The Wrestling Degenerates 2 

The Velveteen Dream one hurt me the most because he was my favorite NXT wrestler before things fell off.

How ironic was Aleister Black’s words after that match. “Enjoy infamy, Velveteen Dream.”

You know you had potential when John Cena himself said he'd share the ring with you. Doggone shame how Dream dug his own grave.

I think it's safe to say that Velveteen Dream was the most heartbreaking one, he was loved by everyone and he just threw it all away.

You gotta talk about Tessa Blanchard next. Her downfall was truly something to behold.

Velveteen Dream just makes me sad, he had it all to be a main event star for years to come, and threw it all away. What a damn shame

You also had Travis Banks. A guy who had a VERY questionable relationship with his 17 year old trainee (Millie McKenzie). And he harassed and stalked her continuously when she tried to end things.

The Velveteen one still hurts. I really liked his work in WWE. At first I didn't like his character but then he grew on me... It's a real shame this happened

I try to forget about Dream because it makes me so mad how he could've had it all and just ruined it.

The whole letting Chasyn train minors seems like another case just waiting to happen. It also makes me side eye the parents a bit cause I get wanting to support your kids dream but straight up letting them train under a registered offender is….a choice.

"Shoplifting Protein Powder" I spat my coffee on my phone 💀💀 I did not expect to hear that! 😂😂

The Chasyn Rance one is weird because there are a lot of wrestlers who still keep in touch with him, hang out with him, and will openly block fans who tweet why they hang out with him. An alarming amount of wrestlers in WWE and AEW too. Look it up. Its weird..

Rance is very well connected in the Florida wrestling scene.

Paige/Saraya literally told Patrick Clark that his over-inflated ego would be his downfall in the business while he was on Tough Enough. She seen it coming a mile away.

Hannibal or "blood hunter" should be on a future episode

funny how cornette went radio silent about michael elgin but if omega so much as sneezes the wrong way, he’ll yell about it from the mountain tops

I remember when I first watched ROH in around 2013 or so. Elgin was one of the wrestlers I loved the most. Anarchy's Son was a straight banger, and his presentation was cool. A shame that he went crazy

The fact Rance was smiling on that rap sheet is disturbing

Thanks for covering Elgin as I didn’t really know the story. Love the series keep it up

I wasn’t a fan of Velveteen Dream at all but it was surprising that he was like that.. these days you can’t put anything past anyone no matter how much one likes him…

Dream was one of the great homegrown talents of the golden era of NXT. Wish things went differently

What Yoshiko Hirano did to Act Yasukawa should definitely be included on the next video. I couldn't believe what I was watching when it happened and have not been able to watch it again.

Velveteen Dream was going to be the Prince of WWE but man. . . Talk about a disappointment

Velveteen Dream was incredibly over in nxt and now with triple h running things he would've been an enormous star but sadly he was his own worst enemy

Man I remember on Saturday night we were in the comments talking about Michael Elgin. You work quick much respect to you

When Elgin posted his RU-vid video about going away, I really thought he was going to end his life so I contacted every wrestler I know to contact him. He recently started posting again and since he follows me on IG I finally had a talk with him and he said he was going to end his life but couldn't leave his kid

I really enjoyed how informative this series is keep it up. Other channels like to brush over these types of stories but i appreciate the fact that this channel actually explains the situations.

This series is great. If there’s a 3rd one, I think you should talk about Jake Atlas and Hardbody Harrison.

I still vote for New Jack, since he tried to legitimately KILL two of his opponents in the ring before.

Patrick Clark had all the potential to be a mega star but blew it all away

New Jack and Lars Sullivan are two guys who deserve to be in one of these videos

yikes, that chasyn segment makes my skin crawl...

Loving this series. More of this please.

I worked with Elgin, and it's sad. He was a real nice guy in the back around 2008 but I honestly think the large amount of head injuries that have gone undiagnosed plus untreated mental health caused his downfall.

david starr and jordan devlin feel like they belong in the same episode

I love this idea as a monthly series, it’s awesome seeing how far your channel has come

I'm glad the Velveteen Dream one happened when it did. Would've been worse if he was around for longer and got more power in the WWE and more beloved by fans before this happened.

