austinmcconnell you're comparing a novel most people have never heard of, and is technically not even cannon anymore, to a major theatrically released film that canonicaly is the future of the franchise. Those two things don't correlate my man. The story in this book probably sucks and the last jedi's did too
@@ThreeProphets I mean, this story is written by a Star Trek author, so I am not really surprised that this book sounds like a Star Trek story with Star Wars characters. Tho it would be cool to see a Star Wars series that is kinda like Star Trek with a group of explorers traveling beyond the Star Wars galaxy to explore new worlds outside the Galaxy.
The Forgotten Jedi, “with the force” Mr. Madison, what you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response did anything come close to a rational thought. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
I could see them getting rid of the twins kidnapping thing, make the villain sacrificing Anakin to waru be a culturally prime-directive-protected kidnapping of a member of the cast. I mean- an alien that's just some crazy gold blob from another dimension is so much more star trek than wars
I actually liked some of the "weirder" stuff from the EU. The problem is, that the era after Endor was sort of written to death. Every author wanted to write an epic story, but they happened so shortly after one another, that it became ridiculous
Canderous Ordo a novel that woulda cleared up all that weird shit in Legends was so close to being published before the mouse said "EU Not Canon; Get Good". Like the book is such a trip but the lore and passion put into it so it can explain Star Wars history in a deeper way is so satisfying to read...
Several galaxy spanning threats once every couple of months, Imperial Warlords getting screwed and getting backstabbed, occasional Sith wannabes either inquisitors or dark jedi trying to take over parts of imperial remnants and destroying the new jedi order, either ancient artifacts or extragalactic beings occasionally popping up here and there, etc.
While I was watching the video, I kept thinking, "Why does this plot sound so familiar?" It turns out around Freshman year I checked out this book at my school and read it.
So in this Novelization Luke doesn't attempt to kill a family member, and Han Solo isn't a pathetic loser who actually attempts to raise his children? Wow, that really makes me appreciate what a cinematic masterpiece that "Last Jedi" really is.
Sure a lot of the books were bad, but sifting through the garbage to get to the good stuff was worth it. The Thrawn Trilogy, Admiral Daala, The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion. The good stuff was really good.
That right there is kinda my problem with the way the internet mob treats the EU. If any of this was published by Disney, not a single soul would excuse them and would instead just hyper-focus. That's not to say you can't like the EU and not like Disney Canon, but the internet mob so often goes on to paint its views as objective and factual in the same breath.
@@bainbonic You know what the difference is? The EU and Legends were written by *hundreds* of different people over a series of over thirty years. If you got 100 people over the course of twenty years, of course some of the things will be bad and some of the other stuff will be great. Now imagine someone else coming in, taking *all* of that 30+ years stuff, good and bad, and then just plain shredded it. They took it all and ripped it apart, and then said; "Oh yeah, all of this was shit, time for us to make our own that will be good 100%." And then they start releasing crap that was just as bad as the worst parts of legends and doesn't even come close to the best parts.
The second I read the title I said out loud, if he isn't talking about crystal star, then Austin doesn't know the depths of bad SW novels. Fun fact, crystal star is my mom's FAVORITE BOOK. She owns probably the only hardback edition. I read the damn thing TWICE trying to figure out why she loved it. Then it dawned on me. It's a damn romance novel! I still give her crap for paying 20 bucks for the first edition hardcover
I also own that, thanks to my dad who was collecting those books at the time. He owned a hardback copy of Heir to the Empire as well. Thing is that at the time, they were on the New York Time's best seller list. Back when that actually meant something and pretty much everything reaches that nowadays it would seem. A lot of the anger against this book though stems from how low the quality is compared to even the likes of the Jedi Academy trilogy.
Uhhh, you might want to pass on that it runs as part of a series, with the young jedi knights, and then finishing with Star by Star (a reference to crystal star, and actually a good one) which are the only books to acknowledge the existence of crystal star, basically. And no star wars book collection is complete without it.
Carbon 12 true it is the first book in a three book series I think. I read them all of course to complete the collection. A lot of the lesser known books run together in my head. I always liked the sub plot where lobot and threepio and artoo go on an adventure inside an alien maze ship, but I can never remember which book it's in
I have a hard back copy. This book is much of the reason I stopped getting hard back copies of the Star Wars books. It meant I had to wait a year, unfortunately.
In a previouse novel 3PO fell into a giant tub of purple paint, and luke was too lazy to repaint him. (I'm kidding) On a unrelated note in ledgends han solo actually repainted the millennium falcone black for a while after the death of chewbacca
Oh my god! As one of "those guys" who read a LOT of Star Wars Books I KNEW this video was going to be about Crystal Star! Man, It's really weird and outta character. Thanks for reminding me of this one.
There's a lot of bizarre stuff in the old canon. The whole Darksaber-storyline was absolutely insane, but in a good way, or the Corellian Crisis with Centerpoint station and Han Solos cousin. And, of course, this.
