was going to be bad, but at the end of the day as long as he knows theres someone looking out for him then he'd be okay. The problem for Randy is that he had no hope, not having any family, but if Carver had let Randy know he was trying, at least he would have had hope.
I never got the impression from this scene that that would be possible, even after waiting. The social worker says "This child can't be in your custody" - I took that to imply that the application would put a foster parent with whichever kids are next on the list.
I see a little bit of both of them in him. Becoming a leader like Daniels, learning about doing some real polic work like Bunny. That's a good combinationt to have.
you clearly did not understand the show lol. she not a snake though. her and daniel essential switched places. daniels was a snake then he learned his lesson now she going to do the same thing because the cycle continues. pay attention nobody really good or bad here
Daniels says in one breath that pretending to do the job, and juking the stats to get careers made is this horrible thing he just won't participate in. Then mentions having info about dirty dealings involving other police and officials, but he is just going to sit on it because people he cares about would get hurt. What is different between those scenarios other than people he cares about being hurt in the second scenario instead of people he doesn't care about in the first? Either way, he's bending.
the people he cares about are only those who actually gave half a fuck about getting the job done. not shining up shit, but actually getting the case closed and perps behind bars. at this point, he'd be alright with the likes of Burrell or Valcheck going behind bars for their tampering, but a guy (asshole) like McNulty, or a guy like Carv to go down for something borderline, given what they'd do to bring in cases? that's something im not sure he, at that point, would be willing to do. He has to show flex in the direction that he feels is most beneficial to the cause and he knows that, hell he aknowledges that to Marla, but he also aknowledges there has to be a limit or everything snaps into an irreparable situation.
@@MustaphaJawara It was the same with McNulty. He could've chosen to just tell everyone the truth after he was basically shackled to a desk (before he decided to quit) and destroy Carcetti and probably a lot of corrupt Cops...but he knew if he did then he'd also ruin his friends like Bunk.
@@MustaphaJawara So the word "perp" is short for "poor person", right? Cuz the people you call "perps" are the poor people who break the law, whereas the other people who break the law, the politicians, aren't included in your perp list? Must be because they have status and money?
They showed it in season 5. When they showed the fates of all the main boys of season 4. He tried to get him now, because the Randy that exists in this moment in time is idealistic, driven, pure, and innocent. He's experienced hope and love, and Carver wanted to continue that. The Randy that exists in season 5 is a lost cause. He's jaded and broken by the system that is the juvenile group home system. He is detached because he knows that the moment he starts to feel any of those things he felt before, they can be instantly taken away from him. When a young man is in that type of mode, he's very hard to reach emotionally, and is at that point waiting until they turn 18 so they can move on from the juvenile foster care system.
Daniels, principled enough to take a stand, but too spineless to actually fight back because "people would get hurt." Okay, so then what? You leave.....and nothing changes. Well, at least he gets to feel clean
It was spineless for Cedric to NOT destroy Marla's career? Or Pearlman's? He absolutely wanted to blow this whole stinking mess into the open, but he wasn't willing to ruin the lives of blameless people to do so. That's not spineless, in my books; it's eminently understandable.
Fun Easter egg in the wire cheese (method man) & randy both had the same last name on the show…must’ve been brothers who were separated & never knew about each other.
I've always found it supremely fucked up how much red tape there is when it comes adoption and agencies and foster homes and such before someone can give a proper home to a child without a family, yet there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone, no matter how unfit they are to be a parent, from creating a new child. Not that such regulations would be "right" or even do a damned thing. My point is that it's been made so difficult to give a home to these kids that the vast majority of people look on adoption as an absolute last resort, and even people for whom it's their first choice have to wade through so much bullshit just to be considered, and might still get turned down. Okay, rant over. lol
This is why we are so f###ed.....when good men and women are not willing to eat a little dirt to do a little good. I admire the morals and values, but is it still moral if we let the evil continue without willing to sacrifice one's "career?"
Though it's not remotely the same task, I understand where Daniels is coming from since I'm not getting in trouble for doing my job. All the man wants to do is fight crime the right way and they won't let him do that.
Carver was so underrated Daniels was so underrated Rawls was so underrated Landsman was so underrated Sydnor was so underrated Cutty was so underrated Watkins was so underrated Brother mouzone was so underrated Dr Frazier was so underrated Elena mcnulty was so underrated Donette was so underrated Mcnulty’ s sons were so underrated The camera that Marlo stole was so underrated The pit sandwich was so underrated Anyone else? I thought I saw a janitor at the courthouse who was also underrated
You've gotta figure she sees a ton of suffering in her job, so I imagine the way she has decided to cope is to emotionally distance herself and just do what she can. Understandable, if not admirable.
Why do they all have to become someone else? Lol they can't just be themselves. There's a few obvious parallels with characters in the wire but you people make sure every character transforms into another one. Poot is the new Eggy Mule. Ziggy is the new Wey Bey. Old Face Andre is the new Fat Face Rick..
So why didn't carver go through the screening process, visit him every so often, and foster him when he could? The show never explains that, but the sgt isn't a quitter, and so he wouldn't have intentionally let randy down.
Carver tried to help, but where does one draw the line? Every person in that system has a hard story, how do justify denying the ones that come after "making an exception? It's not like the woman was trying to hurt anyone, of taking any pleasure in denying his plea.
+mohanid zuhair Nope, watch the final scene with Sydnor and the judge. The way Sydnor is talking about going behind Lieutenant Carver's back, it's a clear Daniels reference.
No that's wrong. That incident tells you about Sydnor not about Carver. Don't you think there were people who went behind Colvin's back too, McNulty himself must have done that when he was under Colvin. Carver is Colvin because of other reasons - read my other comment, if you're interested.
she was better as a junkie in 'the corner'. she comes off as super self centered in the wire & despite the show writers best efforts by having her be kind & affectionate occasionally, her pushes for cedric to be 'all he can be', are as rooted in her own career as his, more so in hers. think of an ex wife coming to you, asking you to tank your career to save hers, imagine having the balls to ask that of your ex
Go to two scenes: 1) when Carcetti toured the eastside police district, and 2) when Daniels talked to Carver after he snitched to the deputy opps about the Barksdale raid. 1st scene, the east side cops let Carcetti know that they were "hungry," meaning they steal from the dealers they arrest. 2nd scene, Daniels explained to Carver that officers will follow the lead of their higher ranking officers, and he one he reported to was a piece of shit. Daniels got caught stealing, and most likely, that piece of shit superior may have been Chief Burrell. After all, Burrell had been blackmailing Daniels the entire series.
it's only hinted at. but daniels worked drug enforcement in the eastern and was found to have more liquid assets than his pay allowed for only allegations....no hard evidence
This shit about who becaome who has to stop. It is reaching the "this is when walter becomes heisenberg" status. The only charachter that you can really say is the same, is omar and michael. Most of the rest is just a stretch. Carver is a really different person from Daniels, not just because they both are career policemen with good intentions, it means one becomes the other.
+Alpha Delta it was kind of the point of the wire. it was showing how all of the city's problems were cyclical, and how nothing was ever really addressed or solved.
