I remember first time i saw this, i was just blown away by Randy going "You don't need to feel bad, you tried". I mean, he's going into a group home, and he knows that word probably spread about him snitching, so he's gonna get beat up by everyone. Repeatedly. And despite that, he has enough strength of character to imagine how Carver is feeling, and try to make him feel better. That was just amazing
Boddie in a sense commited suicide. The scene gave me the impression he knew he was fighting a neverending and losing battle, and he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.
I don't agree about the neverending battle and the reference to suicide. Bodie Brodus was just HARD. He wasn't running from NOBODY. He never ran during the whole series...not surprised he didn't run when the shit really hit the fan with Snoop and Chris. Plenty of dudes like that on the streets...not running from anybody.
Yea he was a dumbass hotshot season one thinking he’s better than the people on the streets. Now he realizes they’re real people with tremendous struggles around them.
Absolutely I've been saying that for years no but you know you're the first one I've seen say it other than me I think that yeah Carver and Bodie has the best character development. Bode was an annoying little ass when he was in the pit and he got you know he really got yeah his character developed incredibly. Plus if you take it even further the guy who played Carver was literally a joke in this series eyes and so is Kenny Wangler you know who was Bode he would he was just awful in that and you look at them boy they really upped their acting game. But yeah I think Carver was the biggest Improvement I mean he doesn't up a colonel at the end doesn't he
@@interpol007 That was sad. But he was just following orders. As much as I feel bad for Wallace. D tried to save him. Told him to not come back. Wallace didn't listen.
lifestraight it makes sense cause Omar's main reason for robbing drug dealers was everyday citizens we're innocent and Michael aversion to the game came when they killed Junebug entire family based on a damn rumor but wouldn't go after Omar when everyone knew was called a punk. It was about preying on the weak and Michael didn't want to do that just like Omar. he was also sexually abused by his stepfather which is likely to lead to him being gay or bi in the future.
Randy had a choice word who he hanged around and he never had to deal with this if he just took the punishment from msdonelly and not snitch he had no reason to
"You ain't puttin me up in one of them empty ass houses, neither." Bodie's last words. He knew he was going to die there and then. But he went out on his terms. Dying on the corner he fought for. His look to Poot as if to say "Nah. This is my stand. This is how I gotta go." He knew he was dead. No running. Just standing strong. A true soldier.
I think Randy still has a shot at life. Goddamn what I wouldn’t give for another season of The Wire to see where each of the 4 kids are a decade later.
I thought the part where the kid was getting the shit beaten out of him a bit more sad than the aftermath of adults responding to it ... you didn't? hmm..
Its not that deep.??? People really are horrible. I understand looking out for yourself, but show some care for others less fortunate or in a bad spot. Yes it’s a tv show but this show is imitation of city life.
Great scene. Goes back to D explaining chess to Bodie. Bodie's a pawn so he attacks diagonally vs the two Bishops (Snoop & Chris) who approach diagonally. D never taught Bodie about knights, so he's defenceless against O-Dog moving forward out of the alley and to the side to shoot him in the brain
No remember bodie was an orphan his mom was on drugs and died along with his sister and his older brother. And resulting in him becoming a ganster and drug dealer but with a good heart . But we won't every see randy character evolution
***** So is any other kid in that situation. It highlights how much he's changed from being sweet and innocent to acting as though he hates the police (probably to get as far being known as a 'snitch'), rather than him being the new Bodie. I really don't think the creators intended that to be the case either, they're nothing alike.
Carver really tried. One of the hardest scenes to watch in the entire series. Second only to Kima visiting Bubs in the psychiatric hospital. Damn powerful scenes.
I always imagined Randy would become more like his Uncle Prop Joe, or maybe Stringer Bell or Slim Charles, because he was good at negotiating himself out of bad situations and had a a great business mind. I always thought Bodie was more suited to be a Shooter/muscle than a Hustler/business man and playing the wrong role in the streets was part of his demise
If I got this right, all four kids were younger versions of the older cast Michael - Omar Dukie - Bubbles Randy - Bodie (Though that one is kinda stretchin' it) Namond - D'Angelo albeit with a much happier ending
+Nicholas Villar I agree on the first 3, but I think that Namond represents one of the few who are able to get out of that life, that black hole of an environment that the others couldnt
+Nicholas Villar I think Namond could turn into a Senator Clay Davis-type figure for some reason lol. Even the subtle reference to 'I'll take any motherfucker's money if they're giving it away' which they both said in Season 4 in the same episode, I think. Also, seeing Namond do that speech on HIV/AIDS in Season 5, he can talk that talk like Clay lol.
