Debating the WORST CURSES in The Binding of Isaac Repentance

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This is a tier list debating the absolute WORST curses in The Binding of Isaac Repentance. This is NOT a list based on fun, but rather what curses are the most hindering/impactful between all kinds of runs. Hope you all enjoy!
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@latermanner 4 месяца назад

I'd like to make a point for Curse of the Unknown that I never got around to making, when I make lists I like to consider all player's skill levels. So while I think Blind is more of a hinderance for more skilled players, I can say with 100% confidence that players with less than 100 hours lose their runs very quickly specifically because of not knowing their health. I've seen so many of my IRL friends who play much more casually lose super consistently whenever Unknown shows up. Whereas those same friends won't be affected by Blind at all since they would be picking up whatever item is there without worrying about minmaxing or rerolling multiple times. Basically for most players I've seen unknown ends runs whereas Blind hinders specifically experienced players from being able to reroll/minmax. *EDIT - I might try to consider more top level play in general, I just don't want to get to a point where I'm just disregarding things like health just saying "Don't get hit forehead."

@hrhgegea 4 месяца назад

Even when I had less than 20 hours in game, I encountered the curse and it didn't really matter. I kept tallies of my health anyway because I needed to focus on dodging and constantly looking up to my health caused me to take damage when I was still new. I don't think the "newer players suffer more" thing works because newer players are just as vast with playstyle as veteran players. Curse of the blind is worse, but both only truly effect you if you've already got a bad run.

@anstorner 3 месяца назад

I do agree, i just now lost a run because of it at Isaac, but the Curse of the Unknown also made me lose an run because i had Chaos, and the item was Jupiter which made me die at Daddy long legs because i was so slow it was impossible to dodge his multiple stomp then head attack.

@octavia1717 2 месяца назад

u make a good point about unknown imo, for as much as the 1hp god plays are kind of a meme. i cant explain *why* but i very consistently play worse when i dont know my health on bosses, especially late game ones like delirium, the stress really gets to me even if theoretically it shouldn't

@hg5172 4 месяца назад

6 things 3 tiers 1 hour

@winguswongus Месяц назад

literally no idea how they make videos so insanely long

@user-fg5fo7ly2j 4 месяца назад

“Shorter than our other videos” My man it’s an hour long for 6 curses to rank 💀💀💀

@LaterMannerVODsDump 4 месяца назад

Turt called it on the 30 minute discussion what can I say lol

@turtier 4 месяца назад

Somehow we disagreed on almost every placement. We were a little worried the video might be too short or uninteresting but turns out we had a lot to talk about lol.

@jaydeng.9506 4 месяца назад

One thing you forgot to mention is that a sun card REMOVES curse of darkness. So it's even less impactful then the other curses because it has a semi common way of being removed unlike banking on black candle or Dagaz.

@LaterMannerVODsDump 4 месяца назад

truuuuuuue, easily least impactful curse

@wenirlicker6808 4 месяца назад

AND it's also removed with night light, there are twice as many ways to get rid of it as any other curse

@Corrupted 4 месяца назад

I don't give a shit about curse of darkness on my steam deck, but it's completely unplayable for my fiancée because she has pretty meh eyesight - it's such a weirdly designed curse. You either don't care at all, or it makes it unplayable lmao. It requires a very specific person with a very specific setup to hit that sweet spot of challenge, it should absolutely be reworked imo. (Like almost all curses, they might be the most mediocre mechanic of the entire game)

@turtier 4 месяца назад

Yeah, this is exactly what I was trying to say. It's never been an issue for me since I raised my gamma, but before then it was unplayable with my monitor. I actually think it would be better if the circle was bigger but the outside of the circle was completely blacked out. It would be harder in general, but it would also be designed and balanced around the fact that it's actually impossible to see outside the circle. Right now, it's designed assuming that you probably can see through the darkness, which means it's straight up unfair if you can't, and you usually can't see because of factors that are unrelated to the game itself. And then if you CAN see, it's basically irrelevant. I definitely think it's the worst designed curse for that reason (2nd worst designed is maze, the rest are all fine, even if not super impactful sometimes).

