The Worlds Revolving [Deltarune/Undertale] 

Say it with me: TIME SHENANIGANS

So is it reasonable to say Deltarune, in relation to Undertale, is years in the past, yet centuries in the future?

To be perfecly honest, I initially referred my genocide run as a "Caliborn run".

jesus christ the parellels between the cherubs and chara/gaster are crazy

Your framing of Chara and the player as equal in their desire to 'consume' Gaster blew my mind. If you're right... damn... I've been played like a fiddle. Also, the editing really helped solidify the connections between Deltarune, Undertale, and Homestuck. Thanks Joyfuldreams.

One important thing to note is that the creators of Homestuck and Undertale, Andrew Hussie and Toby Fox, lived together during the creation of both works. Not only is it plausible that their stories influenced each other, it would be downright odd if they didn't. Deltarune part one already had more Homestuck references than all of Undertale so for all we know John, "I am not a homosexual," Egbert might just show up and say high.

I miss homestuck

So, basically, Undertale is the Beta Session and Deltarune is the Alpha?

you're so, so homestuck but it's 2019, this makes me unexplainably happy

06:40 The warrior in deltarune having "false beliefs and violent" hmm sounds like a certain purple troll

I just had a thought... What if we don't see the changes in Lancer, like becoming more of a bad guy, but what if we see the changes in Ralsei? Ralsei slowly yearning for power, slowly realising that Heroes are people who conquer worlds or something? He seems to be the one who is more likely to stay with the Fun Gang throughout the whole game. Besides, he's said to be the "Prince Of Darkness". And going with your theory with Noelle, she could become the real third hero in the end, taking Ralsei's place? idk, but seeing how Ralsei is kind of the opposite of Flowey, I could see Ralsei's story to end up being the opposite of him. Like how Flowey was a bad guy who became the hero in the end, while Ralsei was a good guy who became the villain? I mean, Lancer did once say that he and Ralsei could swap roles (Ralsei becomes a bad guy, while Lancer becomes a good guy) and when Lancer said that to Ralsei and Kris "Are you sure you're not a bad guy?", or around the lines of that, Ralsei said "No, but I guess we have a knack for it"

What if, instead of that one Earthbound/Mother theory [that shan't be recalled ever again-hopefully] that has that time machine-thing, under the sheets is a CHERUB PORTAL? {Obviously not but I had to make the reference.}

So it's kind of like how Post-Scratch Universe interacts with the Pre-Scratch Universe, right?

I wonder if Deltarune is pre or post scratch Undertale. ;)

Combine the theory of gaster and corrupted Chara being the dead calliope and Lord English of the deltarune/undertale multiverse and matpat's theory on how gaster is the self insert of toby fox, and the theory on how dead calliope is also a self insert for Andrew hussie in Homestuck detailed in the class master post on the medium u made, parts of this theory are becoming more pluasable and the clearer Homestuck references and parallels are

I wonder if Deltarune’s second part will be a thirty minute cutscene.

14:00 Alphys actually mentions that there are alternate realities/parallel universes in Undertale.

Everytime I see Gaster and Chara together I just am reminded of a dream I once had of me forcing Gaster (in a pink dress) to join my tea party with a tied-up Chara being subdued by chocolate.

Sounds like a prospitian conspiracy. Are you sure you don't have an agenda here, lightner?

0:13 "epiplepsy warning"

Interesting things to consider 1.Alphys confirms the existence of a multiverse in the context of Undertale during Mettaton's quiz.Since delta rune is Toby,s another game,then it's accurate to conclude that delta rune is part of those universes 2.Toby said at least twice to complete any ending of Undertale before starting the delta rune. but why it's necessary if those two are alternate universes ?Well,the only possibility is that it's a kinda "sequel"of Undertale: the events that happens in delta rune happens one day after Undertales events(yeah Frisk's journey lasts one day in Undertale).After completing any Undertale's ending, we the player move on to delta rune's world. 3.Combine this with the fact that we can tell" great to see you again"to Sans and ask Undyne about her relationship with Alphys, then that becomes pretty clear that there's a relation with Undertale

While a pretty solid video, only Sans would be unknown to Kris in Delta Rune. Undyne is a police officer in their town, and Alphys is their teacher.