Exactly!!!! He was like prop joe, cheese n Marlo wit his thirst for the bag..... and he was personable and had an innocence like joe, however when he landed in the system( anyone whose ever been in the hood then the system understands) that’s what morphed him into a sociopath like Marlo..... when he wears the crown, nobody will be smart enough or ruthless enough to take it. Mcnulty n the task force gone have to take randy down!!!
@@tymegabucks9210 these comments are fucking stupid lol,it's clear Michael becomes the next omar robbing dope dealers and dukie is the new bubbles,mike will never be like Avon,and randy will never be like stringer lol
I just wish season 5 was more about the 4 boys (Randy, Michael, Naymond and Dukie) and their struggles of life instead of the politics. I would've loved to see more of Randy and Naymonds story, and also Michael and Dukie. Season 5 should've played out better than it did, because season 4 was seriously my favorite season it caught the attention of a younger audience.
Season 4 was already depressing enough. I really didn't like season 4 compared to the other ones, because there's so much bad crap that is never fixed.
+thatXxFRESHxXguy in every season was depressing especially 2&5, I just think I personally related to season 4 the most, and it caught my attention like 1&3 did. But I see your point
+Ashley Staton Every season was focused on a different part of the "game". It's genius. I'm glad it didn't turn out to be a soap opera like what you describe there.
+FreshTillDeath56 Season 4 shows all the ugly side of their world that we don't wanna see but need to; Politics, The Election, The School System, and Marlo's cold hearted group and rules. Even if its not my favorite I respect it for that.
No, it was O-Dog. Earlier in the episode, Marlo tells Chris to put Michael on the job to kill Bodie. But Chris tells him that Michael knew body because he was slinging for him so Michael's first kill should be somebody he doesn't know.
Bodie was killed just like a pawn on a chess board. He wasn’t killed like a regular pawn, he was killed by a “knight” in an L-shaped movement. Michael came down the steps, and walked 3 squares left to kill him. Bodie was a strong pawn, but he was cornered and his soldiers ran. RIP one of the best pawns in the game.
Watching this series as a grown man now, it was probably one of the only times i felt sorry for a police officer. Carver really tried to help Randy and even he knew Randy was done for. One of the reason why I love this show! Expresses real emotions
As a teacher who taught in alternative schools, I can relate to Carver's reaction in the car at the end. Nothing like feeling you tried everything to save a kid and feeling like you failed when none of it was your responsibility to fix in the first place. You keep going just thinking next time you wont fail....
Here has it stands Randy is the new prop joe,Dookie is bubbles,Namond goes into law,Michael is Omar,it would be fantastic to would see what happened to them.
Randy was trying to ease Carter's mind, which was really a decent thing to do. They both knew Randy was fucked and Carter is going to live with that. Little man just wanted to sell candy but the streets wouldn't let him.
If I was Carver I'd be visiting Randy everyday. Make sure he see's a friendly face, let him know he's not alone. That way he doesn't become cold like he is later on. UPDATE 2021 - My girlfriend is watching the show for the first time. Gotta point out that the final downfall of Randy is Carver's fault. When Carver let Herc talk to Randy, that's when the spiral really happens. Herc pulls in Little Kevin, damn near tells Kevin it was Randy, Kevin then relates that news to Marlo and there you go.
He didn't have time for that. And there will most certainly be more Randys, and Dukies and Michaels and Namonds. You can't save them all. You may not even be able to save yourself. That's a big part of what The Wire is about: the futility of dreams in the face of reality (remember Stringer's dream for him and Avon [B&B Enterprises]?). You do the best you can, you try to rise above your fate (what the Greeks wrote tragedies about), but life's going to hand you mostly Ls. You have to know that.