@JrwVWR 2 месяца назад

how is "not being able to min max as good" worse than not knowing what item you're about to pick up for an entire floor

@robttore2 2 месяца назад

It's "not being able to min max as good" it's "not knowing your health" which can be very detrimental when you want either want to heal up and don't know how low you are. Like you miscounted a hit, think you're on two hearts when your on one and wait to take one more hit instead of using the card/pill, and you die instead.

@JrwVWR 2 месяца назад

Okay. How is ""not knowing your health" which can be very detrimental when you want either want to heal up and don't know how low you are. Like you miscounted a hit, think you're on two hearts when your on one and wait to take one more hit instead of using the card/pill, and you die instead." worse than not knowing what item you're about to pick up for an entire floor.

@robttore2 2 месяца назад

@JrwVWR because items aren't always bad, and the worst pool to pick up from that are near guaranteed is the item room pool. You can ignore the item, hell sometimes you can't because you don't have a key.

@buster9877 2 месяца назад

I agree, just don’t blood donate or do devil deals is way easier to manage then ignoring items on a whole floor. I think once you get dead god any curse shouldn’t ruin your run so I go off how much a curse slows your run down.

@CesarTorres-zk3ek Месяц назад

@@robttore2 if you know how to count its not bad at all and if you dont know how much health you have which isnt hard at all, since is easy to know your max health, even if your health wasnt full, just take all the red hearts until you cant anymore, and there it is, your full health, not know your items can be run killer, and in alter floors/if you have any kind of options item/devil deals/angel rooms/if you have dice items you can loose the option to choose the better item and it all depends in luck, the worst feeling in the world is looking a sacred heart fading out of the pedestal when you pick up a damn holy water

@jojobod 4 месяца назад

Keep these up! (The finale should be the all items tier list)

@LaterMannerVODsDump 4 месяца назад

eventually we are planning to stream all items over multiple streams

@ianlucasmagi 4 месяца назад

One week long stream lesss gooo 😎

@pedropenna948 4 месяца назад

60h video lesss gooo

@nydrolophan7705 4 месяца назад

Additional Maze mention. Teleporting into boss room makes me open the deals when I don't want to yet :( messes with my active charge min/max ext

@LaterMannerVODsDump 4 месяца назад

Good point actually yeah

@nickpapazyan2807 4 месяца назад

I think curse of the maze poses an actual danger by unexpectedly moving rooms with spikes/hazards (often right next to the doors) you can easily walk into. If you aren’t paying attention while backtracking or don’t react in time, it can be really punishing. Especially early in a run, walking into a spike room when you don’t expect to and taking a full heart of damage after two steps is incredibly punishing.

@Jameor 2 месяца назад

i mean, its less of a problem in repentance, since they mostly fixed it being super annoying

@apple9172 4 месяца назад

I think curse of the xl is the absolute worst curse because you automatically lose a shop, secret room, super secret room devil/angel deal, crawlspace, and any other potential special rooms.

@latermanner 4 месяца назад

True, at its worst its defo the worst, but its mid tier because it helps in many different situations

@kriegjohnson3326 4 месяца назад

It's pretty uncommon, as it's only happened to me once, but XL on Downpoor/Dross has the potential to be good because you're able to get 4 boss items with the mirror world. It absolutely does not make up for everything you lose, but if you're gonna get an XL floor, Downpour/Dross is the best.