This is my favorite Star Trek episode!!! Lol this book sounds just so aggressively Star Trek it kinda hurts but I'd probably read it if they changed the characters.
this was the first star wars novel I ever read; my sister found it at a thrift store. To this day, I remember it as one of the most confusing books I've ever read.
I’ll take “coked out of her tits” Carrie Fisher and “Barbie Doll Makeup” Mark Hamill over Leia Poppins and Jake Skywalker any day of the week. I can at least laugh at the former examples.
> Austin makes an interesting, entertaining video on an obscure Star Wars novel. > Everyone focuses on the mention of TLJ and proceeds to debate in the comments, with almost no talk about the actual meat of the video.
It's almost like if he wanted us to focus on him he shouldn't have baited (in satire at least to prove his own point) with Episode 8. We're all here to watch HIM after all, so I suppose he felt it necessary to vent as a fanboy. Now. . . I say fanboy on purpose, because he of course drops as well as a lot of folks have in the comments "Only fanboys hate the film". I've seen that stupid statement leveled both ways "Only the fanboys love it" or "only the fanboys hate it", clickbait this, clickbait that. Oh well, glad he hearted your comment though.
People just called him out for his bullshit. It being the main point of the video is irrelevant. If you say some stupid shit with some other content in between you still said some stupid shit. I have a lot of respect for Austin's content, and I'm really disappointed to see him stoop to the level of categorizing all criticism as clickbait for ad revenue and create a blatant false dilemma between the two groups of people that didn't like the new movies. It's a horribly dishonest tactic, and whether or not he liked the movie, he should know better. I will continue to watch his videos, just as long as things like this don't become a pattern. I hope this is an anomaly on an otherwise consistently honest channel.
@@ozunaredch.7159 well, he's absolutely right. You may like or hate the film, but you can't freaking argue that SW fans took it to goddamn extremes. Making video one after another for months without an end. It's a movie, you watch it, you criticize it, you move on. You don't spend months bashing one film and those who liked it, that's just pathetic. Worst movie ever made? Freaking seriously?
Nunya bizness Well, hindsight is 20/20 But if you cared about star wars storytelling as a whole, you could do for analyzing all stories and not just Last Jedi because it ‘sucks’. Crystal Star isnt terrible, at least as a novel. As a Star Wars book however? I dont know where to start.
Firescreen Productions you forgot the part where he started the video off by calling the people who didn't like it sensationalist fanboys with bad opinions. why would they not defend themselves amd their beliefs if he opened up the video attacking them
I ran this book by my trekie friend and they rated it a 4.5 out of 10 on the silly scale for star trek with 10 being “actual genocide” and 1 being the episode “spock’s brain” with the dragon being the thing that made it definitively sillier than your usual star trek episode
Crystal Star didnt divide the fanbase, lose fans and money for the franchise, then have the writer and publishers call fans idiots for not liking it.True Crystal Star is really weird compared to TLJ, but it was how Disney handled the backlash that made it worse.The franchise was pretty intact after Crystal Star cause not too many people cared or read it.TLJ was Episode 8 for crying out loud!You cant compare a irrelevant novel to a much anticipated, massive build up movie, its just not the same!That being said, im down for a purple 3P0!
Latvian Dragon Are you fucking kidding? I hate TLJ, but The Holiday Special (and fuck it, Ill add Attack of the Clones.) are the two worst things to have ever happen to star wars.
TLJ was a huge disrespect to the fans of the franchise.This book has alot problems but that's just it, it's a _Book_ . TLJ is a _Movie_ and I expected alot more from it.
Nobody back then knew for sure what the term "Dark Lord of the Sith" meant, so they called dark side force users "Dark Jedi" and the prequels established the Sith are an quasi Anti-Jedi order.
This book at least had the excuse of Waru and weird radiation to justify Luke acting so weird, without that excuse it would just be cultural vandalism like TLJ, but on a blessedly smaller scale. Nor does it have an excuse for Leia being a damn fool about trading a few bombers with what, 24 crew put together for a nearly 8km long dreadnought. And no, Holdo's plan made no sense, given "Decloaking Scans" apparently exist and keeping it secret was literally moronic. (Plus the First Order were also acting really dumb, so the whole chase felt like a contest on who could be SLIGHTLY less stupid.) And that's not getting into the problems I have with it as a tech head, or the aesthetic choice of the flat dreadnought.
It's clear that a lot of people didn't watch the whole video before writing their comment, so allow me to explain it to you: He's not saying it wrong to think the Last Jedi was bad, he's saying its objectively wrong to say TLJ is the WORST Star Wars story or the WORST movie ever. He is advocating against the use of hyperbolic click bate and calling for more calm and level-headed discussions.
If we can't be outraged by everything & have an unwarranted sense of self importance we might as well just build a time machine & go back to the 90s...I will not go back to card catalogue at the library!!!!
You're right, people should watch an entire video before writing comments and TLJ is obviously not the worst movie ever made. But there's nothing wrong with people saying it's the worst Star Wars movie if they believe it's the worst. Bandwagons aside, if they think it's the worst, for whatever reason, they're entitled to that opinion. So how is that objectively wrong?