He didn't have the same resources as Colvin. Also, I believe Colvin had his own kid who was grown and out of the house. He and the wife were headed for retirement anyway. Carver's setup is not the same as Colvin's.
Randy becomes Prop Joe or Stringer Bell. **Just notice how every scene he's in he's gettin money or hustling. From buying candy to whole sale off the internet, to being the lookout, and even turning the hand out from marlo into a hand up in the candy business. Thats some stringer bell/ prop joe type shit with bodie's attitude. Trust me what ever Randy is it envolves BREAD believe that!!! 100
I think that Randy life would most parallel his father Cheese’s. Perhaps Cheese was decent as child? He was also a rat as he gave up Prop Joe. Randy would probably father kid and never be part of his life. This is a cyclical theme of the show.
I love all the seasons of The wire every season just kept getting better and better it's time for them to bring the wire back for season 6 enough time has passed come on Peter Simon
Bodie always gave me the impression that he ALWAYS had something to prove despite not having much in life. Randy is now forced to prove he's not a snitch; we see Randy "learned his lesson" to keep his mouth shut when Bunk visits him in the group home. Even his attitude is different towards the end
Season 4 is one of the saddest seasons in tv history . Almost cried multiple times. Kinda wish we got an adult version of what happened to the kids yrs later . Namond,Randy,Michael,Dukie. I know they’ll probably end up like all the other caricatures from the show because almost all the outcomes were shown . But Seems like they could’ve atleast got 1 season of them as adults considering how popular and acclaimed the show was.
I feel like Randy is the new Marlo more than anything since they're calling him a snitch and he will do anything to protect his name when he gets older.
Of all the people who wronged Randy in his life, none is worse than Cheese. He abandoned his son, and out Randy in these circumstances. He got his just deserts in the end though.
Michael = Omar & Dukie = Bubbles are the clearest metaphors but the others are open for interpretation. We see so many adult characters in the show that it’s fair to draw similarities to a lot of them. Randy is so tragic as he had the clearest potential to get out and be something good (intelligent, kind, humane etc) but an unlucky set of circumstances led him to being tied in to the game forever. Whereas Namond was basically the opposite. He was a bit of a delinquent and initially didn’t seem to care about anything but himself and was a spoilt brat but a lucky set of circumstances saw him get lifted out of it. Randy probably deserved the lucky break more, especially as Namond only met Colvin through being a little shit and getting sent to the other classroom. Randy’s stuck in the game and we can all guess whether he becomes Stringer/Prop Joe or Wallace/Bodie. In any case, none of them have a happy end. Namond gets lifted out of it but we know that there are plenty of characters outside the game that aren’t exactly good guys. So he could become a Colvin or he could go the other way and become Clay Davis. Seems more likely that he’ll be a Clay as he’s always had things handed to him with no work by Delonda and then by Colvin (despite it being a great thing that Colvin did). Randy makes me the saddest though because every character you draw comparisons to ends up getting killed even though they could have achieved anything they wanted
Namond reminds me more of Wallace since they both were too soft for be running the streets. Only difference is Namond was saved, Wallace died and but he could've lived if he stayed with his Grandma
The way you see Namond doing debate and public speaking makes me think he's destined to be Clay Davis. He's never going to face consequences until it's something he can't get out of (state/fed charges).
There's another scene in the group home where Randy is wearing clothes similar to what Bodie wears alot throughout The Wire, a Wifebeater shirt with jeans and timberland boots
They would have come after him again. And again and again until he was dead. The next time it might have been 5 dudes hopping out of an SUV and dragging him into a vacant where no one would ever know what happened to him. Nah he went out on his terms. Fighting. He knew he was a deadman. Look at the way he shakes off Poot. This is his last stand and he knows it. He's dead either way and he'd rather someone knew and his grandma could give him a funeral.