@CesarTorres-zk3ek Месяц назад

most likely you would not loose a deal, since in the next floor after a deal the chance of it is 36 percent, while the xl causes that the next room chance is 67 percent, so basically is the same chance of the next floor, and in the case that the xl is in the 1st floor, you have a guaranteed deal, plus having a 67 percent chance in the 3rd floor, in a normal run, your chance in the third floor would be 36 percent

@Toumsters Месяц назад

@@CesarTorres-zk3ek you lose that 36% chance roll though, which is honestly really big even if you dont hit the 36%, you now have the same odds as you would with XL, but you also now have an extra secret room, shop, potentially curse/sacrifice/dice/any other special room, etc, with the added bonus of not having to clear 2 floors worth of rooms without taking red heart damage plus, when rolling for deals, you have a higher chance rolling both a 36% and then a 67% instead of just a 67%, simply because its another chance, and if you do hit the 36% chance, then you have a 36% chance to simply get more deal items which are some of the most powerful in the game that one deal can be the difference between getting or missing mega satan, sacred heart, brimstone, etc, and even if you dont get it, you still had the higher chance plus, if you go into an xl floor with a 100% chance, you miss out on the ability for that to carry over to the next floor if you were to skill issue

@CesarTorres-zk3ek Месяц назад

@@Toumsters either way even if you lose that opportunity, its a wopping 67% of the times where you will get nothing, so really you are not missing much talking about deals, and as i told you, in the case is in the first floor, is even better, the best cases for an xl floor to appear are the floors where you already have a 67% chance for a deal, since you will have 2 floors in arrow with that chance, while the ones where you have a 36% chance may be worse for your run, such as 3rd and 5ft floor, so is just a bad curse half of the time, and not even that terrible, since it makes your run faster most of the time

@rare_edamimi_fangirl 4 месяца назад

I personally think XL should be in its own tier called "makes the game easier"

@latermanner 4 месяца назад

Lmaaaaao, idk about all the time but yeah i feel more positive scenarios from it more than bad personally

@Toumsters Месяц назад

the loss of a (super) secret room, special rooms, possibly a deal, etc makes it more of a pain and hinderance than easier, though it is nice on womb floors because its one big maze instead of two mid sized mazes, and you arent typically exploring those floors anyway

@octavia1717 2 месяца назад

something i dont recall being mentioned as another benefit of xl aside from speed and being pretty good on basement: sacrifice rooms. bigger floor means more heart drops (probably), plus extra chance for boss reward health up, these all make sacrifice room high pulls much more doable

@mellowrath4217 4 месяца назад

Inscryption OST? We’re so back

@Yeast191 4 месяца назад

12:59 mother, second phase

@CarmsCelestia Месяц назад

"You could always just not pick up an item on that floor" people when 3 curse of the Blind in a row

@scor-chii1671 4 месяца назад

I only find Curse of Darkness annoying when it happens on Depth/Dank Depths and Corpse

@jobot0114 4 месяца назад

My personal ranking is: Worst: Curse of the Blind and Lost Cringe: Curse of the Maze and XL Meh: Curse of the Unknown and Darkness

@jmiranda11stu Месяц назад

The "having one health" buff argument for not being able to see your health is literally so real. I was fighting beast yesterday with a mediocre run and was at half a heart for the last horseman and beast and beat it lol.

@CarmsCelestia Месяц назад

Curse of the Maze switching an easy cleared room with a cleared room with spikes or other damaging obstacles right in front of the door has actually cost me runs ngl

@NinyaBOT 4 месяца назад

oh interesting, i never would have thought of this idea here's my personal breakdown (not in any order) curse of the lost and curse of the blind are the top 2 most annoying for me to get- especially in greed mode for blind (lost literally doesnt matter in that mode tho)- I usually use the minimap to help seek out secret rooms too, and if i get curse of the lost, i literally dont even bother LOL curse of the unknown is just super annoying, because not being able to see health is anxiety inducing.. at the same time i dont get hit often so it barely matters. so just annoying at best. curse of darkness, also just annoying, but i think even moreso. i have a pretty dark pc it seems, even with gamma turned up and it actually does cause me to get hit more often, and overall its just a visual nightmare for me. I'll say, I played mannyyyy years ago and I feel like it wasnt as bad / basically a non curse back then, but it seems worse nowadays for some reason. curse of the maze is literally whatever. its the least bothersome curse to me (in terms of negative, we'll get to XL in a moment which i dont see as bad lol) i think out of all the times ive ever gotten it, it messed me up ONCE where i was walking forwards and the room switched, i didnt notice cos i had visited the same room a couple times before, and i hit spikes lol, thats it tho, its hardly noticeable to me otherwise and curse of XL, im always happy to get, thats an extra treasure room item baybeee unless its the later floors, but i rarely get it past depths / gehenna tbh TL;DR, my personal list: TERRIBLE: Blind, Lost Cringe: darkness, unknown Eh, Whatever: maze GOATED TBH: XL I'll add also, I think I have such a bias against curse of the blind because it gave me cursed eye once. and that was during an otherwise good run, and it destroyed me while fighting delirium. I've had such an intense hatred for both cursed eye and curse of the blind ever since lol