WHEN YOU MADE THE HOMESTUCK PARALLELS I GOT TINGLES ON MY BACK HUUUHUHUH

Despite everyone’s differing opinions, somewhere in paradox space, this is all factual. 14:00 also THANK YOU for saying this.

For me it seen like the whole thing of "you need to create the villain(chara) to every one exit"that we see on homestuck and the "pre scratch" world is deltarune and "pro-scratch" is undertale.That would explain Sans an Papyrus "running" from the scratch to not be erased.

You didnt really directly say it but watching this made me feel as though each subsequent episode of deltarune will have you and susie run through the same exact events as ch.1 in the dark world(in "groundhog day" fashion), with each time the world getting progressively "darker", edgier and with characters becoming more "flanderized" until something happens to break the loop.

Deltarune and Undertale are causing each other, that's paradox space, babes!!!

Very obvious joke: *I CAN DO ANYTHING*

That comment about Noelle was remarkably prescient. Good job.

oD you coward tell the normies that universes are frogs. Tell them. See if they believe that's not only canon but vital to the plot. Anyway, I don't know about a lot of the details you're using as part of your logic here, but your central argument is compelling. The idea that there are two universes that influence each other, humans-and-trolls-style, and that the end goal of whatever is going on with Kris is ""Chara"" wanting to sink their teeth into more story-meat and consume it, makes sense to me. But let me just spew some Chara thoughts of my own since this is my comment. As I mentioned in a different thread, there are really two "Charas" in Undertale: Asriel's dead adopted sibling in the backstory, and the extension of the player's will into the world who either relinquishes control over to Frisk, the living in-universe kid, or becomes the demon puppeteering their body into destroying the world. The latter is a different being because it is influenced by the player's will and desire: it only becomes a demon if and when the player wills it, and otherwise this "Chara" fades away into memory, only to live on within us and reemerge when we play Call of Duty or something. Now, consider Kris's situation in Deltarune. They are Asriel's sibling, and to all appearances an entirely normal human kid in an unusual situation with a great deal of emotional difficulties that are touched on and not fully explored so far...pretty much the same as the Chara of Undertale's backstory, right down to the morbid sense of humor. Then we, the players, are shown as a distinct entity who takes control away from Kris, although *our* choices don't matter either, as the game so far concludes the same way regardless of our choices, barring a few details. Kris's will is suppressed by ours, but we don't have much of a will ourselves. Then at the very end, we see Kris physically and violently reject the representation of *our* will (the red SOUL) and only then take on the distinctive physical affect of the Demon Chara. I have...no idea what this means, but I do think it's significant that the Demon Chara's will was one with our own until (optionally) the last five seconds of the Genocide route, and then they took over control of our "SOUL" if we ever wanted to replay the game. And meanwhile, when the Demon appears to show up in Deltarune, they start off by throwing our ability to control our "vessel" away first thing. It's interesting. Very, very interesting.

I feel like chara is probably a hope player gone wrong, they didnt mean for everything to go awry but because of their accidental actions, hope was destroyed, so i think theyre probably a bard. Alternatively i think frisk is an heir of hope, since they embody hope for the underground, either as a sacrifice, a saviour, or as the vessel for hope to act through them, saving the underground by bringing asriel back to his senses to destroy the veil together. Asriel then would make sense to be an heir of time, given that he embodies the end of the game, the completion of the game’s pacifist route is impossible without asriel to be there to end the game, asriel embodies the end of both routes, seeing as hes always guiding frisk, and was the reason the story began entirely. So, anyone else think this makes sense?

The “Susie creates undertale” thing is especially homestuck-y because Chara (who I don’t personally think is a villain but still) is from undertale, and what’s more homestuck than eventually creating the home universe of a villain who’s always been hunting you

I have to agree with most, except that Chara truly sees the people as playthings and strifes for power. Chara is a hurt child that watched the play/Frisk, kill everyone Chara loved, only interfering at the end, and only killing Asriel in that gruesome way after the player made the first strike. I think Chara just wants to make the player take responsibility for their actions more than anything else. So, I can't fully agree on that. Chara probably also only sees themselves as a demon because humans have taken everything from them, so they don't want to be that but also can't call themselves a monster because they feel like they aren't worthy, still guilting themselves for the death of their "brother" Asriel.