@@kamiioo3289 that's probably true actually - he's too cold-blooded, which somewhat suggests he hasn't been nurtured as a child. The same with Snoop and Chris - and they could have gravitated towards each other as a result
Marlo and randy have a lot im common if you watch the show the writers was throwing shout out comparisons to marlo and randy all day long that scene with lil kevin after gettin approached by herc was just no hip saying with little/big kevin they flip it thing nah they implying really hard that marlo and randy got alot in common shit marlo told on omar about the robbery that chris did shit he created that plan on his own to tell him that omar gone stick up his store and shit
He popped up in an episode where Bunk needed help, but he refused to help him and he became a hard ass. Even pushed a lil kid on the stairs in the group home. Look up the video "Bunk visits Randy"
If the previous characters are anything to go by he either became a gangster like his father (Cheese) or that 'rat' rumour followed him around until someone popped him for it. Such a shame, like the rest of the kids he showed so much potential only to be chewed up by the system.
think of it from a metaphorical point of view. The kids represented the game rebuilding itself from politics to the street. Michael becomes a stickup artist, Namond focuses on school (more than likely becomes a politician) duquans a druggie, kenard becomes a hitman (Chris, Weebay, etc), and Randy realizes that theres no way out and adapts to the environment (like bodie) . The show depicts the game as being unavoidable so you either make things better (Mike and Namond) or adapt Randy and Duquan.
Wish they would’ve gave bodies character the opportunity to go for the crown having his own plug and crew and die trying. Kept him as a pawn the whole series. Great character either way.
ya know of all the deaths on the wire. sobotka, brandon, delivery lady, security guard, Bodies death was the most OH NO FUCKKK death , in an Instant he got caught slippin tryna keep his corner to ... (roll credits like sopranos) lol.
the entire show made you think, made you sad made you wanna do something to change the unchangable world. Nowadays, they don't make show like this anymore
Wallace's death, Bodie's death, seeing how Randy looked when we first saw him the season after the grouphome niggas stole his money and jumped him, everything that happened to Dukie and when when Chris said goodbye to his family. Those are the hardest scenes in the whole series.
Marlo is out of the game, and slim charles has the connect as seen in the last episode and avon only has a couple of years left. Slim charles is dead loyal to Avon and as shown throughout the series never aspired for "the crown", he is a placeholder for avon. When Avon gets out everything is lined up for him
Remember when Mike said his first kill shouldn't be someone he knew ? That is why because it would have made him hesitant like Bodie with Wallace. Bodie defended "the Pit", defended and his corner more than a couple of times, with bats and guns. He even spoke out in meetings with Avon about protecting their territory and reputation even at the cost of their lives. He followed orders and played his position even when he didn't want to , that is what a soldier does.
not sure why they didn't convey that more with a closer shot in this scene. i think that's kind of important that bodie, a dude who we came to like in the series, was just a lesson for some stanfield kid. bodie is essentially (albeit more admirable) that unnamed person we see used as michael's first kill in this scene.
This isn't MIchaels kill... this is the other young boy, the one with the crutches in the final episodes that was going to take the gun charge for snoop and Chris Partlow. They were going to unleash michael on this one, but then Chris says to Marlo something on the lines of " it's best not to let his first be someone he knows"
Was this confirmed? I know they had the same last name but they never brought it up in the show. Plus cheese was like 6 “3” and Randy was the shortest in his age group.
If you’ve ever done any sort of service in low income communities and built relationships with people while trying to get them right then you know how real this scene is. And you feel helpless and it seems impossible… Cause the system is MOVING, and got all these people saying just goto school or work harder and they literally have no idea what peoples lives are like and it pisses me off
I love the progression we see with Carver. He went from that huge fuck up in seasons 1 and 2 to actually trying and caring for someone from the street.
Randy definitely becomes the new Marlo. Marlo has no family that we know of. Marlo is very cold hearted which leads me to believe something similar to what Randy goes through Marlo went through. Marlo smart and very calculated and trust no one. Randy becomes the new Marlo. Marlo has no pass and Randy pass will soon be nonexistent.
They was a reference that Marlo had killed a family member with a baseball bat as a juvenile and that his action was concerning attempted child abuse towards him.child abuse
Namond is not D'angelo, look at the scene where bunk confronts omar, and tells him he always wanted to be the bad kid hanging round gangsters until he knew it wasnt for him, and the kids at the party sayed "what you doing here" to bunk when he was young.. Namond is Bunk