@NinyaBOT 4 месяца назад

okay hearing ur argument for curse of the unknown, i do think maybe it belongs at the end of TERRIBLE. NOT above blind tho. Like I've said, blind has ruined runs for me, there can be some bias there. I've also been grinding Greed mode for my file lately so that doesnt help. But unknown is up there for sure.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

Someone finally gets my darkness point! I still agree that it's easily negateable so I'm fine with it at the bottom, but I knew I couldn't be the only one who's actually had it be an issue. I changed the gamma level and it's fine now but still it straight up killed me before I did that.

@metaverse9883 День назад

Curse of XL doesn't give you an extra treasure room. It just combines 2 floors into one big floor that still counts as 2 floors; so your still getting the normal amount of treasure rooms. You still lose out on a bunch of special rooms like devil deals, shops, and sacrifice rooms though making it the worst curse next to curse of the blind.

@therealswitt4554 4 месяца назад

If I had to rate these, I would rate them based on my reaction of starting a run and seeing them, and I would make the tiers: auto restart, situational restart, and I'll play it Auto Restart: Curse of Darkness (I have my game at 150% gamma and still can't see) Situational Restart: Curse of Blindness (if I'm playing Isaac) and Curse of Labrynith (if I lose devil deal or trying to unlock Forgotten) I'll Play It: Curse of the Lost, Curse of the Maze, and Curse of the Unknown ( I don't have much issues with these)

@turtier 4 месяца назад

Yeah, that's the thing with curse of darkness, it's very dependent on factors outside of the run itself. Such as gamma level, which monitor you use, even possibly just people's eyes being different. I think for most people it's a non curse but I do think it's worse than maze and lost which either don't do much OR can be easily negated just by drawing your own map (can probably do this on google sheets so you don't even need paper).

@therealswitt4554 4 месяца назад

@@turtier True, I'm mostly going off my opinion when I start a run, so unless I'm playing Isaac or hunting for the Forgotten, that's the only curse I normally restart on.

@TheSorrowfulAngel 4 месяца назад

One thing about Curse of Darkness is... it is the only curse that actively deals damage to you, in a sense. While it is negligible most of the time.. sometimes, it can really do a number on you.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

Someone finally gets it! I think it's free and a non curse 99% of the time, but the fact that I HAVE had it deal damage to me sometimes automatically makes it worse than maze and lost imo.

@rainiedog 29 дней назад

Turt not thinking curse of the lost is that bad and manner bringing up its bad for boss rush and hush IS INSANE knowing turt literally talked for an hour about boss rush timer rng in the best run video. Like yeah, ive learned to map in my head, but holy hell did it ruin some of my hush runs, and by that time im past moms foot, so no dogma, and i usually dont go alt path for mother and i havent picked up any key pieces. I pray for a void portal and almost never get one. Completion marks impossible cus I got lost on a huge womb floor on a good run

@solomon2466 4 месяца назад

I would really like to see a boss tier list or challenge tier list (based of how well designed/fun they are).