I do not disagree with anything you said here. That is why I said "WORST Star Wars story" not "WORST Star Wars movie." If this is people's least favorite Star Wars movie, that is fine but its just wrong to think this is lowest Star Wars writing has gone (do I have to bring up the Holiday Special).
The timothy zahn and x-wing/rogue squadron/wraith squadron books were some of my favorites, I just picked up these books from used bins and immersed myself in this universe. Can't believe I only found the good books.
@@SonofSethoitae oh I agree it's dark as hell and is BLOODY I was a teenager when it was coming out so of course I liked it AND it's SSSSOOOO different from the Jedi vs. Sith/Rebel vs. Empire deals that had come before. I do get why some don't want that
It's worth knowing that while there are plenty of bad EU books out there, there's also a substantial amount of good ones like the Heir to the Empire trilogy by Timothy Zahn (as well as basically all the other Star Wars books Zahn has written), Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover, Labyrinth of Evil by James Luceno, Plagueis by James Luceno, Kenobi by John Jackson Miller, Ahsoka by E.K. Johnston, and many others that I haven't mentioned.
The main problem is that the vast majority of the EU really was not very good or interesting, there were just THAT many novels released that were total garbage that the actual good ones stand out.
@@misterscienceguy > was not very good Both Kotor games, kotor comic series, Legacy, Legacy vol. 2, Dawn of the Jedi, Knight Errant, SW Republic, SW Dark Times, TFU novelization, Jedi Council Acts of War, Blood of Empire, SWTOR Inquisitor, Jedi Knight, Imperial Agent and Sith Warrior campaigns, Decieved, Anihilation, Tales of the Jedi, Republic Commando, Original Clone Wars cartoon, various short stories from SW tales (only canon ones), Cloak of Deception, Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, Cloak of Deception, The Dark Lord Trilogy, Revan, The Third Lesson, Darth Plagueis, Darth Bane trilogy, the Cestus Deception, Jango Fett game, Jango Fett: Open Seasons, Star Wars: Jedi, the Thrawn trilogy, Dark Forces series, Jedi Academy game, Empire at War, Traitor, Jango Fett and Zam Wessel one shots, SWTOR trailers (they are canon in old EU), Shatterpoint, Kenobi, I Jedi and a lot more post-Endor stories that I haven't read.
Oh, God - that 'Luke falls in love with a force ghost' story. I can't even begin to say how much I hated that story. How the Hell does a force ghost haunt a computer? Or possess a recently dead body? Or change said corpse's hair and eye color? I mean, how could he look at her and not be reminded of his pupil?
SquillagusNiggle - I know what you're implying; and looking at her would be included in that. I suppose the eye/hair color change was supposed to make Callista (ghost Jedi) look different from Cray (the corpse); but I can't imagine the physical changes to be all *that* significantly different from one another that Luke wouldn't be reminded of his former apprentice every time he slept with her. Unless he had a secret thing for Cray; but I don't think he ever had. Also, wouldn't this be like - double necrophilia? Callista was dead for 60 years - leaving only her fading ghost behind, and Cray had to die in order for Callista's ghost could inhabit her corpse. All the living, breathing females that Luke could have had at that time - he chose the living dead girl; which was all for naught, as Callista later ditched him because she felt inferior without her (light) Jedi powers and went on a quest to get it back. Thank God that relationship fell through and he found love with Mara Jade.
There is also a line in that book that refers to Luke and Calista as being more like brother and sister than lovers. It was so truly bizarre that I have never forgotten it in the last 15 years.
Looking up book reviews, I found one that gave solid reasons why the Children of the Jedi sucked so much (in regards to Luke's romance with Callista, anyway). I'd link it here; but - for whatever reason - the link won't post here (if you'd like to read it - look up 'Fuck Yeah, Mara Jade! Luke introduces Callista to Leia' - the review will be the second post down). A quick summary - Luke was in no proper state of mind to be falling in love with anyone; as he was hopped up on strong painkillers after crippling his leg and thinking that losing Callista - someone he barely knew - would be worse than all the previous hardships he had ever face, and the women (namely, Cray and Callista) are painted as women who can't survive without a man by their side (Cray committed suicide so she could be with her dead lover and Callista accepted Cray corpse s she could be with Luke). It doesn't help that Calllista is an insufferable Mary Sue, either.
"If you took the time to translate this, I take my nerd hat off to you. Thanks for being awesome, viewer, and don't forget to smash that like button" I'm fluent in Aurebesh. I translated it as it was zipping across the screen.
And then he wanted to fuck Leia, because in the EU that's what all jerkass imperials want. And then he got disintegrated by a robot decoy of Leia, with laser eyes.
You should check out CinemaWins. He's like the opposite of CinemaSins, and his tagline is "Because liking things is more fun than not liking things." His videos have made me rethink my opinions on certain movies while others made me appreciate movies even more than I already did. He's done videos on every Star Wars film accept The Last Jedi, which I'm sure he'll get around to.