I think I would personally disagree with characterizing Chara as “evil” and a “demon”, but besides that, great video!

I still think DR Chara is at least related to UT Chara. I believe this because of the one thing Chara (In the genocide route) is known for is the Knife, which we see Kris manifest once possessed by Chara. I also want to note that Chara in UT is determined by a player's LOVE. She acts as the narrarator in UT's battles, in Genocide, Neutral, or Pacifist. She's not bad until you (the player) make her bad. It's not a Sequel or a Prequel, it's another world. But your sins tend to latch onto your back, eh?

If Chara's true aim is to find and kill Gaster, just like Caliborn wanted to kill Calliope, then we also need one of the main characters to stop them through time and space. We need a Vriska. I guess Susie or Sans is going to be deltarune's spiderbitch :::;)

Fun fact: one of the tracks for Homestuck (it's in album five) seems to serve as a prototype of the musical track used in DR chapter 1 when Ralsei is relating "The Legend". The track in question? "Lotus Land Story". And the track was _also_ made by Toby Fox himself. And given your aware of Greek Mythos, your mind probably just jumped to the good old "Land of the Lotus Eaters" story, from the Illiad/Odyssey. Seriously, I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on this and been talking about it. Not to mention, there's _another_ track by Toby in album five, simply called "Lotus", which serves as a baseline for one or two of the major leitmotifs we see scattered most commonly across Undertale. Dude's been working on stuff leading up to UT and DR for _years_ now.

So you're telling me there is a possibility that Chapter two will contain a reference to "Mobius Double Reacharound?"

I had this theory that Deltarune is a world where Chara and Asriel’s plan to free the monsters worked. Because if it did, it would result in the Monsters on the surface, no war (because no one really died besides Chara), future generations not meeting each other or living the same lives (Undyne and Alphys, or Bratty and Catty), and Asriel surviving. Plus different lives on the surface may change different events. Gerson tells you in Undertale how Monsters age with with children and don’t if they die. But, Gerson is dead in Delarune. Could this be some sort of symbolism for “new rules, old rules don’t matter?” Or is it something unrelated? Anyway I believe this is a pretty possible theory. owo

My favorite theory by far, althougth i also kinda believe the "we are the soul, we are not kris" theory and the "no war" theory (not completely). However, i think you missed on something, Gaster is most definitely evil. I do realize this fact is not mutually exclusive with anything you say, however, if you think about the implications of this. (Obviously there is an extremely high chance i am wrong) FIrst of all, why do most of gaster related stuff is also related to demons, from jevil to the mark of the beast. however, althougth, gaster will thus seem to be a representation of "the beast" i am doubtful. Lets imagine 3 worlds, a, b and c, or for the sake of thematic coherence, Unrelated, Deltarune and Undertale. * Unrelated: in a world that mostly resembles that of Undertale, a renowned scientist, a bringer of ligth, muse even (inspiring others to take a bite of the fruit that is knowledge) , Asterisk, OBSESSED with learning are there is to delves into KNOWlEDGE he shouldn't, somehow becoming a DARK ONE, in the process gaining followers of (now) voidy nature, however this somehow also resets the universe and splits Asterisk itself. * Deltarune: Upon its narrative start, a skeleton named sans brings out of the blue, his favorite restaurant. In this world, there was never a war between humans and monsters, therefore Gerson is instead a writer mostly inspired by his DREAMS, althougth he never wielded one in battle, his tombstone is still identified with a hammer. A few other people claim to be warriors. Kris, a ligthner, therefore bringer of ligth falls into the dark world (alongside with susie, also from the ligth world), there, a DARK PRINCE of name Ralsei is met. Kris seems to be empty and missing something, at the begining of the narrative becoming filled with a soul unable to make real choices (note determination is actually never mentioned). By the end of act one what seems to be chara (CHARActer bluh bluh). * Undertale: A soul is present in the body of Frisk fully able to make choices of its own and defining the personality of frisk unless the choice is killing all that is. A certain being of name Asriel/Flowey mirrors the theme of wanting to see all there is in a game and power gaming. if Gaster and other "angels" relate to lucifer in any way how are they influencing us if our choices don't matter at all. FIrst of all there is an underlying contrast between Gaster and Toby's vision of the game, seemingly, gaster acts as wanting to show us something, At the begining of the game giving us a "survey" and asking us to accept all that happens. After the survey the letters become lower case indicating its probabbly someone else speaking the words "your choices don't matter", also if you figth the optional boss jevil, a game over screen will appear saying the world is in our hands now with a manner of speech reminescent of Gaster, there is also stuff like the "easter egg" we get from a tree. While Toby tells us to just enjoy the game and to not indigate.