@latermanner 4 месяца назад

I do love going over design

@maddymakesgames 4 месяца назад

curse of darkness when I forget to turn my monitor's brightness up and have my blinds open has killed me before lol. Also darkness in early rep was horrible, I actually could barely see most of the time. I probably could've turned up gamma but it was nerfed so it doesn't matter. Free 99% of the time now but can definitely kill you depending on your computer and environment. I think ranking it in whatever is fine but when it is bad I think its worse than maze and lost because those can't directly cause you damage. Lost, unknown, and maze are all free lol. They never effect me. Maze and lost are just annoyances, can rarely cost you boss rush or hush, but its usually not that bad. With unknown, after you see it for the first or second time you'll probably know to just glance at your health before entering the next floor. You shouldn't really be looking at your health much anyway in battle so its fine. I rarely use blood donos, sac rooms, or demon beggers unless I have some guarantee that I won't have issues with missing the health (invuln / ways to heal). Just choose not to min max. Just knowing if you're low on health is fine for most runs, missing a few extra hits out of sun or whatever isn't that important, just don't get hit? Blind sucks ass and is the only one that changes how I play. I've died from getting ipacec or dr fetus from blind more than any other curse. XL is usually beneficial imo so like its literally nothing. There are negatives but I don't care about them tbh. Design perspective, all curses are good imo. I think most of them are free but I would be fine with more curses being added that actively hurt players.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

You got my point regarding curse of darkness completely. Thank you lol, I feel like a lot of people thought I was saying that it's bad in general, but I did just mean that darkness, lost, and maze, are all nothing to me, but darkness hurts more in the 1% of cases where it matters.

@maddymakesgames 4 месяца назад

@@turtier yeah. It is very rarely an issue but it does actually cause problems when it does, where as lost and maze can't really do anything besides make it harder to make bossrush / hush

@CheezyBois998 2 месяца назад

What about my custom curse? I need info on it. Curse of the Unsightly -All room doors look the exact same -All icons on the map are removed -The next floor’s starting room is completely black, and does not tell you what floor you are on

@troygarcia6674 2 месяца назад

I've never disagreed with latermanner more lol Maybe it's my monitor, maybe it's my vision, but darkness can for sure be an issue. Not run killing, but catching stray hits here and there. I also don't turn up the brightness cause that feels like the same thing as silhouetting the blind curse but that's a me thing. Lost is really a non issue. Actually when I learned that it gave extra rooms it's honestly a net positive. Maze is also not a thing. It's not a hindrance it's just annoying. Not good, not bad, just annoying. Lastly, in what world is not knowing your hp worse than just straight up not seeing pedestals?! I feel like this one shouldn't even be a discussion. But like anyone I have my biases I suppose.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

I feel like people are misunderstanding me on darkness, I agree that it's free! I just think maze and lost are also free! And given that darkness CAN, depending on your monitor, actually be super detrimental, I think that makes it potentially worse. I think spiders also blend into the floor on curse rooms with darkness too. It can be fixed by gamma so it's not a huge deal but it's a weird workaround to have to do.

@latermanner 4 месяца назад

Its not a "workaround" to have base settings 😂

@turtier 4 месяца назад

@@latermanner Play with base gamma on my crappy old monitor and when you die from full health in sheol you'll understand my point XD

@kinglyknight 4 месяца назад

Darkness is worse than lost, darkness causes me to get hit by random tears (especially wall clinger enemies) lost just causes me to maybe miss the odd secret room.

@kuchnia846 4 месяца назад

Also i think of 3 cool ass curses that would and some spice in game: - Curse when you dont see your pickups - Curse when you lose pickups when being hit (not selfdamage) - Curse when floor is sticky (like walking on web) Those I think would hurt player in unique way

@latermanner 4 месяца назад

These would be interesting yeah! Webs make me cringe tho

@kuchnia846 4 месяца назад

@@latermanner strong agree, but also making game harder than it is add a lot (maybe not in terms of doing boss rush cause this curse would hurt the most especially if you are playinf maggy)

@CheezyBois998 2 месяца назад

My custom curse: Curse of the Unsightly -All doors look the exact same -All room icons are removed -Next floor will not tell you which floor it is, starting room will be completely black How does this sound? :) Also some names for yours. Curse of the Greedy Curse of the Pickpocketer Curse of the Arachnid

@latermanner 2 месяца назад

@@CheezyBois998 That'd be so annoying...I love it

@kuchnia846 2 месяца назад

@@CheezyBois998 definitely a unique curse, also thanks for naming mine

@kuchnia846 4 месяца назад

I think maze should be in top of whatever or bottom of cringe - imagine keeper or T Lost run when you are one hit away from death and it teleports you in the curse room... or Delirium floor when you are unprepared and it teleport you into delirium

@turtier 4 месяца назад

It can't teleport you into the curse room. If it could it would def be higher though.