Is it because Luke basically falls in love with a corpse, because people mention depraved sexual shit all the time and it doesn't scar me at all thanks to that.
austinmcconnell So you like Rogue Squadron but dislike the obscure comic from 24 years ago? What kind of biased review is this? TLJ literally make the core fanbase drop the franchise, and practically marginalized the old fanbase by those "liberal" title clickbait journalism. Pushing an sjw agenda is not on your calculation? Tell me what happened to SJW agenda in Marvel comics? Marvel comics also contain some of the dumbass storyline ever especially from new SJW comics (captain america became Nazi btw, as muhh "white guilt syndrome"). Its soo bad until the they need to beg people to buy their comics and finally decided to reboot the franchise. Even if comics are bad, Marvel film still can produce great film by its own merit. For example the infinity war comics. The ending for Thanos defeat is the most stupidest way for comics book villain. Thanos shaking the earth to shake off Avengers, slipped and the infinity gauntlet fell off his hand. Another universe, Thanos defeated by Nebula as she steal the infinity gaunlet. Do the infinity war 2 will follow exactly verbatim like this ending? Of course not. The films can take inspiration but at the sametime, can have leeway if the storyline more epic than the comics (infinity war 1, age of ultron, civil wars). So why Marvel film can show homage to comics or take inspiration from comics book, but not Star Wars? By not using any EU ideas, the universe of Star Wars already finite and small, as the universe only consist of Resistance and the First Order. Nothing else. No wonder it feel small than Marvel universe. Rich Evans from Redlettermedia also said the same thing. Star Wars (Disney Nuwars) only survive by nostalgia and references to original trilogy. It cannot survive beyond this universe, ie making something new. TLJ did nothing new in the film. Final confrontational on TLJ is almost the exact verbatim as the battle of hoth, only change few details. From snow planet to salt. Different design of At-at. Same giant big laser to destroy the base. And finally the heroes escape to safety. What crap are you talking about that TLJ bring something "new"? Even China, the most biggest movie consumer (stupid Transformer franchise did well because of China btw) fucking hate Star Wars. TLJ screening stop only after few weeks. Solo only get 10 millions. China is not too dumb to not recognize sjw propaganda (baizuo) as they live in one of the country that literally blast 24 hours state propaganda. I like your other works btw, but this came to me like you are trying to polish a shitty turd. Sorry. Im not US citizen btw. And congratz to Kennedy, for making general audience like me to not give a crap for new Star Wars.
kevin rodriguez No need to. Because the OP will outcast me as "title clickbait" just as how he did with other youtube review. Save your time from watching Star Wars. It is going downhill. Just watch Infinity war or better yet save your own money. The new Nuwars cartoon, Disney the force of destiny animation is an abomination and frankly insulting. A Star Wars the Clone Wars series animation are light years ahead than this shitty cartoon. Side note, I do notice he strawman the discussion about "what about giant yellow blob"? So what? Films != to comics. It is creative process and great story brainstorm that will lead to high quality film. Heck there are tons of stupid lame ass villians/characters in Marvel comics. Heck even Mandarin in Iron man 3 is not even verbatim Mandarin in comics.
Nick John I see your point, I honestly don't believe OP is strawmaning intentionally, he and many like him are just bothered by the echo chamber of hate the last Jedi is getting and a lot of it is exaggerated and undeserved, and are lashing out at the over saturation of THE LAST JEDI IS THE WORST BECAUSE OF Z or THE LAST JEDI IS SJW PROPAGANDA BECAUSE OF B type videos. And they have a point, the last Jedi is really not SJW propaganda and is definitely not the worse star wars film.
I initially loved The Last Jedi, but over time I've just come to realize how disappointed I am with the execution of some of the key thematic elements. I don't hate it and I certainly think that the majority of its detractors are exaggerating its flaws, but I just think it could've done a lot better.
I think the overwhelming majority of the movie was really nicely done, with a few elements that bog it down heavily. In the end, the movie lies somewhere as a 7/10 or something, above average but not really notable beyond that.
Anstign visually it's gorgeous and if all you want is eye candy it's there but all of that stuff doesn't really matter if there isn't a good story to back it up. I get that that's enough for people and it's fine. Glad you enjoyed it
My issue with TLJ is that it feels and was unplanned. Rian completely ignored Jj’s plot threads and it showed. Also the macro editing, scene to scene, was poorly put together and left me baffled to how Disney would let this pass.
ComiXProvider FTW_02 no it was bad because it dis not follow the spirit of star wars and was VERY politicized. Like every 2 minuetes you get a liberal agenda shoved in your face
Dragons are canon in Star Wars. Krayt Dragons. No need to fuss over it. Besides, Star Wars is a Space-FANTASY. If giant worms that live in asteroids don’t stretch your suspension of disbelief, then dragons shouldn’t either. Love your videos btw. I’d like to hear your opinions on The Last Jedi. You didn’t really articulate why you think it’s awesome.
