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These 7 types of Antagonist Can Save Your Novel 

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@libertymasterchief
@libertymasterchief Месяц назад
Everybody always says that we need to see the backstory or some slimmer of good nature to make us feel bad or care about the villain. While these villains are good, like Thanos, we forget about some truly great all evil villains because we see their power or the fear they instill in others, like Sauron, Joker from Dark Night, or White Witch from Narnia
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 Месяц назад
Can an antagonist be the main character? can he be good?
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
Yeah. Sympathetic villains are criminally overrated
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 Месяц назад
@@matityaloran9157 i disagree. I think its better than just no morals villian. Less depth
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
@@jmgonzales7701 Many of the greatest works of fiction ever written would not exist if the writers had insisted on making every villain a sympathetic figure
@forkfighter
@forkfighter 10 дней назад
@@jmgonzales7701 By definition, he'd be the protagonist, because the story is focused on him. "Antagonist" doesn't always mean evil. It simply means to go against the protagonist. But, there are plenty of stories where the focus is on some evil dude ( "Deathnote" comes to mind). And there's plenty of stories where the antagonist becomes redeemed.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
6:57, not every villain needs to be sympathetic. Some can be dog-kicking child-harming overly boorish diabolical fiends.
@Acro_YT
@Acro_YT 15 дней назад
Just like Dio Brando from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
@sourov3122
@sourov3122 Месяц назад
villains are the one carrying this show people do not give enough respect to today 99% of the antagonist of become bad and now people carrying for the old days
@acetofresh1
@acetofresh1 2 месяца назад
This is a very good video, sifting down antagonists into archetypes that viewers can understand. Solid stuff!
@andre_santos2181
@andre_santos2181 Месяц назад
4:55 - this is absolutely correct. I started to go more on the motivations of my antagonist and he became a tragic hero, destined tonne defeated by the protagonist.
@PhoenixCrown
@PhoenixCrown 9 дней назад
I love your example of Magneto being partial antagonist. Book 2 in my series will have this because the rebels who saved the MCs in book 1 turn out to want to share the power the bad guys possess... but only with their people, effectively depriving the planet of magic. The MCs won't allow this half measure and there will be some great conflict when they come to the realization that they're at odds with the people who rescued them. Like Prof X and Mag, they have a shared goal of taking the power from the maegi, but they disagree on where it should go. Thanks for the video!
@BirdMorphingOne
@BirdMorphingOne 2 месяца назад
We obviously don’t need the Night King as he’s not a real character in the books lmao. But I get your point
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
7:05, Once Upon a Time found out the hard way that backstory will only make your villain sympathetic to a point. Also, for the record, there’s nothing wrong with a villain being unsympathetic.
@guyriddihough
@guyriddihough Месяц назад
Great reminders and some clever addition insights. Thx!
@xoso599
@xoso599 Месяц назад
Wining a Noble Prize in math would be extremely impressive.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
The actual movie he’s referencing uses the phrase “Field’s Award” which actually is for mathematics
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
6:49, I know you said “rule of thumb” rather than hard and fast rule but Finley in The Diamond Lens by Fitz James O’Brien is a villain and the protagonist. Ditto for Macbeth in Shakespeare’s Macbeth
@PAPicturesOfficial
@PAPicturesOfficial 2 месяца назад
You should have more view in this video. It's simply amazing!
@JollyGreenComics
@JollyGreenComics Месяц назад
Great vid. Thank you.
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Glad you liked it! You're very welcome.
@ianbrewster8934
@ianbrewster8934 2 месяца назад
That's great advice 😃
@ColonelFredPuntridge
@ColonelFredPuntridge 15 часов назад
One of my favorite villains who resemble the protagonist is the principal villain in the James Bond movie LICENSE TO KILL- the South American drug lord Frans Sanchez (Robert Davi).
@maybelore
@maybelore Месяц назад
3:40 um, should I rethink having the book I'm writing be my first one? A lot happens in it so it's going to be long, there are multiple antagonists and I'm somewhat against turning it into a series. This could just be how I write since I like going in depth and exploring a lot of the concepts I introduce. My mom keeps comparing me to Victor Hugo, what should I do?