@kuchnia846 4 месяца назад

@@turtier really? I swear, it happend to me like 5 times or more, but maybe it's just mandela effect made by 1000h+ in this game XD

@turtier 4 месяца назад

@@kuchnia846 It was possible in afterbirth + I think, so if you played that before rep then that might be it.

@kuchnia846 4 месяца назад

@@turtier that would have make sense. Im glad they fixed that

@FirstLast-mn4re 4 месяца назад

So I actually kind of liked Curse of the maze in Afterbirth+ because you could just get into locked rooms for free pretty easily when the curse was active, I think it can still be done in Repentence, but it is much less reliable. So now its just kind of a minor annoyance.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

I tested it, it's definitely removed in Rep. I remember it being a thing in AB+ though because I used to do this too.

@rektbiich4585 4 месяца назад

He is right about curse of darkness, it can cost you runs ,escp on low hp characters. Like you legit CANT SEE ANYTHING if you are on a lower gama or have some sight issues, i personally always get hit on it by enemies that shoot from the other side of the room and i cant see them at all . Like it should be cringe tier. Worst curse has to be XL, followed by Blind ,then Darkness and Unknown , and lowest tier is Lost and obv Maze. Maze is the defininiton of non curse ,like ,, oh nooo, i have to fight another room ,oh wait it helped me by making me skip 3 extra rooms towards the boss fight ,ty maze,,

@turtier 4 месяца назад

Swap unknown and darkness and this would have been my exact list lol. When the vid first came out noone seemed to get my darkness point but over time I've seen a lot more comments saying that it's caused them issues due to gamma, eyesight, even just having their blinds open and the sun shining on the screen. Like it's a non curse for most people most of the time but as soon as your in a situation where you can't see then suddenly you just get destroyed, which I think gives it more potential to kill a run than curse of the lost and especially maze.

@rektbiich4585 4 месяца назад

@@turtier yeeesss ! I was ULTRA aGREEing with you the whole time and was like,, cmon latermanner, compromise at least on darkness ,, like every video of you guys you have legit my way of viewing and experiencing the game. Like maze is legit the only non-curse that i even get happy to get, lost i just eyeroll and move on , but darkness and the rest can kill a run in their own way, and like you said, darkness used to be SO BAD at first to the point you legit were seeing like 1/5 of the room of a small circle around you

@CheezyBois998 2 месяца назад

XL is rlly not that bad. Sure it’s one less shop but fr, it’s just guaranteed deal (if you aren’t skill issuing), double item rooms (which can be good), etc etc. also double the boss items. Also makes it take less time overall to get through the floor if you can guess right (usually it gets weird with mapping and the boss room is super close to the starting room).

@leons.kennedy3488 Месяц назад

an hour to rank six things lol and they're planning on doing a ranking all Isaac items video

@KristenStuffs 4 месяца назад

Curse of darkness affecting you is a skill issue

@rammielogz2122 2 месяца назад

one time i was playing on my switch and chose tainted lost for mother achievement, and i got teleported into the curse room and lost my mantel Literally cost me the run after having brimstone and rock bottom.