Personally, I thought that it was a very suspenseful film that has some great art direction especially during the scene where Snoke's ship gets cut in half and the red and white aesthetic of that one moon (forgot the name). I actually felt worried for the cast of characters for once-- people actually were dying permanently in the new episodes, there were no random saviours coming to rescue everyone. Idk might just be my opinion.
Baldur That is alot of ad hominems in a single spot. Literally no one cares. Writers do whatever they want. Your argument that they are not Dragons because they dont follow the rules dragons have in fiction is just wonky. I hate TLJ, and EU has its bad material, but jesus man you are reaching.
El-ahrairah okay and this was originally a movie about space wizards so why can't we have space dragons anyway. not like they have to be medieval type dragons just dragons man
The hilarious part is that so many believed (and still believe) that George Lucas personally read and approved all of these books before they were published! The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy was pretty bad too. It was so bad that even other authors ripped on it in their books joking about Lando finding "that useless Quella thing"!
He didn't read them but the ideas they pushed had to be approved by him and his editors first and to be frank they're perfectly in line with George's goofy and Flash Gordon inspired writing style with the exception of the Del Rey books which took themselves way more seriously.
Black Fleet Crisis was... fine? Some of the stuff didn't connect, but individual parts were interesting and built up the universe. It also wrote Chewbacca in the most interesting way done. Really, the main criticism is that it probably should have been a 4-parter, not a 3-parter, Leia's completely out of character in the first book, and the Luke side story ends up feeling 'meh' with the hindsight of the prequels. But the books unironically write various aliens better than most books do.
@@gerlofsdonia4522 Most notable case of George personally shooting down an idea resulted in EU Chewie being killed. Writers wanted to kill off one of the big three to highlight how dire the situation was, George refused but let them kill Chewie instead. Ironic that he survived the Sequels when the big three all died.
@@Neiroe hell nah chief, kylo's confliction is a hell of a lot better-written than caedus. the legacy of the force series was terrible and was a total disservice to jacen's development in NJO, and it's an absolutely clunkfest owing to what seems like no communication between authors and karen traviss's mando-wank. the sequel trilogy's got problems (TROS made dark empire WORSE, somehow) but adam driver's performance and his light dynamic with leia in TFA and TLJ sells the character.
@@syukoshiomy Honestly, I'm glad most of Legends aren't canon. I mean, Luuke and Luuuke Skywalker? Chewbacca died because of a meteor? One OP Force User who could hold a Star Destroyer and beat BOTH Vader and Palpatine like it was nothing? And not to even mention the Solo siblings. There are many _very_ good things within Legends that I hope will be made canon someday (Kyle Katarn, The Old Republic-except Revan novels-, Plagueis, and others) but the bad outweighs the good, in my opinion. Canon Star Wars have some horrendous writing, sure, but many, if not most, of the canon EU are really well-written. Bloodline, Tarkin, Master and Apprentice, Vader comics, "Age of..." comics, and many, many more. I'm sure many "DiSnEy RuiNeD sTaR WaRs!!!1!!!" fans hadn't read some of the worst EU novels.
When you point out all the bad stuff the EU produced I think it actually shows why the EU model was a good one, it was very flexible in allowing the cream to rise to the top. When a property like Star Wars is no longer just three films that Lucas oversaw but a sprawling multimedia property like the EU or new Disney canon it is going to produce good and bad stuff at about the same rate. The thing about Disney is that they're explicitly going with everything is canon whereas in the old EU popular things like Thrawn, the X-Wing Series, Darth Bane etc. got built into the overall Star Wars mythos whereas unpopular stuff got thrown by the wayside. For a long running franchise that wants to do more then just endlessly try to recapture the magic of the OT this is a far stronger model then the Disney production line. Ask yourself this question once Disney stops making Star Wars movies will it still be a property that can sell millions of books like the EU did even before the prequels? Will anyone care about Disney Star Wars in 20, 30 or 40 years like we did pre Disney Star Wars? My money is on no.
Exactly. The EU (at least before Del Rey got the licensing rights to the novels) was composed of self-contained series. Don't like Dark Empire? Skip it. Don't like Darksaber? Skip it. You really only need the good parts to anchor in the overall story. Even after Del Rey got licensing rights, the EU still had a canon hierarchy superior to the current one. The movies come first, then TV shows like The Clone Wars, then everything else, then pre-Heir to the Empire stuff and alternate video game endings, then explicitly non-canon stuff like Star Wars Infinities. If instead of just decanonizing the EU, Disney had used the old canon hierarchy, they could make the sequel trilogy however they want, and only the parts of the EU that would raise too many questions for casual fans (like the NJO series and beyond), while leaving the less problematic stuff like the Thrawn Trilogy intact.
Seriously though this all sounds like the author was under the delusion they were making a book for the Star TREK franchise....but they get a call from their publishers reminding them that their “Star WARS” book is due to be put through print in a week, then the author went “Wait..STAR WARS?!? Awwww FUC-!!!”