At the beginning of Deltarune, it you go back to sleep you still go to the dark world. Feels familiar...

I really like your predictions on a sense that they would just be cool as a story

I must say, I'm not all too cool with you associating a Dreemurr with the biggest brat of paradox space. I'm still of the belief that Chara's a good kid, that just really hated humanity. hell, they sacrificed themselves to give monsterkind their freedom back! it failed, but still, the only reason why they even act textbook evil in the Genocide route is because of YOU corrupting them. at least that's my interpretation CALIBORN, on the other hand, is objectively terrible and evil. selfish, mean, aggressive... irredeemable, in the end. it's like comparing a rosebud with a fucking rock. The rose's thorns stings, and the bud hasn't bloomed yet, but you know it's something pretty. whereas the rock is only good to crack skulls with. apart from that, interesting video. I got a bit of a theory of my own thanks to it.

You guys ever think that andrew and toby, like are always just writing together and one day we will have a some werid shit where the huss just appears with a dog thats white, like a big easter egg, like?

I love your videos dude. Keep it up!

We need more videos like these that look at Homestuck, Deltarune and Undertale cause they're all influenced by the same people

So, basically the term Hussie coined can explain this. It's just a case of *Circumstantial Simultaneity* right?

I'm not sold on the idea that the Queen that Jevil mentions is the Queen of Spades. The context that she's mentioned with seems to associate her with the unseen Knight that's the true threat to the balance between the light and dark worlds, the one who opened the second dark fountain. The Knight seems to be from outside and above the normal power structures of the card court or even the chess pieces, and I have the feeling that this Queen is the next level up past the Knight.

always look forward to these analyses and theories you put out. the homestuck videos in particular helped me reaffirm my understanding of the story a lot. i'm honestly surprised that you don't have more subscribers than you do, so hopefully that changes in the near future. keep it up!

The message of the epilogue in where we know the characters but they don’t know us it Fox’s way of showing that the player is a separate entity from Kris within the game

5:30 The way I personally justify Sans being both a darkner and in the light world is that his light world "object" was/is a skeleton, likely a classroom one (in part given how important the school to the darkners, and also it helping to explain his physical frailty, as he'd likely be made out of some form of plastic or other material that couldn't withstand physical damage) that was injected with determination and possibly other soul traits (which explains his strength and ability to exist in the light world.) Papyrus, on the other hand, is more confusing, though he instead be an attempt to create an artificial monster rather than a light-world darkner. Whatever the case, it's likely that their true nature is the reason Toby is so hesitant to show us Papyrus in deltarune. Or he's trolling us. Or he's trolling us by not ultimately trolling us. All are equally likely with Toby at this point lol

HELL YEAH NEW VIDEO

So Gaster died in the core and ends up in the Darkner world? I think the Undertale /Deltarune similarities are similar to the scratched session