@hairohukosu433
@hairohukosu433 26 дней назад
You should write the damn book
@maybelore
@maybelore 26 дней назад
@@hairohukosu433 okay I will, I was only asking that question as an excuse to procrastinate, like I am doing now!
@cosmicspacething3474
@cosmicspacething3474 16 дней назад
The ally antagonist can also be on a more gradual downward spiral, rather than doing a twist betrayal
@benjaminwarner1839
@benjaminwarner1839 19 дней назад
He is dancing, dancing, he says that he will never die.
@YouilAushana
@YouilAushana 5 дней назад
1:51 - would the inner antagonist be like in fight club? Where the story might be in his head.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
7:00, There is no chance whatsoever of Arthur Fleck, as portrayed in the so-called Joker movie, could conceivably become a threat to Batman. He’s not the Joker, he’s just a broken man who lashed out when bad things happen to him. Which is a fine thing to make a movie about but isn’t The Joker.
@mathiaswittinger2808
@mathiaswittinger2808 Месяц назад
I have got a really complex one here. Still storyboarding so nothing concrete yet. The premise is that the protagonist falls from grace in essentially a military dictatorship, so here’s antagonist #1 the state (antagonist entity), since he’s a fugitive. Before his fall he was friends with the leader of the country, who in essence wants the best for his country and resorts to harsh methods to achieve the best solutions he can imagine striving for equality etc. So antagonist #2 the good antagonist. The leader has a close advisor, who is especially cunning and brilliant, a Tywin Lannister type guy with even less emotions over all. He manipulates virtually all of his environment including the leader to gain more power. In the end he is also the reason for your downfall. Theres antagonist #3, definitely a villain. Then there is a side antagonist siding with #3 also a villain, scientist also striving for power, but through knowledge instead of manipulation. He will need more fleshing-out still 😅 And last but not least there is the protagonists mentor, who played all sides of the conflict for his own ends. Without getting into too much detail of world building here. He will be the final twist since the protagonist wont suspect anything. For now he is the one i need to work on the most. In the end i believe the hero must loose or else the whole story becomes unbelievable. For someone to have played all sides, to be revealed virtually in his triumph, to loose just like that would be strange. Its pretty much ambitious to say the least 😂
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 Месяц назад
Can an antagonist be the main character? can he be good?
@mathiaswittinger2808
@mathiaswittinger2808 Месяц назад
@@jmgonzales7701 By definition I would say no, since that would make him the protagonist (main character), the antagonist is by definition the main counterpart of the protagonist. Moral alignment has little to do with that.
@stgr6669
@stgr6669 Месяц назад
"All villains are antagonists..." I think that's wrong. A villain can be very well the protagonist. Take Michael Crichton's "Great Train Robbery" for example: Edward Pierce is clearly the protagonist, as he organizes the heist and is in almost every scene. We might admire him for being smart and daring, but he is a villain with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He is a rich man with the goal of getting richer and he uses and abuses poor people to reach his goals. Just think about what he does to Clean Willy or to that little girl he sells to Fowler!
@andreww4751
@andreww4751 Месяц назад
Yea or Tony Soprano.
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 Месяц назад
Can an antagonist be the main character? can he be good?
@stgr6669
@stgr6669 Месяц назад
@@jmgonzales7701Everyone is the protagonist of his or her own story and can be the antagonist of somebody else's story. It just depends on the perspective. Depending on how the story is told, there can be one character whom the author clearly designed as the main character. Or there can be several characters whose perspectives are interesting and the reader decides who the main character is. (As a reader, I may even refuse to accept the author's concept and see the story of a side character as more interesting, thus more important. So I make this "my main character".) Shall we call this main character (no matter if chosen by the author or the reader) always the protagonist? I think, this depends on the plot. If there is someone who actively drives the story forward, we may call this person the protagonist and the one on the opposite the antagonist, even if we follow the latter. Isn't in a typical crime scenario the murderer the protagonist and the detective the antagonist? The former is also often the person with the character arc, while the latter stays the same. Nonetheless we may not even know who the murderer (thus the protagonist) is until the final page.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
Not all villains are antagonists. Frank Underwood is a villain and a protagonist in House of Cards.