This review aged like milk. Yeah the book was bad, but comparing the critique of a one-off book of a fringe author to a multi-billion dollar film trilogy's critique is a bit biased.
LISTEN UP KIDDOS! It is okay to like or dislike a thing- a piece of media, cuisine, weather pattern. Your enjoyment of this thing does not need to be based on its merits- perceived, objective, or otherwise. You are free to like or dislike Mozart, Justin Bieber, hot dogs, paella, cargo shorts, designer gowns or anything else your heart desires. If you do not like something, that does not make it the worst thing ever. If you can perceive the merits of something, you may still dislike it. If you think something is objectively bad, you are still truly and honestly free to like it. NONE OF THESE THINGS MAKES YOU A SELL-OUT, AN IDIOT, AN ELITIST, OR A SNOB. Only when you declare your opinion to another and demand that they hold it as well or submit to being an awful person do you place yourself in the wrong. The people who dislike this movie are not just salty fanboys. The people who like it are not just mindless drones. Only those who demand that you share their opinion are the problem. THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST VALUABLE THING I HAVE EVER LEARNED.
USApatriot30 Damn man, that was deep, and true. And because of that literally no one will pay attention to it on the internet. Except me and like 4 other people.
USApatriot30 Your comment is pure and true. I've seen shitheads online say "If you DON'T like TLJ you're not a true fan and just a hater." What kind of shit is that? So they didn't like the movie. That somehow makes them less of a fan then the next guy? GET OUT OF HERE.
Just a side note (cause I can't edit comments on my phone) I don't like TLJ, my friend has been called that for liking the movie, just felt like I should let you know that
A_Dissapointment That's perfectly fine! I didn't like all of the TLJ. I hated Holdo, Rose saving Finn, while I can see her reasoning, was stupid to me, and her kiss was cringe to me. But if anyone says you're "not a real fan" for disliking it, know that they are not valid.
I agree. After the Thrawn trilogy, I trying to read the EU books in chronological order and immediately gave up after I read Children of the Jedi. Seriously the plot summary is that The Emperor built a Super Star Destroyer...disguised as an asteroid...to kill a few children on a planet...yeah......
I would agree, but I have actually READ that one. ;-) Though by this videos description I would think that Crystal Star is not far behind. Sounds like a reject TNG episode to me.
Well, to be fair, there's a reason why people don't bash the Star Wars Holiday Special as much as they bash the sequels or the prequels: the Holiday Special is skippable, the sequels and the prequels aren't. In other words, skippable works don't count. You have to mention a book that's impossible to ignore if you want the full storyline. So if I were to critique the old Expanded Universe, I wouldn't go after the Crystal Star. I'd go after either the Jedi Academy Trilogy, The Courtship of Princess Leia, the Correlian Trilogy, The New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force, or Fate of the Jedi. Disclaimer: I'm not saying I personally hate any of those. I'm just pointing out which books are options for critique.
The difference between "The last Jedi" and "Crystal Star" is that the latter it a single, completely self-contained story that can easily be ignored when going through the EU-timeline. What happened in that book had absolutely no bearing on any of the next novels. Luke was back to normal after this filler-episode was over and I don't think Waru was ever even mentioned again. In short: As far as the bigger picture of the Expanded Univese went, "Crystal Star" *didn't matter.* Sorry for being so late to the party btw. I only just now discovered this vid.
"Would you really rather the show stop?" YES! Yes I would! I'd rather have a Star Wars release be an event, be something that doesn't come around all too often, be something that I can be excited about, rather than an annual release every year and supplemental material besides! I like Star Wars, but good god I'm gonna get and sort of have been burned out on it because there's so much of it. It's like video games, I don't care if your franchise is an annual release, in fact don't make it an annual release because a lot of the time more time to bake in the oven will give it something better, and even if something is good, sheer repeated exposure will put people off something. I like chocolate, but if you present me with a whole chocolate cake every day, then sooner or later I'm gonna not want to touch chocolate cake. I like Star Wars, but if you present me with a whole new release every month, or every year depending on how major it is, then sooner or later I'm gonna not want to touch Star Wars.
It's not the problem with the way the movies are being released. The Star Wars releases have always been constant. Since 1977 there was a constant Star Wars material coming out every year (movies, shows, novels, comics), and since 2000, we've basically been hit with new material every single day. It's just that the people didn't complain about it back then, because Star Wars was one of it's kind. Star Wars was the only franchise in the world with such type of world-building, mythology, characters and overall visual appearance. However, since 2010, Hollywood has evolved greatly, and Star Wars simply became just one of the many big epic franchises. These days, every big-budget blockbuster film is what Star Wars once was. That's why the people can't ''feel'' Star Wars anymore. It's not because there's too much of it, or because of franchise's recent lack of quality. Star Wars has simply been exceeded by modern Hollywood.
I’m glad to find out I’m not the only one thinking this. Release a good peice of content, or trilogy, or series. Then put it away to age like a fine wine.