I think that Kris is something like a fusion of Chara and Frisk. They’re still one person, but I believe, that when Deltarune ends, they’ll split in half to make Chara and Frisk when traveling to Undertale’s world. Maybe it’ll be like a sort of self-sacrifice thing, where in order to travel into a better world Kris will need to lead two lives. One where they makes stride to improve the world into something better, but then fail, and the one after that, where they can succeed and live a better life. For this to work, the first life would need to have Kris’ more negative traits, (reluctance, fear (which isn’t necessarily a bad trait, it’s just that it detracts from Kris’ heroism), pessimism, etc) and the second life would need their positive traits. (Kindness, flirting, heroism, optimism, etc) I think this also explains why Kris seems very nuetral. Yes, Frisk seems nuetral, but that’s only because they’re kind of like a blank slate for you to use for whatever route you choose. Kris doesn’t give you the option to do a genocide route or even give you many options at all. There are smaller options, like the option to eat moss in a cell with no food, but overall, Kris is just going through the story as it is without making any truly bold choices to change the path of “fate.” So Chara is the first life, and they shoulder the negativity, fear, and faliure, which leads them down one path, with you not having any real affect (for the duration of their backstory) on the life; While Frisk can take on the positivity, and embraces you, the player, as guidance for whatever choices may be best for the future of the world. Wether or not they succeed is up in the air, because now they have options to choose for themself what’s really success. Anyway. This video is great and i think you did a great job!

Considering that Toby worked on the music of homestuck, something must of rubbed off on the dog here

In "The Lordling" from the Cherubim album we can hear a laught that many think is Caliborn's. That same laught is also Flowey's. Caliborn is Flowey

i've always thought sans was referring to the surface when he said that

For Deltarune the closest thing to parallel worlds are the multiple save files. Something tells me that in order to trigger something in the full game's release; various different choices have to be made for each file.

hhhNNNNGHHH THIS TURNED OUT SO GOOD, TAS

OMG THE BUCKET, HOW DID I NOT NOTICE

This is a reaaally solid theory!

So then I am thinking when we get more info where the start and end point of the reset would be for both worlds...?

2:28 His vision is growind darker,not the world itself

Toby should help make the hiveswap games. They'd come out a hell of a lot faster

Chapter two has proven at least some of this wrong.

who here wants deltarune: complete.

Ok this is epic

yaaas more great content

If we are to believe Susie is the hero who will cause the events of Undertale to take place, then my guess for the endgame of deltarune is that she will help Kris regain their agency, causing Chara to be forced out of their body and into a parallel universe.

Also, given chapter two came out a couple years ago or so, will we be getting a new video on it at some point?

so true bestie

i suspect that kris is the version of chara who is native to the deltarune timeline. you see hints of chara’s personality in them, such as the dejected attitude, mean pranks, & love for chocolate. but instead of being bombarded with unimaginable fantasy violence at every point as chara was, kris just has to deal with normal people trauma. maybe this fact has caused them to grow into a more empathetic, heroic figure than their undertale counterpart. speaking of hs, kris & chara share the red heart aspect. in homestuck, the heart aspect deals with the splintered nature of one’s self-existence. this can manifest in characters repeatedly confronting the parts of themselves they don’t like. so maybe kris’s ultimate task will be confronting their evil doppelgänger from another timeline? who knows!

Sometimes i have some thinks with correlation homestuck with aether storyline because i played much call of duty zombies and read homestuck so i see some subtle similaritys.

the previous two videos were very interesting and I agreed with a lot of what's in them, but this one bugs me a little because it seems to take as a given that chara is evil. maybe it's a personal thing, but I agree more with the perspective that chara is not evil, just reacting to the world as they see it existing, portraying themself as a demon at the end of the kill-all run because that's what they feel they have become. I believe that chara is present in every possible run of undertale, but I don't think that they're a demon in all of them. I honestly think that kris is an au version of chara, in some way. their incredibly similar appearances and the fact that kris is also a child adopted by asriel's family are my main pieces of evidence, but with the very last scene of deltarune on top - the imagery is unmistakable. I think that if kris effectively /is/ chara, then their story only makes sense if you don't read chara as a demon and instead read chara as a child who feels isolated and ostracized by their community, and who lashes out accordingly. a lot like susie, actually

*the scratch*

If all three worlds carry out in paradox space, does that mean the dark world is the matter in between the black hole, Earth C1 and C2? does Undertale and Deltarune count as Earth C1 and C2's planets for sburb sessions, with Deltarune as the scratched session? would Hauntswitch be the sburb session nearby Mt Ebott? if Deltarune wouldnt be the scratched session would it be the result of the scratch??