I remember Chasyn on season 3 of Tool Academy. He had been bragging about being a wrestler, and that he was so good and got so many girls because of it but he walked off the show because another contestant, a woman there with her gf, beat him in shoot wrestling. He got so butt hurt over it.

Imagine all the shit Elgin got into, and it's shoplifting that ends him. 🤣

I’m just waiting for Marty Scurll. Similar to dream he had an insane amount of potential as a younger star, but had to go and ruin it all with dumb choices.

holy shit the Chasyn thing is just nuts, how the fuck are people still fine with him being anywhere near minors

Bro good job because We needed this

Dude, this series is AWESOME. Once, again, well done!

I would say new jack, but like, everything about his brand of fuckernuts is well documented. That said, I would like to see one on Enzo Amore. I never really understood the whole situation with him, how much was accusation and how much actually happened, and I bet I'm not alone.

We need a part 3‼️

Ideas for a part 3: Alberto Del Rio Ryback Sunny Lars Sullivan

You should do a video on Darby allins allegations

I'm surprised you didn't mention the physical abuse allegations by Elgins current girlfriend, the restraining order byhis ex wife, MsCheif and his disappearance and attempted suicide.

Yes so glad this video is out! Please keep them coming very interesting

Isn't Chasyn the guy who send a few wrestling rings for AEW because he is a friend of Kenny Omega?

I went to high school with Patrick, we were a grade apart. He was someone I considered a friend-- that ended up going sideways, but I never suspected him to be that kind of guy.

The sign I knew Elgin was in trouble. Winning the Never Openweight Championship only to lose it a few days later.

Buck Zumhofe is one you could probably talk about. You could also do this wrestler named James “Jim” Brown. He wrestled under the names James Wallace & “Flawless” Jay Phoenix. Long story short, let’s just say he had some flaws…

wow i didnt thought i'd get part two so fast after the last video.

I'm still mad at velveteen dream for going out the way he did. what a way to throw your future out the window.

Drake wuertz, del rio, david starr, tessa, jaxson ryker, ryback, amd possibly cm punk but theres a lot more especially 80s to 90s

Killer series thus far keep it up man.

I recommend everybody's favorite chinless wonder for an episode on here. It's a James Ellsworth that I'm referring to

tessa blanchard,austin aries and marty scurll should be the next episode

You should definitely talk about Marty Scurll next. I see people say to bring him back to promotions for too often considering what he did.

The Speaking Out gang should be next. Starr, Scurll, and the like. Could get a whole episode just from June 2020 lol

If you´re doing more of these, you should do ones on Abdullah the Butcher (for giving at least one other wrestler Hepatitis C on purpose and ruining his life), Bruiser Bedlam (for being a hardcore gang member that actually murdered people) and Rob Black from XPW (for trying to have one of his own wrestlers killed, after he left his company, along with many other horrible deeds). Compared to the wrestlers from the old days, today´s wrestlers are angels in comparison.

Even John Cena praised Velveteen Dream, you know you’re something special when John Cena praises you and even wanted to have a future Wrestlemania match. That just sucks looking back now.

Dream broke my heart, talk about talent gone to waste.

That last dude......WHAT THE HECK!?!? How are people okay with that? He must be very well connected or something because that's just weird how he's getting away with that and people know!!

For the next video could you talk about Travis Banks and his abuse towards Mille McKenzie. I find it sickening that he's still wrestling in small tier indie promotions in Mexico, just like Chasyn Rance! P.S. Love your content big fan!

The holy algorythm brought me to this and Part 1, nice work. You got yourself 2 likes and a new sub, kind Sir. Will check your other videos out. Keep up the good work.

Great Video. I think you should talk about New Jack!!

People asking for New Jack and Grizzly Smith, there are entire episodes of DotR on them..

love this series!!!

Don’t forget to include Nia Jax, Nash Carter/Zachery Wentz, and even Nick Gage, I guess

PART 3 PLEASE, I love it when the wrestlers are so sussy

Great Stuff Mr T.

Velveteen Dream would have been a star if he’d have kept the Velveteen Peen put away.