I remember reading this novel back in 1995 or 1996 as an 11 or 12 year old, but I don't remember the actual plot. I only remember the title, the cover art, and the fact that it had 3 kids from Han Solo. This video was a total trip of reawakening. Mind blown.
People didnt like The Last Jedi for the same reason you didnt like Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. It’s not because The Last Jedi is different, it isn’t Star Wars. The Star Wars novels are supposed to experiment with new ideas, the movies are supposed to reflect the best parts of the Extended Universe, in my opinion.
I had forgotten all about this story. The writer being a Star Trek writer actually makes a lot of sense, Waru and the whole plot seems like it'd fit well in an original series Star Trek story.
I never watched it, I was waiting for the dvd to rent, but all the hate from both sides at each other turned me away, like I dont if I can watch the movie without thinking about all the crap everyone has piped at me for months,and im lil bummed bout that, though hopes for solo, seeing as its getting goodish reviews, and no one seems mad.
Addyston Tucker Ray especialy cinematic failure is a weird way to phrase it. it followed the lore, had good production behind it and followed a 3 act sceme most movies follow. so its anything but that
I used to several shelves of Star Wars novels. I really enjoyed them. I kind of remember the Crystal Star, but the one I thought was odd was Splinter of the Mind's Eye, but it was written before Empire Strikes Back came out, so, the movie version of the characters weren't as fleshed out and no one knew that Leia and Luke were twins. I still have several Star Wars novels, but I had to downsize everything in my life, including my library, :( several years back and no longer have shelves of the novels. People don't know how lucky they are to have new Star Wars MOVIES available. I would go to my local used bookstore and hunt the shelves for Star Wars novels I hadn't read yet. I was in a weird limbo, I wanted to own the books so I didn't get them at the library, but I was too poor at the time to buy new copies. So I haunted the used bookstore. It proved better than buying new because I found novels that bookstores of new books might not have anymore. Like Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which was published around the time I was born.
the " theory about theories" one was actually about how all of the theorizing about the last jedi made it overhyped, and when people got answers about the things they were theorizing about they were not happy with them... Its actually quite a good watch.
1:00 No close parentheses? From this point onward I shall assume that every word you say is what resides in them parentheses, until you proclaim "close parentheses".
I feel like Luke’s character in TLJ makes sense. He’s just like anakin, an idealist. When Obi wan lost a student he planned and strategized, because that’s his character. Obi wan is a trained Jedi who does not act emotionally. Luke is the opposite. He has always acted emotionally, even after becoming a Jedi master in ROTJ. It just makes sense for him as an emotionally driven character to give up and runaway when he fails, especially without a master to guide him. I dunno. Just my opinion.
But where is the character growth? If he wasn't letting his impulsiveness behind he would have killed vader when he had It on the floor unarmed. Why there was a map to find him If he didn't want to be found?
Anakin was born into slavery and was taken from his mother from a young age, you can even see in the movie that the majority of the jedi had a very negative opinion of him, especially Mace Windu, he was marginalized. So it makes sense why he wasn't close to the Jedi Order unlike whatever happened to Luke Skywalker.
To be fair on the whole inter-dimensional blob thing, the post-Disney Han Solo comic is about Han enlisting in a space race and it ends with one of the alien characters being an inter-dimensional being that then escapes into his reality. So both the EU and Canon have characters a bit out of the norm. However, EU suffers from more inconsistencies and odd stories due to the larger availability of stories in comparison to canon. Granted, due to the same reason, EU also has greater stories as well.
Something that people don't realize often is that if a new director or someone makes a sequel or prequel to something else that they don't like, the original isn't ruined. It's still there. Chances are you have a copy of it on DVD or Disney+, you can watch it anytime you like. You can dislike the sequels all you want, but unless they somehow literally destroy every copy of the original, you still have that to enjoy.
I actually remember "The Courtship of Princess Leia," and I thought it was pretty good. But that was a long time ago and I don't remember much of it now.
Courtship of Princess Leia was one of my favorites when it first came out (though there weren't many SW options, so I might have partly liked it because I was so desperate for anything new). It showed a different side of Han. Leia struggling with political decisions. I liked the Hapans (mostly), probably the first time I'd heard of a matriarchal society...and it wasn't SJW about it, it was simply another way of doing things, and it worked for them. Kinda like real life. The stuff with Luke and the witches was neat, exploring a different viewpoint on the Force. Luke had some badass moments (maybe a little OP at the end, lol), yet he and Han weren't invincible like in many of the later books.
I think the point is more "stop this hyperbolic 'every new thing is the worst thing ever' mentality because it's an overreaction which makes people outside the fandom think you're weird and toxic." Which is true. You can criticise TLJ all you want, but the internet rage mob is more harmful than helpful.