Aw fuck. Time shenanigans AGAIN? FUUUUCKKK Yeeessss???

congrats you found: snowgrave

I think Deltarune makes it a point to tell us we are in control, nobody else is, and we are in someone else's body and life. So we need to stop blaming Chara the literal child that died loving the monsters and hating the humans.

Gaster is a master Void player

can you make hsl on chixie ?

For some odd reason I have a feeling that deltarune won’t be the last part of the story even when it finishes. I feel like there are gonna be some more games that add to this and have their own unique stories. I feel like... we’ve been mislead somehow? That’s what my intuition says and I find it odd. Either way I hope you have a great everyday and maybe do more things related to undertale and other things. I was thinking of something else to say but I kinda forgot while writing this and now I feel smol.

Coming in, it makes me mad that you say Kris is the one to recognise the monsters. That’s the player who recognises them, not Kris.

I have recently been looking back at an old comic from the 70s my mom read to me while I was a kid and noticing not only how ahead of there time these comics are still to this day but also a few similarities between it and Homestuck. The comic im refuring to is elf Quest and honestly it feels like something that would be written not this year but like next year in the sense that it feels like a kind of evolution of the kind of story telling we have now but it was first launched in the 70s. And the similarities I have noticed between Homestuck and elf Quest are thus far , they both have alien races who take on the names of fantasy races ie trolls and chrubs for Homestuck and elfs, trolls and fairy's, they both begin with our heroes being thrust into a world there unfamiliar with because of the flaming destruction of there homes in Homestucks case it was the end of earth but in elf Quests case it was the burning of the wolf riders forest, they both have viper cunt villaneses who are some of the most dangerous fows they face who are also tall lean and clad in black with great hair in the case of Homestuck it's the empress in the case of elf Quest it's winnowil, the both have mythological level ancestors, both have there first big antagonists be manstorus hybrids of evil and hate formed by magic and nature itself that then run a muck and cause the deaths of a countless number of cheractors in the case of Homestuck it's wolf Jack niore and in elf Quests it's mad coil, and both of these babies are eventually responsible for the deaths of the main cheractors parents or parental figure in Homestucks case it's John's dad Rose's mom and Dave's bro and in elf Quests it's the death of both of cutters parents Joy Leif and bear claw, both have alien species with tellapathic abilities with the elf's inharantly all having this ability, both have amazingly lager castes of charactors and both have a interest in the connections between our main characters and there animals with the wolf riders being part wolf along side the elf's of blue mountain raideing birds and there being underwater elfs I can probably name even more interesting simmilarites and connection between the two if given time.

Have my like for making his video exist.

You talked so slow, that i had to speed it up to 1.25 speed

Deltarune god tier: Kris: Heir of Heart Susie: Knight of Hope Ralsei: Mage of Light Lancer: Page of Rage Jevil: ??? of ¿¿¿

God it’s been a long time

YOU TOTALLY PREDITCED cHP 2

I thought it would play the music.

i love videos about cross-series connections!

Say it with me "Chaira." thats what it soumds like

I personally don't believe Chara is connected to Kris. I'm with MatPat, in that when Kris rips out the player's soul, it's just them rejecting the player and their control. Whether or not the removal of our control is permanent is neither here nor there, but as for when they pulled out the knife, I think it's just them going to get some pie. Before the player gained control, Kris was actually a pretty weird kid, which you find out by talking to people around town - they'd make Noelle and others think they were bleeding by pouring ketchup on themselves, and also eat entire pies made by Toriel on their own. That being said, I'm always a fan of your theories and explanation videos, Duelist. You've helped me understand a lot of Homestuck that just flew over my head when I read it the first time around. :)

im not really that surprised since toby fox and andrew hussie work together to make homestuck and undertale

0:37 Really?

basically nether highways

Deltarune is pre-Scratch Undertale

Well sans and papayrus they coud be from a diffrent place in the underground and sans maybe is saying that he give up going back to the servise becuse he knows everythink is going to be reset

Maybe causing undertale to happen will be similar to Caliborn or Ectobiologists caused homestuck/sburb to happen, by except with dream stuff instead of time bs

this video really did predict deltarune Chapter 2 ... and the rest Probably ...