@KristenStuffs 4 месяца назад

I was going to meme on the curse of the unknown point but then I lost my tainted laz mother run (with r-key) because I got it twice in a row

@2gupsy4me Месяц назад

Curse of Darkness is a poorly designed curse, if you can modify the in-game settings to go around the challenge than its an awful challenge

@eerie_user5449 Месяц назад

Dude the other guy is so annoying every one of his points for any of the curses just seem like a contrarian point; like latermanner makes the valid easy to accept points like curse of the lost being damaging enough to the run that it’s cringe, but his point essentially boils down to “skill issue; for me it does nothing to my run”

@derfla1292 4 месяца назад

darkness is a literal non curse and maze fkn sucks - ruins boss rush/hush runs and at its best is annoying af

@CesarTorres-zk3ek Месяц назад

HARD DISAGREE on the curse of the blind, no matter at what point of the game you get that course, it sucks, specially on the chest or dark room, is so easy to grab a run kill item at that point when you can see the item, by far the worst curse, by far

@pumkinswift8263 4 месяца назад

Curse of the Blind is way worse than Curse of the Unknown. Literally, just keep track of your health it's not that hard.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

THANK YOU LOL Even that challenge where you have it permanently the whole run, I lose track of my health eventually but it's still not an issue.

@latermanner 4 месяца назад

Casual players dont count health they just lose i promise 😂

@turtier 4 месяца назад

@@latermanner I'll say it again, you shouldn't put much weighting into casuals because they won't learn from the videos or get better at the game if you rank things with them in mind. If they have trouble with the curse, the knowledge of "counting actually makes this free" should teach them to count. If they still don't then that's on them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@pumkinswift8263 4 месяца назад

@@latermanner I just fundamentally disagree with this approach to ranking things. You should be ranking based on how it affects the best players, not the worst. It's like if we did a Smash tier list and you put little Mac at s tier because casuals can't beat him. Tier lists are usually done assuming that the players are playing optimally, or at least as optimally as is reasonable.

@turtier 4 месяца назад

@@pumkinswift8263 I've used the smash argument a few times to manner too! I'm absolutely trash at peach, but it doesn't matter she's harder to play than kirby, because the fact is that when you learn to play her she's way better.

@LuciZeArtist 4 месяца назад

my thoughts in no particular order - Curse of darkness : rarely makes a diference, just turn the brightness up lol - Curse of Maze : more annoying then anything, worst case scenario it can make you accidentally run into spikes - Curse of Lost : very annoying (specially in womb). Can ruin some bossrush/Hush runs - Curse of Unknown : can mess up your run if you dont keep track but its not that bad - Curse of Labyrinth : can sometimes be a good thing (in floor one most of times) but it can mess with devil or angel deals - Curse of Blind : Main reason to pick black candle , i had some runs ruined because of it , You think "its just one item , how bad could it-" and its Bobsbrain or spirit sword or something that compleatly overwrites your synergy

@Josh_Fan 4 месяца назад

Has Turtier ever considered that he has his brightness to low??? (darkness at the bottom)

@LaterMannerVODsDump 4 месяца назад

I'm glad I'm not the only one to believe this lmao

@turtier 4 месяца назад

I did acknowledge this in the video actually :P

@Mr._N. 2 месяца назад

Curse of the blind is worse.

@Grenader01 4 месяца назад

Maze make me lost a run coz it put me in a caress room with half a heart and i died 😢. It has no counter, darkness is just gamma: 150

@turtier 3 месяца назад

That would have been in afterbirth +, in repentance maze can't teleport you into special rooms anymore (besides the boss room).

@hg5172 4 месяца назад

Curse of the Giant fans, rise up!

@nekobitard9052 4 месяца назад

idk what's there to discuss, the moment I saw the list of curses i was like blind and lost = terrible, everything else eh whatever, also xl may be a blessing in disguise kinda

@justanotherforsenboy1651 4 месяца назад

turtier is really just #1 in having shit takes

@lazybones8962 4 месяца назад

I'd say that's manner 99% of the time, turt is pretty reasonable

@yomireal7570 4 месяца назад

It's like some kind of duality

@LaterMannerVODsDump 4 месяца назад

@@yomireal7570 I love the duality imo

@gux3172 4 месяца назад

In this video specifically I'm gonna have to agree, Darkness curse makes me sigh in relief

@turtier 4 месяца назад

People just misunderstand that I don't find darkness difficult either. It's free and usually a non curse, but it still CAN (and has) done more potential harm than maze and lost ever has to me. That's all I was saying.