On one hand, you've got a whack-ass fever dream of a forgotten book that doesn't make sense narratively, but at the end of the day you can go "well that was weird" and move on. On the other, you've got a badly written, horribly paced blockbuster movie that goes out of its way to discard interesting plot lines, kill off major characters, retcon lore and character and story development from previous movies, all in the name of shallow subversion that leads to nothing and ends with a fraction of narrative opportunities. Sure, TLJ might be objectively better written (not well, just better), but it does far more damage to the franchise, since it can't be overlooked as a strange one-off episode. You could tell a hundred better stories with the same characters after the book's end, but the movie gives them definitive closures and identities. Luke will forever be the pessimistic hermit with murderous intent, Rey will always be a shallow flawless Chosen One who gets every power handed to her, Snoke will never get actual characterization and Kylo will never move past his teen angst.
DejaVoodooDoll Rey never gets punished for her mistakes. Even when she does something stupid, she magically gets out of trouble by sheer luck or by overpowering her enemies with powers stronger than any other character. She never has to face her flaws, so they stop being flaws and become minor quirks. So Luke has always cared about his loved ones, yet now has an urge to kill his own nephew? I'm sorry, what??? The guy who refused to kill a genocidal warlord, who went against pragmatic Jedi teachings to save his friends, who rejected the idea that a Sith couldn't redeem himself? I'm not against Luke going dark, but that change would need to be actually developed in a believable way. The TLJ scene is so contrived and out of character in how it tries to cram a ton of development into a single moment, it's like the Martha scene from BvS.
DejaVoodooDoll Nive show of maturity by implying that calling out obvious plot holes and flaws is a sign of a fucking mental disorder, you fucking sped
Lol because the only way to achieve character growth is via exorcism. Treating the dark side like some sort of magical ghost that's responsible for anything evil the main characters do rather than it being an abstract concept representing the evil of human nature (like it always was) is just a very clever way to excuse bad writing.
Well probably because that wasn't the only thing hampering them. If they considered the test cannon, they would have to tip toe around all that. It would have been a massive headache for them, and fans. Imagine if the movies were beholden to some obscure one off comic? Also, to be fair, Lucas never considered the EU canon.
@@blitz8425 But to be fair, the movies and TV series already outranked everything else in the EU's canon hierarchy. So the solution would not have been to decanonize the EU, but simply make the movies however they want, then let Leland Chee figure out what's canon and what's not.
@@blitz8425 Even if Lucas didn't considered the EU canon because it didn't fit his vision for what Star Wars should be it was produced and licensed by Lucasfilm and was part of the official Star Wars canon. And the EU does correspond to George Lucas vision for Star Wars more than the Disney canon because back in the old EU Lucas was involved in shaping the stories by allowing certain things and vetoing some author's ideas. He is even the one that got the idea for the main villains of the Fate of the Jedi series and the Dark Empire comics.
@@luluflu1140 no the EU was never canon. Lucas himself said so multiple times. He allowed the stories to exist but always maintained that the EU was explicitly non canon.
I get what you're saying that there are worse things than the Last Jedi but that doesn't mean the Last Jedi wasn't shit. To point to this (as interesting as it was) is whataboutism. You ask what we want and if we want it to end, no we don't (I actually liked TFA) we want better movies because we know Star Wars can do better.
Larry Smith, thanks Larry for that suggestion and that's exactly what I did - I didn't watch Solo and so did many others. Solo now has the distinct honor of being the first Star Wars movie to be a box office bomb. Even then though I can still talk and complain about it as much as I like. I love Star Wars and if you think I'm just going to be quiet while Rian and Kathleen take a steaming shit on it and slap the words "cannon" to it, then I'll call it out for what it is.
Larry Smith - Star Wars is George Lucas' story. From Episode I through Episode VI, George was the guy who did the story treatments. Yes, his films _were_ better than The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. You cannot deny the fact that The Sequel Trilogy is merely corporate sponsored fan-fiction because, by definition, that is LITERALLY JUST WHAT IT IS. I would take a flawed Sequel Trilogy from a visionary with an actual story to tell over literally NOTHING any day of the week.
WackySwacky Dude I hate the people who criticize other people for criticizing things. That’s like saying “if you don’t like racism, don’t read about it then! Stop complaining.” It’s he stupidest thing ever. The only way that the films are going to get better is if they get feedback and improve on it.
Draegoth Facts are objective, opinions are subjective. So yeah, saying an opinion is wrong is just a stupid statement. But it‘s even more stupid to say it‘s your opinion that opinions can be wrong, because you can‘t just turn objective facts into something subjective. It’s like saying: „In my opinion air doesn’t exist.“ Except if you’re joking....
I read this book in 1994. The Last Jedi and Crystal Star are about on par with each other by how godawful they were. Why? At least Crystal Star wasnt important to the plot at all. It can be ignored. However The Last Jedi was essential and could never be ignored. They're both the worst stories in their timelines. Ones just stupid, the other purposefully ruined characters and ended plotlines on a whim set up by The Force Awakens. Only time will tell if Rise of Skywalker is worse, on par, or better than these two travesties. I'm leaning about on par based on the leaks but haven't seen it yet, so who knows.