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 Месяц назад
@@matityaloran9157 can u be the main character, good guy but antagonist as well?
@dawnkravagna3200
@dawnkravagna3200 23 дня назад
Like the comment: “Both can’t get what they want.” Has me thinking.
@mischarowe
@mischarowe 26 дней назад
Regarding #1: Ally Antagonist. Would this type of antagonist still count if it's a secret antagonist? Someone who one of the protagonists trusts &/or reveres, who turns out to be the main villain, meanwhile another one (kind of a red herring but not really, since they are a bad guy) who is more flamboyant, steals the stage in essence, as the villain until the main one is revealed. Edit: yes I know the Multiple Antagonists is more accurate but I'm curious about the ally one (mentor-ish in this case too).
@shootingstars6762
@shootingstars6762 19 дней назад
Sounds like you're describing a twist villain.
@mischarowe
@mischarowe 19 дней назад
@@shootingstars6762 But is a twist villain applicable with multiple villains?
@shootingstars6762
@shootingstars6762 19 дней назад
@mischarowe Yes, you can have multiple kinds of villains and antagonists within your story.
@NixityNullt
@NixityNullt Месяц назад
Bold of you to assume being evil and being likable are mutually exclusive.
@futurestoryteller
@futurestoryteller 2 месяца назад
Ayn Rand. LMFAO
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
Her books sold well.
@futurestoryteller
@futurestoryteller Месяц назад
@@matityaloran9157 I've never heard that, but I don't think anyone assumes they sold well for literary reasons
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
@@futurestoryteller Maybe they didn’t but then the question is did a bunch of people just spontaneously become Objectivists or was there something that Rand said or did which resonated with people (for some reason)?
@futurestoryteller
@futurestoryteller Месяц назад
@@matityaloran9157 Sounds like you're insinuating that objectivists weren't buying her books because they already were objectivists
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 Месяц назад
@@futurestoryteller I’m insinuating something far stranger than that. I’m insinuating that, since she created the philosophy of Objectivism, the only way one could have been an Objectivist already would be through prior familiarity with her work so why would her prior work have sold well? Either, it’s that her arguments resonated with a lot of people or it’s that her stories did. If it’s the former then that raises the question of how her arguments were able to resonate with so many people given that they’re not very good arguments. If it’s the latter, that raises the question what did she do in her stories which led to them resonating with as many people as they did?
@Elslein
@Elslein Месяц назад
You talk more about movies than books…
@vinnieandhispizza6299
@vinnieandhispizza6299 Месяц назад
Movies are generally more well known and consumed, so they make easy examples.
@Elslein
@Elslein Месяц назад
@@vinnieandhispizza6299 I agree, but it’s a different medium.
@Starburst514
@Starburst514 Месяц назад
Actually he doesn't? Have you seen his other videos? He talks a lot about books, even has a video about studying books over movies. Using movies as examples isn't bad In fact they say studying scripts helps novel writing with descriptions and dialogue
@mischarowe
@mischarowe 26 дней назад
You reach a larger audience when you use a visual medium to communicate what you mean. And he's more likely to spoil books - with a reader/writer audience - than to spoil things from movies.
@ethanotoroculus1060
@ethanotoroculus1060 2 месяца назад
This video isn't bad but it's kinda basic. Most of this is stuff we've already heard and not very comprehensive. It is fine advice though I guess.
@Starburst514
@Starburst514 Месяц назад
Then why comment?
@ethanotoroculus1060
@ethanotoroculus1060 Месяц назад
@@Starburst514 Because I value giving feedback and I should hope the uploader values receiving it?
@mischarowe
@mischarowe 26 дней назад
I don't think it's meant to be comprehensive. Otherwise he'd have said so.
@shootingstars6762
@shootingstars6762 19 дней назад
I think sometimes people need reminders or need it put into words. It depends on who you are. Maybe this advice just isn't for you.
@mischarowe
@mischarowe 19 дней назад
@@shootingstars6762 True. And there are many who are just beginning, so this kind of video format will help them.
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