The last one is the most important one as it's an ongoing situation and needs to be pointed out.

Bruh I watched the first one right before I slept and now I wake up and see this 😂

Fabulous Moolah. Jake Roberts' dad. Buzz Sawyer.

The Velveteen Dream one still pisses me off he was one of my favorites, he had all the tools to be a top guy in WWE and he pissed it all away.

Disturbing stuff about team vision dojo. That a convicted sex offender would be allowed to train a 16 year old girl. Not many comments about that. Very disappointing all around.

LESSSGOOOOOO PT2!!!!

I'm surprised that you didn't bring up the Rance and Teddy Hart connection. You should look into that one. Unfortunately i don't remember the details to well, but I know it was on youtube

Cool video Tom, keep doing these 💯

Chasyn writes those statements himself and pretends that it’s someone on his “team”. It’s the worst kept secret in the business. He also had a signed form bc his rich connected wine mommy got the judge to give him the special privilege of allowing him to work with children. I actually met the guy trying to find somewhere to train without knowing his story. He’s up front about it happening, but seems to me that he diminishes the severity of his actions IMO. If he just didn’t work with minors. I really wouldn’t care that much although I think he’s gross. If he’s training adults that’s fine. The fact he’s still training MINORS is unacceptable to me.

Please do a video on Matt "Doink" Bourne. He deserves alot more recognition. Very good technical wrestler.

This is going to be interesting.

If I may play devil's advocate here for a second: There is a grey area of Speaking Out. I'm not condoning any disgusting action but there are some people out there who just want to see people's lives and careers go up in flames. There have been multiple ALLEGED accusations against many wrestlers including Jordan Devlin, Jimmy Havoc, Wolfgang, Darby Allin, Kongo Kong, Scotty Davis, Will Ospreay and others and, apart from Havoc as he retired, they've all resumed their wrestling careers and are still wrestling today in some capacity. While some were justified and allegations have proven to be true through admittion such as the cases with Paul Robinson and Travis Banks, a lot of them were just accused and then the wrestler threatened legal action, then they were either suspended or taken off TV or simply nothing happened and the kept on going with their career. All I'm saying is that while many wrestlers have quite rightly been exposed and have admitted their actions, there are many allegations that have little evidence or simply none at all to back it up and hence we don't know the full extent of them, if they happened at all. Maybe you can discuss this in your next Degenerates video.

Part 3 really needs to cover New Jack's activities,otherwise isn't Chasyn Rance's wrestling school connected to I Believe In Wrestling,an indie wrestling fed that is managed by ex-MLW Radio flagship show co-host MSL(alias Mr. Jared St. Laurent),a close buddy of MLW's Court Bauer.

David Starr, Marty Jannetty, Jimmy Havoc

Could we get an episode on Mike Quackenbush?

Have you considered doing an episode on less contemporary wrestlers, such as; Buddy Lee, Grizzly Smith, Fabulous Moolah and Terry Gavin.

How does a sex offender work with minors when the law states you cant when on the registry that is so sick

Everyone seems to forget Rob Feinstein lost ROH because he got busted in a local tv sting where he was coming to meet a minor boy. He still runs RF Video. 🤦‍♂️

Idea for part 3. Dustin McPhetridge (if you know, you know)

So turns out that during the house show run before he became the velveteen dream his gimmick was that he was a Donald trump supporter

You know what, I can forgive someone who learned from their mistakes but when that mistake is being a sexual predator against CHILDREN and then you barely even get punished for it? Nah dude.

I wanted to train at real vision in Orlando cause it’s the best for my price range and it’s the closest but I don’t wanna work with that creep ever

Maybe you could divide future installments of this into specific degeneracy: Sex pests Violent psychopaths Bank-addicted drug robbers Screwers of the business Ryback

It's almost like Rance being arrested, convicted, and going through all those steps somehow exonerated him in a way that it all still hanging over Joey Ryan or Velveteen Dream hasn't. Not saying I approve, but it's interesting.

Velventeen Dream one is sad and hurts for me cuz he was one of my favourites and had future world champion all over him into it was all revealed

okay that last part caught me wayy off guard. how can someone be this shameless bro like wtf.